WWI Digest 2449 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Strutter info needed by "Bob Pearson" 2) Re: Hanover CL-IIIa by "Bob Pearson" 3) Re: 7 Swabians by "David Calhoun" 4) RE: Strutter info needed by "Graham Hunter" 5) Re: Why Green Wings? by "Tom Solinski" 6) Re: Why Green Wings? by MAnde72343@aol.com 7) Re: Strutter info needed by MAnde72343@aol.com 8) Re: Hanover CL-IIIa by MAnde72343@aol.com 9) Re: Why Green Wings? by skarver@banet.net 10) Re: Why Green Wings? by skarver@banet.net 11) Re: Why Green Wings? by Lee Mensinger 12) Re: Why Green Wings? by Lyle H Lamboley 13) Re: Why Green Wings? by Lyle H Lamboley 14) Thought some of you might want to take a look. Forgive me if it's old news. by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" 15) RE: 7 Swabians by Shane Weier 16) RE: Strutter info needed by Shane Weier 17) Re: Eduard kits by Otisgood@aol.com 18) Re: Why Green Wings? by Lee Mensinger 19) Re: Strutter info needed by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) Re: Hanover CL-IIIa by bucky@ptdprolog.net 21) Re: Strutter info needed by MAnde72343@aol.com 22) Re: Strutter info needed by ERIC HIGHT 23) RE: Strutter info needed by Shane Weier 24) Re: Strutter info needed by Albatrosdv@aol.com 25) New idea for Copper State - was Re: Strutter info needed by Albatrosdv@aol.com 26) RE: New idea for Copper State - was Re: Strutter info needed by Shane Weier 27) Re: Strutter info needed by ERIC HIGHT 28) Re: New idea for Copper State - was Re: Strutter info needed by Albatrosdv@aol.com 29) Re: Strutter info needed by Albatrosdv@aol.com 30) Re: Strutter info needed by ERIC HIGHT 31) Re: Thought some of you might want to take a look. Forgive me if it's by mdf 32) Re: Thought some of you might want to take a look. Forgive me if it's by mdf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 10:59:32 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <200007041814.LAA18588@mail.rapidnet.net> For an account of Collishaw's time on the Strutter read my article on No.3 Wing RNAS in OTF 13/4 .. which they have posted on the OTF website. It can be found at http://www.overthefront.com the article title is "More than Could be Reasonably Anticipated" And is based on 500+ pages of their records in my possession. The really neat thing is that most of the raids are described in their own words. Unlike most WW1 units, No.3 Wing required all aircrew to write an account of their flight upon landing. Collishaw is generally credited with downing an EA on the 12th Octobr 1916 raid on Oberndorf - however nowhere in his report does he make such a claim. One more case of where 'accepted knowledge' becomes fact and the truth no longer is believed to be such The 'mission' you refer to was supposed to be a short hop from Luxeuil-les-bains to their new field at Ochey, hence no gunlayer (as they were termed). There are two OOP books available on Collishaw, his autobiography and a 125 page xeroxed, spiral bound thingie by the infamous TBA Graves consisting of his combat reports, some photos and a bio. This is called "Unsung Hero - The Combat Diary of Raymond Collishaw" Readers take note - his autobiography was written in the 1960s, and while the larger events most certainly did take place, the smaller details may be taken with a grain of salt. Collishaw is someone who needs a bio of a standard to Wayne Ralph's recent Barker bio. There is lots of stuff on him that needs correcting, but online is not the place to introduce it. I must say that Collishaw is one of those whom I find fascinating and the above is not meant to belittle him, rather it serves to make him human. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 For the CBR/RNP Profile page visit http://members.xoom.com/profileart/ Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:05:25 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanover CL-IIIa Message-ID: <200007041814.LAA18592@mail.rapidnet.net> Light blue or gray overall was one of the schemes carried by the CL.II (not the CL.IIIa, but close). AFAIK the banded 'Pfalz' style camo is fiction based on John Batchelor's illustration in one of the many books he illustrated. Doesn't mean it didn't exist, just that I haven't seen any in such a state. The fuselage lozenge is overpainted by a dark blue in any case, so just go to a really dark blue and say"what? can't you see the lozenges? They are there." Bob ---------- >From: Allan Wright >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Hanover CL-IIIa >Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2000, 9:03 am > > I have to build a Hannover CL-IIIa for a wargaming friend. I really > don't want to do the whole fuselage in lozenge if I don;t have to. > Does anyone know of any schemes for the CL-IIIa that minimize the > use of lozenge? > > Thanks, > Al > > ============================================================================ === > Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny > University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > ============================================================================ === ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:14:02 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: 7 Swabians Message-ID: <017401bfe5fc$c8c5f8c0$a70a3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Mike, I have a photo taken of the 7 swabians markings as painted on the 1/1 scale Fok. D.VII at Rhinebeck Aerodrome several years ago. Can't comment on the accuracy of the colors, but I can scan the photo & e-mail it to you if you want. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Jack Gartner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:45 PM Subject: Re: 7 Swabians > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mike Franklin >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:05 PM >Subject: 7 Swabians > > >> Anybody have any ideas about the colors of these markings? >> >> Mike Franklin >> Bellingham, WA >> >> "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit." >> > >Mike, > >FWIW, I have the PD decal set and the liner notes indicate that there is no >accurate info about the coloring of the Swabians or the antler set in the >shield on the fuselage spine. > >What you could do is go to Shane Weir's page of pics in the Gallery and pull >up one of the images of his Swabian build and copy his colors. That way, >you'd know there's at least one lister who couldn't give you a hard time >about color choices ;-) > >Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 >diaphus@tampabay.rr.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:49:20 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <000801bfe5e8$90b026e0$fa0101c0@grahamh> -----Original Message----- Bob Pearson Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 01:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Excellent article, Bob. I read it a while back. It gave me more details on Collishaw's time with 3 Wing and more specifically the Luxeuil les bains mission. < Collishaw is someone who needs a bio of a standard to Wayne Ralph's recent Barker bio. There is lots of stuff on him that needs correcting, but online is not the place to introduce it. I must say that Collishaw is one of those whom I find fascinating and the above is not meant to belittle him, rather it serves to make him human.> A Wayne Ralph calibre bio of Collishaw would be excellent. Regards, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:56:40 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? Message-ID: <003a01bfe5f1$f8b5b440$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> Yea, but, didn't the plywood skinned wing get a coat of fabric too? Tom S ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Mensinger To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? > That is true. The wings did not need fabric of any kind on either side. Don't > need rib tapes either. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:47:02 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? Message-ID: Because they were plywood, and the fabric would have only made them heavier. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:49:45 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: Graham, don't buy the Toms Strutter, the Copper State one is much better, (check out Jack Gartners at the WWI page) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:59:32 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanover CL-IIIa Message-ID: <61.50beba2.2693aa34@aol.com> At least some of them had the fuselage painted dark blue, and the Roland built examples may have been overall light blue, The Hannover crews were confident in their plane, and colorful unit markings are mentioned, but not detailed. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:15:22 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? Message-ID: <396253EA.791A10A1@banet.net> Tom Solinski countered: > Yea, but, didn't the plywood skinned wing get a coat of fabric too? > So, what about Albatros fuselages, eh? Stef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:16:44 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? Message-ID: <3962543C.CF99DADD@banet.net> MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: > Because they were plywood, and the fabric would have only made them heavier. Yeah? So what about Roland fuselages, eh? Stef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:56:12 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, tskio4@home.com, lemen@x25.net Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? Message-ID: <39625D7B.5262CEAE@x25.net> I don't think so but I will certainly ask the builder. I was, unfortunately on vacation when then did the wing and when I got back it was done and painted. No way to really tell at that point. I took numerous photos and never did notice a clue. Must admit I should have checked at the time. Looking at the photos doesn't help at all. It is at Fort Rucker now and not available to me any longer. I will find out and report to all. Being 4 July it would be best to get the info another day. Lee M Tom Solinski wrote: > Yea, but, didn't the plywood skinned wing get a coat of fabric too? > > Tom S > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lee Mensinger > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? > > > That is true. The wings did not need fabric of any kind on either side. > Don't > > need rib tapes either. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:56:40 -0400 From: Lyle H Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? Message-ID: <20000704.175640.-1925667.1.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> >From what I have read and heard, the plywood-covered wings were simply painted the Fokker dark olive and maybe a coat of varnish over that with no fabric. However, Brian Coughlin of the Rhinebeck Aerodrome gang has built two E.Vs, and on both covered the wings with plain fabric before painting them solid olive. Besides, the 160 Gnome he uses for power is certainly more than enough to make up for any negligible increase in weight. Lee, I take it that Roger F. did his E.V in the most authentic way possible, and from the photos I've seen in WWI Aero and the ones you've submitted, it's really fantastic. Is he planning on coming up to Dayton in September with it? TIA Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:02:36 -0400 From: Lyle H Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? Message-ID: <20000704.180236.-1925667.2.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Lee, I just read the post about Ft. Rucker and where the E.V is. Thanks indirectly! Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:09:47 +0100 From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" To: "WW1 Modelling list" Subject: Thought some of you might want to take a look. Forgive me if it's old news. Message-ID: <00a901bfe604$92710000$acdf41c2@pc1> Hi guys, Great Darius, If you're subbed, check this out : http://www.aviapress.com/book/other/book042.htm I miss you guys!! Pedro (still unsubbed) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:21:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: 7 Swabians Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D368@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave, , > I have a photo taken of the 7 swabians markings as painted on > the 1/1 scale > Fok. D.VII at Rhinebeck Aerodrome several years ago. Can't > comment on the > accuracy of the colors, but I can scan the photo & e-mail it > to you if you > want. FWIW I think we should discount the Rhinebeck Swabians as a reference. Compared to the photos of the original I suspect the "artist" was told to "paint 7 little guys holding a spear" on each side and given little other direction. Um... Okay, that's a small exageration, but the poses, clothes and general feel are dramatically different from the original Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:45:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D369@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Merrill comments: > Graham, don't buy the Toms Strutter, the Copper State one is > much better, > (check out Jack Gartners at the WWI page) While this is quite likely true, it (like most of Erics tasty kits) is extremely expensive. NO - I don't think it's overpriced for what you get, but the W.4 for example costs more here than four Eduard Profipacks. At some value (which for me is around double the Profipack price) the pain versus desire barrier makes the cheaper, possibly more difficult kit, the better option. Of course *everyones* MMV Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:48:03 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard kits Message-ID: <94.6a12d5b.2693c3a3@aol.com> In a message dated 7/3/00 9:30:40 PM Central Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > Pfalz D.III or Pfalz D.IIIa ? > > I know what you've said - just that the fit and finish of my D.III kits are > pretty good but not so precise as the D.IIIa > The DIIIa is superior to the DIII, but they're both pretty simple as WWI kits go, and to me, the easiest of the other kits listed. OG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:26:55 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, lemen@x25.net, lyle.lamboley@juno.com Subject: Re: Why Green Wings? Message-ID: <396272BF.525D9E96@x25.net> The E-V is now the property of the U.S. Army Museum, Fort Rucker, Alabama and it most likely will stay where it is at. It was shipped over there a few months back. I have sent several dozen photos to Allan, (Far to many to post all of them) and he will probably post what he believe is best. If anyone has questions I may have a "detail" photo I can forward by e-mail. A number of 1.5 to 2 foot close-ups are on hand and forwarding is almost as easy as breathing. I do not have them all immediately available but it is getting that way. Lee M. Lyle H Lamboley wrote: > >From what I have read and heard, the plywood-covered wings were simply > painted the Fokker dark olive and maybe a coat of varnish over that with > no fabric. However, Brian Coughlin of the Rhinebeck Aerodrome gang has > built two E.Vs, and on both covered the wings with plain fabric before > painting them solid olive. Besides, the 160 Gnome he uses for power is > certainly more than enough to make up for any negligible increase in > weight. > Lee, I take it that Roger F. did his E.V in the most authentic way > possible, and from the photos I've seen in WWI Aero and the ones you've > submitted, it's really fantastic. Is he planning on coming up to Dayton > in September with it? TIA > Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:40:26 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: In a message dated 7/4/00 3:52:47 PM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << Graham, don't buy the Toms Strutter, the Copper State one is much better, (check out Jack Gartners at the WWI page) >> No putdown of Eric here, it's a fine kit. However, the truth is the Copper State kit is based on the Tom's Modelworks kit, so on the surface they will look similar. It is possible, with a vacuform, to make the wings thinner than they are on the resin kit, which is more accurate. Past that, it is possible for a modeler to buy the photo-etch and decals for the Copper State kit from Eric, and use that on the Tom's kit. The Tom's kit and the decals and photoetch are still going to come out considerably cheaper than the Copper State kit, which is a consideration for some of us. Beyond that, everyone should do a vacuform every once in awhile for the fun of it and to hone abilities that will serve you making the reddy-bilts. :-) This is basically what I am doing, other than getting individual aircraft markings for a 3 Wing Strutter from a certain source of accurate information. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:46:27 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanover CL-IIIa Message-ID: <39627753.9C42BDEF@ptdprolog.net> Alan There's a somewhat boring Polish scheme of darek green over CDL that was used post-1918. Mike Muth Allan Wright wrote: > I have to build a Hannover CL-IIIa for a wargaming friend. I really > don't want to do the whole fuselage in lozenge if I don;t have to. > Does anyone know of any schemes for the CL-IIIa that minimize the > use of lozenge? > > Thanks, > Al > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny > University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:54:37 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <15.60dafc7.2693d33d@aol.com> Eric's had the strutter on sale, and offers discounts to list members, I love Tom's PE, but his kits are still fairly crude, how much is the pain in several and various body parts worth? Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:48:24 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000704184824.00708c08@pop.amug.org> tom, sorry tom ya got it wrong again! my strutter is NOT based on tom's kit. it is mastered by marty from his drawings. and i guarentee my wing te's are as thin or thinner than any vac or plastic kit. it is true that i bought the whole line of tom's kits about 4 years ago but only produced the pfalz d.xii and the halb. cl.iv(now permentaly out of production as will the d.xii as soon i get rid of all of them). they are of such poor quality that i won't be doing any more of them. i have the "bucks" and a bunch of the vac sheets. i will be selling all the vac sheets in dallas and if some one makes me a reasonable offer on the bucks i'll sell them also. in hind site it was one of those business decsions i wish i hadn't made. actually i would like to get rid of the whole kit and cabbodle of the whole line!!!! i realize that the kits are "exspensive" but ya gets whats ya pay for!! if you really want a strutter contact me off list and i may be able to help you. remember your dicta ira 10% discount. this applies to everything even on sale items except the props. one thing i can say is that since i am casting my own resin now you guys & gals will see a lot lower price on the kits. for example the swallow and ai are going to retail for $41.99 each. same quality(or better) and all the same details same just lower price. this should help. one last thing the pe people have promised(where have i heard that before) that i will have my pe for the swallow and ai on friday which means they will finally be released and i am still shooting for a late august(2000) release of the g.iii. thanks for the time, i'll go away now! regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:12:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D36B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Eric comments: > one thing i can say is that since i am casting my own resin > now you guys & > gals will see a lot lower price on the kits. for example the > swallow and > ai are going to retail for $41.99 each. same quality(or > better) and all > the same details same just lower price. This is good news for me. The two CSM kits I have fell within my pain barrier and were well worth the bucks, but I can't see myself buying any 1/48 kit for A$200 US$42 sits almost exactly on the pain/gain barrier for me, so I can get beyond automatic rejection to the much more enjoyable phase of justifying the expense ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:55:16 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <74.d00123.2693fd94@aol.com> In a message dated 7/4/00 8:51:43 PM EST, copperst@sd.amug.org writes: << i realize that the kits are "exspensive" but ya gets whats ya pay for!! >> Exactly! I hope I made it *very* clear that I think Copper State's resin models are excellent value for the money. In fact, if certain meetings in the next two weeks go as they appear they might, regarding "Trinity," I might in the forseeable future return to the land of the financially solvent and if so will celebrate by increasing Eric's solvency *significantly*!! And I will take the Dicta Ira discount which should be sufficient to add another kit in there when I do. I do still think that, every once in awhile, it's a good idea to do a model that challenges basic skills - it's like concert pianists still practice scales, you know? I have (ot) a couple of Aeroclub vac/mixed-media projects that have been staring at me long enough that, as I come to the tail end of the WW1 hoard, may take some of my time in the immediate future. Anyway, my *only* complaint about Copper State Models has been the relative thinness of *my* billfold - which ain't Eric's problem. :-) And thanks for clearing up the state of affairs regarding the Tom's Vac kits, since I did know you had bought them. That way, better I make a gaffe here about the Strutter than out in public on MM for the modeling masses. Cheers, Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:58:32 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New idea for Copper State - was Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: Eric: What's the possibility of doing the Sopwith Dove - that's the 2-seat Pup that they produced right after the war, supposed to be the first "sport" plane for all the pilots who'd flown during the war to go buy and take their girls up in. (Like the "postwar flying craze" that didn't happen in 1946-47 here - most of those guys probably didn't want to see another airplane at that point). Anyway, I saw a photo of that little gem recently, and I am amazed the EAA guys who do 1:1 Pups haven't grabbed on that one long ago. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:14:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New idea for Copper State - was Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D36F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom, > What's the possibility of doing the Sopwith Dove - that's the > 2-seat Pup that > they produced right after the war, supposed to be the first > "sport" plane for > all the pilots who'd flown during the war to go buy and take > their girls up > in. (Like the "postwar flying craze" that didn't happen in > 1946-47 here - > most of those guys probably didn't want to see another > airplane at that > point). Wrong analysis IMHO. The post *WW1* flying craze *did* happen - but the availability of cheap ex military aircraft (Jennies to y'all, Avro 504's to us) made a purpose built new aircraft an unlikely proposition. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:52:29 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000704215229.007697d8@pop.amug.org> tom, no problem. i didn't take any of it negitively. i just had to "set" you straight! that's how ugly rumors get started!! i have learned to take critism in this buisness if you can't you get awfully hurt feelings. on the dove i'll keep it in mind. i have kinda wanted to stay with wwi and the other thing would be getting the master made. marty's strickly an OT guy. but anything is possible. thanks for the idea. shane, what 2 csm kits do you have and where did you get them? if i may be so nosy. thanks for the input! eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:57:32 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New idea for Copper State - was Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: In a message dated 7/4/00 11:24:13 PM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Wrong analysis IMHO. The post *WW1* flying craze *did* happen - but the availability of cheap ex military aircraft (Jennies to y'all, Avro 504's to us) made a purpose built new aircraft an unlikely proposition. >> Right. for the 10% who wanted to *see* an airplane afterwards (speaking of pilots), the $50 ex-WW.1 Jennies did do that here (as did the 504s there). They *killed* postwar aviation development for ten years as far as worthwhile designs were concerned. Another killer here was that damn Curtiss OX-5 engine (the *worst* aviation engine ever made on any technical critique - but made in major quantities that killed off engine development for 15 years. TC Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:02:42 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <6.83d465a.26941b72@aol.com> In a message dated 7/4/00 11:54:43 PM EST, copperst@sd.amug.org writes: << on the dove i'll keep it in mind. i have kinda wanted to stay with wwi and the other thing would be getting the master made. marty's strickly an OT guy. but anything is possible. thanks for the idea. >> Outside of the upper deck, it's a Pup. Do a Pup (OOP at Eduard now) with the extra parts as an alternative. Or do a conversion for the Pup kit (I would buy it for my Eduard kit sitting here!) Tom Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:08:31 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter info needed Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000704220831.0070b828@pop.amug.org> a conversion would certainly be an option. eric At 01:08 AM 7/5/00 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/4/00 11:54:43 PM EST, copperst@sd.amug.org writes: > ><< on the dove i'll keep it in mind. i have kinda wanted to stay with wwi and > the other thing would be getting the master made. marty's strickly an OT > guy. but anything is possible. thanks for the idea. >> > >Outside of the upper deck, it's a Pup. Do a Pup (OOP at Eduard now) with the >extra parts as an alternative. > >Or do a conversion for the Pup kit (I would buy it for my Eduard kit sitting >here!) > >Tom > >Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:49:36 -0400 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thought some of you might want to take a look. 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