WWI Digest 2443 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Shuttleworth Visit by Steve Cox 2) Re: Newbie Bio by "Mike Dicianna" 3) Albatros Cook-Up : Month 2 in review by "cameron rile" 4) Re: Albatros Cook-Up : Month 2 in review by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: Albatros Cook-Up : Month 2 in review by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: A small ot indulgence, if you please by "Bill Bacon" 7) Canada Day by "Bill Bacon" 8) Scottish Independence by "Bill Bacon" 9) Re: Hello world by "Mike Dicianna" 10) Re: Canada Day by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Re: The part I hate the most... by "Jack Gartner" 12) Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions by "Jack Gartner" 13) A question about lozenge rib tapes by "Jack Gartner" 14) Re: IPMS - Dallas by Marc Flake 15) SV: Contour Gauge [?] by "Neil Crawford" 16) SV: Hello world by "Neil Crawford" 17) RE: Shuttleworth Visit by Shane Weier 18) RE: A question about lozenge rib tapes by Shane Weier 19) PC12 was ( Re: SV: Hello world ) by "cameron rile" 20) July Internet Modeler by "Bob Pearson" 21) Fokkers F.I WAS: Silverbird's Dr.I scans by Shane Weier 22) RE: July Internet Modeler by Shane Weier 23) Re: Hello world by "Mike Dicianna" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 00:30:15 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: WW1 Mail List Subject: Re: Shuttleworth Visit Message-ID: I went to Shuttleworth. Pictures of LVG and SE5A are on my website for those who asked. Most are around 50 to 60k, some of the SE5A are about 128k, forgot to compress before uploading. I took some of the Sopwith Triplane & Pup as well if anyone would like to see those. Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:32:05 -0700 From: "Mike Dicianna" To: Subject: Re: Newbie Bio Message-ID: <003701bfe2f3$c93b4be0$3e7f3ace@pavilion> Welcome from the Great Northwest of the USA. You are going to get much more than just WWI information from your association with this group. I have made friends all over the world during my sentence here.... MikeDC "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:49:00 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Albatros Cook-Up : Month 2 in review Message-ID: <477A20021CE44D115AB40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> At the halfway mark - The first three nominated Albatros Kits have come in; 1: Richard Eaton - http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/build_dv_re.html 2: Shane Weir - http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/build_dv_sw.html 3: Bob Laskodi - http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/build_dii_bl.html Only another 54 to be finished ;) Diego supplied the page with an icon and a new cartoon strip; http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/fun_cartoon_df.html Bob Pearsons profiles have been split up by Aircraft; DIII : http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/profiles_bobpearson_diii.html DV : http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/profiles_bobpearson_dv.html DVa : http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/profiles_bobpearson_dva.html CXII : http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/profiles_bobpearson_cxii.html as have Mark Millers Virtual Albatros; Mercedes : http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/profiles_markmiller_fuselage.html Fuselage : http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/profiles_markmiller.html There is also a place to have a stab at naming the pilot of the pages icon; http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/funfunfun.html Plus plenty of build articles and scans of kits on the tree. Also a big thank you to everyone who has sent something in, it has made the Cook-Up fantastic already. The depth and breadth of the content that has been coming in has already made it a spectacle for WWI modeling and aviation. The email for those wishing to send content in to the Cook-Up; OTprojects@prontomail.com So...... everyone who nominated a kit, 2 months left and counting :) The Great Albatros Model Cook-Up http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/index.html cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:24:07 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros Cook-Up : Month 2 in review Message-ID: <4a.788029f.268ea237@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/00 7:51:41 PM EST, cameron@prontomail.com writes: << The first three nominated Albatros Kits have come in; 1: Richard Eaton - http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/build_dv_re.html 2: Shane Weir - http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/build_dv_sw.html 3: Bob Laskodi - http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/build_dii_bl.html >> Mmmmmmmm.... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... (In no paticular order) Superb work, guys! TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:24:33 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros Cook-Up : Month 2 in review Message-ID: In a message dated 6/30/00 7:51:41 PM EST, cameron@prontomail.com writes: << Diego supplied the page with an icon and a new cartoon strip; http://members.xoom.com/OTprojects/fun_cartoon_df.html >> ROTFLMAO!! TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:25:23 -0500 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: A small ot indulgence, if you please Message-ID: <001f01bfe2fb$3b0f7280$4d3c32cf@tcac.net> Great news, glad all are well and she has the right bird. Cheers, Bill B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Henry To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: A small ot indulgence, if you please > Apologies in advance for the ot posting, but some of you might find this > interesting : > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cthenrys/gbh/gbhair/gbhairpic3.jpg > > It's off-topic, but it is Canadian :-). It's about a baby daughter, her > disturbed father, adn her first airplane. > > Todd Henry > (Don't know of any Australian toy aircraft, Shane) > > > --- > --- cthenrys@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:42:25 -0500 From: "Bill Bacon" To: "wwi list" Subject: Canada Day Message-ID: <002b01bfe2fd$9c7b6900$4d3c32cf@tcac.net> To all of you north of the border, Happy Canada Day and stay reasonably sober. Chers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:48:31 -0500 From: "Bill Bacon" To: "wwi list" Subject: Scottish Independence Message-ID: <003601bfe2fe$76394ae0$4d3c32cf@tcac.net> Sandy, Gtaham et al, >From across the pond I will tip a couple of single malts to all of you. The sounds of the pipes will sound through the house on this your day. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:37:18 -0700 From: "Mike Dicianna" To: Subject: Re: Hello world Message-ID: <004b01bfe305$4a22cec0$487f3ace@pavilion> As a buddy of Marten Tylstrom, you are in good company. Welcome to the group from the Great Northwest of the USA. Glad to have you aboard Neil. Seems like the past couple of newbies are a little on the PC-10 persuasion MikeDC "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Crawford" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: VB: Hello world > > > > > Hi, I just joined, so I thought I should introduce myself. My name > is Neil Crawford, I'm originally english but I've lived in Sweden > for the last 31 years (of my total of 45) so I'm more Swedish than > english. I've been modelling since I was 5, WW1 modelling since I > was about 8, I started with an Airfix Bristol Fighter and then the > classic dogfight doubles. I joined IPMS in 1972, have been a > member of IPMS-UK, IPMS-USA and probably some more, at present I > am only a member of IPMS-Sweden and the Racers and record-breaking > SIG. I have a collection of about 80 aircraft, mostly 1/72, some > 1/144 arliners, about 20 are WW1, so that is one of the reasons I > haven't been in touch previously, I just like aircraft I'm not so > religious about it , but WW1 does has a special place in my heart. > I particuarlly like SPAD's, I have built 13, so far A4,7,11,13,and > 16. I also like DeHavillands. One of my lifes ambitions is to > build the complete Revell Collectors series, I've done 5 (nearly > 6) so far. I work as a computer programmer (mainframes) at Volvo > Truck, and live in the country, quite close (by swedish standards) > to Marten Tyllstrom. Other interests are gardening,botany, > motorbikes and of course my wife. I will try and keep more to the > point in the future. Hope to hear from you all. > Best regards Neil > ps. And just to make my position clear I'm for stainless steel > wire and against acrylics! > > nb: Nieuport 28 (Revell 1/72) > nr: Aeroplane Monthly > ---------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:48:05 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Canada Day Message-ID: <6c.b86884.268eb5e5@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/00 8:48:13 PM EST, wbacon@tcac.net writes: << To all of you north of the border, Happy Canada Day and stay reasonably sober. >> Bear in mind that the UN has declared Canada "the best overall place to live on the planet," so you now have a reputation to live down. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:57:18 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <01da01bfe310$77cf00e0$4b371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 6:12 AM Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:24:30 -0400 (EDT), Jack Gartner wrote: > > > I hear you!. It took me months to finish my Siemens-Schukert for that > > reason. There are (I counted) 224 decals on this little 1/72nd scale model, > > most of them rib tapes cut to the correct width from Aeromaster 1/48th > > tapes! > > If you have an ALPS, you can make your own lozenge, and add the rib > tapes before you print the decals. Bwahahaha! :-) > > > Matt Bittner I've been offline for the past couple of days so forgive me for resurrecting what is now old news. I think folks misunderstood my lament about rib taping. It did not take me months to actually DO the taping, it took me months to work up the gumption to do it. I've never used an Americal/Gryphon product so have no idea if their 1/72nd scale tapes are good, but I CAN say that the 1/72nd Superscale/Microscale offerings are the wrong colors and way too wide. I have been unable to purchase any Aeromaster 1/7nd scale product locally - for some reason the local shops only carry 1/48th Aeromaster (probably because of the many OLD partially blind modelers around here 8->). So I've had to cut down tapes to approximately half width, an onerous task at best. Now, I know some of you are thinking, "What are you, a moron? Go ORDER the right stuff from A/G or even Aeromaster!" Well, sometimes I am, and yes I should , and someday I will. But I haven't yet, and THAT's why I complained about rib taping! :-) Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:06:35 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Pfalz DIIIa Color Scheme Questions Message-ID: <01e501bfe311$c1d871c0$4b371c18@tampabay.rr.com> All, I picked up a set of Aeromaster's Pfalz Fighter Collection Part II quite cheaply today. I've been casting around for an idea for my Tom's Modelworks DIIIa for a while and the scheme that caught my eye was 8282/17, thought to have been flown by Vzfw Jakob Pollinger of Jasta 77. The a/c is the overall silvergray forward fuselage with a blue spinner and rear fuselage/white rudder, and 5 lozenge u/l wing/stab/elevators. Large black swastikas on fuselage sides, with late war crosses on the fuselage and rudder, but Maltese crosses on upper and lower wings! If any of you "Pfalzophiles" can help me with the following questions, I'd greatly appreciate it: 1) (and most obvious) Is this color scheme accurate? 2) If so, what shade of blue is most likely? 3) If lozenge was used, any idea about rib tapes? Did Pfalz use pink/blue or lozenge strips? 4) Is the mix of cross styles on the same plane likely? I believe I have seen such cases in photos of other planes but cannot remember where. TVMIA Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:17:12 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: A question about lozenge rib tapes Message-ID: <01eb01bfe313$3f36c120$4b371c18@tampabay.rr.com> Since the rib tape issue has surfaced in the last several days, I am curious about several things: 1) Did only certain manufacturers use blue/pink while others used lozenge strips? I noted where someone indicated that Siemens-Schukert used lozenge strips, but I have a photo in which the strips on a wings upper surface appear as single tone light colored lines against the lozenge, which I assume to be part of the blue/pink scheme. 2) When lozenge strips were applied, was there a concerted effort to EXACTLY match the lozenge colors and outline of the underlying swatches? I don't understand why they'd do that when it is apparent in some photos that the aileron lozenge patterns not only don't match up with the nearest portion of wing, but the lozenge direction differs from the wings. 3) In the case of wings with reinforcing ribs that do not extend the full wing chord lying between the full wing chord ribs, did the partial chord ribs also get taped (God, I HOPE not!). 4) Were there cases of lozenge fabric being used without being reinforced by rib tapes at all? Or certain manufacturers that did that? Again, TIA! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:40:13 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS - Dallas Message-ID: <395D762D.76FE@airmail.net> Here's the list so far: Bill Bacon David Burke Marc Flake John Glasser Eric Hight John Huggins Steve Hustad (emeritus) Lance Krieg Mark Shannon Brent Theobald Ernest Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:26:48 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: SV: Contour Gauge [?] Message-ID: <200007010634.IAA29566@mb03.swip.net> Hi, I use a contour gauge on 1/72 models, it's fairly big, about 15cm (3 inches), its a bit clumsy for 1/72 , it does work, and its better than nothing ,I've never seen a smaller one, so get one anyway, you'll always find some use for it. Br. Neil ---------- > Från: Sean Bayan Schoonmaker > Till: Multiple recipients of list > Ämne: RE: Contour Gauge [?] > Datum: den 30 juni 2000 20:31 > > >Look if Smallparts (http://www.smallparts.com/) has some. If not, any > >mechanical instrument shop must carry some different sizes. Wich model scale > >are you going to use it? The smaller gauges I saw were usually fairly "big" > >sizes for a 1/72 or 1/48 models. I guess that the smallest sizes avialable > >would be useful only in 1/32 or 1/24 scale. > > Thanx for the tip; I am looking for something more 1/72 oriented. > > Schoon > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:31:06 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: SV: Hello world Message-ID: <200007010635.IAA29638@mb03.swip.net> PC-10 is OK for me, thats the green one I think, I am a little interested in the other one PC12, which is red-brown (I think, or I've mixed up), anyway does anyone have a theory about the red DH1's in the middle east, did they exist? Thanks for your welvome Mike. Br. Neil ---------- > Från: Mike Dicianna > Till: Multiple recipients of list > Ämne: Re: Hello world > Datum: den 1 juli 2000 04:43 > > As a buddy of Marten Tylstrom, you are in good company. Welcome to the > group from the Great Northwest of the USA. > > Glad to have you aboard Neil. > > Seems like the past couple of newbies are a little on the > PC-10 persuasion > > > MikeDC > "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Crawford" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 11:05 AM > Subject: VB: Hello world > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I just joined, so I thought I should introduce myself. My name > > is Neil Crawford, I'm originally english but I've lived in Sweden > > for the last 31 years (of my total of 45) so I'm more Swedish than > > english. I've been modelling since I was 5, WW1 modelling since I > > was about 8, I started with an Airfix Bristol Fighter and then the > > classic dogfight doubles. I joined IPMS in 1972, have been a > > member of IPMS-UK, IPMS-USA and probably some more, at present I > > am only a member of IPMS-Sweden and the Racers and record-breaking > > SIG. I have a collection of about 80 aircraft, mostly 1/72, some > > 1/144 arliners, about 20 are WW1, so that is one of the reasons I > > haven't been in touch previously, I just like aircraft I'm not so > > religious about it , but WW1 does has a special place in my heart. > > I particuarlly like SPAD's, I have built 13, so far A4,7,11,13,and > > 16. I also like DeHavillands. One of my lifes ambitions is to > > build the complete Revell Collectors series, I've done 5 (nearly > > 6) so far. I work as a computer programmer (mainframes) at Volvo > > Truck, and live in the country, quite close (by swedish standards) > > to Marten Tyllstrom. Other interests are gardening,botany, > > motorbikes and of course my wife. I will try and keep more to the > > point in the future. Hope to hear from you all. > > Best regards Neil > > ps. And just to make my position clear I'm for stainless steel > > wire and against acrylics! > > > > nb: Nieuport 28 (Revell 1/72) > > nr: Aeroplane Monthly > > ---------- > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:26:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Shuttleworth Visit Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D350@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Steve, > I went to Shuttleworth. Pictures of LVG and SE5A are on my > website for those who asked. Magnificent. Thank you very much - I am now entirely out of excuses. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:46:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: A question about lozenge rib tapes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D351@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jack, I'll take first swipe at this - but wish to point out that for every rule, however general, there seems to be at least enough exceptions to annoy the hell out of us all! > 1) Did only certain manufacturers use blue/pink while others > used lozenge strips? Nope. And manaufacturers didn't always use the same type of tapes on the same type of aircraft. There are Albatros D.Va with all three options for example. > I noted where someone indicated that > Siemens-Schukert used lozenge > strips, but I have a photo in which the strips on a wings > upper surface > appear as single tone light colored lines against the lozenge, which I > assume to be part of the blue/pink scheme. Correct IMHO. S-S are no different, both loz and plain tapes were used if the photo evidence is to be believed. > 2) When lozenge strips were applied, was there a concerted > effort to EXACTLY > match the lozenge colors and outline of the underlying > swatches? No, *except* with naval hex. > I don't > understand why they'd do that when it is apparent in some > photos that the > aileron lozenge patterns not only don't match up with the > nearest portion of > wing, but the lozenge direction differs from the wings. Ailerons are almost always covered lengthwise, wings can be any of three variations with chordwise most common. No possible way to line it up in that case, and no particular reason even if the wing is covered lengthwise. Incidentally, the ribs on ailerons and elevators are rarely taped. > 3) In the case of wings with reinforcing ribs that do not > extend the full > wing chord lying between the full wing chord ribs, did the > partial chord > ribs also get taped (God, I HOPE not!). You're saved. The false ribs are there to maintain the convex shape of the leading edge between the real ribs. The stitching is used to hold the fabric against the ribs in general, but in particular in those places it'd otherwise not lie aginst the ribs (concave sections at rear of top surface and underneath) So....it is unnecessary to stitch the false ribs, they usually aren't and therefore they don't get taped. Usually. Probably. (Insert favourite weasel word) However, I can't remember a photo where it IS done, so the weaselling is little needed. > > 4) Were there cases of lozenge fabric being used without > being reinforced by > rib tapes at all? Or certain manufacturers that did that? Only if they wanted to crash. The fabric *must* be stitched or when it is doped it'll pull away from the ribs as discussed above. If it gets stitched it gets taped because the needle cuts threads and locally weakens the fabric. The tape strengthens that weakened line and incidentally covers the cord to improve airflow. German quality control, even late in WW1, would still have insisted and I'd welcome anyone who could prove a case of no taping with a prize of one beer. Incidentally - there are examples where tapes are not used, but they aren't on loz (various aircraft with external bamboo or wood cap strips for example) HTH, and accepting that this is general and exceptions may (even probably may) exist... Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:13:25 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: PC12 was ( Re: SV: Hello world ) Message-ID: <4BDCADCBC1F44D115AB40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> >anyway does anyone have a theory about the red DH1's >in the middle east, did they exist? Dont know about them being PC12, but there is a picture of a 14 Sqn RFC DH1a with a Jolly Roger on it's snoz. I reckon/believe the early Martinsyde G.100's that 1 Sqn AFC received had PC12 as part of their doping. That is only my opinion though but the early G100's were a mix of CDL/PC10 and a third inbetween shade of doping, which could possibly be PC12. In early 1917 though, 1 AFC, 14 RFC, 30 RFC and X Aircraft park seemed to have standardized the Martinsydes doping to all over CDL, as the Martinsydes from about Feb 1917 onwards are all over CDL. I did some speculative profiles on the Martinsyde markings with 1 AFC. http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/afc_profiles.htm 7477 is interesting as there is a photo of it with a warm fuselage colour and a dark tail colour with a white serial. The only 1 AFC 'tinsyde I have seen a photograph of with a white serial. 7477 : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/afc_profiles_10123.htm 7472 is also pretty interesting as it was captured and flown in Turkish Markings before being recaptured back. There are a lot of 'tinsyde pics with them on their back and missing one wheel, from all the squadrons that used them in the middle east. cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 04:20:32 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: July Internet Modeler Message-ID: <200007011231.FAA01073@mail.rapidnet.net> Well the date is July 1st (unless you are in Australia). .. and that must meean that the new Internet Modeler is now posted. This month's OT material includes the Artur Phonix D.III by Michael Kendix, the Revell Ni.28 by Matt Bittner, Eddie Rickenbacker by Federico Kereki; an inbox of the Eduard Roland C.II and PE seatbelts in 1/48 and 1/72 scales. and this time Chris B-R has profiles of the Phonix D.III. ot material by list members include two articles from Richard Eaton and one from me. I had promised a look at teh Agama WW1 paints, however it will wait until next month when we will look at both them, and the Misterkit paints. enjoy. . Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com And for those who are unable to access it directly http://www.internetmodeler.com/july2000/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:41:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Fokkers F.I WAS: Silverbird's Dr.I scans Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D352@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt posts: > Since I haven't seen a message from Ivan on this, he has > posted side by > side scans of the Eduard and Roden Dr.I/F.I's: > >http://www.czechia.com/silverbird/wwi/edu7015.htm Having had a look at this (yum) and having read various comments about the differences between the Dr.I and F.I I felt inclined to post my own *opinion* I believe that both Roden and Eduard are incorrect to depict the F.1 with the same tailplane as the Dr.I Some list members have suggested that the V.4 prototype was the one with the curved tailplane, but that this was changed for the F.I and Dr.I Maybe. I think the source of this particular explanation appears to be the Squadron Signal In Action, probably renowned as the least reliable reference book on the Dr.I However, Peter Bowers in his book "Triplanes" says that the F.I aircraft (101-103/17) were V.4 with V.5 wings, and further, that 101/17 became the true Dr.I prototype when continual modification brought it to V.5 standard (The V.5 is Fokkers own designation for the Dr.I) Alex Imrie, in "The Fokker Triplane" says of 102/17 and 103/17 "On July 11 work began on two pre-production triplanes for front line evaluation, based on the modified V.4. These were Fokker F.I 102/17 (Works No 1729) and F.I 103/17 (Works No 1730); and this explains why contemporary Fokker records identify them as Fokker V.4 triplanes" So - the F.I is a modification of the V.4, which had shorter wings and no struts. The modified V.4 is photo 17 in this book. To *my* eyes the tailplane has a curved leading edge though the angle is too poor to be sure. However - F.I 102/17 is pictured in Bowers page 47, Squadron Signal page 14 and the Windsock Datafile Special page 2 in a pose which shows quite neatly the curved leading edge of the tailplane. Suggestions that this is an artifact of the camera position would be more convincing if numerous photos in these references of Dr.I aircraft didn't have tailplanes with clearly straight leading edges despite very near identical camera angles. The upshot of this, *for me* at least, is that I believe that the F.I kits require some modification to the tailplane as well as leaving off the wingtip skids to correctly portray the aircraft intended Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:43:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: July Internet Modeler Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D353@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Bob, > Well the date is July 1st (unless you are in Australia). .. > and that must > meean that the new Internet Modeler is now posted. Huh? Nope, 1st July here too. > > This month's OT material includes the Artur Phonix D.III by > Michael Kendix, > the Revell Ni.28 by Matt Bittner, Eddie Rickenbacker by > Federico Kereki; an > inbox of the Eduard Roland C.II and PE seatbelts in 1/48 and > 1/72 scales. > and this time Chris B-R has profiles of the Phonix D.III. > Cheers ! > ot material by list members include two articles from Richard > Eaton and one from me. > Boos ! Nice issue once again, but where the heck do you guys get the time to finish all that stuff? Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 05:54:35 -0700 From: "Mike Dicianna" To: Subject: Re: Hello world Message-ID: <003901bfe35b$82fb4e60$4d7f3ace@pavilion> I have heard that good ole' floquil "BOXCAR RED" is a close match for PC-12. I have a couple bottles from my Model Railroading days and it is earmarked for the Black Maria project in the Queue.... MikeDC "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > PC-10 is OK for me, thats the green one I think, I am a little interested > in the other > one PC12, which is red-brown (I think, or I've mixed up), anyway does > anyone have > a theory about the red DH1's in the middle east, did they exist? > Thanks for your welvome Mike. > Br. Neil > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2443 **********************