WWI Digest 2512

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
  2) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
  3) Re: Searching for Kits
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  4) Re: Searching for Kits
	by "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." <jernst@delucahomes.com>
  5) Re: Searching for Kits
	by Allan Wright <aew>
  6) Re: Work Benches
	by Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
  7) It's done
	by Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
  8) Re: It's done
	by "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." <jernst@delucahomes.com>
  9) Re: Work Benches
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 10) New images
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 11) Re: New Guy
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 12) Re: New Guy
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 13) Re: AWRIGHT! Where are the Mercedes Refs?
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 14) Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 15) Re: It's done (where to get Windsock)
	by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu
 16) Re: Newbie cry for help
	by "Nigel Rayner" <nigel@rosnar.freeserve.co.uk>
 17) ebay question
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 18) Re: Newbie cry for help
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 19) RE: A-H Albatros help needed
	by "Anderson, Chris C" <CCAnders@exchangegateway.tmp.com>
 20) Jenny Kit 1:16
	by BEN8800@aol.com
 21) Re: Work Benches
	by Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
 22) Re: A-H Albatros help needed
	by "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
 23) Re: ebay question
	by smperry@mindspring.com
 24) Re: A-H Albatros help needed
	by smperry@mindspring.com
 25) Thanks to all
	by "Dale Sebring" <alleluja@ida.net>
 26) Re: Thanks to all
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 27) Re: Thanks to all
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:25:29 -0600
From: "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <003501bffe0f$15cec460$e537b8a1@darcy>

He's starting to give in!
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Bittner <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: 04 August, 2000 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations


> On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:13:08 -0400 (EDT), Mike Kavanaugh wrote:
>
> > Hey Matt, take it easy on us old, "blind" types!  We do the best we
> > can.  I always figured that, except for the larger aircraft, e.g.,
> > bombers, transports, etc., certain insecure modelers chose 1/72 scale so
> > they wouldn't have to superdetail anything.  After all, there isn't
> > enough room is there?  Sorta like counting the number of angels dancing
> > on the head of a pin or something like that, isn't it?
>
> Well, just so you know, I have nothing against any scale when it comes
> to building WW1 models.  I just enjoy yanking the chains of those who
> build those scales that are larger than your fingers. ;-)
>
> As was mentioned earlier, look at Alberto's stuff.  Heck, look at
> Hustad's stuff, even though he doesn't supply images during build-up.
> I would like to think mine are detailed as well, so no, we don't build
> 1/72nd because we're lazy.  Just the opposite, actually.  Most of the
> new 1/48th kits come decked out with everything.  We have had to wait
> for the new Eduard releases (as well as the Hawkeye Dr.I) before us
> 1/72nd builders were able to get complete cockpits with the rest of the
> models.
>
> So please, don't be offended.  I look at not only Alberto's and
> Hustad's stuff, but also Lance's stuff and realise I have a long ways
> to go before I'm as good as those individiuals.  But I will always
> stick with 1/72nd.
>
>
> Matt Bittner
>
>
>


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:29:31 -0600
From: "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <003f01bffe0f$a62e9b20$e537b8a1@darcy>


> Well, just so you know, I have nothing against any scale when it comes
> to building WW1 models.  I just enjoy yanking the chains of those who
> build those scales that are larger than your fingers. ;-)

Seriously ... Matt is right. As we can see he has put down his sword and is
reaching out with an olive branch. Get Him!!
Dale


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:31:51 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Searching for Kits
Message-ID: <200008041233.FAA09528@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:42:07 -0400 (EDT), John J. Ernst, A.I.A. wrote:

> The Toko line had many  interesting kits. Are they
> worth beginning with? I would imagine that many
> people purchase kits via the net. Where are the
> best places to get kits on the web?

I'll echo E, by saying Toko is not a good first venture.  As E said,
the struts just don't cut it (now I have no idea about the D.VI nor the
Dr.I - until Marc and /or David S. can tell us otherwise, since they're
working on them now).  In addition, most have serious outline flaws -
some moreso than others.  So, start with the Revell D.VII.  Minimal
rigging, and once you take care of the mold problems (dimples, bogus
fabric effect, etc.) it really is a nice kit "out of the box".  Be
aware, though, if you view some of our images on the site, most are
*not* out of the box.  That's only because some of us are extremely
anal about things. ;-)


Matt Bittner



------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:49:03 -0400
From: "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." <jernst@delucahomes.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Searching for Kits
Message-ID: <398ABBBF.DA405844@delucahomes.com>



Matt Bittner wrote:

>  some of us are extremely
> anal about things. ;-)
>

I think I'll fit in just fine. As an architect, my life is filled with
worrying about details - some more anal than others.

Is there sosmewhere on the net that can give me some more basics about
glues, fillers, paints, techniques, etc... I assume my days of spraying 1/2
can of testor's cherry red on a Dr.1 have come to a crashing halt. I guess
I'll need to invest in an airbrush.

john




------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:13:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Searching for Kits
Message-ID: <200008041313.JAA12188@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> Is there sosmewhere on the net that can give me some more basics about
> glues, fillers, paints, techniques, etc... I assume my days of spraying 1/2
> can of testor's cherry red on a Dr.1 have come to a crashing halt. I guess
> I'll need to invest in an airbrush.

You can use the search function on the website to search all of the 
old digests (4+ years worth) for any subject you like. The search engine
is slow, but the information contained in the archives invaluable!

I think for a novice, the Model Master Professional (Aztec) airbrush
is a good choice. Others prefer other brands, but for a novice the 
Aztec has served several friends of mine well while they cut their
teeth on it.

Welcome,
Allan Wright - List Administrator

===============================================================================
Allan Wright Jr.            |      "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny
University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu 
Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu
===============================================================================

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:12:08 -0400
From: Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID: <200008040912_MC2-AEA3-F069@compuserve.com>

        All of my completed kits are out of reach of the building
department.  The ot kits that I build are in a "locked" display case in the
living room.  Someone I build for is a cabinet maker so I have a beautiful
case at home that I paid for with plastic. (no, not a VISA).

        The other case is a 6' hexagon case on permanent display at the
Hobby Shop where I teach my class.  It also is locked.  In the 10 years
I've owned this case, it has been in my house only 3 months.  Nothing has
ever been damaged in all of this time.  The beauty of this case is it takes
up on 2 square feet of floor space.  Of course, I have to stand on a chair
to get to the top shelf.  It's a sad thing to be shorter than your display
case. (actually, a lot shorter)

        That could be something we could add to our photo gallery.  Our
display cases.  As soon as my camera comes home, I will take a picture of
both of mine.

Dennis Ugulano
email:  Uggies@compuserve.com
http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm
Page Revised 8/2/00
"Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism."

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:12:09 -0400
From: Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: It's done
Message-ID: <200008040912_MC2-AEA3-F06A@compuserve.com>

Everyone,

        Just a note to say my contribution to the Albatros Cook up is
complete.  The D.IV gloss coat sits drying as we speak.  Turned out to be a
nice little kit.  Photos as soon as possible.

        On another subject, my latest Windsock and Datafile came yesterday.
 There is another crazy person out there.  A Joel Christy has photos of his
scratchbuilt Gotha WD.7 in the proper scale (1/72) and it is beautiful.  

        The Datafile is the Felixstowe F.2A and the front cover is the red
and white dazzle color scheme.  I went and stroked my Aeroclub vac of the
kit.  I'm weakening.  Someone help me.

Dennis Ugulano
email:  Uggies@compuserve.com
http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm
Page Revised 8/2/00
"Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism."

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:17:55 -0400
From: "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." <jernst@delucahomes.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: It's done
Message-ID: <398AC283.3AFD05EF@delucahomes.com>



Dennis Ugulano wrote:

>
>
>  my latest Windsock and Datafile came yesterday.

Wher can I find info about these pubs.?

thanks.

john

>
>


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:23:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID: <200008041323.JAA12444@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

>         That could be something we could add to our photo gallery.  Our
> display cases.  As soon as my camera comes home, I will take a picture of
> both of mine.

I store my models in plastic bins used for sweaters. Since I use them for
Wargaming they are on "display" during games. I have to build my models
to be durable enough to be handled by the unwashed masses you meet at
a wargaming convention (picture an IPMS function except these guys don't
know crapola about how to handle a built model).

So rigging for me is limited to that which is within the protective confines 
of the wings. All cockpits have (or should have) pilots in them so that also
is a consideration. For more about this see the web page:

http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Historicon/index.html

Although I have GREAT admiration for the work of all you "professionals"

-Al

===============================================================================
Allan Wright Jr.            |      "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny
University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu 
Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu
===============================================================================

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:23:43 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: New images
Message-ID: <200008041325.GAA19369@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

I just uploaded 9 new images of Otis Goodin's new SSW D.III.  Well
done, Otis!


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)



------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:40:57 -0500
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: New Guy
Message-ID: <008a01bffe1b$88c13a00$0d8caec7@com>


----- Original Message -----
From: <Albatrosdv@aol.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: New Guy


> In a message dated 8/3/00 10:46:14 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes:
>
> <<  Also, I got bumped off, so I didn't get any postings. >>
>
> You got unsubbed.  Had you been "bumped off," we would either be
celebrating
> or extending our condolences.  :-)
>
> TC

No, I think that I got bumped off.

                                                                    DB

Off to take the $&(%^* GRE exam to try to get into Grad School.  $100 to
spend the next 3 hours of my life at a computer terminal taking an exam.
They don't even answer the phone.  AND I had to make an appointment 2 months
in advance AND there is only one place to take it.  I'm writing my
Congressman...




------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:44:04 -0500
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: New Guy
Message-ID: <008b01bffe1b$899b6d60$0d8caec7@com>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Thomas" <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: New Guy


>
>
> DAVID BURKE wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I'd like to echo Ernie's sentiments,
>
> The clowns are after you too?

EVERY FRICKIN' DAY OF THE YEAR!!  You know that!


DB

Great song: 'I Hate Clowns' by Too Much Joy


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:49:01 -0500
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: AWRIGHT! Where are the Mercedes Refs?
Message-ID: <008c01bffe1b$8a4ae740$0d8caec7@com>

> I  saw a TV show a month ot two ago about the CalTech windtunnel in
Pasadena.
> Though not used as often as in past decades, it's still fired from time to
> time, most recently for some testing of racing bikes........the thing is
> powered by  a German U Boat Diesel from WW I- YES- WORLD WAR ONE. Amazing.
> RK

Those big old diesels don't die too easily unless they are shot up, bombed
to hell, or drowned at the bottom of the sea!  As I have only been in the
Type IX in Chicago (granted, an ot boat) the cramped conditions were just
bearable due to the cut-away bulkheads and air-conditioning freshening the
air a bit.  Plus it wasn't pitching and rocking in the sea!!


DB


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:51:55 -0500
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit
Message-ID: <008d01bffe1b$8b1451c0$0d8caec7@com>


----- Original Message -----
From: <REwing@aol.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit


>
> << Do, however, be aware that Paaschendaele is one guy - list member John
>  Cyganowski - who in addition to meeting your demands for immediate
>  gratification has a real job to do, a family to live with and a life to
get
>  on with.  In other words, you might have to wait awhile to get yours -
it's
>  definitely worth the wait, so don't bitch and moan like the denizens of
"the
>  sandbox" do over Accurate Miniatures' delays.
>
>  Tom Cleaver >>
>
> This is very, very true!!  I've been waiting over three months for my
order.
> -Rick-

Yeah, but I, too have seen Cyg's stuff and you will be pleasantly surprised
to learn that at least some things in life are more than worth the wait!


DB


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:59:12 -0400
From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: It's done (where to get Windsock)
Message-ID: <OF4620C525.ECF98502-ON85256931.004C883B@si.edu>


Wher can I find info about these pubs.?

thanks.

john
--------------------------------------

John,
If you are in the US, try Roll Models or Aeroplane Books for Windsock
Magazine and the Windsock Datafiles from Albatros Publications.  Both firms
give great service - and both like WWI.

http://www.aeroplanebooks.com/
http://www.rollmodels.com/

Brian Nicklas
Archives Division, Room 3148
National Air and Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560-0322 USA
1-202-357-3133 (telephone)
1-202-786-2835 (telefax)



------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:11:34 +0100
From: "Nigel Rayner" <nigel@rosnar.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Newbie cry for help
Message-ID: <000e01bffe1d$e6506b80$e5b0883e@w1o0t3>

John wrote:

>So I go down to my local hobby store (snip). Most of the Eduard kits are
1/48. The only 1/72 kits, with a decent selection, >were Toko - I've heard
of them , but don't know much about them.
Toko were a Ukrainian company, now defunct (and resurrected as Roden), that
did a good range of WWI kits. However, they are difficult to build (ususally
the cabane struts don't fit) and you should not try them for your first
foray into WWI modelling. Beleive me, I know - I'm a relative newbie too.
Well, 2 and a half years in the game but only four models completed (ulp!).
I tried two Tokos - the Hansa Brandenburg and the Pfalz DXII. I gave up
completely on the HB (too difficult) but did get the Pfalz completed. I
actually got the cabane strutrs to fit as well (cheers). However, I am just
building the Eduard 1/72 Albatros DV/DVa and believe you me, this kit is a
dream to build. You *must* get one of these as your first effort -
beautifully engineered, great detail and good decals. It really is a
pleasure to build and will encourage you to do more. It is much better to
start off with a success that looks like the real thing rather than get
dispirited with a difficult kit or a clunker like the DVII. OK the DVII is
relatively accurate, but it needs sanding, the struts are too thick, the
guns are crap, there's no interior detail etc etc. And the Eduard
non-Profipack version is really good value for money. Also, there's no
lozenge to deal with.

>Also, I can't get over the price of kits. The Eduard 1/48 stuff is around
$22.- $28.
That's nothing for the hours of pleasure you will get and the quality of the
kit itself! If you're planning on 1/48, try an Eduard as your first go - I'd
recommend the Nieuport 17. But you'll find 1/72 easier to start with if you
go for a good quality kit like the Eduard.

>I did find the Revell 1/72 D.VII, for less than $5.
A clunker. Good basic kit, but by the time you've added aftermarket decals,
decent guns and some aftermarket interior parts, you're looking at more than
five bucks! You'll have to fill the sink holes, sand the ribs down, replace
the struts and scratchbuild some interior parts to get a decent looking kit.
The Eduard works out far cheaper - you don't have to add anything and you'll
get a far better looking result with less effort. And I should know - I
bought two DVIIs early on in my OT days and just haven't been able to face
them.

>The Toko line had many  interesting kits. Are they worth beginning with?
No. 'Nuff said.

>I would imagine that many people purchase kits via the net. Where are the
best places to get kits on the web?
The net is the best hobby shop. I recommend Rosemont Hobbies (Barry is a
list member) or Roll Models. I used them both when I lived in the US. That's
how you get your Eduard DV/DVa.

HTH,

Nigel



------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:05:57 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: ebay question
Message-ID: <200008041407.HAA26948@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

I'm wondering about this photo:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=398787775

Are these S4C's?



Matt Bittner



------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:09:04 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Newbie cry for help
Message-ID: <200008041410.HAA29040@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:08:36 -0400 (EDT), Nigel Rayner wrote:

> >I did find the Revell 1/72 D.VII, for less than $5.
> A clunker. Good basic kit, but by the time you've added aftermarket decals,
> decent guns and some aftermarket interior parts, you're looking at more than
> five bucks! You'll have to fill the sink holes, sand the ribs down, replace
> the struts and scratchbuild some interior parts to get a decent looking kit.
> The Eduard works out far cheaper - you don't have to add anything and you'll
> get a far better looking result with less effort. And I should know - I
> bought two DVIIs early on in my OT days and just haven't been able to face
> them.

I will have to disagree with Nigel here.  Since the guy is new, he
would not have to replace everything.  That's just for us anal types.
;-)  Build something out of the box, and be done with it.  While you'll
still have to remove the molding problems (dimples, etc.) the D.VII
still has a lot less rigging than the D.V.

Now, that's not to put down the Eduard D.V in anyway, shape or form. 
Just be aware there's a lot more rigging with the D.V than there is
with a D.VII.


Matt Bittner



------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:14:28 -0500 
From: "Anderson, Chris C" <CCAnders@exchangegateway.tmp.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: A-H Albatros help needed
Message-ID: <F1E19CEBF2AFD311B331009027711C4702E54058@mildnts07.tmp.com>

I also couldn't find any cockpit shots of the Oeffag Alb. D.II in all the
references I have. A couple of shots (of 2 different D.IIs) from a 3/4 angle
reveal a large round instrument located in the forward right area, possibly
the altimeter which in one pic of a D.III 153 series seems to be on the left
- but that is just a guess as I never have paid proper attention to cockpit
fittings! There are quite a few pictures of 153 cockpits, and they do not
all show the same configurations, so I suppose Dicta Ira applies here.

Chris  

> ----------
> From: 	MAnde72343@aol.com
> Reply To: 	wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
> Sent: 	Thursday, August 3, 2000 6:40 PM
> To: 	Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: 	Re: A-H Albatros help needed
> 
> Steve, the JaPo book only has a couple of cockpit shots, all for later
> series 
> aircraft, but the color profiles and other detail shots are a very good 
> reference; the differences between Albatros and OEF D's are subtle, but 
> visible. The OEF D.III were some of the best planes of the Central Powers,
> 
> faster and sturdier than their German counterparts.
> Merrill 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:29:35 EDT
From: BEN8800@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Jenny Kit 1:16
Message-ID: <aa.8c5a3a1.26bc2d4f@aol.com>

Most of you know I am working on the Jenny structural model kit for Model 
Expo. Well, it's getting close. Hopefully, the kit will be available in 
February 2001. The 1:16 Nieuport 28 kit which is designed in Italy is also 
about ready for issue. It will probably come out before the Jenny. So finish 
the Model Expo Albatros so you can jump on these new kits. 

Ben Lankford
Vienna, VA

------------------------------

Date: 4 Aug 2000 07:38:35 -0700
From: Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID: <20000804143835.428.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net>


> Although I have GREAT admiration for the work of all you "professionals"
> 
> -Al

I've noticed that we seem to have quite a few profesionals in the group.
Seems like a pretty great job - but doesn't it sometimes wreck it for you.

I made a 1/48 Apache for work once - it was still a lot of fun to make, but it broke my heart to part with it in the end.

And I just knew these hamfisted engineers would break it sooner or later.

Mark


_______________________________________________________________________

Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! 
http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html

_______________________________________________________________________


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:43:29 -0600
From: "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: A-H Albatros help needed
Message-ID: <00c901bffe22$5c4c2320$e537b8a1@darcy>

There is a photo in Squadron's Albatros book. The shot is facing forward but
does not show either side.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Anderson, Chris C <CCAnders@exchangegateway.tmp.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: 04 August, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: A-H Albatros help needed


> I also couldn't find any cockpit shots of the Oeffag Alb. D.II in all the
> references I have. A couple of shots (of 2 different D.IIs) from a 3/4
angle
> reveal a large round instrument located in the forward right area,
possibly
> the altimeter which in one pic of a D.III 153 series seems to be on the
left
> - but that is just a guess as I never have paid proper attention to
cockpit
> fittings! There are quite a few pictures of 153 cockpits, and they do not
> all show the same configurations, so I suppose Dicta Ira applies here.
>
> Chris
>
> > ----------
> > From: MAnde72343@aol.com
> > Reply To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
> > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2000 6:40 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: Re: A-H Albatros help needed
> >
> > Steve, the JaPo book only has a couple of cockpit shots, all for later
> > series
> > aircraft, but the color profiles and other detail shots are a very good
> > reference; the differences between Albatros and OEF D's are subtle, but
> > visible. The OEF D.III were some of the best planes of the Central
Powers,
> >
> > faster and sturdier than their German counterparts.
> > Merrill
> >
> >


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:50:48 -0400
From: smperry@mindspring.com
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: ebay question
Message-ID: <001301bffe23$618e7620$340c56d1@default>

Yes they are Tommy Morses

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 10:11 AM
Subject: ebay question


> I'm wondering about this photo:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=398787775
> 
> Are these S4C's?
> 
> 
> 
> Matt Bittner
> 
> 


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:55:17 -0400
From: smperry@mindspring.com
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: A-H Albatros help needed
Message-ID: <001901bffe24$01be7500$340c56d1@default>


> There is a photo in Squadron's Albatros book. The shot is facing forward
but
> does not show either side.
> Dale

Duh ah if it was a snake it would have bitten me.

Thanks
sp


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:09:27 -0600
From: "Dale Sebring" <alleluja@ida.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Thanks to all
Message-ID: <013201bffe25$fce9f7a0$a4b58dd0@main>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFFDF3.B1109F00
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wish to thank all for the kind reception into this great arena. I'm =
going to love it!
With all this activity on-line, its hard to believe there is time enough =
for gainful employment, much less to turn out such outstanding works of =
art.
Thanks again,
Dale S.


------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFFDF3.B1109F00
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3105.105" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wish to thank all for the kind =
reception into=20
this great arena. I'm going to&nbsp;love it!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With all this activity on-line, its =
hard to believe=20
there is time enough for gainful employment, much less to turn out such=20
outstanding works of art.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks again,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dale S.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFFDF3.B1109F00--


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:12:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Thanks to all
Message-ID: <200008041512.LAA13479@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> I wish to thank all for the kind reception into this great arena. I'm =
> going to love it!
> With all this activity on-line, its hard to believe there is time enough =
> for gainful employment, much less to turn out such outstanding works of =
> art.

When something has to give......make it the gainful employment part.

===============================================================================
Allan Wright Jr.            |      "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny
University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu 
Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu
===============================================================================

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:08:55 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Thanks to all
Message-ID: <200008041510.IAA26143@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

One thing you want to do, though, is turn off your HTML/Outlook
formatting.  Please keep it all text.



--Original Message Text---
From: Dale Sebring
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:10:59 -0400 (EDT)

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFFDF3.B1109F00
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wish to thank all for the kind reception into this great arena. I'm =
going to love it!
With all this activity on-line, its hard to believe there is time
enough =
for gainful employment, much less to turn out such outstanding works of
=
art.
Thanks again,
Dale S.


------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFFDF3.B1109F00
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
I wish to thank all for the kind = reception into=20 this great arena.
I'm going to love it!
With all this activity on-line, its = hard to believe=20 there is time
enough for gainful employment, much less to turn out such=20
outstanding works of art.
Thanks again,
Dale S.
 


------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFFDF3.B1109F00--



Matt Bittner


--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_
Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<HTML>

<FONT FACE="Trebuchet MS" DEFAULT="FACE"><FONT SIZE="2" POINTSIZE="11" DEFAULT="SIZE">One thing you want to do, though, is turn off your HTML/Outlook formatting.  Please keep it all text.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
--Original Message Text---<BR>
<B>From:</B> Dale Sebring<BR>
<B>Date:</B> Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:10:59 -0400 (EDT)<BR>
<BR>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<BR>
<BR>
------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFFDF3.B1109F00<BR>
Content-Type: text/plain;<BR>
    charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>
<BR>
I wish to thank all for the kind reception into this great arena. I'm =<BR>
going to love it!<BR>
With all this activity on-line, its hard to believe there is time enough =<BR>
for gainful employment, much less to turn out such outstanding works of =<BR>
art.<BR>
Thanks again,<BR>
Dale S.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFFDF3.B1109F00<BR>
Content-Type: text/html;<BR>
    charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>
<BR>
&lt;!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"&gt;<BR>
<FONT FACE="3DArial"><FONT SIZE="3" POINTSIZE="12">I wish to thank all for the kind = reception into=20 this great arena. I'm going to love it!<FONT FACE="Trebuchet MS" DEFAULT="FACE"><FONT SIZE="2" POINTSIZE="11" DEFAULT="SIZE"><BR>
<FONT FACE="3DArial"><FONT SIZE="3" POINTSIZE="12">With all this activity on-line, its = hard to believe=20 there is time enough for gainful employment, much less to turn out such=20 outstanding works of art.<FONT FACE="Trebuchet MS" DEFAULT="FACE"><FONT SIZE="2" POINTSIZE="11" DEFAULT="SIZE"><BR>
<FONT FACE="3DArial"><FONT SIZE="3" POINTSIZE="12">Thanks again,<FONT FACE="Trebuchet MS" DEFAULT="FACE"><FONT SIZE="2" POINTSIZE="11" DEFAULT="SIZE"><BR>
<FONT FACE="3DArial"><FONT SIZE="3" POINTSIZE="12">Dale S.<FONT FACE="Trebuchet MS" DEFAULT="FACE"><FONT SIZE="2" POINTSIZE="11" DEFAULT="SIZE"><BR>
 <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFFDF3.B1109F00--<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>

</HTML>

<HTML>
<LEFT>
<FONT FACE="Trebuchet MS" COLOR="#000001" SIZE="2" POINTSIZE="11" DEFAULT="ALL">
Matt&nbsp;Bittner</HTML>

--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_--


------------------------------

End of WWI Digest 2512
**********************