WWI Digest 2513 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Work Benches by "Lance Krieg" 2) Goin' on Holidays by "Graham Hunter" 3) Re: Work Benches by "Matt Bittner" 4) Re: Work Benches by "Lance Krieg" 5) Re: Work Benches by Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com 6) Re: Work Benches by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit by Albatrosdv@aol.com 8) Re: Newbie cry for help by Dennis Ugulano 9) Re: Searching for Kits by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Passchendaele 1-48 Halberstadt D.III by "Dale Beamish" 11) Re: Kit Recommendations by Albatrosdv@aol.com 12) Re: Work Benches by Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com 13) Re: New images by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: New images for Otis by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 15) Replicating plywood paneling by WStew10180@aol.com 16) RE: New images by "dfernet0" 17) EBAy 1/8 Fokker by "Dale Beamish" 18) Re: New images by "Matt Bittner" 19) Re: New images by "Limon3" 20) Re: Searching for Kits by "Nigel Rayner" 21) New Images by MAnde72343@aol.com 22) Re: Replicating plywood paneling by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 23) Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help by "Michael Kendix" 24) Re: Searching for Kits by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Kit Recommendations by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: Work Benches by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Searching for Kits by "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." 29) Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help by MAnde72343@aol.com 30) Re: It's done by "Bob Pearson" 31) Re: Newbie cry for help by "Nigel Rayner" 32) Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help by "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." 33) Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help by "Matt Bittner" 34) Re: Searching for Kits by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:13:31 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Work Benches Message-ID: I'm still evolving the "perfect" bench. Since I propose to die in my current house, I am building for the ages. My latest innovation is a set of rolling shelves that trundle, cart-like, to the side of the desk for airbrushing station, drill press and machining operations, or computer use, depending upon the immediate need. I've been working on this for the last two summers (I do everything slowly), and hope to finish this fall. I'll post pictures when I'm done, but it is going to be so cool I'm afraid that list members will arrive and try to take it away from me. I got a big wood and glass display case from a hobby shop over twenty years ago, that has moved with me from one marriage to another. It houses the finished models, well away from airbrushes, dust, or grubby little fingers. It is a huge eyesore that all wives have detested and tried to separate from me, but I have persevered. When I die I will leave it to Matt Bittner, because it would hold an entire airfleet in 1/72nd, or even a couple of Zeppelin-Staakens. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:18:49 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: Goin' on Holidays Message-ID: <000001bffe27$4b643020$fa0101c0@grahamh> I will be unsubbing later today as I start my holidays. I will be off for a week. Regards, Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:16:17 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Work Benches Message-ID: <200008041518.IAA25513@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:18:59 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote: > (I do everything slowly) That's what happens when you live in Des Moines, IA! ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:33:47 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Work Benches Message-ID: Matt chimes in: "That's what happens when you live in Des Moines, IA! " Okay, smartass, I'm leaving my display case to Dennis Ugulano, whose got a collection large enough to be worthy of it. Of course, his wife will try to stop him... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:23:16 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Work Benches Message-ID: Hey Matt, Those who live in glass houses... Later! Brent "Matt Bittner" @pease1.sr.unh.edu on 08/04/2000 10:22:08 AM Please respond to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Sent by: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu To: Multiple recipients of list cc: Subject: Re: Work Benches On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:18:59 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote: > (I do everything slowly) That's what happens when you live in Des Moines, IA! ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:42:12 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Work Benches Message-ID: <200008041547.IAA24436@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:41:22 -0400 (EDT), Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > Those who live in glass houses... Hey, I already put my stint in at Des Moines. Done my duty, so to speak. How about you? ;-) :-P Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:50:13 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/00 2:26:19 AM EST, witulski@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl writes: << I have to agree with you Tom. This is very nice resin kit. And IM review would be very helpful, especialy detailing of Argus. I havn't built this kit yet but I'm gald that I bought it. Only one thing which needs corecting are struts. I'll use bamboo (never done it before) or use Aeroclub aerofoil struts set to make them for my Halb. May be I try to convert this one to MvR D.II? >> I'm sure Bob Pearson can post the specific URL for the IM article. Steve Perry answered all the questions anyone could have - and the ones no one else would think to ask - about detailing the engine and doing bamboo struts in his January 2000 artice at Internet Modeler. Cheers, TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:55:01 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Newbie cry for help Message-ID: <200008041155_MC2-AEA4-44FA@compuserve.com> John, >> That's just for us anal types. ;-) Build something out of the box, and be done with it. << I absolutely agree with Matt here. The D.VII or the Dr1 Triplane by Revell are excellent starter kits. Neither have enough rigging to scare anyone and the results are rewarding. Ease into WW1 with kits that will not give you sticker shock or are so difficult that it will discourage you. The motto of the group is Dicta Ira or Have Fun. As far as questions, in the year and a half that I've been here, I haven't seen a question go unanswered or anyone laughed off the forum. Enjoy yourself here. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 8/2/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:59 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Searching for Kits Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/00 6:39:38 AM EST, jernst@delucahomes.com writes: << First, let me thank everyone that has made this "newbee" feel welcome.It is somewhat intimidating to open the door to a club where everyone seems to be an expert, and you are asking directions on really basic stuff. Thanks also for the various kit recommendations. Everybody here is expert on something, and "basic" (relatively speaking) on other things. The good thing is, unlike some clubs, we all admit it. So I go down to my local hobby store (Penn Valley Hobby center, for those keeping score at home), armed with my list of recommended kits. Here I thought that they had alot of kits. THey do, just not the ones I'm looking for. Most of the Eduard kits are 1/48. The only 1/72 kits, with a decent selection, were Toko - I've heard of them , but don't know much about them. Also, I can't get over the price of kits. The Eduard 1/48 stuff is around $22.- $28. Whoa! I might start w/ the 1/72 stuff just for economics. I did find the Revell 1/72 D.VII, for less than $5. >> You have been gone for a long time, haven't you? :-) Once you get past the sticker shock, and do some elementary arithmetic calculations to factor in inflation for the years you have been out of the hobby, you'll discover these prices are not that far out of line - relatively speaking - and when you factor in the quality content of the Eduard kits they are a positive bargain. The entire hobby, not just WW1 kits, is vastly different than you remember. Kits aren't made for kids anymore, because most kids don't have anything to do with them anymore (and for the rest of you - I am *not* starting another "is the hobby dying?" thread here, OK?). The majority of active modelers are adults with adult skill levels and adult income levels, both of which are reflected in the products available. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:04:30 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Passchendaele 1-48 Halberstadt D.III Message-ID: <010401bffe2d$bbb2bda0$e537b8a1@darcy> Try this for the Halberstadt Dale http://internetmodeler.com/jan2000/aviation/halberstadt.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:07:16 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations Message-ID: <30.888862f.26bc4434@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/00 7:22:25 AM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << I look at not only Alberto's and Hustad's stuff, but also Lance's stuff and realise I have a long ways to go before I'm as good as those individiuals. >> Actually, if you want to get inspired, you can pretty much start at "A" and go to "Z" in the Model Gallery up on the site, and look at what everyone does here. Since he hasn't sent anything in for the site, I'd also include Robert Karr's site, so you can see the famous scratchbuilt 1/32 Gotha and 1/48 Handley-Page O/400 and have a *real* "Whooaaaaaa!" response. (RK's site: http://members.aol.com/karrart/index.html) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:10:54 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Work Benches Message-ID: Howdy! >> Those who live in glass houses... >Hey, I already put my stint in at Des Moines. Done my duty, so to speak. How about you? ;-) :-P I have you beat. I did my stint in Cedar Rapids. So THERE!!! Locals descibed Cedar Rapids to me as "Just as cold as Des Moines, but without all the excitement." Someday I'll regale you all with tales of boredom from Cedar Rapids, IA. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:25:55 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <60.5acd8c3.26bc4893@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/00 8:27:13 AM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << just uploaded 9 new images of Otis Goodin's new SSW D.III. Well done, Otis! >> Matt: I just went to take a look, and the newest model on Otis' pages was his D.VII (if the rest haven't seen that, go look - it's great!). I did a re-load of the page, and still didn't see the SSW D.III - is there a problem?? TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:36:41 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images for Otis Message-ID: Matt, Correct the link - you end up on his "real" photos, not the model page. Otis I hope my SS D.III turns out half as nice. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:37:12 EDT From: WStew10180@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Replicating plywood paneling Message-ID: <66.6332054.26bc4b38@aol.com> Dear Gang, I'm new to the "list" and am delighted at all the info available. I'm wondering what is the best way to simulate wood paneling on my Eduard Albatros DVa? Also, am I the only one bothered by those big panel lines on the same? Yours, Bill Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:32:28 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: New images Message-ID: <016101bffe31$97bc0ec0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Tom: Try http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Goodin/CP/SSW_DIII.html and enjoy! Gee, I wish i could do such a good job on the dark wooden fuselage of my Albatros! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:31 PM Subject: Re: New images > In a message dated 8/4/00 8:27:13 AM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > > << just uploaded 9 new images of Otis Goodin's new SSW D.III. Well > done, Otis! > >> > > Matt: > > I just went to take a look, and the newest model on Otis' pages was his D.VII > (if the rest haven't seen that, go look - it's great!). I did a re-load of > the page, and still didn't see the SSW D.III - is there a problem?? > > TC > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:37:54 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: EBAy 1/8 Fokker Message-ID: <012001bffe32$59f03e80$e537b8a1@darcy> Is anyone bidding on this? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:51:55 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <200008041653.JAA01419@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:31:19 -0400 (EDT), Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > I just went to take a look, and the newest model on Otis' pages was his D.VII > (if the rest haven't seen that, go look - it's great!). I did a re-load of > the page, and still didn't see the SSW D.III - is there a problem?? Works for me. Flush your memory and disk cache's, and try again. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:21:28 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <000a01bffe38$6dc4c920$24bf113f@f4w2s5> Worked for me too. Hey Otis, super job on the SSW, I sure couldn't do that model justice, and believe me, I tried! Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: Re: New images >On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:31:19 -0400 (EDT), Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > >> I just went to take a look, and the newest model on Otis' pages was his D.VII >> (if the rest haven't seen that, go look - it's great!). I did a re-load of >> the page, and still didn't see the SSW D.III - is there a problem?? > >Works for me. Flush your memory and disk cache's, and try again. > > >Matt Bittner >WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:27:56 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Searching for Kits Message-ID: <000801bffe39$549c8cc0$4746883e@w1o0t3> John wrote: >Is there sosmewhere on the net that can give me some more basics about >glues, fillers, paints, techniques, etc... Try www.ipmsusa.org, the IPMS USA howmpage - quite a lot of hints and links there. The best site I found was the rec.scale.models faq, but it doesn't seem to be available anymore - anyone got any ideas? >I assume my days of spraying 1/2 >can of testor's cherry red on a Dr.1 have come to a crashing halt. I guess >I'll need to invest in an airbrush. Noo. Airbrushes are the work of the devil, polluting the world with noxious substances and causing death, mayhem and general destruction wherever they are used. Now, I may be overstating things, but I don't use an airbrush. Never had the money to afford one when I was younger and don't propose to start now I can afford one. If you know how to use them, then fine, but if you don't, I wouldn't bother. They're complicated and messy, and if you're like me and only have very limited modelling time, just not practical. Be a real man - use brushes!!!! Putting on my reasonable face (and attempting to avoid some of the flamers), I'd say an airbrush is probably useful in 1/48 and desirable in larger scales, where brushmarks might show up more. But if you work in 1/72, you will find deft brushwork works fine. And remember, very few sprayed finishes in WWI (but there are some, which can be emulated through brushwork). Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:22:06 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New Images Message-ID: Otis does it again, makes the rest of feel pretty humble. Nice job! Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:31:16 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Replicating plywood paneling Message-ID: Bill, Look at the "Great Albatros Cook-up" site and there is a ton of info to help you. The second URL leads to paneling "HOW-TOs" http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/OTprojects/index.html http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/OTprojects/kittech_woodgrain.html Also reviews on Internet Modeller and Modelling Madness have shown plywood tips. Are you working in 1/72 or 1/48? And when you get done, you can join the others on the page (I will too if I get my fingers to cooperate with the models...) Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:30:39 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help Message-ID: >From: "Nigel Rayner" > >OK the DVII is relatively accurate, but it needs sanding, the struts >are >too thick, the guns are crap, there's no interior detail etc etc. >And the >Eduard non-Profipack version is really good value for money. >Also, there's >no lozenge to deal with. > ... >A clunker. Good basic kit, but by the time you've added aftermarket > >decals, decent guns and some aftermarket interior parts, you're >looking >at more than five bucks! You'll have to fill the sink holes, >sand the ribs >down, replace the struts and scratchbuild some interior >parts to get a >decent looking kit. Nigel: Can't say that I disagree with the substance of anything you say here but for me, the upside to the Revell Fokker D.VII kit is that it can be built as a simple first kit, without spending any money on after market stuff, or you can go to the limit. The only "extras" required for building this kit are paints, glue, sanding paper/sticks and filler (Squadron White). The pilot that comes with the kit is nice enough and can be painted up. I know it's not in vogue to do pilots but that doesn't stop the likes of Robert Karr with his E.V. The guns are not terrible nor are the struts, and all the struts fit. The top wing is easy to glue on because of the "N" struts. There are some non-lozenge schemes so you don't have to buy after market decals. If you want to do lozenge, and you really don't want to buy them, the kit contains blank lozenge hexagon decals that you can colour in to your own taste. Rigging is minimal to the extent that it won't be missed by those who know little about WWI (just do the cross wires between the landing gear struts). The Eduard D.V/D.Va kits are everything you say but the rigging is necessary to make it look authentic. The interplane rigging is non-trivial and, as with most kits, is a basic pain in the neck to be minimized in the case of first time builders. Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:40:18 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Searching for Kits Message-ID: <22.974383e.26bc5a02@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/00 5:51:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jernst@delucahomes.com writes: << I think I'll fit in just fine. As an architect, my life is filled with worrying about details - some more anal than others. Is there sosmewhere on the net that can give me some more basics about glues, fillers, paints, techniques, etc... I assume my days of spraying 1/2 can of testor's cherry red on a Dr.1 have come to a crashing halt. I guess I'll need to invest in an airbrush. john >> A belated welcome John, and Dale, and anyone else that has joined lately. AND, if spraying half a can of cherry red on a Triplane makes you happy- go for it! Anal is as anal does! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:40:19 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations Message-ID: <76.1cca65f.26bc5a03@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/00 5:22:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << don't build 1/72nd because we're lazy. Just the opposite, actually. Most of the new 1/48th kits come decked out with everything. >> Kits? What are "kits"? RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:40:20 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit Message-ID: <30.888bfb2.26bc5a04@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/00 3:26:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Tom: Robert the K once recommended me to check the tailskid arrangement on the pictures of the datafile and not those on the Stairs drawings, since they're different. HTH D. >> I had forgotten about that! The Halb tailskid arrangement was like the early Fokkers- an inverted pyramid thingy. I guess Stair just had a brain belch on the drawings. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:40:16 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Work Benches Message-ID: <10.7f74d9.26bc5a00@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/00 7:40:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, albatros1212@altavista.com writes: << I've noticed that we seem to have quite a few profesionals in the group. Seems like a pretty great job - but doesn't it sometimes wreck it for you. I made a 1/48 Apache for work once - it was still a lot of fun to make, but it broke my heart to part with it in the end. >> I guess building to another person's specs for money makes one a professional, at least sometime. I don't do much of it, and when I do, I'm usually so sick of the project that I can't wait to see it leave the house! This kind of work does sometimes eat into the inspiration required for one's own model building. After I come off a binge of commission work, about the last thing I want to do is build anything....then that ol' urge starts, and I get to make something I want! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:40:40 -0400 From: "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Searching for Kits Message-ID: <398B0018.DE4B4DE8@delucahomes.com> Nigel Rayner wrote: > But if you work in 1/72, you will find deft brushwork works fine. Boy, am I glad to hear that. I really don't have the room, or the ventilation to be spraying alot of stuff in the air(my family is allergic to many of the fumes I've experimented with. I had to switch to glue stick instaed of "dope" to apply tissue to my balsa planes). Not to mention the sudden outlay of cash to get back into the hobby. I'm hoping to purchase equipment on an selective basis. This is alot easier to explain, and helps to keep my wife happy.I'm sure we've all been there in some way or another. john ernst ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:45:23 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help Message-ID: <15.785c2b9.26bc5b33@aol.com> Hooray for Mike K! Model snobbery (which bites me on occasion) is most unbecoming, Nigel& etc. The Revell kits are OK, especially for their 'time,' over 30 years ago. (I built them all when I was in junior high) OK, not as good as some, but better than most Airsucks, and easier to build than Toko/Roden. As to the DVII, no less a modeler than Steve Hustad stated that it's an adequate start point, and doesn't need to be totally re done. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:26:37 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: It's done Message-ID: <200008041757.KAA19187@mail.rapidnet.net> > The Datafile is the Felixstowe F.2A and the front cover is the red > and white dazzle color scheme. I went and stroked my Aeroclub vac of the > kit. I'm weakening. Someone help me. Heavens no .. of the three Felixstowe kits that is far and away the best . .. go for it .. I can't wait to see it done Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:58:32 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Newbie cry for help Message-ID: <000d01bffe3d$9b04b3a0$4746883e@w1o0t3> Matt wrote: >I will have to disagree with Nigel here. Since the guy is new, he >would not have to replace everything. That's just for us anal types. >;-) Afraid I have to disagree with Matt's disagreement. As someone that was brought back to modelling and lured into WWI by the list, it's not just anal types that would want to do this. The trouble I had was that the standard of the models in the gallery is so high, when I started I wanted to build something that wasn't too far off that standard. To me there would be nothing more dispiriting than building something didn't look halfway decent when compared to the rest of the models in the gallery. The problem is that an OOB DVII will not come near the standard of most of the models in the gallery (remember, there's not even a seat in it!), and could put a damper on that keen new spirit. >Build something out of the box, and be done with it. Agree totally. An Eduard DV/DVa is just the thing for that. Can you imagine a more depressing start to your first model - first, fill the sink holes. Second, sand off the bogus fabric weave? With the good old Eddie, you just cut the bits off the sprue and start building. Actually, it nearly does that by itself - you virtually have to hold the damn thing down in the box. >While you'll still have to remove the molding problems (dimples, etc.) the D.VII >still has a lot less rigging than the D.V. Agree, the rigging *is* a challenge. But I actually found that less difficult than I thought it would be, and an Albatros is not too complicated (it was the first model I tried). Remember, rigging is part of WWI modelling. It depends on John's skill level - if you haven't done a lot of model correcting (filling holes, sanding etc) the DVII will be tough. You don't need to do any of that with the Eduard. And if you really don't want to do much rigging, try the Eduard 1/72 Triplane (although I haven't built that., so I am guessing it's easy.....). John, here's the solution. Buy a DVII to practice a bit of gluing and painting (brushes, of course ;-)). Then build an Eduard DV/DVa!! Whatever you do, remember the key phrase - Dicta Ira (an ex-list member who always said "have fun" - that's what it's all about). Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:02:14 -0400 From: "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help Message-ID: <398B0526.F01709CD@delucahomes.com> > > paints which kind, brand? > glue I see various references to cya (i think) > filler (Squadron White) is this a brand name, or color? I've already got the the WSDF, and the bi-focals. I think I'm set. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:09:25 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help Message-ID: <200008041811.LAA14793@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:08:31 -0400 (EDT), John J. Ernst, A.I.A. wrote: > which kind, brand? Depends! Do you want acrylics or enamels? On the acrylic side you have Polly Scale, and the newest, MisterKit which makes lines of WW1 paints. > I see various references to cya (i think) CA is superglue and the like. Don't remember what CA stands for, though, and probably would mis-spell it if I remembered. :-) Also look to "liquid cement" like Weld-On, or Temeks (?) which is used for plastic only. White glue - believe it or not - can also still be used for certain things, like attaching real-wire rigging. > > filler (Squadron White) > > is this a brand name, or color? Yes; it's a brand name and a color. The white is a very fine putty. There's also Squadron Green, and Dr. Microtools. Personally I use 3M acryl, which is an auto-body filler. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:59:09 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Searching for Kits Message-ID: <009101bffe40$30750280$e283aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Searching for Kits > In a message dated 8/4/00 6:39:38 AM EST, jernst@delucahomes.com writes: > > << First, let me thank everyone that has made this > "newbee" feel welcome.It is somewhat intimidating > to open the door to a club where everyone seems to > be an expert, and you are asking directions on > really basic stuff Well, we're all experts on different things. Personally, I'm an expert at making an ass of myself. > > Everybody here is expert on something, and "basic" (relatively speaking) on > other things. The good thing is, unlike some clubs, we all admit it. > Well, not ALL of the time.... ;-) > So I go down to my local hobby store (Penn Valley > Hobby center, for those keeping score at home), > armed with my list of recommended kits. Here I > thought that they had alot of kits. THey do, just > not the ones I'm looking for. Most of the Eduard > kits are 1/48. The only 1/72 kits, with a decent > selection, were Toko - I've heard of them , but > don't know much about them. You like 1/72 and are a 'newbie'? Try the Eduard Albatrod D.Va in 1/72, and if your store can't get 'em, I can tell you where you can! Also, I can't get over > the price of kits. The Eduard 1/48 stuff is around > $22.- $28. Whoa! I might start w/ the 1/72 stuff > just for economics. I did find the Revell 1/72 > D.VII, for less than $5. > >> Gotta agree with you there, and as a primarily 1/72 builder, I can sympathise. Of course, you COULD get the 1/28 Revell kits, especially the Fokker Dr.1. Cheap, easy to build, and apart from some inaccuracies, a fun model to build! > > Once you get past the sticker shock, and do some elementary arithmetic > calculations to factor in inflation for the years you have been out of the > hobby, you'll discover these prices are not that far out of line - relatively > speaking - and when you factor in the quality content of the Eduard kits they > are a positive bargain. The entire hobby, not just WW1 kits, is vastly > different than you remember. Kits aren't made for kids anymore, because most > kids don't have anything to do with them anymore (and for the rest of you - I > am *not* starting another "is the hobby dying?" thread here, OK?). The > majority of active modelers are adults with adult skill levels and adult > income levels, both of which are reflected in the products available. > The hobby WILL die out unless we can get more Junior modelers into it. But TC is correct in his statement that the expensive stuff is aimed at us esoteric types who just HAVE to have EVERY sub-type of Albatros, and preferably model every damned one that was ever made! DB ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2513 **********************