WWI Digest 2459 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: IPMS-Dallas by "Bob Pearson" 2) RE: List members in Dallas area by "John Glaser" 3) Re: an )t) TV recommendation by bucky@ptdprolog.net 4) Re: Letters to DML for Fok. D.VII reissue? by MAnde72343@aol.com 5) Re: How to hide sins by "Leonard Endy" 6) Re: Voss' F.1 by MAnde72343@aol.com 7) RE: Voss' F.1 by Shane Weier 8) Re: DML contact address by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 9) RE: Letters to DML for Fok. D.VII reissue? by "Ed Schaller" 10) RE: Letters to DML for Fok. D.VII reissue? by Shane Weier 11) Re: DML contact address by "Dale Beamish" 12) Re: IPMS-Dallas by "P. Howard" 13) Dallas by "Douglas R. Jones" 14) Re: an )t) TV recommendation by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) Re: Wow ! by "Jack Gartner" 16) Not Going to the Nats :-( but.... by "Jack Gartner" 17) Re: Workbench Pics aka also looking for by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: Voss' F.1 by KarrArt@aol.com 19) just submerged, not un-subbed.... by KarrArt@aol.com 20) Re: How to hide sins by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: just submerged, not un-subbed.... by "P. Howard" 22) DML contact address by "Charles Hart" 23) Re: Not Going to the Nats :-( but.... by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: Voss' F.1 by "DAVID BURKE" 25) Re: Voss' F.1 switching to triplane evolution designation by Dave Watts 26) Muromets info by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 27) Re: just submerged, not un-subbed.... by Mark Miller 28) My note back from DML on Fokker DVII reissue by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 29) Re: Workbench Pics aka also looking for by Scottfking@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:49:01 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS-Dallas Message-ID: <200007120058.RAA20459@mail.rapidnet.net> > I know I'm going out there and I wouldn't mind having company. I can > even wrangle the van from my wife for the day, so I could transport up > to 7 WW1 Modelers to the university. > > I was planning on doing this Thursday or Friday morning. Anybody want a > ride? Marc, I'm up in Northern BC, right below Alaska .. think you can swing by and pick me up on the way? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:09:25 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: List members in Dallas area Message-ID: <000001bfeb9d$d2eeee50$8d00000a@jcgws> With the way the Rangers (and Astros) are playing this year, better to double up on the Lone Star & skip the game. - JG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Todd Henry Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 2:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: List members in Dallas area Since my timing is terrible (I will be in the Dallas area the week / weekend AFTER the nationals), I was wondering if any list members were interested in two decidedly off topic activities. Due to airfares that defy even Douglas Adams' Waiter's calculational logic, I will be staying in Plano through Sunday AM. I am thus planning to do two things in Dallas (other than get by Phil's hobbies, eat brisket barbecue, and drink Lone Star Beer). One is to head out to the Ballpark in Arlington to catch a Texas Rangers game, and the other is to get in a round of golf on Saturday. Any listees in the area baseball fans or golfers ? Let me know off list. Thanks Todd Henry --- --- cthenrys@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:22:29 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: an )t) TV recommendation Message-ID: <396BC855.F26D378B@ptdprolog.net> I went to a lecture at the Smithsonian this weekend in DC. Joe Foss gave a great 1 1/2 hour talk on Marine aviation over Guadalcanal. I came away amazed at how people and events I had read about, he had actually known and participated in. While just about all the WWI vets are now gone, we are also fast losing those who won WWII. Find them now and talk to them. Mike Muth Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: I like going out to > the PoF museum, like I did last December when the Pearl Harbor Survivors were > there, and running across an old guy with "USS San Francisco" on his hat, and > asking him if he was aboard her at Guadalcanal, and listening to this old > ship's company Marine tell me about coming down onto the bridge after they > were hit and seeing "hamburger, nothing but hamburger there," and then > careening out of control through the Japanese fleet. It's the story of the > people who were there, not the "designated heroes" that interests me now, > because it's those stories multiplied in their thousands that is the real > truth. > > Bringing this back OT, wouldn't it have been nice if they could have done a > show like this back in 1960, with veterans of the Somme??? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:52:10 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Letters to DML for Fok. D.VII reissue? Message-ID: <6c.10a8b00.269d294a@aol.com> DML lists the DVII in their 2000 catalogue, so its probably not going to be OOP for too long, At least I hope so, has anyone seen or heard about Hasegawa's release of the DML from a couple of years ago, I saw one, once, has anybody checked their distributors? Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:06:24 -0400 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How to hide sins Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:59:59 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >In a message dated 7/11/0 5:20:37 PM, lordfernettix@hotmail.com writes: > >>Come on, married listees, tell us how do we have to do to hide our innocent >> >>"sins" > Over the last 28 years I've maybe had to sneek in a few but for the most part my wife has always been supportive of my modeling hobbies. Of course it helps that she herself enjoys quilting and other crafts, as well as sewing. So we just kind of spoil each other. Maybe not very original but it has worked. Many years ago it did help to let her know that fondling a smooth, firm model was a reminder of how special she was. Now when I try that line all I get is "You must be talking about that rigging that's starting to sag...." :-) Len ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:05:08 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss' F.1 Message-ID: <61.5459187.269d2c54@aol.com> Rotary engines were notoriously short lived, Voss had that tripe for two months, and may have had more than one engine change, he had a lot of hours in the air during that period. BTW Tony F owned a good part of Oberursel, and his motto should have been "quick and cheap", he had a tendency to take the low bid, and ignore quality. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:18:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Voss' F.1 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D3AD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Merrill, > Rotary engines were notoriously short lived, Voss had that > tripe for two > months, and may have had more than one engine change, he had > a lot of hours > in the air during that period. Quite likely then, though (as with DB) I don't recall any photo of F.1 103/17 with other than an Oberursal > BTW Tony F owned a good part of Oberursel, > and his motto should have been "quick and cheap", he had a > tendency to take > the low bid, and ignore quality. God, I wish someone had shot Weyl at birth Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:26:24 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: DML contact address Message-ID: <015c01bfeba8$95cc71e0$742c57d8@cnlduckwor> As to 'helping' DML make the 'right' decision on reissuing the 1/48 DVII here's the email for suggestions: comment@dragon-models.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:29:44 -0400 From: "Ed Schaller" To: Subject: RE: Letters to DML for Fok. D.VII reissue? Message-ID: Dragon's web site lists both the Fokker D.VII (in Udet's markings, with bust), and the Fokker D.VIII. See http://www.dragon-models.com/html/modelf.html Under the Shanghai Dragon label (lower cost kits -- maybe no PE?) they list the SPAD and two versions of the Fokker Dr.I, Jacobs' and one with no pilot listed, but I've seen three recently arrived DML re-releases at Penn Valley hobbies, and the other Dr.I had Kempf's markings. Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > MAnde72343@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Letters to DML for Fok. D.VII reissue? > > > DML lists the DVII in their 2000 catalogue, so its probably not > going to be > OOP for too long, At least I hope so, has anyone seen or heard about > Hasegawa's release of the DML from a couple of years ago, I saw > one, once, > has anybody checked their distributors? > Merrill > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:36:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Letters to DML for Fok. D.VII reissue? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D3AE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ed > Under the Shanghai Dragon label (lower cost kits -- maybe no > PE?) they list > the SPAD and two versions of the Fokker Dr.I, Jacobs' and one > with no pilot Same kits, same PE Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:42:00 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: DML contact address Message-ID: <003c01bfebaa$debd9f80$c22eb8a1@darcy> I sent my request. Come on list let's give it a try! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles and Linda Duckworth To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 11 July, 2000 8:28 PM Subject: Re: DML contact address > As to 'helping' DML make the 'right' decision on reissuing the 1/48 DVII > here's the email for suggestions: comment@dragon-models.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:43:03 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: IPMS-Dallas Message-ID: <001c01bfebaa$e8627ec0$a3818ece@phoward> Marc, Jim Pliml and I from the Abilene chapter are planning on attending the Nats unless a catastrophe occurs. We're both slated to be helping out with judging, and aren't sure what times that will occupy for sure. We've been trying to work out a way to get over to see the collection, but something always seems to come up. Please keep us in mind for the trip. Thanks, Paul Howard -----Original Message----- From: Marc Flake To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:37 PM Subject: Re: IPMS-Dallas >Someone, Brent, I believe, was looking for a schedule of events to plan >our get together. Here is the most up-to-date rundown: > >Thursday 7/20 >Room 1 > Ship Modeling Joe Damato 12:00 > Models for Bosnia Floyd Werner 14:00 > Real Space Sven Knudson 16:00 > Aviation Jay Miller 18:00 > >Room 2 > Figure Modeling Jack Kennedy 12:00 > Auto Detailing Dennis Koelber 14:00 > >Friday 7/21 >Room 1 > Judging - Whys Aris Pappas 11:00 > IPMS & Internet Ralph Forehand 13:00 > Aircraft Research Bert Kinzey 15:00 > >Room 2 > Armor Modeling Bruce Culver 11:00 > Aircraft Detailing Bill Devins 13:00 > Armor Detailing Jon Baker 15:00 > >Saturday 7/22 >Room 2 > Kit Collecting John Burns 09:00 > Airbrush Bob Oehler 11:00 > Weathering Armor Lee Thomas 13:00 > Ship SIG/SMML Marc Flake 15:00 > >Room 1 > Small Scale SIG Bludworth TBA > >(You'll notice I've got a room reserved for the members of the ship >model mailing list who are attending. There are 30 attending and we >felt this was the best way to meet as there aren't many restaurant >tables in Dallas that will seat 30. I think we'd have to travel to >Amarillo for that many to sit down at one table. BTW, there are rooms >available Friday morning if WW1 listees want to meet for a "reception.") > >Also, I've contacted the Ferko Collection people out at the UT at >Dallas. They would welcome any of us that want to come out and buy some >of their "duplicates." But they have two conditions. Only two people >at a time can browse the shelves, while the others waited by the >information desk. And we need to let them know when we're coming so >they can warn "researchers from around the world" who are using the >collection. > >I know I'm going out there and I wouldn't mind having company. I can >even wrangle the van from my wife for the day, so I could transport up >to 7 WW1 Modelers to the university. > >I was planning on doing this Thursday or Friday morning. Anybody want a >ride? > >Marc > >Marc > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:30:37 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Dallas Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000711222807.00a4fb50@mail> Having been disconnected for an extended period of time from the list has me at a bit of a disadvantage about the upcoming Nats. I gather they are here in town this coming weekend. For those who will actually be here and have the time during the daylight hours, I strongly suggest a trip over to the University of Texas at Dallas to visit the History of Aviation Collection! They are open 9am - 5pm, the last time I looked. Doug -------------------------------------------------- Douglas R. Jones 972-394-4332 'I am a traveler of both Time and Space' Led Zeppelin -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:45:43 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: an )t) TV recommendation Message-ID: Discovery-Wings channel did a nice histoire de Bleriot et Spad. Check for the repeats. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:02:49 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Wow ! Message-ID: <011001bfebb6$0d9afea0$ba371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: E McCann To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Wow ! > At 11:26 PM 7/10/00 -0400, you wrote: > OK, first message for me here. Hi, everyone... hoping to learn a lot > as I get the nerve up to dive into one of these things with more than one > wing... and a lot of rigging, which is probably the most nerve-jarring bit > to me (besides aligning upper wings Hey Eric, Welcome to the dark side (heh, small night fighter joke :->). Haven't been here all that long myself but can tell you that this is a definitely a more relaxed and fun bunch than RMS! I think you'll learn a lot! I already have... Regards, Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:12:36 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Not Going to the Nats :-( but.... Message-ID: <011601bfebb7$69cf5080$ba371c18@tampabay.rr.com> one of my models will be making the trip in my place. One of my fellow club members had a wee bit of room he was willing to fit one of my WWI kits into for travel in the overhead compartment. Alas, it will not be the 1 1/2 Strutter! Instead, the best I could do was my 1/72nd scale Toko Siemens Schukert DIV done in Alfred Lerner's scheme. It is straight out of the box, using the kit recommended color scheme except I had to use some brass sheet to make elevator control horns as the Toko molded horns were broken or incompletly molded on my kit (and way to short and thick anyway). I also usedSuperscale lozenge for the upper wings and cut down Aeromaster 1/48th rib tapes to scale. So look for "me" at the Biplanes Smaller than 1/48th category. Let me know what you think. Drink a lot of Lone Star before you check it out :-) Dicta Ira at Dallas, y'all. I will be unsubscribing at the end of the week for the next two weeks as I submerge into the Atlantic Ocean to do some deep-sea research off North Carolina. I'll check back in when I come up for air ;-) Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:19:53 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Workbench Pics aka also looking for Message-ID: <54.676ce09.269d4be9@aol.com> In a message dated 7/11/00 2:20:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lordfernettix@hotmail.com writes: << Come on, married listees, tell us how do we have to do to hide our innocent "sins" (sorry Sharon!) D. >> SELL the occasional model and tell her that's where your fortune is! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:19:49 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss' F.1 Message-ID: <6f.788df07.269d4be5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/11/00 7:21:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << God, I wish someone had shot Weyl at birth Shane >> I would've pulled the trigger. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:19:50 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: just submerged, not un-subbed.... Message-ID: <20.8867909.269d4be6@aol.com> Howdy all, and to the newbies too! Jeez, lately I've been so drowned, bedraggled and harried with work that I haven't really been able to do a lot of posting to the List....so- in case anybody was wondering, I'm not un-subbed, I'm just submerged for the time. Still painting, but starting to drool over the day the pressure lets up and I'm thinking strongly about doing an accurate 1/48 Fokker E.III. So far, it looks like I'll be using the old Renwal Aeroskin wing- it's the most accurate wing around town (or at least the most easily corrected!) Last night I got out all the references and the drafting tools and began to mess around with the Eduard, the Renwal, the Tom's Modelworks vac, and some vac kit who's origin I haven't a clue about. Unlike the Eduard, the Renwal has the correct number of ribs AND it's not undersized like all the rest. A little refinement and some silkspan and dope and it'll make a great wing. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:19:51 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How to hide sins Message-ID: <99.7712c08.269d4be7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/11/00 3:57:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, PolTexCW@aol.com writes: << "On ho! The Kapusta z Robakami 843 Asymetrical Quadraplane that you bought me for Malcolm Muggeridge Day in 1996, has finally arrived from Miszkykiszky!" >> Last Malcolm Muggeridge Day, my wife actually gave me the Revellagawa 1/32 Linke-Hoffmann R.II. That four and a half foot wing really made a great coffee table.....although beer spills tend to make the lozenge decaling go all bubbly. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:01:26 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: just submerged, not un-subbed.... Message-ID: <004701bfebbe$3c5e7480$a3818ece@phoward> Robert, I know what you mean about being submerged in work. I've been so busy lately (make closer to a year) that I couldn't face working on a model when I got home. (I work on electronic circuit boards using a 40x microscope) After eight hours of that, the ability to face a rework of (insert most hated kit and most obvious flaw here) just hasn't been there. The new son we had in January has taken up what time and energy that was left. That was until this week! I took three weeks leave, and have been trying to get this Triplane up on it's gear. I'd almost forgotten how much I liked building models... Take Care Paul H -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:24 PM Subject: just submerged, not un-subbed.... >Howdy all, and to the newbies too! >Jeez, lately I've been so drowned, bedraggled and harried with work that I >haven't really been able to do a lot of posting to the List....so- in case >anybody was wondering, I'm not un-subbed, I'm just submerged for the time. >Still painting, but starting to drool over the day the pressure lets up and >I'm thinking strongly about doing an accurate 1/48 Fokker E.III. So far, it >looks like I'll be using the old Renwal Aeroskin wing- it's the most accurate >wing around town (or at least the most easily corrected!) Last night I got >out all the references and the drafting tools and began to mess around with >the Eduard, the Renwal, the Tom's Modelworks vac, and some vac kit who's >origin I haven't a clue about. Unlike the Eduard, the Renwal has the correct >number of ribs AND it's not undersized like all the rest. A little refinement >and some silkspan and dope and it'll make a great wing. >RK > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:57:37 MDT From: "Charles Hart" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DML contact address Message-ID: <20000712055737.34065.qmail@hotmail.com> Well, I don't know about you all, but I surfed to that URL and found a listing for the Fokker D-VII kit that includes the resin Udet bust. Haven't seen one in my local shop yet, though. Charles >>>>>>>> To anyone interested here is the URL for contact addresses uses by DML. Anyone who would like to contact DML about them reissueing their Fokker D.Vll. can find a bunch of different email addresses that could be used to let them know our wishes.http://www.dragon-models.com/html/wingsf.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:48:15 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Not Going to the Nats :-( but.... Message-ID: <005b01bfebc5$37f745a0$f380aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >one of my models will be making the trip in my place. One of my fellow club >members had a wee bit of room he was willing to fit one of my WWI kits into >for travel in the overhead compartment Jack, haul your butt out of your basement and get it to Dallas!!! I HATE asking about a model and amiring it and all and to have someone say: 'well, it's a friend's model, but I brought it here for him'. Seriously though, I wish I could meet up with you and talk shop. You will be missed. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:51:10 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Voss' F.1 Message-ID: <005c01bfebc5$38c0b020$f380aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Although I wasn't there, so I can't be more definitave than the pics.... DB -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:21 PM Subject: RE: Voss' F.1 >Merrill, > > >> Rotary engines were notoriously short lived, Voss had that >> tripe for two >> months, and may have had more than one engine change, he had >> a lot of hours >> in the air during that period. > >Quite likely then, though (as with DB) I don't recall any photo of F.1 >103/17 with other than an Oberursal > >> BTW Tony F owned a good part of Oberursel, >> and his motto should have been "quick and cheap", he had a >> tendency to take >> the low bid, and ignore quality. > >God, I wish someone had shot Weyl at birth > >Shane > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:36:37 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss' F.1 switching to triplane evolution designation Message-ID: <200007120638.e6C6cK282338@ind.cioe.com> Hi Dave, >Though I have searched my references, and find them to say that Voss tripe had a captured engine and prop, my pics CLEARLY show what looks to be an Oberursel and DEFINITELY an Axial prop. Any feedback? You're correct in the fact that Imrie states on page 39, "The British found that 103/17 was powered by 110hp Le Rhone No. T6247J, the engine that had been fitted to Nieuport 17 A6693 flown by Lieutenant E. J. D. Townsend of No 60 Squadron, RFC, who was reported missing on 5 April 1917." Now to "change gears", I've been having trouble understanding the difference between the Fokker V.5 and F I 102/17. Anyone's input of clarification would be appreciated. You may want to take another read on the Imrie book on page 31. It gets a bit confusing. He mentions different nomenclature designations such as, V.4, V.5, V.6, D.VI, D.VII, F.I, and Dr.I and gives a smattering of assorted Fokker factory Werk numbers. My take on it is, (without digging into other references), as follows; Fokker in anticipation of contracts being given out of three triplanes to different manufacturers began development. When he received his contract, he already had the D.VI, (later V.4) completed, (recognizable from the lack of struts and balanced ailerons), and utilized it as one of the aircraft for the contract. D.VI, V.4, werk number 1661 Later modified with struts and balanced ailerons and elevator. Mistakenly designated/identified as V.5 on photographs in the Fokker archives. Aircraft sent to Matyasföld, Hungary. D.VI, V.5, werk number 1697 Military designated FI 101/17. First true prototype Dr.I. D.VII, V.6, werk number 1698 Mercedes powered triplane prototype. Third triplane prototype filling Idflieg's contract. Based on the V.4's performance work began on two pre-production triplanes for front-line evaluation. FI 102/17, werk number 1729 FI 103/17, werk number 1730 My confusion comes form the fact that Imrie states on page 22, photo caption 23.; "Voss's mechanics, Gefreiter (lance-corporal) Ruser and Flieger (private) Karl Timm, with 103/17 at Marcke aerodrome near Courtai shortly after the arrival of this aircraft in August 1917. Note the lack of wingtip skids, one of the features by which Fokker V 4 triplanes can be identified." Later he states Voss flying 102/17 may have returned to Schwerin, (see page 37), to fly the production Fokker V.5 and see what improvements had been made over his V.4. Was it only the first six triplanes that were lacking wing struts? What are their Bestell numbers, 101/17 ?, 102/17, 103/17 and ? ? On page 39, Imrie brings up the possibility that Voss ran out of fuel on the day of his demise, and goes into the comparisons of V.4 to V.5 triplane. Does he "group/designate" the early triplanes as V.4s and all of the production triplanes as V.5s? Thanks for any clarification. Best, Dave Watts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:16:14 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1FAQ" Subject: Muromets info Message-ID: <000201bfebf0$6c52b020$9f2c57d8@cnlduckwor> Mike Kendix - tried to send you and email but it bounced back - thanks for the articles on building the ICM kit, Charlie ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2000 04:00:26 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: just submerged, not un-subbed.... Message-ID: <20000712110026.314.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Tue, 11 July 2000, KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > Howdy all, and to the newbies too! > Jeez, lately I've been so drowned, bedraggled and harried with work that I > haven't really been able to do a lot of posting to the List....so- in case > anybody was wondering, I'm not un-subbed, I'm just submerged for the time. > Still painting, but starting to drool over the day the pressure lets up and > I'm thinking strongly about doing an accurate 1/48 Fokker E.III. So far, it > looks like I'll be using the old Renwal Aeroskin wing- it's the most accurate > wing around town (or at least the most easily corrected!) Last night I got > out all the references and the drafting tools and began to mess around with > the Eduard, the Renwal, the Tom's Modelworks vac, and some vac kit who's > origin I haven't a clue about. Unlike the Eduard, the Renwal has the correct > number of ribs AND it's not undersized like all the rest. A little refinement > and some silkspan and dope and it'll make a great wing. > RK Hi RK I was wondering what happened to you. I know what you mean about being drowned in work. After 6 months of nothing to do, suddenly I've got three major project all due out around the same time. I even had to delay my vacation!! It sorta makes it difficult to work on a personal CAD project when you are already doing it for 10 hrs a day. I was wondering if you are going to try to maintain some transparency with that Renwal Aeroskin wing. It would probably be a pain. But those big semi-transparent wings are such a major feature that it might be worth it. I have a Renwall kit which I bought maybe 20 yrs ago, 3 pre-ww1 airplanes in 1/72 scale. I started all of them but never seemed to build up enough enthusiasm to finish one. I've always wanted a kit where you can see the guts - it's just that the wing rib detail was so thick that it seemed more effort to rework the Renwal parts than it would be to just scratch build it - but that would take forever so around and around it goes . The partialy built kits are around here somewhere, buried in a box, probably missing some parts. a 1/48 scale monoplane might be a different story. Now get back to work Mark _______________________________________________________________________ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:08:19 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1FAQ" Subject: My note back from DML on Fokker DVII reissue Message-ID: <004b01bfebf1$7e998820$9f2c57d8@cnlduckwor> Well, I received a quick respond from DML on re-issuing the DVII......perhaps additional emails from the list members will 'help' them on "...study the possibility.." Charlie >Dear Sir, > >Thanks for your continuous support to Dragon's model kits. We are glad to >learn your interest towards our Fokker DVII, however we are afraid it may >not so easy for us to re-release the mentioned aircraft becasue all of the >producion line has been scheduled for the upcoming release. Anyway, we will >study the possibility and keep you posted on this. > >Best regards >Dragon Models ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:16:54 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Workbench Pics aka also looking for Message-ID: <96.70cca32.269dada6@aol.com> In a message dated 7/11/00 3:39:59 PM EST, VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com writes: << To the group, I am looking for a DML D.Vll Fokker for my Berthold project, I've been watching ebay for some time now and no luck. By chance does anyone have a spare or one they would be willing to part with? Best regards, Jon >> Hey Jon, Our local hobby shop (Scale Reproductions) had one last time I was in there, I think it was the Udet version. The proprietor is Brian Bunger, he does do some mail order, if you would like to contact him, his e-mail is: brian@sri.win.net I am not affiliated with the shop except as a (very)satisfied customer. Returning to lurk mode Skippy (Scott) King ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2459 **********************