WWI Digest 2509

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: IM neglect
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  2) Re: subscribe or not subscribe
	by "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
  3) RE: AWRIGHT! Where are the Mercedes Refs?
	by Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com
  4) Re: Are hotmail people out??
	by Allan Wright <aew>
  5) Re: Are hotmail people out??
	by "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
  6) Re: Are hotmail people out??
	by Allan Wright <aew>
  7) Couple of questions...
	by John_Impenna@hyperion.com
  8) Re: To Subscribe or not to Subscribe..That is the question???
	by "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@iname.com>
  9) Re: Couple of questions...
	by MAnde72343@aol.com
 10) Re: Are hotmail people out??
	by Shane & Lorna Jenkins <sljenkins@tac.com.au>
 11) Re: To Subscribe or not to Subscribe..That is the question???
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 12) Re: Couple of questions...
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 13) Comparing the Pubs, Was:Re: To Subscribe or not to Subscribe..That is the question???
	by smperry@mindspring.com
 14) Re: Are hotmail people out??
	by "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
 15) More Roden D.VI
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 16) Eduard 1/72 D.Va Decals
	by Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com
 17) Re: Lance's W.12 and Judging
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 18) Re: Halberstadt Fighters
	by Albatrosdv@aol.com
 19) Re: Couple of questions...
	by Albatrosdv@aol.com
 20) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." <jernst@delucahomes.com>
 21) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 22) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." <jernst@delucahomes.com>
 23) Re: To Subscribe or not to Subscribe..
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 24) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by Albatrosdv@aol.com
 25) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 26) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 27) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 28) Re: Eduard 1/72 D.Va Decals
	by MAnde72343@aol.com
 29) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
 30) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by Lyle Lamboley <lyle.lamboley@juno.com>
 31) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
 32) Re: Kit Recommendations
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
 33) New Guy
	by "Dale Sebring" <alleluja@ida.net>

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:56:18 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: IM neglect
Message-ID: <200008031256.FAA00735@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:53:12 -0400 (EDT), Richard Eaton wrote:

> Regards, and working naval issues,

Thanks.  One thing I'm looking forward to is seeing one of the new, big
ICM ships built up.


Matt Bittner



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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:17:04 +0200
From: "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
To: <pugs99@att.net>
Cc: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: subscribe or not subscribe
Message-ID: <009401bffd4d$1e559ea0$320106c0@acasirat>

All I can say is that you should subscribe to WW1 Aero: I subscribed back in
1987 and always renewed my membership.
I could give up with WS, the Datafiles and OTF or C&C (which I did), but
could never avoid getting that full of precious OT stuff pubblication !

All the very best,

Alberto Casirati


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:21:52 -0500
From: Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: AWRIGHT! Where are the Mercedes Refs?
Message-ID: <OF3B880986.86799DA2-ON86256930.004882CC@stsv.seagate.com>


Howdy!

just a note on German engineering....

The U-boat in the Chicago has functional diesels. Apparently some
volunteers replaced some gaskets and gave it a tune up. That was all that
was required to return these engines (motors?) to running condition. Not
too shabby after sitting for 40 years.

While I was in the U-boat the museum played a recording of one engine at
50% volume. It was deafening! I could only imagine hearing both engines at
full volume. Sheesh! Not to mention the cramped confines. Give me an
airplane anyday. I'd make a shi**y submariner.

Later!

Brent




"dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>@pease1.sr.unh.edu on 08/02/2000
02:02:06 PM

Please respond to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu

Sent by:  wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu


To:   Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
cc:

Subject:  RE: AWRIGHT! Where are the Mercedes Refs?


Dave wrote
>Since the water cooled Mercedes, Hissos, etc. lend
> themselves so well for use as stationary power plants, they were
generally
> ran into the ground and discarded, contributing to their scarcity.

Interesting... my own high schoool has a small "museum" of engines, amongst
Lerhones and Spas and other ancient and delicate technologies. They are
pretty advanced even for today standards and have featured excellent
perfomances many years after being passed out from the original owners.
Some
of the engines in my school were part of the batch of airplanes brought to
Argentina in 1919.
As an aside, the school has its own electrical powerplant, powered by a
german diesel engine originally used to re-charge the batteries of a german
U-boot!
D.





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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:39:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Are hotmail people out??
Message-ID: <200008031339.JAA04742@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

>   I am unsubscribed and hotmail is having trouble hooking up with you 
> guys???  What's up??

Hotmail has been seriously flarged up for at least a weak. The system has
purged most if not all the hotmail users because of bounced e-mail and
mail server (at hotmail) unresponsiveness.

I guess you get what you pay for!

-Al

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University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:44:06 -0600
From: "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Are hotmail people out??
Message-ID: <00b201bffd51$0df065a0$452eb8a1@darcy>

Same problem with 3web last year. Switched from a free one and have never
been kicked off in over a year. Allan's right. You get what you pay for!
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Wright <aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: 03 August, 2000 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Are hotmail people out??


> >   I am unsubscribed and hotmail is having trouble hooking up with you
> > guys???  What's up??
>
> Hotmail has been seriously flarged up for at least a weak. The system has
> purged most if not all the hotmail users because of bounced e-mail and
> mail server (at hotmail) unresponsiveness.
>
> I guess you get what you pay for!
>
> -Al
>
>
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> University of New Hampshire
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>


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:55:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Are hotmail people out??
Message-ID: <200008031355.JAA04889@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> Same problem with 3web last year. Switched from a free one and have never
> been kicked off in over a year. Allan's right. You get what you pay for!

Some ISPs that are far away from the states sometimes have trouble once 
in a while. It's the nature of the internet, sometimes parts of this 
vastly complicated machine just break and routes to parts of the world
go down.

I am pretty sure this is not the case with hotmail right now. The problem
has been going on to long and I am unaware of any internet outages that
would cause this.

-Allan

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University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:04:42 -0400
From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Couple of questions...
Message-ID: <85256930.004E3E1F.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com>



Hi All,
Someone posted a question yesterday regarding the various OT publications that
are available.  I would also be interested in hearing opinions as to what folks
like better: C&C or Over the Front.  How is Windsock?  I have heard good things
about the Datafiles as well.  Is WWI Aero a good pub?  I too am thinking of
subscribing to a few.

Next question, and forgive a newbie to the list, how good is the Aurora D-III?
Should I build it or sell it for its collector value, as the box I have is in
good shape?  Any help from the group is appreciated.

John Impenna



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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:16:08 +0100
From: "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@iname.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: To Subscribe or not to Subscribe..That is the question???
Message-ID: <007701bffd56$8a196c80$61266cd5@5120>

> Is Windsock; worth the $40+ a
> year as well as the extra reading time??? C&C or Over the
> Front?  WWI Aero?

It'll be very interesting to hear the list's views on these
publications - especially the C&C &/or OtF debate. C&C has
been losing US members over the past few years, although the
other geographic regions are doing OK. Any one care to
venture an opinion as to why?

Andy K


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:23:43 EDT
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Couple of questions...
Message-ID: <e8.807f84c.26bada6f@aol.com>

The Aurora D.III is an interesting mess,  part DV (it was re-released as a DV 
in it's final incarnation) it's history, sell it to a collector, the Eduard 
kit makes it (and the Glencoe kit) a joke.
Merrill


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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:01:44 +1000
From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins <sljenkins@tac.com.au>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Are hotmail people out??
Message-ID: <39897B48.92FB6A6@tac.com.au>

Allan Wright wrote:
> 
> > Same problem with 3web last year. Switched from a free one and have never
> > been kicked off in over a year. Allan's right. You get what you pay for!
> 
> Some ISPs that are far away from the states sometimes have trouble once
> in a while. It's the nature of the internet, sometimes parts of this
> vastly complicated machine just break and routes to parts of the world
> go down.
> 
> I am pretty sure this is not the case with hotmail right now. The problem
> has been going on to long and I am unaware of any internet outages that
> would cause this.
> 
> -Allan
> 
> ===============================================================================
> Allan Wright Jr.            |      "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny
> University of New Hampshire 

 Hi Allan,

 FWIW, I have the same problem with hotmail with the mailing list I run
(SMML). I always get bounces from them & the coverage has been really
patchy for the last 4-6 months. It's the only "isp" that I have this
problem with

 Regards,

 Shane
 APMA VP
 http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm

 PS: To all the SMMLies on this list - SMML should be back up & running
over the weekend ;-)

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:38:41 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: To Subscribe or not to Subscribe..That is the question???
Message-ID: <200008031439.HAA03434@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:29:12 -0400 (EDT), Andy Kemp wrote:

> It'll be very interesting to hear the list's views on these
> publications - especially the C&C &/or OtF debate. C&C has
> been losing US members over the past few years, although the
> other geographic regions are doing OK. Any one care to
> venture an opinion as to why?

This may hurt, but I see it as two problems - cost and content.  C&C
deals a lot with British subjects.  I know of very few modeler's that
actually build British around me.  Sure, there's the occassional German
subject, but those two used to be the brunt of the entire publication. 
I understand the problem is not entirely C&C's fault, because you can
only publish what is sent in - which is why, with C&C being a British
pub, a lot of British subjects are covered.

Then there's the money... :-)


Matt Bittner



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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:36:00 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Couple of questions...
Message-ID: <200008031439.HAA03543@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:21:58 -0400 (EDT), John_Impenna@hyperion.com
wrote:

> Someone posted a question yesterday regarding the various OT publications that
> are available.  I would also be interested in hearing opinions as to what folks
> like better: C&C or Over the Front.  How is Windsock?  I have heard good things
> about the Datafiles as well.  Is WWI Aero a good pub?  I too am thinking of
> subscribing to a few.

Personally I like OtF better, but that's because of the topics covered.
 I still purchase Windsock even though they're on topic content is
dwindling.  What I would like to see is Windsock become more of the
modeling journal they started out to be - lately it's been a lot of
post-war and one-off "stuff".

The Datafiles, on the other hand, are normally very good.  Granted,
very little French subjects covered, but that's not completely their
problem.

WW1 Aero is very nice, but is geared more toward the "real" plane
builders.  Still, they have a lot of good "technical"-type coverage.


Matt Bittner



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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:51:11 -0400
From: smperry@mindspring.com
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Comparing the Pubs, Was:Re: To Subscribe or not to Subscribe..That is the question???
Message-ID: <001801bffd5a$44357020$ef0156d1@default>

Money permitting, subscribe to all.   Boy, I wish ;-)

Since money doesn't permit. I  went with OTF because when I had both OTF &
C&CI I thought the OTF publication  was the better balance between history
and modeling reference. Close call though. Fortunately I was able to
negotiate a years subscription to C&CI in return for building models for a
fellow. I recently acquired a WWI Aero (Thanks S&L) I will be subscribing to
that as soon as I get that much ahead of the bill collector. The WWI Aero
probably has the most model useful info. I have never seen a Windsock, so I
can't comment. Datafiles, I buy individually as need arises.






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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:19:22 -0500
From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Are hotmail people out??
Message-ID: <45E80C0924964D115AC40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com>

>Hotmail has been seriously flarged up for at least a weak. 

I think Hotmail are changing 5 - 10% of their servers from BSD to Win2000 at MS's 
request/insistence. The changeover was probably the last 7 days. Normal service will most 
likely return when they remove the Win2000 servers and go back to being 100% BSD lol. 

>I guess you get what you pay for!

And dont Win32 users know it.





cam
AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:22:45 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: More Roden D.VI
Message-ID: <200008031523.IAA00481@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Just had a realization about the Roden Fokker D.VI, which makes it all
the more disconcerting.  One of the schemes they chose is one that I
have *only* seen profiled in the WW1 Warplanes, Vol. 1 section on the
type.  That means - to me, at least - they used the book at least for
the markings info.  If that was the case, then why did they "screw up"
the fuselage?  Gads...

One thing I wonder, though.  Since they have the separate turtledecks,
I wonder if they made up the discrepency in the D.VI vs. the Dr.I
fuselage this way.  I guess I'll have to cut it apart and dry fit it to
find out.  Hmmm...


Matt Bittner



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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:16:09 -0500
From: Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Eduard 1/72 D.Va Decals
Message-ID: <OFA4D3CFDA.99100B44-ON86256930.0058E6F5@stsv.seagate.com>


Howdy Gang!

I am going to have two Albatros done for the cookup I think. My second
machine will be Nather's machine. This is the black one that comes with the
non-Profipack kit. Would anyone be willing to spare the decals of his flag
on a white field? I would like to double them on my model because I know
they won't be opaque enough over the black fuselage.

I'll reimburse all postage. Please contact me off list at:

Brent_A_Theobald@notes.Seagate.COM

Have a good one!

Brent


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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:44:25 -0500
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Lance's W.12 and Judging
Message-ID: <s9895b36.032@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Let us please lay to rest any further comment about the fate of this particular model at the IPMS Nationals.  

I have no complaints about the contest, and I did not seek out the judges for an explanation; the hour was late, the crowds heavy, and the issue decided.

I DO have some observations to make:

1. Paul Howard's excellent triplane and SSW are worthy winners; I have recently modeled the Sopwith triplane and am in a position to appreciate the many details and corrections he made in turning out a contest winner.

2.  Paul proved in Dallas that he is a gracious winner in addition to being an accomplished modeler.  I am embarrassed that this furor is making me appear to be a less than gracious loser.

3.  I went to Dallas to meet like-minded OT modelers, and was well rewarded with four days of conviviality.  I was pleased to be able to show off my own work and admire the accomplishments of others.

4.  I build models for my own satisfaction and to my own standards.  My ego is sufficiently robust to survive this particular setback, and the lessons learned in the process will stand me in good stead for my next effort. 

I appreciate all the support, and thank everyone for their compliments.  Now lets move on...

Lance


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:53:50 EDT
From: Albatrosdv@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Halberstadt Fighters
Message-ID: <70.1c52e5c.26bafd9e@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/3/00 5:33:46 AM EST, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes:

<< Besides, you can check the Windsock Special on Halberstadt fighters and
 Jane's WW1 airplanes book.  >>

True.  However, the Grosz and Ferko article does the history - puts the 
airplane into its historical context, and demonstrates why it is significant. 
 It's always good to have the what and how of an airplane, which you get with 
the books Diego recommends (and I agree with), but I think getting the "why" 
of an airplane is as important, in terms of expanding one's knowledge of the 
era, the aircraft, etc.

BTW - it's Air *Enthusiast* Quarterly No. 14, *not* Air International - I go 
back with those magazines to when Air International was Air Enthusiast, and 
get them mixed up on occasion (senior moment, senior moment).  I hadn't 
looked through that issue in awhile, and forgot just how good it is - a great 
OT article, a superb piece on the 
P-26, excellent coverage of the Connie, a definitive article on the T.S.R.2, 
dynamic bit of history about combat air rescue, and one of yours truly's 
first bits of aviation writing, which still holds water.  Takes one back, 
remembering when Bill Green edited Air Enthusiast: it was so much better than 
the pale imitation you find on the bookstore shelves today - every article in 
every issue was useful.  

Tom Cleaver

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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:01:30 EDT
From: Albatrosdv@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Couple of questions...
Message-ID: <69.89ebadd.26baff6a@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/3/00 9:19:38 AM EST, John_Impenna@hyperion.com writes:

<< 
 Next question, and forgive a newbie to the list, how good is the Aurora 
D-III?
 Should I build it or sell it for its collector value, as the box I have is in
 good shape?  Any help from the group is appreciated.
  >>

Any relationship between this kit and an Albatros D.III is coincidental.  
Sell it to an eBay moron as fast as you can!  :-)

Tom Cleaver

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:20:49 -0400
From: "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." <jernst@delucahomes.com>
To: WWI List <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <3989A9F1.2578E4FE@delucahomes.com>

Hello All -

If a beginner were to ask which one or two WWI
kits they would recommend as a good overall intro
to the hobby, what whould they be? Lets say that
this beginner has modeling skills from years of
stick and tissue scale modeling, but hasn't built
or bought a plastic kit in over 25 yrs. Not that
this person is me, of course.

Thanks ahead of time.

john ernst
lansdale, pa


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:29:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <200008031729.NAA06281@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> If a beginner were to ask which one or two WWI
> kits they would recommend as a good overall intro
> to the hobby, what whould they be? Lets say that
> this beginner has modeling skills from years of
> stick and tissue scale modeling, but hasn't built
> or bought a plastic kit in over 25 yrs. Not that
> this person is me, of course.

Eduard D-V, non-profipack, good kit - don't go for the extra bits for
your first kit.

Airfix Roland C-II, since there are no cabane struts, assembling the
Biplane is quite a bit easier than the normal WWI bird. Also has many
options for simple paint schemes.

-Al

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University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
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Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:28:57 -0400
From: "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." <jernst@delucahomes.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <3989ABD9.24BB9B5B@delucahomes.com>



Allan Wright wrote:.

>
> Eduard D-V, non-profipack,

what is a "non-profipack?


thanks.

john


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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:30:03 -0500
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: To Subscribe or not to Subscribe..
Message-ID: <s98965ea.017@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

I have seen a number of people list Windsock as an option, rather than a must-have, and find that kind of surprising.  There is an awful lot of good detail as well as general information contained therein.

World War One Aero has many invaluable features geared to the restorer or modeler, and remains very high on my list.  AND... it's tax deductible.

OTF and C&C(I) are more historical.  I would give the nod to OTF as having more markings features, while C&C(I) is more likely to feature an in-depth look at a particular plane.

One disturbing trend that has been discussed in WWI Aero, and would seem to be true of Windsock, is the relative dearth of new information coming up.  For instance, the invaluable cockpit features in WWIAero are dying out because the entire trove of material has now been published.

I say get 'em all, and money be damned!

Lance


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:31:33 EDT
From: Albatrosdv@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <c4.754ff66.26bb0675@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/3/00 12:23:11 PM EST, jernst@delucahomes.com writes:

<< If a beginner were to ask which one or two WWI
 kits they would recommend as a good overall intro
 to the hobby, what whould they be? Lets say that
 this beginner has modeling skills from years of
 stick and tissue scale modeling, but hasn't built
 or bought a plastic kit in over 25 yrs. Not that
 this person is me, of course.
  >>

Here's what I would recommend you pass on to your friend who needs this 
information.  (:-))

This goes from easiest to more difficult, and all are the kind of model that 
you will have so much fun with, you'll be fired up to do others.

1.  Eduard 1/48 Roland D.II (if you haven't worked with photo-etch, get the 
non-Profipack version, it makes up very nicely)

2.  Eduard Hanriot H.D.1 (ditto regarding photo-etch)

3a.  Eduard Nieuport 17 (ditto regarding photo-etch)

3b.  Eduard Albatros D.III (ditto regarding photo-etch)

Any of these will give you a very happy entrance to the world of WW1 modeling 
in injection-molded plastic.

I would suggest you go to Modeling Madness Webzine and look up the reviews of 
these kits that have been done there, in the Reviews Index.  

http://modelingmadness.com

HTH

Tom Cleaver

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:33:32 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <200008031734.KAA25677@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:30:40 -0400 (EDT), Allan Wright wrote:

> Eduard D-V, non-profipack, good kit - don't go for the extra bits for
> your first kit.

I would also add the Eduard Fokker Dr.I, non-profi.  Less rigging than
a D.V. ;-)  Oh, these are 1/72nd, BTW...  For 1/48th, one of our
"blind" members will have to help you out... ;-)


Matt Bittner



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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:34:08 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <200008031734.KAA27593@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:35:06 -0400 (EDT), John J. Ernst, A.I.A. wrote:

> what is a "non-profipack?

The Eduard profipack contains photoetch.  "Non-prof" does not.


Matt Bittner



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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:38:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <200008031738.NAA06515@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> > Eduard D-V, non-profipack,
> what is a "non-profipack?

Eduard produces some kits in 2 forms, regular and "Profipack". The
Profipack has extra brass bits, more decals (in the case of the D-V full
Lozenge sheets), etc.

For a first WWI kit all this extra stuff is probably too much, and the cost
of the "Profipack" kits is considerably more than the normal version, almost
double.

-Al

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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:35:38 EDT
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Eduard 1/72 D.Va Decals
Message-ID: <3a.896682c.26bb076a@aol.com>

Brent, I would be glad to let you have the flags.
Merrill


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:36:09 -0600
From: "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <003701bffd71$6a07efa0$482bb8a1@darcy>

John
In 48 scale: Eduard 48 scale Nieuport (17 or 23) or the Albatros DIII.
In 72 scale Eduard Albatros DV/Va? Not sure of the last one as I build 48,
however there are members that can correct me if I'm wrong.
Welcome to the Asylum!
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: John J. Ernst, A.I.A. <jernst@delucahomes.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: 03 August, 2000 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations


> Hello All -
>
> If a beginner were to ask which one or two WWI
> kits they would recommend as a good overall intro
> to the hobby, what whould they be? Lets say that
> this beginner has modeling skills from years of
> stick and tissue scale modeling, but hasn't built
> or bought a plastic kit in over 25 yrs. Not that
> this person is me, of course.
>
> Thanks ahead of time.
>
> john ernst
> lansdale, pa
>
>


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:38:19 -0400
From: Lyle Lamboley <lyle.lamboley@juno.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <20000803.133821.-264485.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com>

Hi John,
Well, one of my ideas for a simple plastic model would be the 1/28 Revell
Fokker Dr.I.  Being a large model, it isn't as fiddly to work with as
some of the smaller scales, and is a fairly accurate model.  This was
what I cut my teeth on with the WWI models.  hth--
Lyle

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:25:35 -0400 (EDT) "John J. Ernst, A.I.A."
<jernst@delucahomes.com> writes:
> Hello All -
> 
> If a beginner were to ask which one or two WWI
> kits they would recommend as a good overall intro
> to the hobby, what whould they be? Lets say that
> this beginner has modeling skills from years of
> stick and tissue scale modeling, but hasn't built
> or bought a plastic kit in over 25 yrs. Not that
> this person is me, of course.
> 
> Thanks ahead of time.
> 
> john ernst
> lansdale, pa
> 

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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:49:06 -0600
From: "Dale Beamish" <lozenge1@telusplanet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <005f01bffd73$3f4c61e0$482bb8a1@darcy>

And to think he wanted decals!
LOL
Dale
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Matt Bittner <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: 03 August, 2000 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations


> On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:30:40 -0400 (EDT), Allan Wright wrote:
> 
> > Eduard D-V, non-profipack, good kit - don't go for the extra bits for
> > your first kit.
> 
> I would also add the Eduard Fokker Dr.I, non-profi.  Less rigging than
> a D.V. ;-)  Oh, these are 1/72nd, BTW...  For 1/48th, one of our
> "blind" members will have to help you out... ;-)
> 
> 
> Matt Bittner
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:15:40 GMT
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <F15uCvjNhreFb4Z5twq0000617d@hotmail.com>


>
>If a beginner were to ask which one or two WWI
>kits they would recommend as a good overall intro
>to the hobby, what whould they be?
>

John:

As a relative newcomer to plastic modelling, I recommend the Fokker D.VII 
kit as a starter kit.  In 1/72nd scale, Revell does a really nice 
inexpensive job.  I'm sure 1/48th scale is available too.  The D.VII has 
numerous advantages; minimal rigging (just on the tail and undercarriage), 
the "N" struts make the top wing's assembly easy, loads of free reference 
material available of the web, large number of different colour schemes, 
aftermarket add ons available if you want them.  Essentially, you can build 
this kit out-of-the-box or add stuff on as you desire, so you have a lot of 
flexibility.

As a second choice for a firt time person, I would select Flashback's 1/72nd 
scale Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, either the single or two-seat version.  Whilst 
this is more complex than the Fokker D.VII, it is a first rate kit that goes 
together really well (except for the cabane struts).

Michael
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:28:33 -0600
From: "Dale Sebring" <alleluja@ida.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: New Guy
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