WWI Digest 2484 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: 28 Scale Conversion? by Shane Weier 2) Signing off by bucky@ptdprolog.net 3) Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: Eduard Decals by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) DH5 (was Re: Return From the Nats) by "Bob Pearson" 7) Re: IPMS-Dallas Day 4 by Eli Geher 8) Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats by "David Calhoun" 9) Re: Gotha Lozenge by "David Calhoun" 10) Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 11) the nats by ERIC HIGHT 12) I'm back by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Eduard at the Nats by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: I'm back by Zulis@aol.com 15) Re: 28 Scale Conversion? by Otisgood@aol.com 16) Re: I'm back by "Dale Beamish" 17) Re: I'm back by Ernest Thomas 18) Ilya Muromets by Otisgood@aol.com 19) Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: I'm back by "DAVID BURKE" 21) Re: Eduard Albatros C-III kit by Russell W Niles 22) Re: I'm back by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: I'm back by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: I'm back by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: Candice Sopwith Pup Project by "Douglas R. Jones" 26) Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats by "P. Howard" 27) Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats by "P. Howard" 28) Re: Ilya Muromets by Mike Kavanaugh 29) Re: sad news by DavidL1217@aol.com 30) Taube, Dove of War by Lyle Lamboley ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:26:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: 28 Scale Conversion? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D41C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael says: > Multiply the measurements by 48/28 (approximately 1.714). > > The rule is "The number on top (numerator)" is "the scale you > are going > from" and "The number on the bottom (denominator)" is "the > scale you are going to". True ! True ! All true.. I thought I'd add that this means setting the photocopier to 171% to scale up a 1:48 drawing to 1:28. Only....all the copiers I have access to stop at 150% The solution is to copy the drawing twice, enlarging it part of the way each time. To do this find the square root of the required enlargement - make a copy at that ratio then feed the copy through a second time. In the case of scaling 1:48 to 1:28 Enlargement required is 1.714 times. Square root of 1.714 is 1.31 times So copy the original at 131%, then copy that copy again at 131% to get 1:28 Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:28:37 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Signing off Message-ID: <397CD125.4910AEE8@ptdprolog.net> Well, at long last, vacation time has arrived. I'll be signing off later tonight for about three weeks....during which time I'll be in Holland, England and BElgium. I plan on hitting the obvious museums and taking some photos....this time with a good and operable camera! (Don't remind me about last time). Will try to meet up with Len in London. See you guys in August. Mike Muth nb: Bavarian Green Tail...still afraid of attaching the undercarriage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:45:25 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats Message-ID: <66.5d865ae.26ae2f15@aol.com> In a message dated 7/24/00 1:43:54 PM EST, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << I was prepared to lose to Paul's fine efforts, but to miss placing behind an OOB effort after 400 hours of work makes you wonder what you're doing wrong. >> That's why it's the International Plastic Muddler's Society. After you're too blind to be able to build a model, they let you muddle through as a judge. TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:59:02 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats Message-ID: <50.88e3c32.26ae3246@aol.com> In a message dated 7/24/00 1:43:54 PM EST, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << I was prepared to lose to Paul's fine efforts, but to miss placing behind an OOB effort after 400 hours of work makes you wonder what you're doing wrong. >> A further point: I remember the first time I met RK, at the ValleyCon V show, back in 1995. He didn't know that much about how to compete with the Muddlers, so he took his scratchbuilt 1/32 B.E.2c and plopped it in the back row of the "vacuform and scratchbuilt" category. The judges of that catergory, a couple of treadheads who don't know the tail from the prop of an airplane, didn't even consider it since they had no clue what they were looking at, and instead awarded 1st place to a little limited-run kit of a Bilek glider, with a very nice paint job. The builder of the glider, who *did* know what he was looking at, was stunned to win, and told RK he didn't know what had happened. One of the problems here in ther US, at least at regionals and below, is that judges are all competitors, and therefore can't judge the category they actually know something about, so you get things like that. I well remember one show I judged, where I did 1/72 airplanes (a category I can figure out since I know airplane models, and will never compete in), and the two kids I was judging with didn't event want to consider a Hasegawa Mavis done perfectly (i.e., weathered to the point where nearly half the paint was gone) because it was "overweathered and no airplane would ever look like that." After explaining things to them, they then proceeded to give the model 1st place. I have often thought it would be a good idea to take the major pothunters, and after they have won for the sixth time with the same model, "promote" them to being judges. Give them special T-shirts, let them display their stuff in a special section, etc., make judging a big deal and at least have categories picked over by people who have a clue. Of course, no pothunter would ever allow this, since what would life be like without your 50-cent plastic pot to show you accomplished something? (Now don't all of you who participate in contests leap and scream at once. You know as well as I do the exact kind of moron I am thinking of here, and you know as well as I do that no one intelligent enough to be part of this list would ever be listed by anybody in a category like that.) Rant mode off. The bottom line - at least in American judging - is that the one rational rule you can depend on is: there are no rational rules to who wins. Just like life, I suppose. I also think the AMPS way of judging would be better, personally. And Lance knows that we all know his W.12 is great - far better to be recognized, my friend, by people who know what it is they are looking at and congratulating you for. Cheers, TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:09:13 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Decals Message-ID: In a message dated 7/24/00 5:18:58 PM EST, ghunter@pangea.ca writes: << I just bought the Eduard Pfalz D.IIIa Profipack on the week-end and was curious if anyone has used the Cartiograph decals (printed in Italy). Do they go on nicely or do they stick like CA to the first thing they touch. I want to do Berthge's striped/lozenged aircraft (decals for it are included in kit). I had big troubles with the Protagteam decals in the Tripe kit. TIA, Graham >> The decals work just fine, you may need a bit more Micro-sol than for Micro-Scale printed decals, but they are much better than the Propagteam decals. If you have used any of the new Aeromaster sheets you have been using Cartograph decals. TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:16:49 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DH5 (was Re: Return From the Nats) Message-ID: <200007250043.RAA01251@mail.rapidnet.net> > The news from Lone Star Models is that the DH5 is out. Jim Pliml piked one > up and maybe he can give us a quick once over if he gets a chance. This was reviewed in the April Internet Modeler, and will also be the subject of a build review. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:37:35 -0500 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS-Dallas Day 4 Message-ID: <397CE14F.9D2BC0A2@hiwaay.net> Lance Krieg wrote: > > I think the best of show engines were 1/48 scale, though, not 72nd. Damn, Eli, you're a judge! > > Lance Sorry for the misinformation. I blame it on fatigue. I haven't recovered from the drive home yet. The engine collection was still impressive, even if it was in a huge scale. All who took home awards can take great pride. Competition is always fierce at the Nationals and this was one of the better ones for quality and quantity. I snuck in a 3rd place in a lesser automotive category and couldn't be happier. Steve Hustad, at an adjacent banquet table, had a stack of trophies in front of him that was truly Texas sized. I hope he wasn't traveling by air. The airlines are fussy about weight and bulk of baggage. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:43:18 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats Message-ID: <004b01bff5ea$79e275a0$9a3b3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Lance, I know how you feel! My only experience with IPMS judging was a few years back at Dayton. I brought my vacuform Sierra SPAD A.2 with skis. (this has taken several firsts & best of show at several local shows). Not only did it not place, but the 3rd place winner was a British navy plane that had visible red/brown areas on the white insignia that was clearly decal glue that had not been wiped off before clearcoating. Same aircraft also had glue visible on front canopy. Oh well, I guess the judges still prefer Royal Navy aircraft! Or maybe the all knowing judge thought that your struts were crooked! Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats >I appreciate DB's sympathy, and I must confess that I've been in a funk over the defeat. I was prepared to lose to Paul's fine efforts, but to miss placing behind an OOB effort after 400 hours of work makes you wonder what you're doing wrong. > >On the bright side, there were plenty of OT models around, and the vendor room was like a visit to Valhalla. > >I got the impression from the Eduard reps, though, that they are going to be a little less heavy into WWI with their new souped-up tooling. > >DB's not kidding when he says the drink prices were attention-getters; only truly dedicated lushes were willing to get soused at those rates! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:48:55 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Gotha Lozenge Message-ID: <006c01bff5eb$42dd9200$9a3b3ccc@oemcomputer> I think he's right. Off the top of my head, the G.III and early G.IV were painted light blue/gray since they were used as day bombers. It was not until the late D.IV / D.V were used as night bombers that the dark colors were used. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Gotha Lozenge > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lance Krieg >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:05 PM >Subject: Re: Gotha Lozenge > > >>I've got them, and while I haven't used them I've used plenty of Americal >lozenges. I would anticipate no unusual problems, and they will make a >Gotha look mighty impressive! >> >>Lance >> >>>>> lozenge1@telusplanet.net 07/22/00 03:29PM >>> >>Has anyone used the different Americal Gotha lozenges? Thinking ahead to >>several being released! >>Dale > > >If you are anticipating Eric's Gotha, he says that the Gothat G.III did not >have loz fabric. Comments anyone? > > >DB > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:48:50 -0500 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats Message-ID: > >That's why it's the International Plastic Muddler's Society. After you're >too blind to be able to build a model, they let you muddle through as a judge. > >TC I do resent the tone of the message. Been judging for a long time and I did not judge that category, but if you had asked the judges (they all signed the category marker) they would have been able to explain why it went that way. Like they say, till you have been there and done that, don't go there. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:00:11 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: the nats Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000724180011.00826710@pop.amug.org> dear group, it was a great pleasure to meet all of the listees who attended. a special thanks goes to paul,jim and lance for all their help at the table. it was a huge help. and brent i resemble that remark!! she is way too good for you my friend!!!! congrats to paul and i think lance was robbed also. but that's the big contest biz. ya win some and ya lose some. thanks again for all of your support. i have some unpleasent family business to attend to and will be closed untill next week some time. i will let you know when i return. thanks again you are a great bunch of people. i really apprecite the support. later amigos! regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:04:09 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: The List Subject: I'm back Message-ID: <397CE788.C7FB0D4C@bellsouth.net> Howdy All, Well, I've built all the models I needed to build for the deadlines they needed to be built by and I'm back on the list. Just wanted to say a quick conga rats to everyone who took award(t)s in Dallas. Even though I wasn't there in person, I will agree with the consensus that Lance got robbed. I base this on seeing a single scanned photo. Guess I need to pop over to Paul Howard's gallery to see what else I missed. As for me, I built my show bird Spad, got a D-V 90% built but got too disgusted by the kit lg struts and it's now sitting on the shelf until I get some of those white metal struts I heard about. So my bake-off entry will delayed until then. And just this weekend, I had a great time knocking together a major "Dicta Ira" project. I built "My" D-VII. Using the old Monogram kit as the subject, I painted it as my fantasy bird if I were a WWI fighter pilot. Straight out the box.(Ok, I eliminated those big chunky control horns, and I may replace the guns one of these days.) Lot of fun. I didn't have to worry about if it was right, only that it looked good to me. And it looks FAB!!!. I think I'll have to try some variations on some other airframes. Pictures soon. Well that's all for me. It's great to be back. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:05:27 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard at the Nats Message-ID: <397CE7D7.7C51B2EC@bellsouth.net> Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > PS: I made all of the above up to irritate Matt :) Glad to see somebody's been taking care of business while I was gone. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:13:49 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <75.74d35d1.26ae43cd@aol.com> Hey, welcome back, Ernest! So... what did your fantasy wwi plane look like? Did it have lozenge? What colour was the cowl? I presume that, if you are in charge, you got a parachute.... you never know, you could come across someone else's fantasy flying an SE5.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:25:01 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 28 Scale Conversion? Message-ID: <3b.7a12b34.26ae466d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/24/00 3:28:42 PM Central Daylight Time, lozenge1@telusplanet.net writes: > an anyone tell me how to convert 48 scale to 28? > Thanks Multiply it by 1.7142857 (or just 1.71 for simplicity). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:27:13 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <005301bff5d7$aa7c2660$d12bb8a1@darcy> O.K. who left the back gate open! ...... He's back! And the struts are coming soon my friend. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 24 July, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: I'm back > Howdy All, > Well, I've built all the models I needed to build for the deadlines they > needed to be built by and I'm back on the list. > Just wanted to say a quick conga rats to everyone who took award(t)s in > Dallas. Even though I wasn't there in person, I will agree with the > consensus that Lance got robbed. I base this on seeing a single scanned > photo. Guess I need to pop over to Paul Howard's gallery to see what > else I missed. > As for me, I built my show bird Spad, got a D-V 90% built but got too > disgusted by the kit lg struts and it's now sitting on the shelf until I > get some of those white metal struts I heard about. So my bake-off entry > will delayed until then. And just this weekend, I had a great time > knocking together a major "Dicta Ira" project. I built "My" D-VII. Using > the old Monogram kit as the subject, I painted it as my fantasy bird if > I were a WWI fighter pilot. Straight out the box.(Ok, I eliminated those > big chunky control horns, and I may replace the guns one of these days.) > Lot of fun. I didn't have to worry about if it was right, only that it > looked good to me. > And it looks FAB!!!. I think I'll have to try some variations on some > other airframes. Pictures soon. > Well that's all for me. It's great to be back. > E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:32:57 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <397CEE49.6C23E272@bellsouth.net> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > So... what did your fantasy wwi plane look like? I'm not telling. You'll just have to wait for the cyber unveiling. But I'll give you a hint; It's 'wild'. And I hope it inspires others to give it a try, as I had a lot of fun with this model. E. rnrnrnrnrnrnrnrnrnrn...... (wow, my spell checker doesn't know the word 'cyber') ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:35:10 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ilya Muromets Message-ID: <9e.7799fe8.26ae48ce@aol.com> I was shocked today when I walked into my local Hobbytown (from whom I usually only buy paints because they have no OT stuff) and I saw the ICM 1/72 Ilya Muromets (SP?) on the shelf. Now I would never attempt to build such a plane but I know some of you out there would. Is this a difficult kit to get? If so, I will gladly pick it up for someone out there and ship it to you. You can contact me off list if you want me to get it for you. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:38:50 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats Message-ID: <002c01bff5db$b7968080$a193aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >And Lance knows that we all know his W.12 is great - far better to be >recognized, my friend, by people who know what it is they are looking at and >congratulating you for. > >Cheers, > >TC Well Tom, In this last post you have hit on some cogent things which I would like to reinforce. First of all, I feel that Judges should not compete. When I was Head Judge at the Mobile show, I put all of my stuff on the display table. I could have kicked the crap out of at least two categories. Why? Because as a judge, and a Head Judge, I felt that I shouldn't so no one could complain of favoritism and other dirty dealings. But otherwise, I wonder how much WWI modeling experience that the judges in the category had? I applaud the fact that the Judges made themselves accountable by signing the Category markers, and thereby identified themselves to the modelers. I'm curious as to what these guys knew of esoteric things, like finishes and paint schemes, and other stuff. For example: (I am going to wander ot on this, but the arguement is legitamate), my buddy Brit - Eric and Brent and Lance met him - entered a GORGEOUS 1/72 Bf-!09 E-3 at the Nats last year. This thing was a true competitor. Now Brit had done his research: the tail bracing struts (ALMOST SOUNDS OT) on the early 109's were offset at their fuselage mating points as a way of reducing engine torque. Brit reproduced this on his model. When he failed to place, he was told that the offset posts were a techinical boo-boo and it knocked him out of the running. Later, the Judges were asked about this, and wre proven to be wrong. But it was too late, and nothing to do about it. And I'll tell you that he was the one with the 1/72 P-51 Mustang that took 1st at the Columbus Nats: he's a damned-good modeler. And I am getting him interested in WWI modeling: he has the 'Fokker F.1' kit (it AIN'T AN F.1!!!) and Albatros D.V kits and has an interest in building them and getting all of the info - if only he'd get a computer!! - and I am having weird feelings about having addicted my friend to this hobby. Good, because we can use all of the WWI modelers that we can get and bad... ...because I need to compete with him like I need another hole in my head. We'll see. I dunno. I guess that we can all complain about the Judging at the show. To be fair, I think that the Swordfish was EXCELLENTLY done. HOWEVER, I do think that Judges should consider the work that one has to do on a lot of these kits NOT produced by Tamigawa. To produce excellent works from even the BEST of kits available - and Eric, I don't mean anything by this other than what we have discussed - the kits give you everything: you have to just paint and glue. And it looks proffesional and since Tamigawa enginnered it, it MUST be right, yes? I say NO. We all here know of how much time and affort and research that we do on all of our stuff. Alot of it can get pretty esoteric. Hell, I was a Luftwaffe modeler primarily before I got to know you lot. Suddenly, I could identify different models of Albatri. Now look at me: I can hold conversations with the best of you. We know what has to be done to produce an accurate model. I have had discussions with other modelers who have brought me to this point. We take time and effort and research to make sure that subtle nuances are captured for different versions of aircraft that we come closer to being accurate, and the company might have missed some of that. Maybe I'm paranoid, but how long will it be that they start coming out with stuff that is so good that it will eliminate the need for skill, just a pre-painted snap-tite in that all parts are pre-painted and weathered down to the minutest detail and boxed up so that you need not more than you than to just stick it together? Hmm. Paranoid. I congratulate the winners in the Categoy, and to all others in other Categories. I have gotten my photos back, and I have some good shots of OT stuff. I will try and post them. After looking at my photo of the Ansaldo Baby, I remember how impressed I was by it. I congratulate the Judges of the contest: I have an idea of how difficult a job that it was, having to judge such difficult choices. The work there was excellent, and several truly astounding pieces. The responsibility to have to select the best pieces was tremendous. I also congratulate the IPMS, for promoting the Hobby, and giving drunks like me a chance to meet new buddies. Now lets all get set, and get off of our asses, and build alot of stuff for Chicago!!!!! DB Feelin' Groovy!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:03:28 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <005201bff5dc$940307a0$a193aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Bub, Good to see you poking your head back up. I'm sorry about what happened, I wasn't aware until it was too late. Wind has been steady here until huge gusts blow from Cleaverland ;). 'Bout that, is been purty quiet. Other than that, how's it with you? DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:18:27 -0700 From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros C-III kit Message-ID: <20000724.193314.-166821.2.r_niles1@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:28:53 -0400 (EDT) John_Impenna@hyperion.com writes: > > > Hi Al, > Does anyone have a copy of the above they would be willing to part > with? Priced > preferrably less than a vital organ!!! Also, can trade as I have > over 120+ > unbuilt WWI aircraft in all scales. > > Happy Modelling, > > John > > John I am unsubed (I think) at this time so give me a shout off list if your still looking. I have one that I could let go, as the first one is still half built. Russ r_niles1@juno.com Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missiles....switching to guns. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:40:03 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <397CFE03.F2DB422A@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > > Hey Bub, > > Good to see you poking your head back up. I'm sorry about what > happened, I wasn't aware until it was too late. What happened? E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:45:30 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <000801bff5e2$67768da0$3c88aec7@dora9sprynet.com> How your SPAD warnt entered. DB -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: Re: I'm back > > >DAVID BURKE wrote: >> >> Hey Bub, >> >> Good to see you poking your head back up. I'm sorry about what >> happened, I wasn't aware until it was too late. > >What happened? >E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:03:11 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <397D036F.DBB59CF1@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > > How your SPAD warnt entered. WHAT??? Why not? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:08:04 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Candice Sopwith Pup Project Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000724215732.00a68330@mail> At 12:11 PM 7/20/00 -0400, you wrote: Hi Candice, > This kit is from Balsa USA. My ex bought it around 1987 or so. I just >ordered Kieger's plans for the PUP also. That makes it 1/3 scale! This will be a huge airplane when finished. I have seen several simply exquisite models from this kit fly at Rhinebeck . It is a terrific flying model! It certainly is of a size that allows detailing to the max! I have seen them with the pulleys appropriately placed in the wing under clear inspection covers. I'll see if I have any photos around. You will be very pleased with the Kieger plans! > In reality this project is a personal test for me. It is going to be a >long haul task but if I can't accomplish this one I can never hope to build >my own airplane in this lifetime. And I have my eyes on a Zodiac CH-601 kit >plane for myself....full IFR,moving map gps in the panel. After that who >knows....people have built full scale flying replicas from Jim's plans..... Yes they have! Building the Pup will be a great project. But, perhaps, instead of building a fully detailed model you should just go ahead and do that 1:1 project! An anecdote from Rhinebeck one year. There were several of us hanging around Brian Coughlin's Fokker D-VIII on Friday afternoon before the Rhinebeck Jamboree. We were discussing how it took most of us over a year to complete a well executed model. This discussion went on for some time. When from behind us a voice chimed in that in the time we spent getting our models done a 1:1 could be done. It was Brian. And he was right. He also pointed out that the concepts aren't much different from building large scale models and man carrying planes. Having never built a man carrying plane I can't comment except that in principle he seems right! I offer this as food for thought. > Since you are into RC. My pup is for static display only (I'll eventually >donate it somewhere). Do you know of any source for large scale replica >engines and armaments?? There are some available. Check with Williams Brothers. Also check Arizona Model Aircraft. I'll check my references and email you. Doug -------------------------------------------------- Douglas R. Jones 972-394-4332 'I am a traveler of both Time and Space' Led Zeppelin -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:19:35 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats Message-ID: <002e01bff5e7$2c4da600$87928ece@phoward> Tom, Lance was much more graceful regarding the unfortunate outcome of the judging than you are being right now. It is my opinion that his W12 was the best model on the table and I have told him so. I'm also telling you that your opinon of IPMS judging is slanted, at best. Mistakes are made and disagreements occur, but when modelers like John Alcorn and Bob Davies are judges, I hardly think the crap that you are spewing is appropriate. George Lee, who was an infinitely better modeller than you or I will ever be, spent years judging and modeling in IPMS and he seemed to think the system worked too. I judged at the Nats this year and I can tell you that when all of the models are good, some categories take hours to judge. One of the categories I judged in (1/51 and smaller Conversions) took us an hour and fifteen minutes, and there were several categories that took longer by far. I hardly think that this type of patience and care reflects someone blindly muddling through the motions because they can't model any more... Your casual comments belittle a lot of hard work done by people who have spent years volunteering their time without appreciation. Paul H >That's why it's the International Plastic Muddler's Society. After you're >too blind to be able to build a model, they let you muddle through as a judge. > >TC > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:42:05 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!!!- DB's take on the Nats Message-ID: <003d01bff5ea$51b17540$87928ece@phoward> Dave, I'm the head judge for our local chapter's upcoming contest. I agree with your concept totally and our chapter has taken it one step further; no models from Greater Abilene Scale Modelers will be entered in the contest. I don't think that this can happen at the Nats though. I can't see many people spending their hard earned cash to get to the Nats and not competing. I don't think I could do it Local contests cost you next to nothing to abstain, but if the 100 or so judges didn't enter their work, the contest would loose money and the quality of the models entered would be substantially decreased. Some of the best modelers in the world are IPMS judges and they view judging as a way of giving back to the hobby. I'm not implying that I'm one of the best in the world, just that if the best don't compete, why would anyone care if they won? Just my $.02 Paul H , I feel that Judges should not compete. When I >was Head Judge at the Mobile show, I put all of my stuff on the display >table. I could have kicked the crap out of at least two categories. Why? >Because as a judge, and a Head Judge, I felt that I shouldn't so no one >could complain of favoritism and other dirty dealings ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:12:34 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ilya Muromets Message-ID: <397D21C2.BAF9875E@earthlink.net> I am saddened by the news. It is unfortunate with what became of Meikraft. He tried to fulfill our desires wihen little new was available. For that, we should remember him. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:58:55 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Taube, Dove of War Message-ID: <20000724.235857.-248705.5.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Recently one of us was looking for this...now here it is on eBay. Certainly a lot cheaper than what was quoted him, as I recall. Sorry to forget who was doing the looking-- Lyle http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=389750082 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2484 **********************