WWI Digest 2439 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: A-H Albatroses camo by Matthew Zivich 2) Re: The part I hate the most... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) H.D.2 review at Modeling Madness by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: The part I hate the most... by "Michael Kendix" 5) Re: The part I hate the most... by "Lance Krieg" 6) Re: The part I hate the most... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: Osprey- New WWI Book- Pioneer Aviation Series by Chris Anderson 8) Re: A-H Albatroses camo by REwing@aol.com 9) RE: Cycling crisis by Shane Weier 10) Re: Cycling crisis by "Tom Solinski" 11) Re: Roden scans by "Tom Solinski" 12) Re: Cycling crisis by Albatrosdv@aol.com 13) Re: Roden scans by Lyle Lamboley 14) RE: The part I hate the most... by Shane Weier 15) Re: The part I hate the most... by "David Calhoun" 16) Woo hoo!! by "Matthew Bittner" 17) Re: Osprey- New WWI Book- Pioneer Aviation Series by BStett3770@aol.com 18) Re: H.D.2 review at Modeling Madness by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 19) Re: The part I hate the most... by bucky@ptdprolog.net 20) Re: The part I hate the most... by "Jack Gartner" 21) Re: Rigging: To Wire or Thread? by "Jack Gartner" 22) Re: Cycling crisis by Otisgood@aol.com 23) Planet SPAD XI by "Bob Pearson" 24) Re: Cycling crisis by Albatrosdv@aol.com 25) Re: Cycling crisis by Zulis@aol.com 26) Rib Tapes, was Re: The part I hate the most... by Sean Bayan Schoonmaker 27) Re: Rib Tapes, was Re: The part I hate the most... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 28) Re: H.D.2 review at Modeling Madness by "Matthew Bittner" 29) Re: The part I hate the most... by "Matthew Bittner" 30) Fokker cowling by Dennis Ugulano 31) Re: Fokker cowling by "Bob Pearson" 32) Re: Rib Tapes, was Re: The part I hate the most... by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:52:11 -0400 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A-H Albatroses camo Message-ID: <395A2D3B.3D640C7E@svsu.edu> Thank you for showing the A-H Oeffags. Is there a chance that you might have access to top views of these aircrafts as well? Also do you have any ideas on the finish of the completely painted aircrafts: flat or gloss? Matthew Z. Lubos.Vinar@ahold.cz wrote: > Hi All > > Here is some camo for A-H Albatroses. This excelent dravings made my friend Vaso > Hochmut from Slovakia. Enjoy it. > > http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/depaul/953/kam/oef.htm > > Lubos Vinar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:01:21 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <8.6fba7b8.268b8961@aol.com> In a message dated 6/28/00 9:44:22 AM EST, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << The part I dislike the most is applying wing rib tapes, and every plane I've built needs at least some of them. Anyone else? What drives you crazy? Lance >> Sometimes all of it, depending on the model - sometimes none of it...again depending on the model. I always put off the rigging, but it's never hard when I settle down and do it. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:17:05 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: H.D.2 review at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <66.5069bbc.268b8d11@aol.com> The Eduard H.D.2 is reviewed here at Modeling Madness for those interested: http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/ww1/cleaverhd2.htm Cheers, TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:38:16 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <20000628173816.50997.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com > > >I always put off the rigging, but it's never hard when I settle down >and >do it. > Tom: Then why not get it out of the way and do the rigging first, before you assemble other parts of the model? Jig it up, and sort of slide the built up model into it. Try it and let me know how it goes. Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:49:52 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: Michael facetiously suggests: "...do the rigging first, before you assemble other parts of the model..." Seriously, I DO put the top wing on as one of the first steps, even before I've joined the fuselage halves or painted anything. And it has made everything a lot easier. For details on this process, send money... although I will be revealing this secret in an upcoming Internet Modeler article. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:52:45 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <44.4ec7af0.268b956d@aol.com> In a message dated 6/28/00 12:40:45 PM EST, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << Then why not get it out of the way and do the rigging first, before you assemble other parts of the model? Jig it up, and sort of slide the built up model into it. Try it and let me know how it goes. >> ROTFLMAO!! TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:47:20 -0400 From: Chris Anderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Osprey- New WWI Book- Pioneer Aviation Series Message-ID: Hello Folks, Anyone know anything about author Cowin; don't think I've come across his name before? Fairly wide subject, what approach does he take? By the way, concerning the cycling talk, I always alternate between Allied and the Central Powers, and between 1/72 and anything larger. Then I make sure my selection does not have the same look as the previous one, CDL/green/dark/light/etc. And then I throw in an ot project here and there! I've actually stuck to this for about 50 models so far! The perfection vrs. Dicta Ira dynamic is true. I think there is a tension between the two which needs to exist, like a tug of war it may go back and forth, and it is different for everyone, but if one 'wins', the game is over. Chris >Hi Gang > >New Osprey WW 1 book just out. > >Osprey Aviation - Aviation Pioneers Series - German & Austrian Aviation of >World War One - A Pictorial Chronicle of the Airmen & Aircraft the Forges >German Airpower - By Hugh W. Cowin - 96 pages, lots of Black & White photos >(no color plates) - nice book some of the photos we've seen before, but a >number of them I don't recognize. Nice book at a good price - visit my web >site for more info & cover scan - at New Stuff Listing - June 27.2000 > > >Keep Modeling >Barry >Rosemont Hobby >www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:25:19 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A-H Albatroses camo Message-ID: Tell your friend, Lubos, that they are great drawings. I got dibs on the checker-board!!!! AARRRRGGGGHHH!!! What am I saying?! All the color schemes are wonderful. -Rick- << Here is some camo for A-H Albatroses. This excelent dravings made my friend Vaso Hochmut from Slovakia. Enjoy it. http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/depaul/953/kam/oef.htm Lubos Vinar >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:58:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Cycling crisis Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D339@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom says: > Fact of the matter is, Otis has really put his finger dead on > the heart of the problem. He did. *If* you find it a problem. > As a friend of mine is always saying, > "remember, folks, it's *just* a hobby!!!" I even have a pin with this on it, made after I'd had one of my better efforts dropped by a contest judge. He looked devastated, my response was "Don't worry mate, it's only a hobby" However... > Which means we *should* only be building it for the > approval of one person on the planet - ourselves. This is true, but we should recognise that while we all share an interest, or perhaps a love of modelling we also all get our rewards in different ways. Some even get there enjoyment out of building for the approval of others and *enjoy* building for contests and so forth. Some want to see lots of product at less effort, others (me) prefer a real challenge and find building OoB to be almost worse than torture. > But like rats in a maze we are well > trained, and live in the opinions of others, as we are forced > to do the other > waking hours of our lives, and thus we turn fun into a hassle. I think we can *choose* to care about the opinions of others, or not. I dare say that if we didn't collectively care the gallery at Alans site would be empty. OTOH whether we choose to care more about others opinion than our own enjoyment is entirely in our own hands and *that* is where we can ruin our fun. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:58:56 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Cycling crisis Message-ID: <006401bfe14c$0e692880$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> It appears that Dicta Ira has been seriously forgotten!! Mike. when cycling or AMS sets in close your eyes, pick a kit, build it straight out of the box. Build it for you not the next contest. If you cant do that buy two snaptite kits, find two six to nine year olds, give them the kits then sit back and watch them have almost more fun than you can remember slamming them together. Then go and do my step one. been there done that TomS OKC > 1. It's German > 2. It's British > 3. It has wood grain > 4. It has over-sized wing ribs > 5. The kit decals are incorrect > 6. The decals are correct but faded > 7. Too many difficult corrections needed > 8. Too easy - not challenging enough > 9. Colour scheme is difficult > 10.Colour scheme is too mundane and boring > 11. No interior, only a pilot and a peg > 12. Photoetch interior looks too hard > 13. It's a vacuform > 14. It's a Hit Kit > 15. It's not a vacuform > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:04:02 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Roden scans Message-ID: <011b01bfe14c$c4c25f20$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> You're right Ivan only diff from the F-I to the Dr was the wing tip skids. The V 3 had the curved tail and the narrow chord wings. Wings were all finalized at one meter on the production aircraft Tom S ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan Subrt To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Roden scans > Operating from memory here (and with Squadron Dr.I. book as main source of > information) I think only the V.3 prototype had curved tailplane LE. But > I'm sure many list members will educate me on this. > > I'm posting Eduard scans tonight, but, alas, there are the same sprues for > both F.I and Dr.I kits here, too. > > Cheers! > > Ivan Subrt > http://www.czechia.com/silverbird > > "The air is our sea." Czech proverb > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:16:35 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cycling crisis Message-ID: <69.6eed30e.268bd343@aol.com> In a message dated 6/28/00 4:02:00 PM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I think we can *choose* to care about the opinions of others, or not. I dare say that if we didn't collectively care the gallery at Alans site would be empty. OTOH whether we choose to care more about others opinion than our own enjoyment is entirely in our own hands and *that* is where we can ruin our fun. >> It is of course very nice to have people who know what they are looking at and know what went into creating it say "nice work, man." Beats the daylights out of somebody who doesn't know as far as compliments go. The guys I feel sorry for are the ones who try to figure out what "la mode" is this year among judges, and who then build something they might not otherwise, so they can impress the judges and add another cheap plastic pot to the shelf. That kind of modeler really does exist. TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:09:34 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden scans Message-ID: <20000628.190936.-126393.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Tom Solinski writes: > You're right Ivan only diff from the F-I to the Dr was the wing tip > skids. > The V 3 had the curved tail and the narrow chord wings. Wings were > all > finalized at one meter on the production aircraft The curved tail concept was used on FI 102 and 103/17 as well, but FI 101 inherited the same tailplane from the V3, I believe. That one picture from the 3/4 left rear of FI 102 shows the curve well, but is about the only one that is clear. The V3 didn't look to be the most structurally sound plane that Fokker built. On the other hand, the V5 quintuplane was really soundly built! And did it fly? It looked like it was designed by some hillbilly in a barn. I half expect to see a chicken sticking its head out of the cockpit. Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:53:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D33C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael says: > Then why not get it out of the way and do the rigging first, > before you > assemble other parts of the model? Jig it up, and sort of > slide the built > up model into it. Try it and let me know how it goes. simcg Who said Spurs fans don't have a sense of humour. They have to ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:15:27 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <007601bfe182$8a7cdc60$b2f13ccc@oemcomputer> Rib tapes are simple! I usually decal the wings first. Then I can do 4 or 5 rib tapes at a sitting and finish up in a week or 2. In the meantime I can concentrate on doing the engine & interior. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... >Oh yes! I have a Pfalz DXII that is sitting in the box 70% completed, but >until I can stand those rib tapes, it won't get done, rigging is usually a >challenge, rib tapes are tedious. >Merrill > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:27:31 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Woo hoo!! Message-ID: <200006290127.SAA01318@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> Finally! Attached the upper wing to the Tom-M Fokker D.VI I've been working on for too long. Hopefully tomorrow morning I'll start adding the center struts... Man, this scheme is *AWESOME*!! ;-) Nope, sorry, ya'all will have to wait for it... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:33:07 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Osprey- New WWI Book- Pioneer Aviation Series Message-ID: <90.65d4a0e.268c0153@aol.com> In a message dated 06/28/2000 3:54:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, canderson@pop.gtrad.com writes: << Anyone know anything about author Cowin; >> He's new at Osprey -did the 1st two books in the Aviation Pioneers series X-Planes - Research Aircraft 1891-1970 The Risk Takers - Racing & Record Setting Aircraft 1908-1968 His bio states : 12 years RAF - 1951-1963, Aerospace industry - Lucas Aerospace, Founder Flight International Systems & Aviation photo collector Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:08:51 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: H.D.2 review at Modeling Madness Message-ID: Hi Tom, I checked out your reviews on the H.D.2 and the SPAD A.2 and both are great, I only hope I can do my kits of these aircraft the justice they deserve. So here's one big Attaboy, nice job. For Matt, I just received my July copy of The Squadron from S.S. and they have a SPAD XI from Planet Models in 1/72, have you seen this kit, is it a good one? I have never seen any Planet kits in the hobby stores so I don't know anything about them. They also have a nice Nieuport 28 from Blue Max that I will just have to order, alas it is in the larger scale. Best regards, Jon Semper Fi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:10:26 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <395AB012.AE9B178D@ptdprolog.net> Allan Wright wrote: > > Anyone else? What drives you crazy? > > Landing gear assemblies and their tenacious ability to go out of square. > My vote goes with Allan. In fact, last week I was thinking about starting thids same thread just to piss and moan and landing gear problems. Let me add that sanding and filling is a close second. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:20:19 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <006801bfe178$f63421c0$49371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 12:56 PM Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... > Oh yes! I have a Pfalz DXII that is sitting in the box 70% completed, but > until I can stand those rib tapes, it won't get done, rigging is usually a > challenge, rib tapes are tedious. > Merrill I hear you!. It took me months to finish my Siemens-Schukert for that reason. There are (I counted) 224 decals on this little 1/72nd scale model, most of them rib tapes cut to the correct width from Aeromaster 1/48th tapes! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:24:57 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Rigging: To Wire or Thread? Message-ID: <00bc01bfe179$9cb58f20$49371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Rigging: To Wire or Thread? > Jack opines: > > "Hmm, I use thread and have never had a real problem with the horns." > > I'm refering to the type of horn where the control wire emerges from a wing surface, travels over the horn, and re-enters, as is common on Sopwith products. > > Sort of: > > /|\ > / | \ > / | \ That's what I did with my 1 1/2 Strutter using thread and it seems fine. Of course, a nice touch in 1/48th scale is that the aileron horns had holes through which the thread could pass. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:33:25 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cycling crisis Message-ID: <64.4229bea.268c1d85@aol.com> In a message dated 6/27/00 11:13:32 PM Central Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > Man...out of the mouths of *lawyers*....*southern* lawyers at that.... :-) > Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while (another "southern" saying). OG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:38:35 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Planet SPAD XI Message-ID: <200006290354.UAA15099@mail.rapidnet.net> The Planet SPAD XI was reviewed at Internet Modeler in the January 2000 issue IIRC. It is a nice looking kit, no real interior, great decals. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ---------- >From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: H.D.2 review at Modeling Madness >Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000, 7:13 pm > > Hi Tom, I checked out your reviews on the H.D.2 and the SPAD A.2 and both are > great, I only hope I can do my kits of these aircraft the justice they > deserve. So here's one big Attaboy, nice job. > > For Matt, I just received my July copy of The Squadron from S.S. and > they have a SPAD XI from Planet Models in 1/72, have you seen this kit, is it > a good one? I have never seen any Planet kits in the hobby stores so I don't > know anything about them. They also have a nice Nieuport 28 from Blue Max > that I will just have to order, alas it is in the larger scale. > Best regards, > Jon > Semper Fi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:59:48 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cycling crisis Message-ID: In a message dated 6/28/00 10:35:27 PM EST, Otisgood@aol.com writes: << > Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while (another "southern" saying). >> Does he do this while he's busy driving a swarm of bees through a blizzard with a switch?? :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:14:21 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cycling crisis Message-ID: Otis wrote: << Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while (another "southern" saying). >> "Even a blind chicken pecks a seed now and then" (a latvian saying) DZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:28:20 -0700 From: Sean Bayan Schoonmaker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Rib Tapes, was Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: >Rib tapes are simple! I usually decal the wings first. Then I can do 4 or >5 rib tapes at a sitting and finish up in a week or 2. In the meantime I >can concentrate on doing the engine & interior. Maybe I'm missing something here. How exactly does one do rib tapes. I would think that they're either painted or decaled. An I missing something obvious? Schoon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:03:59 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rib Tapes, was Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <8e.7147ab0.268c40cf@aol.com> In a message dated 6/28/00 11:29:45 PM EST, s_schoon@pacbell.net writes: << >Rib tapes are simple! I usually decal the wings first. Then I can do 4 or >5 rib tapes at a sitting and finish up in a week or 2. In the meantime I >can concentrate on doing the engine & interior. Maybe I'm missing something here. How exactly does one do rib tapes. I would think that they're either painted or decaled. An I missing something obvious? >> I want an answer to this question also. I just finished Udet's D.VII, which involved decaling (separately) uppper lozenger/lower lozenge, upper rib tapes.lower rib tapes, and the whole thing, (including decal solvent drying time) took under 4 hours (lower wing only). And when I did the all-lozenge D.VII you can see at my page at the WW1 site, the entire process took under 9 hours. And I just finished doing rib tapes (albeit using Eduard Express Masks cut right) to do the horizontal stab and elevators of a Sea Camel in about 20 minutes. *Where* is the problem??????? Am I missing something????????????? Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:04:39 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: H.D.2 review at Modeling Madness Message-ID: <200006291004.DAA00056@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:13:31 -0400 (EDT), VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com wrote: > For Matt, I just received my July copy of The Squadron from S.S. and > they have a SPAD XI from Planet Models in 1/72, have you seen this kit, is it > a good one? I have never seen any Planet kits in the hobby stores so I don't > know anything about them. They also have a nice Nieuport 28 from Blue Max > that I will just have to order, alas it is in the larger scale. I did a "First Looks" on one in an "issue" of last year's IM. Basically they have the shape correct, but there are problems: the turtledeck sweeps "down" from the observer's position to the tail - Planet did *not* mold this; they left off the "riblets" on the wings; the interior is completely bogus. Other than that, it's a nice kit. ;-) Be aware that Roseplane's does a vac SPAD 11. However, it too has a few faults: wings are a tad undersize, and the nose is a little short from the pilot's cockpit forward. Other than those it's a great kit. Plus the flying surfaces are to scale - the Planet I think is a bit thick. Hmmm...maybe if I mate the nose of the Planet with a Rosemont rear fuselage...hmmm...now what to do about those wings... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:05:49 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <200006291005.DAA00779@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:24:30 -0400 (EDT), Jack Gartner wrote: > I hear you!. It took me months to finish my Siemens-Schukert for that > reason. There are (I counted) 224 decals on this little 1/72nd scale model, > most of them rib tapes cut to the correct width from Aeromaster 1/48th > tapes! If you have an ALPS, you can make your own lozenge, and add the rib tapes before you print the decals. Bwahahaha! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:31:46 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Fokker cowling Message-ID: <200006290832_MC2-AA85-4A3E@compuserve.com> Everyone, As # 100 sits waiting for the computer to return to life, I have been working on the ICM Fokker E.IV. I have a question. I think I saw it here a long time ago but I have forgotten the answer. What method do you use to make the sworl design in the metal parts of the Eindekker? I tried a couple of ways but failed miserably. Any help would be greatly appreciated. And no, I will not tell you about # 100 for the answer. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM nb: ICM Fokker E.IV nu: Planet SPAD XI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:57:57 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker cowling Message-ID: <200006291306.GAA26422@mail.rapidnet.net> IIRC there is an article on painting turned cowls in the november 1998 Internet Modeler by the currently unsubscribed EtH. Bob ---------- >From: Dennis Ugulano >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Fokker cowling >Date: Thu, Jun 29, 2000, 5:36 am > > Everyone, > > As # 100 sits waiting for the computer to return to life, I have > been working on the ICM Fokker E.IV. > > I have a question. I think I saw it here a long time ago but I > have forgotten the answer. What method do you use to make the sworl design > in the metal parts of the Eindekker? I tried a couple of ways but failed > miserably. Any help would be greatly appreciated. And no, I will not tell > you about # 100 for the answer. :-) > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM > > > nb: ICM Fokker E.IV > nu: Planet SPAD XI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:07:58 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rib Tapes, was Re: The part I hate the most... Message-ID: <20000629130759.79528.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Sean Bayan Schoonmaker > >Maybe I'm missing something here. How exactly does one do rib tapes. I >would think that they're either painted or decaled. An I missing something >obvious? > Sean: There are a number of options. 1. ALPS printers allow you to print decals with rib tapes already on them (see Matt Bittner's response). 2. You can buy rib tape decals; sometimes they come with the lozenge decals e.g Aeromaster, sometimes you have to buy a seperate sheet e.g. Americal/Gryphon. I don't recommend Aeromaster's lozenge BTW. I do recommend A/G's lozenge though I never bought their rib tape sheet. Good comments have been made about Copper State Models' and Rosemont's lozenge too. 3. Spray some decal paper with the rib tape colour of your choice and use an X-acto knife to cut your own. Use the whole flat edge of the blade, not the point, else the strip you cut will curl. This is a much slower method but you get to choose your own colour and any touch-ups and leading/trailing edges can be done with the same colour paint. 4. Also, sometimes the rib tapes were the lozenge material itself, so you can use that too in some cases e.g Pflaz D.XII 2690/18. Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2439 **********************