WWI Digest 2444 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by Lyle Lamboley 2) Contour Gauge by Brent & Tina Theobald 3) OT stuff in NYC ? by Mark Miller 4) Re: IPMS - Dallas by ERIC HIGHT 5) Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by Otisgood@aol.com 6) Re: A question about lozenge rib tapes by Otisgood@aol.com 7) Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by Albatrosdv@aol.com 8) Pfalz D III question. by "Mårten Tyllström" 9) Re: July Internet Modeler by "Richard Eaton" 10) RE: July Internet Modeler by Shane Weier 11) Contour gages: by Robert Horton 12) 7 Swabians by "Mike Franklin" 13) RE: Fokkers F.I WAS: Silverbird's Dr.I scans by Ivan Subrt 14) Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by "Jack Gartner" 15) Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by "Jack Gartner" 16) Re: A question about lozenge rib tapes by "Jack Gartner" 17) Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by "Jack Gartner" 18) Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by Lyle Lamboley 19) Re: A question about lozenge rib tapes by "Jack Gartner" 20) Re: 7 Swabians by "Jack Gartner" 21) Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by "Paul G." 22) Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by "Jack Gartner" 23) Dicta Ira (was Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions) by "Bob Pearson" 24) RE: Fokkers F.I WAS: Silverbird's Dr.I scans by Shane Weier 25) RE: A question about lozenge rib tapes by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:11:35 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: <20000701.101138.-150829.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Jack Gartner writes: > The a/c is the overall silvergray forward fuselage with a blue > spinner and > rear fuselage/white rudder, and 5 lozenge u/l wing/stab/elevators. > Large > black swastikas on fuselage sides, with late war crosses on the > fuselage and > rudder, but Maltese crosses on upper and lower wings! > > If any of you "Pfalzophiles" can help me with the following > questions, I'd > greatly appreciate it: > > 1) (and most obvious) Is this color scheme accurate? Yes indeedy. > 2) If so, what shade of blue is most likely? Bavarian blue, probably faded a bit. > 3) If lozenge was used, any idea about rib tapes? Did Pfalz use > pink/blue > or lozenge strips? IIRC, the wings had lozenge tapes. But since I can't seem to find my Windsock with the pics of Pollinger's plane, I'm guessing here. > 4) Is the mix of cross styles on the same plane likely? I believe I > have > seen such cases in photos of other planes but cannot remember where. The wings did indeed have Cross Patee markings. Geez, Jack, I thought you had it in for us 48ers! Looks like you've decided to embrace the dark side. You be able to discard your jeweler's loupe finally. ;-) Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 09:38:06 -0500 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Contour Gauge Message-ID: <395E024E.15BEEC51@airmail.net> Howdy! A little tip someone shared with me once was to use a deck of cards as a contour gauge. You can hold them together with a bindery clip. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 2000 08:21:19 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: OT stuff in NYC ? Message-ID: <20000701152119.19661.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi I'm leaving for NYC in about 2hrs to see Springstein's final concert at MSG. I will have a couple of hours before the show so - I was wondering if anyone knows of any stores in Manhattan which carry datafiles. and which hobby stores have the largets OT content. Thanks in advance Mark Miller _______________________________________________________________________ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 08:37:19 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - Dallas Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000701083719.0074c830@pop.amug.org> marc, ernie has bowed out and said he is not able to attend. eric At 12:47 AM 7/1/00 -0400, you wrote: >Here's the list so far: > >Bill Bacon >David Burke >Marc Flake >John Glasser >Eric Hight >John Huggins >Steve Hustad (emeritus) >Lance Krieg >Mark Shannon >Brent Theobald >Ernest Thomas > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:55:17 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: In a message dated 6/30/00 11:07:49 PM Central Daylight Time, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: > 3) If lozenge was used, any idea about rib tapes? Did Pfalz use pink/blue > or lozenge strips? > > 4) Is the mix of cross styles on the same plane likely? I believe I have > seen such cases in photos of other planes but cannot remember Jack, My Datafile has a photo of Pollinger's captured plane clearly showing the older style crosses on the fuselage, rudder and lower wings. I have wondered where AeroMaster came up with the mix of styles. As for the lozenge, it's anybody's guess. The photos of Pollinger's plane are not clear regarding the lozenge, but the datafile shows other Pfalz's with what appear to be solid colored rib tapes over lozenge. so I think you could go either way and be OK. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:06:57 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A question about lozenge rib tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 6/30/00 11:20:09 PM Central Daylight Time, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: > 1) Did only certain manufacturers use blue/pink while others used lozenge > strips? I noted where someone indicated that Siemens-Schukert used lozenge > strips, but I have a photo in which the strips on a wings upper surface > appear as single tone light colored lines against the lozenge, which I > assume to be part of the blue/pink scheme. > > 2) When lozenge strips were applied, was there a concerted effort to EXACTLY > match the lozenge colors and outline of the underlying swatches? I don't > understand why they'd do that when it is apparent in some photos that the > aileron lozenge patterns not only don't match up with the nearest portion of > wing, but the lozenge direction differs from the wings. > > 3) In the case of wings with reinforcing ribs that do not extend the full > wing chord lying between the full wing chord ribs, did the partial chord > ribs also get taped (God, I HOPE not!). > > 4) Were there cases of lozenge fabric being used without being reinforced by > rib tapes at all? Or certain manufacturers that did that? > I would never say "only" about anything WWI, especially about lozenge. Certain manufacturers had a reputation for preferring certain methods, such as OAW pretty consistently used the pink/blue tapes, but even then they would sometimes only pink or only blue. Fokker primarily used lozenge fabric, but again, there were always exceptions. I would say that it was the rare builder you would try to match lozenge tapes with the underlying fabric. That would take an inordinate amount of time and waste a lot of material. Unless I had a photo showing it I would never attempt that (I might not even if I had a photo!). A few pictures in my Pfalz Datafile seem to indicate that half ribs were taped as well, but a few others indicate maybe not. I think you should do it just for the practice -:). It was common not to tape control surfaces, but I've never seen it not done on wings. Again, though, I won't say it was never done, cause I "warn't" there! Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:00:15 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: <2f.7660dd9.268f99bf@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/00 11:07:49 PM EST, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I've been casting around for an idea for my Tom's Modelworks DIIIa >> Can I respectfully suggest that, if it is the resin kit, you throw it against the wall as unlikely to ever get built right? The one I had had trailing edges that were 1/8" (flat) thick. The vacuform is based on the old Aurora kit and is incorrect (though you can make the wings the proper thinness). Then, after you have dumped that in the trash where it belongs (but kept the white metal machine guns, which are OK), go buy the Eduard kit, which is excellent as all who have done it will attest, and let yourself have a little Dicta Ira modeling. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:15:55 +0200 From: "Mårten Tyllström" To: "WW1 listan" Subject: Pfalz D III question. Message-ID: <001301bfe5ec$6feb5700$7cc443c3@u31603407> Hi all. First, hello and welcome to all newbies from Mårten Tyllström, Nol, Sweden. Second. I´m sitting here trying to get somewhere with my Eduard Pfalz D III when I discover that if I mount the engine according the instructions it get too high to line up with the prop-axle. If I don´t do this, the exhaust manifold wont fit ! Any good tip out there in list land ???? Mårten ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:40:38 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: July Internet Modeler Message-ID: <000b01bfe394$3e7b5bc0$bd191b18@austin.rr.com> Hey Shane, > > ot material by list members include two articles from Richard > > Eaton and one from me. > > > Boos ! > Thanks mate. That starry Albatros you cooked up looks incredible. Any chance you could put up a few more shots? > > Nice issue once again, but where the heck do you guys get the time to finish > all that stuff? Bob is highly practiced with the lash.;-) Regards, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:51:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: July Internet Modeler Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D354@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Richard, > Thanks mate. That starry Albatros you cooked up looks > incredible. I won't take any credit for that - I'm afraid that a fair division of credit runs, Eduard 90%, ham fisted shortsighted fat git 5%, sheer bloody luck 5%. IMO Eduards 1/72 Albatros D.V is *easily* the best OT kit in that scale and sure has the quality to make any modeller look good. > Any chance you could > put up a few more shots? I have about 8-9, waiting while I finish the text and HTML it. Sometime soon now ! > > > > Nice issue once again, but where the heck do you guys get > > the time to finish all that stuff? > > Bob is highly practiced with the lash.;-) Yes, he's quite the slave driver isn't he. Why, on the only occasion he published anything of mine he made me finish in mere years :-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 17:24:19 -0500 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Contour gages: Message-ID: <395E6F93.7AAF061F@netexpress.net> Hi List: I imagine this is about as time worn a hint as ever could be suggested...try cutting a piece of solid solder...and try to get the thinnest electronic type possible...roll a short section between hard surfaces to insure absoslustely straight pieces and then bend around the profile in question. Obviously it won't stand a lot of rough handling but you can transfer off lines and sections pretty decently...luck...RHorton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:04:30 -0700 From: "Mike Franklin" To: Subject: 7 Swabians Message-ID: <000d01bfe3b0$b7427b80$20edfc9e@default> Anybody have any ideas about the colors of these markings? Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:12:12 +0200 From: Ivan Subrt To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Fokkers F.I WAS: Silverbird's Dr.I scans Message-ID: <01BFE3C2.92049E40@plzena-99.vol.cz> Shane says: I believe that both Roden and Eduard are incorrect to depict the F.1 with the same tailplane as the Dr.I Some list members have suggested that the V.4 prototype was the one with the curved tailplane, but that this was changed for the F.I and Dr.I Maybe. I think the source of this particular explanation appears to be the Squadron Signal In Action, probably renowned as the least reliable reference book on the Dr.I However, Peter Bowers in his book "Triplanes" says that the F.I aircraft (101-103/17) were V.4 with V.5 wings, and further, that 101/17 became the true Dr.I prototype when continual modification brought it to V.5 standard (The V.5 is Fokkers own designation for the Dr.I) Alex Imrie, in "The Fokker Triplane" says of 102/17 and 103/17 "On July 11 work began on two pre-production triplanes for front line evaluation, based on the modified V.4. These were Fokker F.I 102/17 (Works No 1729) and F.I 103/17 (Works No 1730); and this explains why contemporary Fokker records identify them as Fokker V.4 triplanes" So - the F.I is a modification of the V.4, which had shorter wings and no struts. The modified V.4 is photo 17 in this book. To *my* eyes the tailplane has a curved leading edge though the angle is too poor to be sure. However - F.I 102/17 is pictured in Bowers page 47, Squadron Signal page 14 and the Windsock Datafile Special page 2 in a pose which shows quite neatly the curved leading edge of the tailplane. Suggestions that this is an artifact of the camera position would be more convincing if numerous photos in these references of Dr.I aircraft didn't have tailplanes with clearly straight leading edges despite very near identical camera angles. The upshot of this, *for me* at least, is that I believe that the F.I kits require some modification to the tailplane as well as leaving off the wingtip skids to correctly portray the aircraft intended Frankly, I'm a little confused now. Having a Squadron book and Czech magazine Aviation & Cosmonautics with several other modelling magazines as references, I feel there are several unclear points, but probably the Squadron's version is oversimplified: 1. V.3 prototype SS: cantilever triplane with curved tailplane LE and unbalanced ailerons and elevator A&C: thick wing sesquiplane W.Nr. 1610 2. V.4 prototype(s) SS: triplane with interplane struts, straight LE, balanced ailerons and elevator A&C: three machines a. cantilever biplane W.Nr. 1661 (Fokker designation D.VI), ordered on June 12 by Austro-Hungarian Air Force, probably curved tailplane LE and unbalanced ailerons and elevators, later modified as cantilever triplane, even later interplane struts added, balanced ailerons, tailplane LE NA, elevator NA b. two triplane machines W.Nr. 1729 and 1730 (serials 102/17 and 103/17), ordered on July 11, 1917, interplane struts, balanced ailerons, allegedly curved tailplane LE, elevator balance NA 3. V.5 prototype SS: NA A&C: triplane W.Nr. 1697 (Fokker designation D.VI, too), ordered on July 5, 1917 (serial 101/17), interplane struts, tailplane LE NA, elevator balance NA Three-view drawing of V.4 prototype in A&C shows curved LE with unbalanced elevator (same as Squadron V.3 drawing). The photo of 102/17 on page 14 of Squadron book shows curved LE, but BALANCED elevator. OTOH, photos of 101/17 (page 8) and 103/17 (pages 11 and 13) clearly show straight LE with balanced elevator. With photo on page 14 being the only one showing atypical tailplane (curved LE with balanced elevator) there either had to be THREE types of horizontal tailplane with 101/17 and 103/17 having one type and 102/17 the other (although 102/17 and 103/17 were built on one order), or this photo was badly retouched and the LE was in fact straight. Of course, my opinion is based only on sources I mentioned and I'd appreciate any supporting or refuting photographs or other evidence. Cheers! Ivan Subrt http://www.czechia.com/silverbird "The air is our sea." Czech proverb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:17:09 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: <002701bfe3cb$a268b2e0$28371c18@tampabay.rr.com> > > > 2) If so, what shade of blue is most likely? > > Bavarian blue, probably faded a bit. OK, Lyle, I'll bite. What's Bavarian blue, who makes the closest match (preferably enamel)? > Geez, Jack, I thought you had it in for us 48ers! Looks like you've > decided to embrace the dark side. You be able to discard your jeweler's > loupe finally. ;-) Nah - I just like to tweak the 48ers who think that's "God's scale". Lots of great stuff still in 1/72nd, but I have to admit, I'm much happier rigging in 1/48th! :-) Thanks for all the other good info. When are you going to come to a Pelikan meeting? Next one is July 11th... Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:18:58 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: <003a01bfe3cb$e272bde0$28371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions > In a message dated 6/30/00 11:07:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > > 3) If lozenge was used, any idea about rib tapes? Did Pfalz use pink/blue > > or lozenge strips? > > > > 4) Is the mix of cross styles on the same plane likely? I believe I have > > seen such cases in photos of other planes but cannot remember > > Jack, > My Datafile has a photo of Pollinger's captured plane clearly showing the > older style crosses on the fuselage, rudder and lower wings. I have wondered > where AeroMaster came up with the mix of styles. > > As for the lozenge, it's anybody's guess. The photos of Pollinger's plane are > not clear regarding the lozenge, but the datafile shows other Pfalz's with > what appear to be solid colored rib tapes over lozenge. so I think you could > go either way and be OK. > > Otis Thanks, Otis. I'll probably go blue/pink because it would tick me off to have to go to all that work aligning strips of lozenge tape that you wouldn't see after you were done! :-> Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:22:37 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: A question about lozenge rib tapes Message-ID: <004101bfe3cc$648478a0$28371c18@tampabay.rr.com> > A few pictures in my Pfalz Datafile seem to indicate that half ribs were > taped as well, but a few others indicate maybe not. I think you should do it > just for the practice -:). > Yeah, I'll do that when I rig an Etrich Taube - not! :-) > It was common not to tape control surfaces, but I've never seen it not done > on wings. > Again, though, I won't say it was never done, cause I "warn't" there! Learn something new every day on this group - both you and Shane pointed out that control surfaces weren't taped. That'll save a fair amount of time, actually, particularly when you put one strip across the wing/control surface and try to keep it straight as it pulls down into the gap :-> Thanks! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:29:06 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: <004c01bfe3cd$4bf03ee0$28371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions > In a message dated 6/30/00 11:07:49 PM EST, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > << I've been casting around for an idea for my Tom's Modelworks > DIIIa >> > > Can I respectfully suggest that, if it is the resin kit, you throw it against > the wall as unlikely to ever get built right? The one I had had trailing > edges that were 1/8" (flat) thick. The vacuform is based on the old Aurora > kit and is incorrect (though you can make the wings the proper thinness). > > Then, after you have dumped that in the trash where it belongs (but kept the > white metal machine guns, which are OK), go buy the Eduard kit, which is > excellent as all who have done it will attest, and let yourself have a little > Dicta Ira modeling. :-) > > Tom Cleaver > Tom, I have the resin kit and had the same problem with mine - the port wing trailing edge was about 1/8th or more thick, although the rest of the kit looks OK. I emailed Tom (of Modelworks) to ask for a good wing and he replied that he had sold the molds. However, he was nice enough to send me an Eduard top wing out of one of his old kits, apparently. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Eduard kit is a DIII, whereas the TM is a DIIIa which had different lower wings than the III. These different lower wings are in Toms kit. What I MAY do is the best of both worlds and kitbash the two together because I am only going to build one Pfalz anyway. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com PS I have seen this many times on the list postings, but haven't a clue - What does "Dicta Ira" mean? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:36:26 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: <20000701.223629.-384459.1.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:19:36 -0400 (EDT) "Jack Gartner" writes: > > > > > 2) If so, what shade of blue is most likely? > > > > Bavarian blue, probably faded a bit. > > OK, Lyle, I'll bite. What's Bavarian blue, who makes the closest > match > (preferably enamel)? A close match straight out of the bottle is Model Master Bright Blue (FS 35183). HTH-- Lyle Let me know off list where the meeting is going to be! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:39:13 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: A question about lozenge rib tapes Message-ID: <005e01bfe3ce$b81f7260$28371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:52 AM Subject: RE: A question about lozenge rib tapes > Jack, > > I'll take first swipe at this - Shane, Thank you - your responses were all that I hoped for - basically, the rule is there ain't no rule! I had started to sweat a bit when I saw that post about Siemens-Schukert tapes being lozenge after I had put almost 200 blue/pink tapes on my little Toko kit, which is what prompted my post. BTW, BEAUTIFUL job on the Albatros! I was eyeballing that scheme myself (not for the buildup but just because I love Albatri - my favorite WWI German single seater!). Just out of curiosity, is it color shifting of the digitized scan or are the dark parts of the fuselage not black? In the picture, it looks like a wine purple rather than black as called for in the kit instructions. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:44:00 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: 7 Swabians Message-ID: <007901bfe3cf$60f3f780$28371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Franklin To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:05 PM Subject: 7 Swabians > Anybody have any ideas about the colors of these markings? > > Mike Franklin > Bellingham, WA > > "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit." > Mike, FWIW, I have the PD decal set and the liner notes indicate that there is no accurate info about the coloring of the Swabians or the antler set in the shield on the fuselage spine. What you could do is go to Shane Weir's page of pics in the Gallery and pull up one of the images of his Swabian build and copy his colors. That way, you'd know there's at least one lister who couldn't give you a hard time about color choices ;-) Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:59:42 -0400 From: "Paul G." To: Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: <00de01bfe3d1$92cde3e0$73dd9bce@oemcomputer> Jack wrote: > PS I have seen this many times on the list postings, but haven't a clue - > What does "Dicta Ira" mean? Dicta Ira means build for yourself/fun and forget AMS and the stresses brought by competition and trying to impress others. Paul G. Dicta Ira Forever! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:21:24 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: <008901bfe3d4$9ad3b1c0$28371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul G. To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 11:04 PM Subject: Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions > > Jack wrote: > > > PS I have seen this many times on the list postings, but haven't a clue - > > What does "Dicta Ira" mean? > > Dicta Ira means build for yourself/fun and forget AMS and the stresses > brought by competition and trying to impress others. > > Paul G. > > Dicta Ira Forever! > Heh, nice to know I've been D.I. for many years now! However, I must say it IS a nice feeling to have knowledgeable folks examine your work and come away impressed. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:18:52 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Dicta Ira (was Re: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions) Message-ID: <200007020427.VAA16196@mail.rapidnet.net> >> Dicta Ira means build for yourself/fun and forget AMS and the stresses >> brought by competition and trying to impress others. >> >> Paul G. >> >> Dicta Ira Forever! Dicta Ira is taken from former list member Ira Campbell's signature line "Have fun" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:07:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Fokkers F.I WAS: Silverbird's Dr.I scans Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D356@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ivan adds: > Frankly, I'm a little confused now. Me too. FWIW when I next have Imrie and Bowers books at hand I'll collate their explanation with your extracts from SS and CA. Then we can all sit back and wonder what the heck ! I wish I had C&A. The photos I have of 103/17 are all from angles where the tailplane is seen too side on. I concur about the photo I have of 101/17 though. Imrie says that it was used for continuous development, and the only way we could know whether the tailplane was always straight or a later development is by seeing another photo. I love this. One extra bit of doubt with which to beat the judges. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:21:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: A question about lozenge rib tapes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D357@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jack, > BTW, BEAUTIFUL job on the Albatros! Thanks - but as I said before, the kit is a terrific aid to getting a good result. To think of all the D.V's I've built in 30 years (yikes!), none of them turned into Albatrosse as quickly and prettilly. > I was eyeballing that scheme myself > (not for the buildup but just because I love Albatri - my favorite WWI > German single seater!). It was the scheme that dragged me into making the kit (and I cheated - it was half done when we decided to start the cookup) > Just out of curiosity, is it color shifting of the > digitized scan or are the dark parts of the fuselage not > black? In the > picture, it looks like a wine purple rather than black as > called for in the kit instructions. Looks black on my monitor, and on the prints, but kind of red-ish black on my laptop. I suspect that it'll just be colour shifted a little from monitor to monitor. IRL it's scale black (real dark grey) and it's darker than I intended because the first coat of Future darkened the black to be damn near true black ! It's a really stylish finish either way. A 1/48 model would look killer too. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. 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