WWI Digest 2518 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: How Bad is it??? by "P. Howard" 2) Re: Words of encouragement for the new modeler. by Otisgood@aol.com 3) Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit by Otisgood@aol.com 4) Re: Aeroclub Accessories by MAnde72343@aol.com 5) RE: Words of encouragement for the new modeler. by "John Glaser" 6) Re: Cookbook by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: Words of encouragement for the new modeler. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 8) Re: How Bad is it??? by MAnde72343@aol.com 9) Interesting OT book by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) RE: Interesting OT book by Shane Weier 11) Datafile List? by "Dale Beamish" 12) RE: Datafile List? by "John Glaser" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:25:28 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: How Bad is it??? Message-ID: <001301bfff4d$974af560$829d8ece@phoward> John, I have pictures and comments on corrections made on the Glencoe DIII in the gallery on the WWI pictures page. The comments are brief, but might give you a hint of what you have in store. It was done before the was an Eduard Albatros of any kind. Paul H -----Original Message----- From: pugs99@att.net To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, August 05, 2000 7:54 PM Subject: How Bad is it??? >Hi All, >I have read with interest the comments about the Glencoe >D-III. Bear in mind that I am a masochist when it comes >to models, what exactly does it need for correction? I >was going to dig it out(a project unto itself!!!) and >compare it to the Eduard kit, which appears to be the >standard. I have 2 of those, earmarked for other >projects and wanted to use the Glencoe kit to make a D-II >using the Passchandaele conversion kit. Any comments are >appreciated > >John > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:27:09 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Words of encouragement for the new modeler. Message-ID: In a message dated 8/5/00 6:18:50 PM Central Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > Ahh, there's nothing like the comfort and hospitality extended by > Southerners! :-) > > TC Ya'll come on down! Actually, Tom, I went to San Fran a few months ago and had one of the nicest visits anywhere I've ever had. Got a real dose of California hospitality and I was most impressed. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:29:15 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit Message-ID: <66.63e7cce.26be277b@aol.com> In a message dated 8/5/00 6:25:21 PM Central Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > BTW - for those looking at Glencoe kits, allow me to *recommend* the SPAD > XIII. I wish they had done the "American Aces" as well, but the "French > Aces" is a good one. I second that recommendation. I built this kit and gave it to a friend and I was surprised at what a nice model it builds into. The decals are awesome. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:15:27 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aeroclub Accessories Message-ID: <66.63e655b.26be324f@aol.com> Simply: good to excellent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:13:08 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Words of encouragement for the new modeler. Message-ID: <000101bfff54$3f7262e0$8d00000a@jcgws> Anybody who was in Dallas for the Nats knows for certain what southern-fried hot truly is! - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of DAVID BURKE Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 12:43 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Words of encouragement for the new modeler. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 8:12 AM Subject: Re: Words of encouragement for the new modeler. > In a message dated 8/5/00 1:18:51 AM Central Daylight Time, > ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: > > > > *Especially* when it's 88F at 10:20p.m., with 91% humidity in Loz > Angeleeez. > > > > > I know it's all relative, but all I can say is, I grew up in the Mississippi > Delta. I know that's something most people wouldn't admit, but we do know > something about heat and humidity (especially humidity). So Tom, you ain't > (Mississippi word meaning "are not") gonna get much sympathy from someone who > once thought an 88/91 day was a crisp autumn afternoon just right for > football. Now get back in there and build some models! :-) > > Otis I hate to bust in on this, but as a prior resident of New Orleans, Mobile, Auburn, and now Birmingham, all I can say is that 88F at night with 91% humidity is a cool snap. Better bring your plants and pets indoors! DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:20:42 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cookbook Message-ID: In a message dated 8/5/00 7:20:57 PM EST, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Lozenge / rib tapes >> I have an article over at Modeling Madness I did about doing lozenge decals on a DML Fokker. I can volunteer the article to the cookbook. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:27:00 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Words of encouragement for the new modeler. Message-ID: In a message dated 8/5/00 9:30:06 PM EST, Otisgood@aol.com writes: << I went to San Fran a few months ago and had one of the nicest visits anywhere I've ever had. Got a real dose of California hospitality and I was most impressed. >> Well, things like that are bound to happen up in the Civilized Regions. Now if you'd come down here... Actually, if you - or any other Listee - does come to LA, see if you can't arrange the trip to include staying over at least the first Saturday of the month, and we'll get you out to Planes of Fame at Chino for the First Saturday show. Lots of ot there, but also several OT, and more being restored, and there is always the Hanriot H.D.1 Nungesser flew for the show in the 1925 Air Races at Mines Field, plus the RK "Rickenbacker's Return" diorama, the 1/32 Gotha, etc., etc. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:38:03 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How Bad is it??? Message-ID: <46.8e5c4a5.26be379b@aol.com> The front and rear of the fuselage are "wrong," the overextended rear can be cut off, but the front has to be re shaped. The wings are actually pretty good, the landing gear struts are all wrong on shape and detail, and should be scratched. The cabane and interplane struts are 'ok', once sanded down to closer shape and thickness. The engine either has to be replaced (Aeroclub) or scratched, the Toms Modelworks DV PE set and or the Eduard DIII set are needed for surface detail and you have to scratch the cockpit. The guns, same as the engine. The wheels are ok, but replace the prop, it's fair, but is of an odd design. (I nearly had mine built about four years ago, but abandoned it when Eduard announced their kit was coming) Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 02:16:09 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Interesting OT book Message-ID: Back in the late 80s, I used to visit library used-book sales, and pick up some real bargains. The other week I was digging through a box of books and found one I bought back then and then never read...good I waited till now, when it would have some real meaning. The book is: "Wooden Crates and Gallant Pilots," by Stuart E. Elliott, published in 1974 by Dorrance &. Co. Philadelphia. I include that information, because you might want to look at Amazon.com or some other location of out-of-print books, to get your copy. This is a particularly good OT book because it isn't about air battles over the front (though the author experienced those and recounts them). It's about being a WW1 pilot in the U.S. Air Service on a day-to-day basis, where dealing with a bureaucracy that was convinced a candidate pilot should wear spurs and know the saber manual of arms as part of ground training to climb aboard a Jenny was often more immediately important than a Hun on your tail. About how the Spanish Influenza reduced an Army camp to a village of the middle ages in the midst of the Black Death in a day. (He lost as many friends to the influenza as to combat.) Stuart E. Elliott was Quentin Roosevelt's first cousin, and decided to become an aviator as an reasonable alternative to a graduate final examination at MIT in "thermogoddamics" in May 1917 (anyone who's been forced to examine that part of physics, no matter how shallowly, knows *exactly* what he means by that term). His account of training in Texas, journeying to Europe, undergoing further training at Issoudun, and four and a half months at the front as a pilot of a SPAD XIII in the 13th Aero Squadron, 2nd Pursuit Group, during the battle of the Meuse-Argonne really answers questions about what it was like to be there, though he considers "The Battle of Paris," a particularly memorable 7-day leave after surviving Issoudun, worthy of a longer chapter than his account of Meuse-Argonne (Thank goodness! I've read entire books about Meuse-Argonne!). As he is clear to point out, he did face combat, was involved in several aerial fights, considered himself lucky to escape the Fokkers, and "contributed nothing memorable" to the outcome of the war besides his presence. (I can already see Weier querying Amazon for this, given his penchant for the anonymous aviator :-)). For all of the anonymity, a quick check of the Daedalians reveals that Stuart Elliott might not have been an ace, but he was an active pilot almost to his death in 1982 (damn, I wish I could have had a martini with him and listened to this first-hand in the 70s, he was in San Francisco too then), and quite actively involved in the development of aviation here in America, but again - as he would put it - in a "non-memorable manner." His opening account of a very adventurous drive from NY to Boston to enlist is funny as hell. If you want a feeling for what kind of guy he was, here is a good quote: "My car, the pride and joy of my life, was a secondhand 1913 National, an open roadster with two bucket seats, a brass, deep-honking French horn operated with a rubber squeezer, and one of the first lefthand drives in America. It had a big four cylinder engine that could hurtle it eighty miles an hour on a long straightaway, and it had an electrical starter, one of the earliest ever manufactured. As to the starter, it could and did work intermittently, but there was also a hand crank that always worked, come rain or shine, or frost or gloom of night, come even hell or high water, provided one had patience, control of temper, know-how, cunning, courage, caution, a squirtcan of gas to prime the pet cocks of the cylinders, and above all plenty of muscle and unlimited endurance. Despite starting troubles, my car was faster and more powerful than most cars of those days, and it was rakish and poetically disreputable looking like a fast, rake-masted pirate schooner of the early nineteenth century. It was no sober, hard-working married man's car with conforming respectability written all over it, but one for adventure and excitement, a bus that made one feel like a mixture of Lord Byron and D'Artagnan. It was a car for a rebel, a questioner of customs and authority, and in some ways it was symbolic of the way of thinking of most World War I military aviators, a dreadful group of heretics in the eyes of most of the old and holy regular army." He recounts shortly thereafter that "seventy miles outside of the biggest metropolis in North America, I had been reduced to four steel rims and a maximum speed of 15 miles an hour" on his trip to Boston via the Boston Post Road ("a paved stagecoach path"). The description of the car was when I knew I was reading a book by a kindred spirit. Overall the book is very funny in a very polite way, something you don't associate with a book published in 1974, but do associate with someone who was 22 in 1917. I would put it up there with Edwards Parks' book "No, No, Nanette" as a really truthful account of what it was *really* like to be a fighter pilot. (For those who don't know the Parks book, it's the story of a fighter pilot who wasn't that anxious to take his P-39 to 20,000' over Port Moresby to fight Zeros, but who did so as best he could anyway in 1942. Parks was later Curator of the Smithsonian when they finally created the NASM, which was what got him remembering the irascible P-39 named for the lady he later married.) Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:32:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Interesting OT book Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D47A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom says: > considered himself lucky to > escape the Fokkers, and "contributed nothing memorable" to > the outcome of the > war besides his presence. (I can already see Weier querying > Amazon for this, > given his penchant for the anonymous aviator :-)). Ah hah! You got me right between the eyes. FWIW I have long felt that we should more highly value the aviators who returned from every mission with a brick in their pants but flew the next one as well, who were less likely to down an enemy aircraft by design than by accident, and whose presence at the front seems at this distance to have been more as fodder to the aces than active participants. They must - by the numbers alone - have outnumbered the "successfull" fighter pilots by a factor of ten. However I reckon they had value by their presence alone - because at a distance who can tell whether a group of aircraft are piloted by aces or apprentices, and because if a pilot on one side is a barely competent journeyman even the poorest pilot on the other side would give second thoughts about pressing an attack or recce home. And finally, if I had my choice of heroes, the bravest are those *not* possessed of talent, not born fearless, not skilled and well armed and well supported but those who flew the lines in fear, alone, in inferior aircraft and with barely adequate training - and yet knowing just how bad the odds, kept returning and returning to their task. \Soapbox Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:35:26 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Datafile List? Message-ID: <001101bfffa2$d0a01480$bf37b8a1@darcy> Does anyone have a master list of the Datafiles 1 - newest? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 08:24:20 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Datafile List? Message-ID: <000201bfffa9$a19a8ec0$8d00000a@jcgws> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BFFF7F.B8C486C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List attached. - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Dale Beamish Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 7:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Datafile List? Does anyone have a master list of the Datafiles 1 - newest? Dale ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01BFFF7F.B8C486C0 Content-Type: text/html; name="Datafiles.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Datafiles.htm" Datafile List
D/F No. Title
1 Albatros DIII
2 Sopwith Pup
3 Albatros DV
4 Bristol Fighter
5 Fokker Triplane
6 Sopwith 2F1 Camel
7 Pfalz DIII
8 Spad 7.C1
9 Fokker D.VII
10 SE5a
11 Albatros DII
12 Hanroit HD.1
13 Albatros C.III
14 RAF BE2e
15 Fokker E.III
16 Morane Saulnier Type = L
17 LVG C.VI
18 RAF FE2b
19 Albatros D.III (OEF)
20 Nieuport 17
21 Pfalz DIIIa
22 Sopwith Triplane
23 Hannover CL.III
24 RAF RE8
25 Fokker D.VIII
26 Sopwith Camel
27 Halberstadt CL.II
28 AVRO 504K
29 SSW D.III-D.IV
30 SE5
31 Phonix D.I-II
32 SPAD 13C.1
33 Junkers D.I
34 Sopwith 1 1/2 = Strutter
35 Rumpler C.IV
36 Nieuport 28
37 Roland D.VI
38 Airco DH10
39 Junkers J.1
40 Ansaldo SVA5
41 Pfalz D.XII
42 RAF BE2C
43 Halberstadt CI.IV
44 Bristol Scouts
45 Aviatik D.I
46 Sopwith Snipe
47 LFG Roland D.II
48 Airco DH2
49 LFG Roland C.II
50 Airco DH5
51 AEG G.IV
52 Bristol M.1
53 DFW C.V
54 Sopwith Dolphin
55 Brandenburg W29
56 Vickers FB5
57 Albatros C.I
58 Morane Saulnier = N/I/V
59 Pfalz E.I-E.VI
60 Sopwith Baby
61 Brandenburg W.12
62 RAF RE5/7
63 Aviatik C.I
64 AW FK.8
65 Fdh G.III ~ IIIa
66 RAF BE12/a/b
67 AEG C.IV
68 Nieuport 10 ~ 12
69 Halberstadt C.V
70 Martinsyde Elephant
71 LVG C.V
72 DH-9
73 FF 33E
74 RAF FE8
75 AGO C.II
76 Martinsyde F.4
77 Albatros C.VII
78 Caproni Ca.3
79 Rumpler C.1
80 Sopwith 1 1/2 = Strutter
81 Albatros C.V
Specials:
Albatros = Experimentals
Albatros Fighters
Best of Windsock #2
Bristol Fighter Vol = 1
Bristol Fighter Vol = 2
Fabric Special - Brit = Colours
Fabric Special - = Richthofen
Fokker D.I - D.IV
Fokker Dr 1
Fokker DVII pt 1
Fokker D.VII pt 2
Fokker Fighters D.I - = IV
Gotha!
Halberstadt Fighters
Nieuport Fighters Vol = 1
Nieuport Fighters Vol = 2
SE5a
Sopwith Pup
Vickers Vimy
WW1 Warplanes Vol 1
WW1 Warplanes Vol 2
WW1 Propellers
Sikorsky Muromets
Mini = Datafiles
1 Albatros W4
2 PKZ2
3 Lewis Guns
4 SPAD A2/A4
5 Morane-Saulnier Type = A1
6 Vickers Guns
7 Fokker E.IV
8 Martin Kitten
9 Sopwith Tabloid
10 Spandau Guns
11 Fokker D.V
12 Dornier D.1
13 AW FK3
14 Rumpler D.1
Other
Richtohfen!
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