WWI Digest 2499 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: NKR Models. by "Matthew Bittner" 2) Lunacy by MAnde72343@aol.com 3) Re: Lunacy by "P. Howard" 4) Re: Lunacy by MAnde72343@aol.com 5) Re: Lunacy by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: Lunacy by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: Lunacy by MAnde72343@aol.com 8) Re: Lunacy by Albatrosdv@aol.com 9) Re: Lunacy by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Re: Lunacy by MAnde72343@aol.com 11) Albatros cook up by Dennis Ugulano 12) RE: Tennessee and Re: Dayton, Ohio Fly-in by "John Glaser" 13) 5 Color Spad Camo in Testors/Model Master Range by "cameron rile" 14) Re: Tennessee and Re: Dayton, Ohio Fly-in by Otisgood@aol.com 15) Re: Lunacy by Mike Kavanaugh 16) Re: 5 Color Spad Camo in Testors/Model Master Range by "Leonard Endy" 17) Finished one I can blab about by smperry@mindspring.com 18) Re: Summer slowdowns by "Len Smith" 19) Re: Finished one I can blab about by "Richard Eaton" 20) Re: 5 Color Spad Camo in Testors/Model Master Range by "Matthew Bittner" 21) Re: 5 Color Spad Camo in Testors/Model Master Range by "Matthew Bittner" 22) Re: Finished one I can blab about by "Matthew Bittner" 23) Re: Tennessee and Re: Dayton, Ohio Fly-in by Lee Mensinger 24) Some links by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 25) Re: SV: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style by "The Shannons" 26) Victoria Cross by "DAVID BURKE" 27) Re: SV: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style by "DAVID BURKE" 28) Re: Victoria Cross by "P. Howard" 29) Re: Victoria Cross by Ernest Thomas 30) Re: SV: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style by Albatrosdv@aol.com 31) Re: Lunacy by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:34:46 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: NKR Models. Message-ID: <200007290134.SAA26875@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:11:45 -0400 (EDT), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > Aviation Usk now here, in Nebraska. ;-) > > > Isn't that NebrUSKa? Nope. It's Aviation hUSKers... ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:11:55 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Lunacy Message-ID: <42.8d1bc48.26b3b38b@aol.com> Whew! the 27th must have been a full moon, I forgot to check the list that night, and when I checked my mailbox this morning, I had 137 messages waiting! 30 to 50, okay... I spent all my spare time today going thru the mess, trying to figure out what had everyone so worked up, or whatever (never did figure that one out, guess I'm slow) although the lamentable "judging"/"style" threads were coated with a mixture of nitro and cyanide (although having to watch a contestant curse violently at a judge for twenty minutes, before we could get the cops there to haul him away) I know there is some emotional overflow 'out there', (and apparently some 'in here' too) then... silence, has the infernal machine cast me out? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:19:19 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: <024401bff914$2b904300$459d8ece@phoward> Nah. The loons are still here. I'm just trying to figure out how to get the wrinkles in my fabric to look right... Paul H -----Original Message----- From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, July 28, 2000 11:15 PM Subject: Lunacy >Whew! the 27th must have been a full moon, I forgot to check the list that >night, and when I checked my mailbox this morning, I had 137 messages >waiting! 30 to 50, okay... I spent all my spare time today going thru the >mess, trying to figure out what had everyone so worked up, or whatever (never >did figure that one out, guess I'm slow) although the lamentable >"judging"/"style" threads were coated with a mixture of nitro and cyanide >(although having to watch a contestant curse violently at a judge for twenty >minutes, before we could get the cops there to haul him away) I know there is >some emotional overflow 'out there', (and apparently some 'in here' too) >then... silence, has the infernal machine cast me out? > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:32:33 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: FWIW, the best 'wrinkle maker' for figures is that Duro two part putty, use high test rubbing alcohol (90% or higher) for softening and smoothing, and keep your tools damp with regular (70%), the wrinkles stay 'sharp' with that stuff, and you can clean it off the kit with the high test, as long as you do it in the first hour and a half or so. It takes a little practice, but Hustad uses it on his figures, among others. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:11:19 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: <8e.86dd2db.26b3dd97@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/00 11:15:06 PM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << then... silence, has the infernal machine cast me out? >> The infernal machine discovered you are from Minnesota - you know what that means! They've found you out. It was bound to happen sooner or later, y'know, eh? :-) TC (Big Prairie Home Companion fan) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:12:42 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: <9d.8c960db.26b3ddea@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/00 11:20:59 PM EST, phoward@abilene.com writes: << I'm just trying to figure out how to get the wrinkles in my fabric to look right... >> Expose it to the Texan humidity - that used to wrinkle everything as I recall. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:16:03 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: <17.8eb4797.26b3deb3@aol.com> TC, now I know how you finish so many kits, yuo never sleep. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:35:23 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: <14.6fcdc5c.26b3e33b@aol.com> In a message dated 7/29/00 2:20:00 AM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << TC, now I know how you finish so many kits, yuo never sleep. Merrill >> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... huh??! What????!!! TC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:36:22 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: <11.717cfdb.26b3e376@aol.com> In a message dated 7/29/00 2:20:00 AM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << TC, now I know how you finish so many kits, yuo never sleep. Merrill >> You're the one wandering the net at 0230; me, I'm about to sleep off those three glasses of wine with dinner. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:50:21 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: <44.5e484fb.26b3e6bd@aol.com> I have migranes that keep me awake, but good night to you. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:34:14 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Albatros cook up Message-ID: <200007290834_MC2-ADF0-A4BC@compuserve.com> Everyone, Just a progress report on the Albatros D.IV. The wings are complete and decaled. The landing struts are on and painted. When they dry, I will rig this section and add the wheels. Then the tail surfaces and lower wings will be added. This may take place by tonight. I will be working on of my rare Saturdays today so not much more will be done today. The camera is in the shop but hopefully nothing serious is wrong. I did figure something out. The shots I took are great but they were monsters, up to 500k. Nothing I did in my Paint program would make them any smaller than 187k. I previous photos are around 45k. Then the light came on. I check the setting and I was shooting at 1600 x 1200 resolution on the fine setting. No wonder I could magnify a picture 6 times and the detail was absolutely clear. When the camera comes home, I will be changing the setting to bring the pictures down to the human range. I hope to have the D.IV complete by next weekend and submit my portion of the cook up. It's a fun project and will be an interesting addition to the collection. I've enjoyed the banter back and forth and the nice in progress work on the site. I just wish my camera had cooperated so I could have contributed. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:02:38 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Tennessee and Re: Dayton, Ohio Fly-in Message-ID: <000501bff95d$4676d190$8d00000a@jcgws> Unfortunately, no OT museums in the whole state per my handy museum guide. Closest thing might be the Staggerwing Museum Foundation in Tullahoma, where ever the heck that is! Book lists 10 staggerwing planes of various flavors. - JCG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of cameron rile Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Tennesee and Re: Dayton, Ohio Fly-in >This may be a little early but I'm wondering how many from the list are >planning on attending the WWI Fly-in at Dayton Sept. 29 to Oct. 1/2000. I most likely will make it there as I am only a spit away from Ohio now. I am going to be in Tennesee next week in the area of Knoxville/Chatanooga. Is there any WWI aviation content in museums/hobby shops down that way? I couldnt find any museums with WWI content from the Brooklyn CUNY site. cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:21:07 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 5 Color Spad Camo in Testors/Model Master Range Message-ID: <9610184A05564D115AC40005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> Does anyone have matches for the 5 color Spad camo in the Testors/Model Master range? I just painted the Spad with the colours I had and it ended up looking like an Australian Army Blackhawk. cam http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:19:56 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tennessee and Re: Dayton, Ohio Fly-in Message-ID: <54.7414f4e.26b433fc@aol.com> In a message dated 7/29/00 8:07:24 AM Central Daylight Time, Jasta11@pdq.net writes: > Unfortunately, no OT museums in the whole state per my handy museum guide. > Closest thing might be the Staggerwing Museum Foundation in Tullahoma, where > ever the heck that is! Book lists 10 staggerwing planes of various flavors. > Tennessee is pretty weak in aviation all around, especially OT subjects. No really good hobby shops or museums anywhere that I know of, although there may be a few in Memphis (there's a Naval Air Station in Millington and that usually draws some modelers). Tullahoma is about an hour southeast of Nashville off I-24. Nashville's hobby business is pathetic, especially for a metro area with a population of over 1 million. The only good hobby shop closed about 4 years ago when David Brizzard moved to Houston, TX to open Hobbies West. I hated to see him go (he introduced me to Eduard which got me back into the hobby), but he couldn't make a living here. I recommend the Houstonians on the list pay him a visit. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:26:26 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: <3982F7A2.AC774610@earthlink.net> Well, I'm glad The List' correspondence is back to normal. When I opened the email list this morning all I could see under the subject column was "Lunacy". :-) Mike K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:31:33 -0400 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 5 Color Spad Camo in Testors/Model Master Range Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:23:02 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Does anyone have matches for the 5 color Spad camo in the Testors/Model Master range? > >I just painted the Spad with the colours I had and it ended up looking like an Australian Army >Blackhawk. > > I have the info around here somewhere. Will get it posted later today unless someone else responds first. I do have a list of matches for Polly-Scale: Chestnut Brown: Polly Scale French Chestnut Brown (WW I) Dark Green: Polly Scale French Dark Green (WW I) Light Green: Polly Scale German RLM 83 Light Green Beige: Polly Scale British Middlestowe (Polly Scale "French Beige" is extremely light and does not match well at all with WW I 5-color Beige. Black: Polly Scale Scale Black Underside "Light Yellow": Polly Scale Doped Linen (WW I) This list came from Fernando Lamas. Len ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:39:14 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Finished one I can blab about Message-ID: <000d01bff973$26cba9e0$3d0d56d1@default> I just finished my Airfix Spad VII. It is done as a Dux built machine in early Red Navy colors circa 1919. http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/s7.htm It was built mostly OOB for a client in Va. The markings were from a Blue Rider decal sheet The washboard wings the kit is so notorious for were not so bad. A bit of Testors red mixed with lacquer thinner and painted on then sanded smooth yielded a very acceptable set of wings. This is the 4th Spad n a row for me. The Other 3 are for IM articles at various points in the future. I am quite over Spads for a spell. Now on to My Albatros. All the parts are cut out and sanded. Assembly will begin with a scratch cockpit . I'l take it as it comes from there, sp http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/s7.htm E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:38:38 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Summer slowdowns Message-ID: <000b01bff974$d8b004c0$e8857ed4@mesh> Matt, I think you were unlucky with your kit of the Spad XIII. Mine is warp free and appears to be OK for fit, although I haven't yet built it. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Summer slowdowns > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:17:03 -0400 (EDT), Len Smith wrote: > > > Is the Spad XIII for a review or can you say what is wrong with it? > > It is for review, but head this warning: warp/bad fit city. So far > the worse model I've worked on (yes, even worse than a certain D.VI... > ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:55:25 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: Finished one I can blab about Message-ID: <003f01bff975$69d01e40$ac191b18@austin.rr.com> Nice job Steve! I love how those wings turned out. My VII looks like a corrugated box sitting on the shelf. I like the markings you chose. Forth SPAD. Man, take a break and do another Ilya! Regards, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: Finished one I can blab about > I just finished my Airfix Spad VII. It is done as a Dux built machine in > early Red Navy colors circa 1919. > > http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/s7.htm > > It was built mostly OOB for a client in Va. The markings were from a Blue > Rider decal sheet > > The washboard wings the kit is so notorious for were not so bad. A bit of > Testors red mixed with lacquer thinner and painted on then sanded smooth > yielded a very acceptable set of wings. > > This is the 4th Spad n a row for me. The Other 3 are for IM articles at > various points in the future. I am quite over Spads for a spell. > > Now on to My Albatros. All the parts are cut out and sanded. Assembly will > begin with a scratch cockpit . I'l take it as it comes from there, > > sp > > > > > http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/s7.htm > E-mail smperry@mindspring.com > Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:22:16 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 5 Color Spad Camo in Testors/Model Master Range Message-ID: <200007291621.JAA10130@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:23:10 -0400 (EDT), cameron rile wrote: > Does anyone have matches for the 5 color Spad camo in the Testors/Model Master range? If someone does, please CC me and I'll add it to the French site. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:23:44 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 5 Color Spad Camo in Testors/Model Master Range Message-ID: <200007291623.JAA13592@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:34:05 -0400 (EDT), Leonard Endy wrote: > I do have a list of matches for Polly-Scale: Don't forget you can always find the Polly Scale matches on the WW1 site, specifically my French pages. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:25:27 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Finished one I can blab about Message-ID: <200007291624.JAA17528@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:40:16 -0400 (EDT), smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > I just finished my Airfix Spad VII. It is done as a Dux built machine in > early Red Navy colors circa 1919. Very well done! Looks very nice, and the wings did come out decent. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:36:15 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tennessee and Re: Dayton, Ohio Fly-in Message-ID: <398307FF.A7BC62@x25.net> Dave Brizzard is and was a good friend. He moved to the Nashville area from San Antonio, Tx. He was a member of Alamo Squadron club in SA and ran a Hobby Shop with a partner. He was smarter than the other guy. A good place to shop. Houston is Modeler friendly. They have several good shops and several Museums as well. Include Galveston in your tour. Houston is a good place to visit but nasty traffic flow and watch for speed traps. Especially if you have a nice looking car. I got a ticket while being passed by aging black Honda. The limit was 60 on an expressway and the Officer said I was doing 71. My GPS said I was going 64. Over yes. Not what he claimed and the Honda was going faster than I was. If you come in from the North watch out for Patton TX. They are really bad. In fact notorious is the better word. David likes books and tries to stock a good number of them. He also likes to get them first if he can. Lee M. Otisgood@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/29/00 8:07:24 AM Central Daylight Time, Jasta11@pdq.net > writes: > > > Unfortunately, no OT museums in the whole state per my handy museum guide. > > Closest thing might be the Staggerwing Museum Foundation in Tullahoma, > where > > ever the heck that is! Book lists 10 staggerwing planes of various > flavors. > > > Tennessee is pretty weak in aviation all around, especially OT subjects. No > really good hobby shops or museums anywhere that I know of, although there > may be a few in Memphis (there's a Naval Air Station in Millington and that > usually draws some modelers). Tullahoma is about an hour southeast of > Nashville off I-24. Nashville's hobby business is pathetic, especially for a > metro area with a population of over 1 million. The only good hobby shop > closed about 4 years ago when David Brizzard moved to Houston, TX to open > Hobbies West. I hated to see him go (he introduced me to Eduard which got me > back into the hobby), but he couldn't make a living here. I recommend the > Houstonians on the list pay him a visit. > > Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:38:47 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Some links Message-ID: <200007291638.SAA51107@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, Would just like to let you know about a web page for Belgian BAHA www.baha.2-be.net has a lot of OT stuff including pictures of Belgian Gotha GV and other captured German aircraft as well as more well known stuff. Site is multilingual, including English. There are even some Farman F.40 pictures like the one we discussed earlier. On Hannants page for new arrivals, if you click on the FVM J23 link, you end up with a scan of a more OT model from Daedalus: The Thulin D which was the very first Finish military aircraft as well as military and civilian use in Sweden. (Decals for both). It was a more or less direct copy of the Morane Saulnier Type L I have another Daedalus kit (J6 Jaktfalk) and it is a real beauty. Maybe some of our Swedish list members can add a bit more to this, unless they are too busy reading a new book called "Kronmarkt". That is a well illustrated review of markings and paint schemes on Swedish military aircraft from before WW1 to the SAAB Gripen. Interesting to see that the use of lozenge fabric didn`t end in 1918, some of their floatplanes had a three colour lozenge applied. If interested in that book, check the publisher AoH at www.hobby.se Glad to see the number of Scandinavian listmembers increase, we Norwegians try to visit the IPMS nationals in Sweden and Denmark, sometimes we return with trophies, but we always have a good time. I will be working offshore the Shetland Islands from Tuesday, can usually access the digests from my workplace and follow your discussions. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:02:38 -0500 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: SV: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style Message-ID: <006d01bff97e$d3c40e20$d1a38ad1@shark> "Verlinden Style" is a method of painting figures and armor (originally) so that the impression of weathering and light incident direction are clear under any viewing conditions. This meant that shadows are strong, with a lot of fade out effect to very bright highlights. In talented hands, it is a very effective style for dioramas and other models that are intended to 'tell a story'. It was presented in many how-to books as THE WAY to go, however, and many who have less talent with it, or less artistic sense, have a tendency to present tanks and figure models that look like they have been outlined with pale paint that go into abyssal depths. In many ways, it is a variation of the methods that traditional artists use to paint flat canvasses. Various amounts of black or white are added to portions of the base paint, allowing a gradation in the base tone, bright colors are made to 'pop-out' of duller backgrounds by means of dulling the surrounding beyond what it would normally be. In aircraft, it means that panel lines get painted with a border -- an effect making the panel look framed -- to the main color, which is faded. Markings are faded into the background to try and give an overall faded, weathered look. Well done, with a light hand, it can give a hyper-realistic impression -- panels that might not be distinguishable at scale viewing distances on the real one are clearly visible and the overall monotone of large areas of the same color is avoided. Overdone, it makes the aircraft look like something that has sat out in Pima, Arizona for fifty years, dripping oil, except that the edges of the panels are still near their original color. I don't think aircraft, tanks, or figures look like that under any circumstances. It may help to make the model 'more interesting', especially under the rather poor lighting in most model show halls, but it is not a 'realistic presentation of the original' that I try for. On the other hand, tastes vary. .Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nate Smars To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 3:39 PM Subject: Re: SV: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFF8A9.656A73E0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I hope I don't sound stupid, but just what is this "Verlinden" style = > that everyone seems to dislike so much? > > The always inquisitive newbie > -Nate=20 > > ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFF8A9.656A73E0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
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Very interesting stuff, from Mick Mannock (a personal favorite: looked a little like Johnny Rotten, and died the true tragic hero's death after suffering the premonitions of his death to come - a TRUE Irishman) to Lanoe Hawker and Albert Ball, to Billy Bishop and the fact that no one seems to be able to substantiate his claims. I heartily recommend it to all, and there are even some good pics in it. The other book I got was called 'Les Cicnoges', and it's all about that bunch, but I haven't finished reading it yet. What made that book appealing was that I had spoken to some French folks when I was there. 'Guynemer' and 'Nungesser' were both streets in New Orleans to me before I heard them spoken by Frenchmen. When pronounced by a Gallic tongue, the names roll out with a reverent sound that is unmistakeable to this day, like we might speak of Rickenbacker, or Yeager, or Bud Anderson, but in French is sounds... 'cooler'! Have a happy! DB Who is again weaving a seat - for his 1/48 D.H.2! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:21:06 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: SV: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style Message-ID: <007801bff981$62b21a80$5487aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >"Verlinden Style" is a method of painting figures and armor (originally) so >that the impression of weathering and light incident direction are clear >under any viewing conditions. This meant that shadows are strong, with a >lot of fade out effect to very bright highlights. > >In talented hands, it is a very effective style for dioramas and other >models that are intended to 'tell a story'. It was presented in many how-to >books as THE WAY to go, however, and many who have less talent with it, or >less artistic sense, have a tendency to present tanks and figure models that >look like they have been outlined with pale paint that go into abyssal >depths. > >In many ways, it is a variation of the methods that traditional artists use >to paint flat canvasses. Various amounts of black or white are added to >portions of the base paint, allowing a gradation in the base tone, bright >colors are made to 'pop-out' of duller backgrounds by means of dulling the >surrounding beyond what it would normally be. > >In aircraft, it means that panel lines get painted with a border -- an >effect making the panel look framed -- to the main color, which is faded. >Markings are faded into the background to try and give an overall faded, >weathered look. Well done, with a light hand, it can give a hyper-realistic >impression -- panels that might not be distinguishable at scale viewing >distances on the real one are clearly visible and the overall monotone of >large areas of the same color is avoided. Overdone, it makes the aircraft >look like something that has sat out in Pima, Arizona for fifty years, >dripping oil, except that the edges of the panels are still near their >original color. > >I don't think aircraft, tanks, or figures look like that under any >circumstances. It may help to make the model 'more interesting', especially >under the rather poor lighting in most model show halls, but it is not a >'realistic presentation of the original' that I try for. On the other hand, >tastes vary. > >.Mark. Verlinden is highly overrated. Products and the 'style'. Look at the WW2 tables and see what wins: those planes with full, ultra-grimy outlines and rust all over them. Show me a photo of a plane that looks that bad and I'll show you a plane captain who is about to be busted down to Airman 2nd class for abandoning his duties! Even on front-line and heavily-used A/C, the effect is not that over-pronounced. Planes SHOULD show the effects of weather, but should never look like they have flown thru a mud-storm UNLESSS THE MODEL DEPICTS A PLANE THAT HAS JUST LANDED AT A FORWARD AIR FIELD. Even then, it would be quickly wiped down to improve top speed and performance. Oh Well, whatever. DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:39:38 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: Victoria Cross Message-ID: <004501bff983$fc0ff740$879d8ece@phoward> >DB > >Who is again weaving a seat - for his 1/48 D.H.2! Dave, I see the madness is speading... Just rememer to use the force. BTW, I'll be witing for pictures. Paul H ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:33:23 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Victoria Cross Message-ID: <39832373.56BE7AFF@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > Mick Mannock (a > personal favorite: looked a little like Johnny Rotten, You've noticed that too? E. I'm on a submarine mission for you baby... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:32:50 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SV: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style Message-ID: In a message dated 7/29/00 12:22:23 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << Show me a photo of a plane that looks that bad and I'll show you a plane captain who is about to be busted down to Airman 2nd class for abandoning his duties! >> Almost every modeler I know who has *any* experience around 1:1s has argued themselves blue in the face with the pothunters over this point. I remember talking to a Brit modeler who had a "weathered" USN 1930s airplane displayed in a magazine - I told him the plane captain would be up for a court-martial for that and the leading Chief would have had him on extra duty for a month. Reminds me that when I was in the USN, I was aboard a couple RN ships and was amazed at the level of dirtiness - quite frankly the only ships with worse I ever saw were those Russian rustbuckets. TC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:36:51 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lunacy Message-ID: <6b.7a68c1f.26b47e43@aol.com> In a message dated 7/29/00 2:53:01 AM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << I have migranes that keep me awake >> Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Thank God the past 5 years after I ran across a chiropractor who saw how bad my back was and took to time to work on it with me, the pain has gone and I have some strength in my pelvis. Sometimes it isn't "all in your head," believe me. TC ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2499 **********************