WWI Digest 2491 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) SV: That semi-gloss finish by "Neil Crawford" 2) SV: Polished Paint by "Neil Crawford" 3) RE: the IPMS style by "Neil Crawford" 4) Re: by David Fleming 5) RE: Lone Star Nie.28 p/e by "dfernet0" 6) Re: the IPMS style by David Fleming 7) Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style by "dfernet0" 8) Re: Pomilio PE info by "Alberto Casirati" 9) first sharkmouth (wasRe: SV: That semi-gloss finish) by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: awards etc. by "Michael Kendix" 11) Re: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style by Peter Leonard 12) New images by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re: awards etc. by David Fleming 14) Re: Polished Paint by Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com 15) Re: Leptien Albatros by "Limon3" 16) Re: Leptien Albatros by "Lance Krieg" 17) Re: Leptien Albatros by "Matt Bittner" 18) Re: Leptien Albatros by "Lance Krieg" 19) Re: Leptien Albatros by "Dale Beamish" 20) Page fixed by "Matt Bittner" 21) Re: awards etc. by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 22) Re: SV: by Albatrosdv@aol.com 23) Re: SV: Polished Paint by BEN8800@aol.com 24) Re: That semi-gloss finish by MAnde72343@aol.com 25) Re: awards etc. by David Fleming 26) Re: Polished Paint by "DAVID BURKE" 27) Salop. was: Re: awards etc. by "Sharon Henderson" 28) Re: SV: by MAnde72343@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:41:06 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: SV: That semi-gloss finish Message-ID: <200007271104.NAA03935@mb03.swip.net> In the latest Windsock there is a very shiny fish-scaled Ni27, rather nice, is it the first shark-mouth? /Neil ---------- > There is some film footage of new Albatros fuselages being wheeled through the factory and these things are absolutley mirror-slick. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:52:07 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: SV: Polished Paint Message-ID: <200007271104.NAA03966@mb03.swip.net> One of Swedens best modellers (Peter May) always used matt paint that he polished, it worked great for him, I tried it but I thought it wasn't worth the hassle. But on aircraft with a high-gloss finish like racers I use it and like it, because it in fact takes off a little bit of the shine, which is more "scale-effect" realistic, it also makes a better surface, and somehow mellows the finish Neil ---------- > Från: BEN8800@aol.com > Till: Multiple recipients of list > Ämne: Polished Paint > Datum: den 27 juli 2000 01:09 > > OK gang, now this can be an OT or an ot subject, so don't jump on me. What I > would like to know is your experiences "polishing" paint, either sprayed or > brushed. Let's assume we paint with Testors enamels. Now I have been a > Floquil painter for years and usually flats, so polishing has not been > required, or at least I did not think so. However, I am now considering the > use of more glossy paints like Testor's. I feel, and based on what I have > seen over the years, that these paints will be better if "polished". > Something like the use of tooth paste or wet talcum powder to smooth the > finish. I assume that if the paint is gloss, tooth paste will give it a semi > gloss finish, but will tend to give it a smoother surface, reducing the > "bulk" that seems to appear in glossy paints like Testor's. Any comments on > this would be appreciated. > > Along this line, I think Scale Modeler Magazine will feature an article next > month on this very subject. > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:00:24 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: RE: the IPMS style Message-ID: <200007271104.NAA04222@mb03.swip.net> I absolutely agree with you, its a disease and its spreading, luckily you don't see it in OT modelling, but all too often at competions, and they often win too. The UK Scale Models magazine has been somewhat responsible for spreading the myth that if you spray black paint round all the panel-lines before painting it will look more realistic, like hell it does. Sorry about ranting but this really upsets me. Nothing to do with IPMS though, its not their fault. /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:43:02 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Message-ID: <397FF615.9FB7E25@dial.pipex.com> Michael Kendix wrote: > I still like the idea of awarding for reaching a given standard as they do > at the English Nationals. For the ultra-competitive (if you must be that > way), you can still say "I beat you because I received a 'Highly Commended' > and you received a mere 'Commended' " but then there wouldn't be this > business of having to decide which was better per se. A brilliant fourth > place effort would get its just reward, as would a not-so-brilliant first > place effort. > Well, they don't actually do that at the IPMS-UK (Note - NOT England !!) Nationals. The Model engineering Exhibition (Or whatever it's called these adys) has a system based on that, so you can have an entry where no one 'wins', but some get silver medals. The IPMS -UK nationals has a Class Winner, and at the judges discretion they can award HC & C to models that they think deserve recognition. There is a rule that allows for no award of a class winner in classes with very few entrants, but I oppose that on the principle that the rules of the competition allow any member to enter, so someone should have a 'Best in Class' award if their model is the best entered in that class. For someone to say 'That model is not good enough to win at the Nationals' is snobbery. If someone takes the trouble to enter a class, and no one else bothers, why shouldn't he/she win ? You either have an 'open' entry, or you have a competition based on fixed standards. If people don't like what they see as being a poorp model win, then the answer is simple - enter something better yourself !! Rant mode against Model Snobbery off !! David (And before anyone asks, I've never been penalised in this way, so have no personal axe to grind !! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:10:42 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Lone Star Nie.28 p/e Message-ID: <00f001bff7bb$4dddf4c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil IIRC, rotary engines doesn't need exhaust "pipes" since they relieve the internal pressure thru valve openings at the cylinder heads, along with used oil, that's why they're called "total loss" engines. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Crawford To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: SV: Lone Star Nie.28 p/e > Pity I've just finished the cockpit of my Ni28 without this, incidentally > I've > just been looking at the 160hp Monosoupape, it doesn't seem to have any > exhaust pipes!? How does that work? > /Neil > ---------- > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:18:45 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: the IPMS style Message-ID: <39801A95.770538E@dial.pipex.com> Neil Crawford wrote: > I absolutely agree with you, its a disease and its spreading, luckily you > don't see it in OT modelling, but all too often at competions, and they > often win too. The UK Scale Models magazine has been somewhat responsible > for spreading the myth that if you spray black paint round all the > panel-lines before painting it will look more realistic, like hell it does. And others. It works when done subtely on the odd panel - particularly opening ones, where it can give a 'used' look. But too many are doing all over. so we get a nice 'even' weather. real aircraft don't do that. > > Sorry about > ranting but this really upsets me. Nothing to do with IPMS though, its not > their fault. > And me. We see a row of identically weathered models. The justification for it is that, artistically & aesthetically it looks better than a plain finish. In some ways it's just another variation on the old 'artistic work' or 'scale replica' debate. David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:21:09 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style Message-ID: <00f801bff7bc$c3e5e8c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil That's something I have noted on spanish modellers as well, and I talk about it because the most usual modelling magazine to be found around here are from Spain. Superbly crafted models, but they tend to be stained more than weathered! Same goes with figures, the excuse is that if the modeler doesn't exaggerate the highlights and the shades the overal impression is that the model will look flat. I'd rather have a flat model than a stained piece of plastic! Once I'd read an article of the construction of a 1/48 Fokker DVII in one of those Spanish magazines. Everything went excellent until the paint job, the writer shaded the "valleys" between ribs and put black panel lines around the tailplane!!!!! That's why I don't buy that magazine anymore... ;-) D. PS: unfortunately, the trend has spreaded to most of the modellers around here as well, since I saw such lack of subtleness in the last model contest I visited (1999) ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Crawford To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:13 AM Subject: RE: the IPMS style > I absolutely agree with you, its a disease and its spreading, luckily you > don't see it in OT modelling, but all too often at competions, and they > often win too. The UK Scale Models magazine has been somewhat responsible > for spreading the myth that if you spray black paint round all the > panel-lines before painting it will look more realistic, like hell it does. > Sorry about > ranting but this really upsets me. Nothing to do with IPMS though, its not > their fault. > /Neil > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:36:01 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Pomilio PE info Message-ID: <00f301bff7be$d7ef62e0$320106c0@acasirat> Dear Cameron, the picture shown by The Aerodrome web site is of Pomilio PE 18502 of 28a Squadriglia, Aeronautica del Regio Esercito, Malcontenta, October 1918. Please note that the fuselage roundel had a red spot and a very thin white outer ring (almost invisible on the screen) and that the white diagonal fuselage band was also painted over the fuselage rear decking, although I cannot determine in what manner. Hope this is of some interest. All the best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:30:17 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: first sharkmouth (wasRe: SV: That semi-gloss finish) Message-ID: <200007271140.EAA27315@mail.rapidnet.net> Sounds like the USAS training aircraft. . Sharkmouths were on Roland C.IIs, Sopwith Dolphin and undoubtely others earlier. Bob ---------- >From: "Neil Crawford" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: SV: That semi-gloss finish >Date: Thu, Jul 27, 2000, 4:10 am > > In the latest Windsock there is a very shiny fish-scaled Ni27, rather nice, > is it the first shark-mouth? > /Neil > > ---------- >> There is some film footage of new Albatros fuselages being wheeled > through > the factory and these things are absolutley mirror-slick. > RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:41:40 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: awards etc. Message-ID: <20000727124140.96649.qmail@hotmail.com> David: > >Well, they don't actually do that at the IPMS-UK (Note - NOT >England!!) >Nationals. Having lived the first 24 years of my life in Edgware, Middlesex, I understand the difference between the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and "England". I was confused because I thought there was a Scotish Nationals and the Nationals are always held in Telford, Shropshire (why is the abbreviation Salop. anyway? Saxon?). >The Model engineering Exhibition (Or whatever it's called these adys) >has a system based on that, so you can have an entry where no one >'wins', >but some get silver medals. > >The IPMS -UK nationals has a Class Winner, and at the judges >discretion >they can award HC & C to models that they think deserve >recognition. There >is a rule that allows for no award of a class >winner in classes with very >few entrants, These are a reasonable compromise between the U.S. "ranking" system and judging to a fixed standard. One day I hope to visit the UK Nationals in Telford. One day. Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:03:02 +0100 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Too much paint! WAS: the IPMS style Message-ID: <39803306.872081E1@cwcom.net> The first time I came across "Verlindenisation" was at the 1973 model engineer exhibition. No one had heared of him untill then and he had 3 models on display. They caused a sensation because they looked so different, I thought they looked like they were made out of marzipan. I like marzipan, but not as a modelling material. I did think however that he had hit on something, it just needed to be toned down. At the moment the trend is to lay it on with a trowel, but it'll swing back the other way in time. Peter L just a dumb modeler dfernet0 wrote: > Neil > That's something I have noted on spanish modellers as well, and I talk about > it because the most usual modelling magazine to be found around here are > from Spain. Superbly crafted models, but they tend to be stained more than > weathered! Same goes with figures, the excuse is that if the modeler doesn't > exaggerate the highlights and the shades the overal impression is that the > model will look flat. I'd rather have a flat model than a stained piece of > plastic! > Once I'd read an article of the construction of a 1/48 Fokker DVII in one of > those Spanish magazines. Everything went excellent until the paint job, the > writer shaded the "valleys" between ribs and put black panel lines around > the tailplane!!!!! > That's why I don't buy that magazine anymore... ;-) > D. > PS: unfortunately, the trend has spreaded to most of the modellers around > here as well, since I saw such lack of subtleness in the last model contest > I visited (1999) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neil Crawford > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:13 AM > Subject: RE: the IPMS style > > > I absolutely agree with you, its a disease and its spreading, luckily you > > don't see it in OT modelling, but all too often at competions, and they > > often win too. The UK Scale Models magazine has been somewhat responsible > > for spreading the myth that if you spray black paint round all the > > panel-lines before painting it will look more realistic, like hell it > does. > > Sorry about > > ranting but this really upsets me. Nothing to do with IPMS though, its not > > their fault. > > /Neil > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:27:21 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New images Message-ID: <200007271327.GAA28391@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Finally! I just added Neil Crawford's images of some excellent 1/72nd models. The best - I think - are his SPADs 11 and 16. Well done Neil, and sorry it took so long! Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:41:03 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: awards etc. Message-ID: <398049FF.64F84FDF@dial.pipex.com> Michael Kendix wrote: > David: > > > > >Well, they don't actually do that at the IPMS-UK (Note - NOT >England!!) > >Nationals. > > Having lived the first 24 years of my life in Edgware, Middlesex, I > understand the difference between the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and > Northern Ireland" and "England". I was confused because I thought there was > a Scotish Nationals and the Nationals are always held in Telford, Shropshire > (why is the abbreviation Salop. anyway? Saxon?). The Scottish Show is the Scottish Nats, the Shropshire one is THE Nats (All UK). Sorry, I'm sometimes a bit sensitive !! As for why Salop, my understanding is that it is based on the old County name of what is now Shropshire. A firend works for the local council, which is now Telford & Wrekin. Bit like why is Worcestershire pronounced Wooster, or Milngavie Millguy ! The English language - we only steal form everybody !! david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:39:14 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Polished Paint Message-ID: Howdy! I have Novus plastic polish on harder paints such as enamel and laquers. I haven't had good luck polishing acrylic (children's) paint. Later! Brent PS: Ben, congratulations on the Constitution being released. It looks great! I am currently working on the wife for a purchase requisition for one! BEN8800@aol.com@pease1.sr.unh.edu on 07/26/2000 06:11:08 PM Please respond to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Sent by: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu To: Multiple recipients of list cc: Subject: Polished Paint OK gang, now this can be an OT or an ot subject, so don't jump on me. What I would like to know is your experiences "polishing" paint, either sprayed or brushed. Let's assume we paint with Testors enamels. Now I have been a Floquil painter for years and usually flats, so polishing has not been required, or at least I did not think so. However, I am now considering the use of more glossy paints like Testor's. I feel, and based on what I have seen over the years, that these paints will be better if "polished". Something like the use of tooth paste or wet talcum powder to smooth the finish. I assume that if the paint is gloss, tooth paste will give it a semi gloss finish, but will tend to give it a smoother surface, reducing the "bulk" that seems to appear in glossy paints like Testor's. Any comments on this would be appreciated. Along this line, I think Scale Modeler Magazine will feature an article next month on this very subject. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:14:33 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Leptien Albatros Message-ID: <002d01bff7dd$5f844400$7fbf113f@f4w2s5> Thanks for the info Marc. It looks like a real task, but I'll give it a try. Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Marc Flake To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Leptien Albatros >Gabe: > >The web address for the UTD World of Aviation Collection is: >http://www.utdallas.edu/library/special/ww1col.html > >It may help if you give them the Jasta number. > >If you surf the site, you will notice how they have things organized. >The photo may be in one of the Albatros boxes, or it may be in a Jasta >box. You may also want to surf through the albums in The Ferko >Collection Part 2 to see if a photo may be in there. They also have an >extensive collection of books. If you konw the photo is in a spcific >book, that would help, too. > >You'll find that most of the wait will be for the photographer to take >the picture. > >Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:40:16 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Leptien Albatros Message-ID: It would appear that the provenance for the Leptien Albatros leads back to Alex Imrie's booklet on German Fighter Units, 1917-1918, right? If so, wouldn't a more productive search begin with Mr. Imrie? Has anyone ever seen ANY photos of the Jasta (63? 64? I'm at work...) planes marked with the big black diamonds? This plane is on my "to build" list, too... I'd like to think it once existed. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:42:42 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Leptien Albatros Message-ID: <200007271543.IAA05023@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:44:20 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote: > It would appear that the provenance for the Leptien Albatros leads back to Alex Imrie's booklet on German Fighter Units, 1917-1918, right? > > If so, wouldn't a more productive search begin with Mr. Imrie? Best of luck with that one. > Has anyone ever seen ANY photos of the Jasta (63? 64? I'm at work...) planes marked with the big black diamonds? Yes, there's one in the new Albatros aces book. It's not Leptien, but one's in there. > This plane is on my "to build" list, too... I'd like to think it once existed. I would think so. Why else profile it, even a part of it? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:55:14 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Leptien Albatros Message-ID: Matt asks: " Why else profile it, even a part of it [if it didn't exist]?" Because it looks cool, and it wouldn't be the first time that imagination overcame historical accuracy. I'm still interested in the blue/yellow Jasta 11 Alb as illustrated in the collection Dave Burke photographed in Dallas. The modeler had pictures to support the scheme, but how he determined the colors to be blue/yellow as opposed to yellow/blue, or black/white is something of a mystery. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:56:14 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Leptien Albatros Message-ID: <001301bff7e3$6aaca740$b337b8a1@darcy> If this is the one with a "J" on the side I believe this belonged to Leutnant Martin Johns, Jasta 63, the units high scorer with 7 victories. Anyone have a picture of this "J"? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 27 July, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Leptien Albatros > It would appear that the provenance for the Leptien Albatros leads back to Alex Imrie's booklet on German Fighter Units, 1917-1918, right? > > If so, wouldn't a more productive search begin with Mr. Imrie? > > Has anyone ever seen ANY photos of the Jasta (63? 64? I'm at work...) planes marked with the big black diamonds? > > This plane is on my "to build" list, too... I'd like to think it once existed. > > Lance > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:12:08 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Page fixed Message-ID: <200007271612.JAA06804@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> A few people have brought to my attention that some of the links and sorts on Jean-Baptiste's pages were broke and not working. Well, those have been fixed. Thanks to those who let me know about this. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:58:03 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: awards etc. Message-ID: Michael wrote: I was confused because I thought there was a Scotish Nationals and the Nationals are always held in Telford, Shropshire (why is the abbreviation Salop. anyway? Saxon?). Salop from the latin (I think) Salopia. God only knows what it means. I used to go to school there, the school's anthem (appalling drone) was called Floreat Salopia). Of course not being into models at the time I missed out on five opportunities to attend the nationals in telford. grumble. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:45:01 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SV: Message-ID: <97.8b252c9.26b1c10d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/00 6:06:44 AM EST, neil.crawford@swipnet.se writes: << Stuff the judges, let them learn how real aircraft look, eventually they will. Best regards Neil >> It's certainly nice to see that this group is composed of *modelers* rather than *muddlers,* and the fact that the comments on "IPMS style" are coming from around the planet - as they did at the HyperScale discussion - shows it's not just a hardhead from La-la Land who's upset. TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:33:01 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SV: Polished Paint Message-ID: <61.5bf4ee7.26b1cc4d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/00 7:10:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, neil.crawford@swipnet.se writes: << One of Swedens best modellers (Peter May) always used matt paint that he polished, it worked great for him, I tried it but I thought it wasn't worth the hassle. But on aircraft with a high-gloss finish like racers I use it and like it, because it in fact takes off a little bit of the shine, which is more "scale-effect" realistic, it also makes a better surface, and somehow mellows the finish Neil >> Great, but what do you use to polish the paint - plastic polish, tooth paste, talc, or what? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:43:58 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: That semi-gloss finish Message-ID: If you read the Mikesh book on the Albatros, a FLAT clear dope was supposed to be the topcoat for the fabric covered parts; something similar was specified for the Pfalz- even the silbergrau ones were sprayed overall flat; and the convention of "scale effect" says that you use less gloss as you get smaller. Future covered planes look to me like modern airliner livery; even though I know that, period aircraft,especially rotary engined planes, soon got an overall coat of castor oil once in operation. I vary my finishes from dead flat to Polly Scale Semigloss, with fabric covered parts generally 'flatter' than the wood and metal parts. Additionally, early paints did not have UV protection as modern formulations do, and so would tend to go flat, or flatter, as soon as they were exposed to sunlight Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:23:10 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: awards etc. Message-ID: <39807E0D.FC1FE0EA@dial.pipex.com> > Salop from the latin (I think) Salopia. God only knows what it means. > I used to go to school there, the school's anthem (appalling drone) was > called Floreat Salopia). > Of course not being into models at the time I missed out on five > opportunities to attend the nationals in telford. grumble. > Don't grumble - it's only been in Telford twice (98 & 99), prior to that it was Donnington, then Peterborough (91) and before that Stoneleigh. David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:40:33 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Polished Paint Message-ID: <007401bff7fa$84d80ee0$db95aec7@dora9sprynet.com> As I've said before, Detail Master makes and markets a series of polishing cloths that begin around 1500 grit and got to 12000. You polish grade by grade, and you can take the flattest paint and turn it into a mirror gloss using this system. Also works great on clear parts too. Runs about $20. Look in the car modeller section. DB -----Original Message----- From: Neil Crawford To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 6:10 AM Subject: SV: Polished Paint >One of Swedens best modellers (Peter May) always used matt paint >that he polished, it worked great for him, I tried it but I thought it >wasn't >worth the hassle. But on aircraft with a high-gloss finish like racers I >use >it and like it, because it in fact takes off a little bit of the shine, >which is >more "scale-effect" realistic, it also makes a better surface, and somehow >mellows the finish >Neil >---------- >> Från: BEN8800@aol.com >> Till: Multiple recipients of list >> Ämne: Polished Paint >> Datum: den 27 juli 2000 01:09 >> >> OK gang, now this can be an OT or an ot subject, so don't jump on me. >What I >> would like to know is your experiences "polishing" paint, either sprayed >or >> brushed. Let's assume we paint with Testors enamels. Now I have been a >> Floquil painter for years and usually flats, so polishing has not been >> required, or at least I did not think so. However, I am now considering >the >> use of more glossy paints like Testor's. I feel, and based on what I have > >> seen over the years, that these paints will be better if "polished". >> Something like the use of tooth paste or wet talcum powder to smooth the >> finish. I assume that if the paint is gloss, tooth paste will give it a >semi >> gloss finish, but will tend to give it a smoother surface, reducing the >> "bulk" that seems to appear in glossy paints like Testor's. Any comments >on >> this would be appreciated. >> >> Along this line, I think Scale Modeler Magazine will feature an article >next >> month on this very subject. >> >> Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:41:26 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Salop. was: Re: awards etc. Message-ID: <200007271855.OAA08279@minion.netpolicy.com> David, Salop is indeed from the Latin, Salopia, which is what the Romans called modern Shropshire. :-) It has to do with the fact that there was a lot of salt to be mined there in the bad old days. http://www.shropshire.enta.net/name.htm "What's In A Name? The oldest recorded name for the county is Scrobbescire, meaning "the shire belonging to Scrobbesbyrig". Scrobbesbyrig was the Saxon name for Shrewsbury. Following the Norman Conquest, it became known as Salopscire and Shrewsbury became Salopesbiry. The word Salop survived as the name for the county from the middle ages right up until 1st March 1980, when it was altered to Shropshire. You will, however, still hear many a Salopian refer to Shrewsbury as Salop." Which is a whole heck of a lot more than you ever wanted to know, I have no doubt.... :-) Sharon ---------- >> Salop from the latin (I think) Salopia. God only knows what it means. >> I used to go to school there, the school's anthem (appalling drone) was >> called Floreat Salopia). >> Of course not being into models at the time I missed out on five >> opportunities to attend the nationals in telford. grumble. >> > > Don't grumble - it's only been in Telford twice (98 & 99), prior to that it was > Donnington, then Peterborough (91) and before that Stoneleigh. > > David > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:49:48 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SV: Message-ID: <4a.8bdebb1.26b1de4c@aol.com> STYLE: what is it? Hard to say, but most artists develop a way of dealing with certain aspects of color, light, composition, and, etc., that they like, and stick with them, that is very simplified, a definition of 'style.' That certain styles become fashionable is undeniable, it happens in ALMOST EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE, from product packaging to autos to music, and ETC,ETC,ETC... One of the best figure painters in the country, IMHO, is Mike Bedard who regularly won only silver awards, because his personal style WAS IN OPPOSITION TO THE CURRENT "FASHIONABLE" style (in figures that is based on the style of Bill Horan). Mike, a hobbyist, is also serious about his art, and has not modified his style, which he feels is right, to suit fashion. Until quite recently, the figure types did not honor him with top awards, because of his 'style,' despite the excellence of this work, because to the "them" it didn't look quite 'right.' I wrote this down because what some of you are bitching about is an aspect of human nature, not some dark plot, or overpowering ignorance, it is the tendency in arts, all of them, to recognize 'conventions' really the current consensus on what 'representations' of whatever should look like; this is not even a conscious act it is just what most people , unconsciously expect to see. Hope you get the idea, this is a complex subject. Merrill ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2491 **********************