WWI Digest 2487 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) How is the judging done? by "Neil Crawford" 2) SV: Pomolio info by "Neil Crawford" 3) Judging: What comes around.. by David Fleming 4) Re: New images by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: New images by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Was - Re: New images - now: DB's new models by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Hey, you armor guys!!! by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Merlin (Was Roden Dr.I - Merlin remarks) by "Bob Pearson" 9) RE: Answer to your judging problems by Shane Weier 10) Re: Hustad's winning figure by Zulis@aol.com 11) Re: Was - Re: New images - now: DB's new models by "DAVID BURKE" 12) Re: SV: Was Roden Dr.I - Merlin remarks by "Matthew Bittner" 13) Re: I'm back by Ernest Thomas 14) DB's Pics by "Leonard Endy" 15) Re: I'm back by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: DB's Pics by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: DB's Pics by "cameron rile" 18) Re: DB's Pics by "DAVID BURKE" 19) Re: I'm back by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: New images by "Limon3" 21) RE: How is the judging done? by Shane Weier 22) Re: - Merlin remarks by Ernest Thomas 23) RE: Merlin (Was Roden Dr.I - Merlin remarks) by Shane Weier 24) DBs Albatros by Otisgood@aol.com 25) Re: Hustad's winning figure by Eli Geher 26) Re: New images by "Bob Pearson" 27) Re: New images by "Matthew Bittner" 28) Re: - Merlin remarks by Dennis Ugulano 29) Re: New images by "Dale Beamish" 30) Student help in Houston by "Tom Solinski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:52:20 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: How is the judging done? Message-ID: <200007252057.WAA18809@mb07.swip.net> How is the judging done at the IPMS/USA convention? Do you have a system of points in various categories, are all models judged, how many judges for each class, do the judges work together or separately? I'm interested because we always have an amazing debate after every Swedish Nationals, they have an incredibly complicated system of giving points here, it doesn't work either better or worse than any other system I've seen. The system I like best is the way they used to do it at the UK Nationals, just 3 good modellers who choose the best models in each class, nice and simple, but I heard they changed that. /Neil Nb: Ni28 1/72 Nr: Skunk works by Ben Rich (recommended) Nl: XTC latest LP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:57:55 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: SV: Pomolio info Message-ID: <200007252102.XAA23121@mb07.swip.net> I don't know about this specific Pomilio PE, but there is a profile in the Munson book, and the Harleyford book, and Windsock 4-93. ---------- > Från: Anderson, Chris C > Till: Multiple recipients of list > Ämne: Pomolio info > Datum: den 25 juli 2000 22:53 > > Hi everyone! > > Does anyone have information about this specific Pomolio? > > http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/italy/pomilio/pe.html > > Thanks, > > Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:10:07 +0100 From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Judging: What comes around.. Message-ID: <397E022E.E8F5486C@dial.pipex.com> I guess the problem with 'judges' rather than being judged by your peers is that you are always at the mercy of the judges taste. But it works the other way too. My old club has a pre-1938 competition, and one year I entered a DH6 vacform. Now I was quite pleased with it - it had a scratchbuilt interior, rigged with stretched contact adhesive. But it had some faults - the paint job wasn't the best, and you could see some glue marks where I'd had to rebuild it after the wings had done their best origami impression while being rigged the night before the competition. There were some other kits entered that were better than mine, I thought, particularly in the painting. But I won. (I was stunned). I asked the judge why, and he said it was because, he felt, that as a vacform, my model had had more work put into it, and this made up for my flaws in the painting. Justice ? Who knows, it's only a hobby. But I was happy !! David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:01:14 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: In a message dated 7/25/00 3:55:40 PM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << I just uploaded some images of two new models built by David Burke. >> Very well done Triplane, Dave! BTW - what was/is the second new model? Couldn't find it listed. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:10:31 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <000601bff685$29f57a60$fb81aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Tom, It's an Albatros D.Va. It's the top one under 'Albatros Models'. Thanks for the compliment! DB -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 5:02 PM Subject: Re: New images >In a message dated 7/25/00 3:55:40 PM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > ><< I just uploaded some images of two new models built by David Burke. >> > >Very well done Triplane, Dave! > >BTW - what was/is the second new model? Couldn't find it listed. > >Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:17:07 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Was - Re: New images - now: DB's new models Message-ID: <2f.87d202d.26af6be3@aol.com> In a message dated 7/25/00 5:11:26 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << Hi Tom, It's an Albatros D.Va. It's the top one under 'Albatros Models'. >> Also very good-looking! Any chance I could convert you to the kind of model photographer who uses enough light? If you would use about twice as much light as you do on your models (use 200-2att instead of 100 watt bulbs, more lamps, whatever), they would be much easier to see, and as good as they are they deserve to be seen in all their glory. And tell me, oh great Voss-guru, do you add on the curved leading edge to the horizontal stab, or reduce the tail by sanding it into a curve?? This inquiring mind would like to know. :-) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:18:17 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Hey, you armor guys!!! Message-ID: <001101bff686$3f04e840$fb81aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Matt posted my pictures that I took of an FT-17 in Paris at the Hotel des Invalides. It's at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Photos/Fre/Ft17/index.html . Give it a shot, I hope that it's of use to somebody. Please pardon anything that looks slightly blurred: I was shooting in low light and was not allowed to use a flash inside the museum. I'm surprised that they look as good as they do! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:15:51 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Merlin (Was Roden Dr.I - Merlin remarks) Message-ID: <200007252233.PAA03066@mail.rapidnet.net> I've done three Merlins - DH5 (still the best 1/72 DH5 around), Canuck and the Ni11 .. the plastic on the last mentioned flaked off in thin 'shingles' when sanded. However that DH5 is a nice kit - if I had only seen that one I would never believe the remarks against Merlin Bob ---------- >From: "Neil Crawford" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: SV: Was Roden Dr.I - Merlin remarks >Date: Tue, Jul 25, 2000, 2:00 pm > > I once built the Merlin GeeBee R1, it was the worst trash I've > ever seen, ended up 98% scratch. Congratulations to anyone who's > built a Merlin. Anyone else? > /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:36:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Answer to your judging problems Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D427@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> DB, > Not a bad idea! Let's hold it in Verdun so that we can > cut off some of > your distance and hopefully woo some of our departed French > listees back while we're at it! Mmmmm. I think you need to buy a globe. But......it isn't a bad idea so long as you pay for David S and my airfares ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:46:47 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hustad's winning figure Message-ID: <42.8a812bd.26af72d7@aol.com> " Hustad's Winning Figure " boy.... sounds like that Charles Atlas ad paid off. I'll bet he's thrilled with this subject line. :-) Kidding aside, the work is simply fabulous. And I am so pleased to hear he might be returning to the list sometime soon. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:48:01 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Was - Re: New images - now: DB's new models Message-ID: <000601bff68a$646c4480$a293aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 5:19 PM Subject: Was - Re: New images - now: DB's new models >In a message dated 7/25/00 5:11:26 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: > ><< Hi Tom, > > It's an Albatros D.Va. It's the top one under 'Albatros Models'. > >> > >Also very good-looking! > >Any chance I could convert you to the kind of model photographer who uses >enough light? If you would use about twice as much light as you do on your >models (use 200-2att instead of 100 watt bulbs, more lamps, whatever), they >would be much easier to see, and as good as they are they deserve to be seen >in all their glory. Yeah, I'll get another light soon - I'm only working with one. > >And tell me, oh great Voss-guru, do you add on the curved leading edge to the >horizontal stab, or reduce the tail by sanding it into a curve?? This >inquiring mind would like to know. :-) > Both. >Tom DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:54:28 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: SV: Was Roden Dr.I - Merlin remarks Message-ID: <200007252253.PAA00081@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:00:37 -0400 (EDT), Neil Crawford wrote: > I once built the Merlin GeeBee R1, it was the worst trash I've > ever seen, ended up 98% scratch. Congratulations to anyone who's > built a Merlin. Anyone else? Altough I haven't yet, Herr Hustad has built a few. Off the top of my head the Pfalz D.VIII using the Pfalz Dr.I kit; W.12; and Junkers J.I. However, there are probably more... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:53:41 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <397E1A75.205EE73@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > > It's nothing that I want to get caught up in until you talk to the guys that > brought your SPAD. Then I'll comment. Ok, I've talked to Jerry and Bob. What's your take on all this? E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:19:18 -0400 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DB's Pics Message-ID: Wow David ! Liked the FT 17 pics and really enjoyed looking at the Albatros and that Mat Bittner scale Fokker.... Now, if I can find some time to get back to work on my Albatros....the deadline looms ! Len (Recovering from a weekend of relatives here to celebrate my grandson's 2nd birthday.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:20:45 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <000601bff68e$f7ec2320$4682aec7@dora9sprynet.com> About $20 bucks, I reckon. DB -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: Re: I'm back > > >DAVID BURKE wrote: >> >> It's nothing that I want to get caught up in until you talk to the guys that >> brought your SPAD. Then I'll comment. > >Ok, I've talked to Jerry and Bob. What's your take on all this? >E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:22:09 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: DB's Pics Message-ID: <000b01bff68f$295425c0$4682aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Leonard Endy To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: DB's Pics >Wow David ! > >Liked the FT 17 pics and really enjoyed looking at the Albatros and >that Mat Bittner scale Fokker.... Bittner scale? I thought he was 1/72. It's 1/28. But who's counting? Thanks! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:31:49 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DB's Pics Message-ID: <5F46837F97264D115AC40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> >Now, if I can find some time to get back to work on my Albatros....the >deadline looms ! And there will be a booby prize for the last person to send photos in on the 30th of September. Anyone after that is ineligable for the booby prize. The Great Albatros Model Cook-Up http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/index.html cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:38:01 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: DB's Pics Message-ID: <000601bff691$60e870c0$4682aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Y'kow, a funny thing: I bet that my D.Va wouldn't have gotten done for the cookup if I would have participated in it! Hmmmm.. DB -----Original Message----- From: cameron rile To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: Re: DB's Pics > >>Now, if I can find some time to get back to work on my Albatros....the >>deadline looms ! > >And there will be a booby prize for the last person to send photos in on the 30th of >September. Anyone after that is ineligable for the booby prize. > > >The Great Albatros Model Cook-Up >http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/index.html > > > > >cam > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:03:17 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <397E2AC5.8E153A86@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > > About $20 bucks, I reckon. Try $5. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:08:02 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <000601bff695$9122cc00$34bf113f@f4w2s5> Hi Matt, Do you happen to know the photographic source for the Leptien DVa which BP profiled? I'd appreciate any help on source material re: this machine, Gabe BTW-congrats again, you deserve all kudos for your hard work. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:54 PM Subject: New images >I just uploaded some images of two new models built by David Burke. > >Well done, Dave! > > >Matt Bittner >WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:19:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: How is the judging done? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D429@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil, > How is the judging done at the IPMS/USA convention? Do you have a > system of points in various categories, are all models > judged, how many > judges for each class, do the judges work together or separately? > I'm interested because we always have an amazing debate after every > Swedish Nationals, they have an incredibly complicated system > of giving > points here, it doesn't work either better or worse than any > other system > I've seen. The system I like best is the way they used to do > it at the UK > Nationals, just 3 good modellers who choose the best models > in each class, > nice and simple, but I heard they changed that. I can't speak for the US convention but I'll tell you that here in Brisbane at our State Championships (==regionals since Queensland is about 4 times as big as Texas) we use the judging panel system. In essence the judging panel breaks up and does a quick once over of the entries in their section. Then they come together and can *usually* eliminate part of the class from further discussion due to obvious inadequacies. >From that point on it's a process of the team laboriously inspecting every model, slowly ranking them on concensus until they have what they believe are the top 5 or so models identified. At that point we diverge slightly from what I believe is US practice, becasue we use a Gold/Silver/Bronze system. The judges now attempt to rank the last 5-6 models. Where there is no concensus allowing a split between models they are ranked together. Finally they decide whether the top model is worth a Gold - it almost always is - and medals are allocated from there with one proviso, in that multiple Golds require the Chief Judge and Chief Stewards assent. This prevents Gold medals becoming devalued because it's bloody hard to get 5 people to agree that more than one model in a class is perfect ! In practice we have only given away double golds and double silvers once, and four double bronzes in three years operation of the system so we feel we've eliminated some of the injustices cause by terminal hair splitting without devaluing the awards. Some other judging comments. Complaints about judging most often come down to accusations of bias to locals, bias to friends etc. Our judging teams are *always* made up of three members from different clubs, and preferably include at least one person from a really remote club. We don't use secret ballots because they are subject to accusations of rigging. We don't use points sytems because they are subject to accusations of rigging. We judge in the open - members of the public may NOT speak to judges but can watch from fairly closely, because when judging is done behind closed doors it is subject to accusations of rigging or accusations that strong willed judges forced weak willed ones to concur. The other common complaint is about "accuracy". We are NOT an IPMS show because IPMS in Australia shot itself in the foot and is outnumbered 15:1 by non IPMS clubs. Nevertheless we use the "basics first" system because we have enough trouble finding judges who know something about something without looking for 40+ judges who know everything about everything. Only at the final stages is accuracy an issue and even then the judges are *supposed* to use only the supplied references to decide AND if the matter is contentious, to ignore it (harder to do than say, but I am yet to get a complaint) Finally - I love model contests, and enter and try my hardest to win. Usually I don't. Sometimes I do and get a big buzz. In either case I have fun, and that includes when judging. Ira was right. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:22:10 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: - Merlin remarks Message-ID: <397E2F32.9674B56F@bellsouth.net> Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu wrote: > My copy has trailing edges THICKER than the leading edges! Oh that's easy. Just turn the wing around. ;) E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:24:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Merlin (Was Roden Dr.I - Merlin remarks) Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D42A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Bob, > I've done three Merlins - DH5 (still the best 1/72 DH5 > around) Disagree. The Libramodels vacform is markedly better IMHO. I've built both (and have a second Merlin version now!)with the Libra better capturing the lightness of structure thanks to the thin vac wings. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:36:41 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DBs Albatros Message-ID: <20.9290b4f.26af8c99@aol.com> Superb job, David! That's as good a rib tape job as I have ever seen, and great wood grain finish. Now don't take that to Huntsville in September. It might win. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:52:52 -0500 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hustad's winning figure Message-ID: <397E3664.34302794@hiwaay.net> "P. Howard" wrote: > > That gorgeous Friedrichshaven was done by Steve Hustad, > and the Albatros collection was done by Steve Lawson I THINK. > I'm positive that the Ansaldo was done by Bill Devins. > > PH Steve Lawson definitely did the Albatros collection. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:28:47 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <200007260104.SAA07919@mail.rapidnet.net> Matt supplied me with a detail drawing of the marking from some book, and the b/w drawing by GVW that is in the Jasta pilots. That was what I used for my profile - I haven't seen any photos of this particular machine. I know of a list member who has made some beautiful ALPS decals of this machine .. perhaps he'll come forward. .. Bob ---------- > Hi Matt, > Do you happen to know the photographic source for the Leptien DVa which BP > profiled? I'd appreciate any help on source material re: this machine, > Gabe > BTW-congrats again, you deserve all kudos for your hard work. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:07:11 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <200007260106.SAA13645@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:07:41 -0400 (EDT), Limon3 wrote: > Do you happen to know the photographic source for the Leptien DVa which BP > profiled? I'd appreciate any help on source material re: this machine, Unfortunately, no pics are known. It's based on one of Imrie's earlier works (the 14-16, or 17-18 books, or whatever those are) which only includes a sketch of the shield area. Maybe someday a pic of it will turn up at UTD. > BTW-congrats again, you deserve all kudos for your hard work. Thanks! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:05:55 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: - Merlin remarks Message-ID: <200007252106_MC2-AD7A-2533@compuserve.com> >> and Junkers J.1. Yes Dennis, I'd love to see this one! My copy has trailing edges THICKER than the leading edges! That's why I haven't built it, and why I abstain from Merlin. << I will post it as soon as possible. I had a major setback as far as the camera. Just as I was getting to know a little about it, it went down. Just dropped it in the mail today for repairs. That's a bummer. Spend almost a year shopping and the one I buy breaks in a month. Oh, well, it will be back as good as new. I just looked at one of unbuilt J-1's and it is fine as far as the trailing edge. It is thick that was one big airplane. One of the major problems at the time I got mine was sometimes all three piece of the wing were not included. My supplier alerted me to check but all of mine were ok. It is a big, impressive kit and model. I will post it as soon as possible. That is one kit that is scheduled to be added to my site. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:13:07 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <005e01bff69e$c2f70ee0$6e31b8a1@darcy> Who ..... what? Well yes .... and there should be a set arriving on his door any day. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 25 July, 2000 7:00 PM Subject: Re: New images > Matt supplied me with a detail drawing of the marking from some book, and > the b/w drawing by GVW that is in the Jasta pilots. That was what I used for > my profile - I haven't seen any photos of this particular machine. > > I know of a list member who has made some beautiful ALPS decals of this > machine .. perhaps he'll come forward. .. > > Bob > > ---------- > > > Hi Matt, > > Do you happen to know the photographic source for the Leptien DVa which BP > > profiled? I'd appreciate any help on source material re: this machine, > > Gabe > > BTW-congrats again, you deserve all kudos for your hard work. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:56:28 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Student help in Houston Message-ID: <000801bff6a4$b67d5600$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF67A.CD85BC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi listers! Just got off Hobby web. I recall a large number of us are in the = Houston area. Please look up hobby web wanted post #135913 and see if = you might want to help this teacher out, It's a chance to show some = intercity kid the hobby TIA=20 tomS ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF67A.CD85BC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Just got off Hobby web.  I recall = a large=20 number of us are in the Houston area.  Please look up hobby web = wanted post=20 #135913  and see if you might want to help this teacher out,  = It's a=20 chance to show some intercity kid the hobby
 
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