WWI Digest 2431 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Albatros Cook Up Project Progress by smperry@mindspring.com 2) Re: Must have been kicked off?? by Mark Miller 3) Attn Larry Neal by "Bob Pearson" 4) Re: Two Seater Aces part 2 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: Albatros Cook Up Project Progress by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) RE8 by "Alberto Casirati" 7) Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze by "Sandy Adam" 8) Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Dumb Albatros Question by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Re: unsubbed? by Allan Wright 11) Re: Dumb Albatros Question by "Lance Krieg" 12) Re: Dumb Albatros Question by "DAVID BURKE" 13) Re: Dumb Albatros Question by MAnde72343@aol.com 14) Re: Dumb Albatros Question by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: Dumb Albatros Question by "Lance Krieg" 16) To Du or Nicht To Du? by skarver@banet.net 17) Nats contact by "Matt Bittner" 18) Re: 101.37 by Witold Kozakiewicz 19) Re: Dumb Albatros Question by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 20) Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? by "Bob Pearson" 21) Re: RE8 by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Albatros prop by Witold Kozakiewicz 23) Copper State Gotha by Albatrosdv@aol.com 24) Re: Albatros prop by "Lance Krieg" 25) Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? by skarver@banet.net 26) Handsome Hansa, was, Re: HB D.I... by skarver@banet.net 27) US OT history articles by "Tom Solinski" 28) Re: Albatros prop by "DAVID BURKE" 29) Re: Dumb Albatros Question by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Re: Albatros prop by Witold Kozakiewicz 31) Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? by "Bob Pearson" 32) I Dare Ya! by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 33) Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? by skarver@banet.net 34) Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? by "Bob Pearson" 35) Re: I Dare Ya! by skarver@banet.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:54:45 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Albatros Cook Up Project Progress Message-ID: <003201bfdcc6$c5a937e0$880956d1@default> > Hey Steve, > > Yum. Sound great so far. I like it when you share the little > observations on detail. I bet that one is going to turn out nicely! > > Regards, > > Richard Thanks Richard. This one has a lot of potential. Only one untried technique to master. I need to make a riffled metal finish.. Clear doped linen, varnished wood, riffled sheet metal and spoked wheels. Just love that look. sp ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 2000 21:09:06 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Must have been kicked off?? Message-ID: <20000623040906.14537.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Thu, 22 June 2000, "Mike Dicianna" wrote: > > Either tonight is really quiet or I have been unsubbed again... > > I'll check and see if there is life on the list later.... > > MikeDC > "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" Hi all I don't know if it's just a coincidence but I was unsubbed sometime in the afternoon. I've been working on the tail assembly for my "virtual" Albatros. The way the fuse stab, rudder and tail skid all fair together is extremly difficult to define. I've been banging away at it for 3 hrs now and still don't have a clear solution - frustrating It's amazing that they got plywood to bend like that Mark Miller _______________________________________________________________________ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:14:17 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Attn Larry Neal Message-ID: <200006230422.VAA02350@mail.rapidnet.net> Messages to his account come back as refused, so I'll try it through the list. Larry, I mailed your AM CD via airmail today. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:49:36 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Two Seater Aces part 2 Message-ID: I just wanted to say that I think it was my comment about how many 2-seater aces there were that set this off, and I appreciate the work you guys have put forward to get the info. Puts a whole different look on the 2-seaters. Thanks! TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:56:08 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros Cook Up Project Progress Message-ID: Well, the D.III (OAW) Jasta 28 bird I decided on has "fallen together" in classic Eduard fashion. I used the white metal Mercedes engine from Tom's Modelworks (which may be Aeroclub), as well as his white metal Spandaus. National markings from the kit decals. Did the one from Pearson's profiles with the blue fuselage and white stripe around the middle. Looks very good with the yellow tail w/black stripes, and the 3-tone wing. Bob wasn't sure what the order of colors were, or whether they were green/mauve or 2-green/brown, but since I only had the D.II done in the 3-color wings, and all the other Albatri are mauve/green I went with the difference. Besides, as the note says on the profile, "colors are highly speculative." Now there's a comment that OAW birds were mostly/all green/mauve, to which I say - DICTA IRA!! :-) I'll rig it over the weekend and shoot it next week. Now I gotta consider what to do with that package from Japan with the review kit of the Original Lawn Dart...... gonna surprise a lot of people to discover I like that particular old lawn dart. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:37:07 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: RE8 Message-ID: <001001bfdce5$d6278940$320106c0@acasirat> Dear Sandy, thanks for your reply and for reporting JM Bruce's statements about the RE8 flying qualities. As I take advantage of my PC at the office for e-mails, I cannot base my replies on careful examination of references; my memory is the only file available and this seems not to be a good thing sometimes! Anyway, I hope not to be wrong in remembering that Maj. Chamier wrote some notes about safe RE8 flying, notes which were to be made available to all RE8 units. I do not know whether the notes actually knew such a wide distribution, but, judging from what JM Bruce wrote, it seems they did not reach many RE8 pilots. Pity, as that could have made life easier. Another point: although the RE8 was certainly not the ideal machine for a novice, I believe it was not as difficult and uncomfortable to fly as the Camel, which was really feared by novices and which was really dangerous for its pilot. Some experienced pilots met their death in Camels because of its peculiar flying qualities, while I cannot remember of one single experienced crew to fell victim of the RE8 flying qualities. It still seems to me that not many aviation writers, including Harry Woodman, can think of the RE8 in a correct way. Thanks for the interesting correspondence on an interesting aeroplane. Ciao ! Alberto. P.S.: I am leaving for holidays. Will be back on July 11th. Have a good time ! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:14:05 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze Message-ID: <000701bfdceb$13bde2e0$1ee8b094@sandyada> > I know some listees denigrate SAvMI (Scale Aviation Modeller International). > If they miss this issue it will be their loss - if I were you I'd grab one. Since it shows up on the stands months after it's actually out around here, what is the issue number, please? TIA! It's 6/6 - June 2000, green cover with Bre14B2, Blenheim and Hurricane. Woodman article includes reprints of good Bre14 plans from 1918 german magazine Der Moterwagen as well as several interior shots. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:40:36 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze Message-ID: <001401bfdd21$9a0a78a0$6c84aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Thanks for the info. I'll track a copy down ASAP. I want to see what I can do with this Hi-Tech kit. DB -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, June 23, 2000 3:16 AM Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze >> I know some listees denigrate SAvMI (Scale Aviation Modeller >International). >> If they miss this issue it will be their loss - if I were you I'd grab >one. >Since it shows up on the stands months after it's actually out around >here, what is the issue number, please? TIA! > >It's 6/6 - June 2000, green cover with Bre14B2, Blenheim and Hurricane. >Woodman article includes reprints of good Bre14 plans from 1918 german >magazine Der Moterwagen as well as several interior shots. >Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:44:54 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Dumb Albatros Question Message-ID: <001501bfdd21$9af574e0$6c84aec7@dora9sprynet.com> How does the lozenge run on the Albatros' wings? Is it like the Fokker D.VII where it's chordwise on the upper wing and spanwise on the lower, or what? FYI, I have accidentally chucked together an Albatros D.V and am going to use wood grain decal for the first time. Otis' bird gave me the inspiration: he got that decal to lay down just beautifully! Too many models, so little time... DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:06:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: albatros1212@altavista.com (Mark Miller) Cc: wwi Subject: Re: unsubbed? Message-ID: <200006231506.LAA27525@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I got unsubscibed yesterday afternoon, re-subscribed early evening - then posted a message that never showed up. Whats up? 1) Users get unsubbed whenever the server gets mail bounced back to it from a user. The server does this as a self defense mechanism. If it did not my systems disks would quickly fill up with thousands of bounced e-mails. This can happen because of full mailboxes, ISP troubles, internet glitches, and acts of God. 2) I saw your mail. Make sure you issue the following command to receive an acknowlegement copy of your messages to the list. By default the list software assumes you DO NOT want a copy of your own mails: Send mail to wwi-request with the following in the body of your message: set wwi mail ack end Thanks, Allan P.S. CCed the list since I haven't posted this info in a while =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:43:28 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Dumb Albatros Question Message-ID: DB asks: "How does the lozenge run on the Albatros' wings?" Which is, IIRC, a complicated question. Many were certainly applied chord-wise, ala the Fokker D.VII. But at least some were applied span-wise, like the Canberra example. YMMV Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:31:15 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Dumb Albatros Question Message-ID: <001301bfdd30$86f90a60$6986aec7@dora9sprynet.com> My main question is that since it was a sesqui-plane (small lower wing and big upper wing), would the loz application differ between the wings like a Fokker D.VII? On it, the loz runs spanwise on the lower wing and chordwise on the upper. And which plane was it that it ran at an angle to the chord? Jeez, now I'm getting a migrane! I think that this D.V will turn out O.K. I hope. DB -----Original Message----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, June 23, 2000 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Dumb Albatros Question >DB asks: > >"How does the lozenge run on the Albatros' wings?" > >Which is, IIRC, a complicated question. Many were certainly applied chord-wise, ala the Fokker D.VII. But at least some were applied span-wise, like the Canberra example. > >YMMV > >Lance > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:52:39 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dumb Albatros Question Message-ID: Yes, chordwise for upper, spanwise for lower. most DVII's, however, had it laid on at a 45 degree angle, as did most 1918 birds. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:59:16 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dumb Albatros Question Message-ID: No matter what you do, there is a photo out there to support it, on the NASM bird, one side of the upper wings was spanwise and the other chordwise! (though that was probably due to mismatched parts). With several locations manufacturing the planes, and different stresses on the situation at different times, anything was possible. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:32:01 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Dumb Albatros Question Message-ID: Man, you guys are confusing me.... I have NEVER seen a picture of a Fokker D.VII with anything but chordwise lozenge, on BOTH wings. No spanwise. No 45 degree. As far as I can recall, the NASM Albatros is also chordwise on both wings, a recollection I can check tonight with the Mikesh book. The spanwise application, where a single bolt-width would NOT cover the whole upper-wing surface, resulted in a seam near the trailing edge. The ailerons were covered separately. I have heard that there are several pictorial examples of this spanwise application, but as I have never built a lozenged Albatros I haven't looked at the pictures with this in mind. Or am I losing my memory along with my mind? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:26:31 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: To Du or Nicht To Du? Message-ID: <39539DC7.8F862875@banet.net> So, given the smoldering controversy about whether Ernie's candy-stripper did or did not have the white stripes running down the length of the turtledeck, I have posted two pre-Windsock renderings that don't have them at http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=930703&a=6893609 Conspiratorially, So who added them, and when? Are there modeling fashions as well as fashion models? Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:03:30 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Nats contact Message-ID: <200006231803.LAA23090@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> A couple of days ago I posted new images by Bill Powers. Well, he's heading to the Nats and wants to get in contact with any of our contingent going. Contact him at: Jwp968@aol.com. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:14:03 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 101.37 Message-ID: <3953A8EB.106258DC@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Chris Anderson napisał(a): > What color system do the RAL numbers refer to? > Chris, AFAIK RAL is German color reference system. In my Humbrol color catalog RAL 7012 is equal Hu79. Nothing about 7036 and 1015 HTH -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:22:50 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dumb Albatros Question Message-ID: Below my feet (at an angle) is Stropp. Chordwise fabric is on the wings. Doesn't one of the Datafiles from Windsock show an Albatros with the upper wing fabric with half spanwise and the other half chordwise? I have been reading too many WWI books lately to pin it down. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:26:53 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? Message-ID: <200006231957.MAA26998@mail.rapidnet.net> Possibly Dan-San Abbott is responsible for the stripes. It was his drawing I copied for my profile. Bob ---------- >From: skarver@banet.net >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: To Du or Nicht To Du? >Date: Fri, Jun 23, 2000, 10:42 am > > So, given the smoldering controversy about whether Ernie's > candy-stripper did or did not have the white stripes running down the > length of the turtledeck, I have posted two pre-Windsock renderings > that don't have them at > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=930703&a=6893609 > > Conspiratorially, So who added them, and when? > Are there modeling fashions as well as fashion models? > Regards, > Stef ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:54:50 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE8 Message-ID: <42.73bd412.26851a8a@aol.com> In a message dated 6/23/00 12:35:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ammi-alme@unicalce.it writes: << It still seems to me that not many aviation writers, including Harry Woodman, can think of the RE8 in a correct way. Thanks for the interesting correspondence on an interesting aeroplane. Ciao ! Alberto. >> In fact, night before last, I just reread your rebuttal to Harry Woodman's RE8 writings that appeared in WW I Aero a few years ago! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:34:54 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: WWI Subject: Albatros prop Message-ID: <3953BBDE.D3B63871@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Hi, In Eduard D.V/Va set there are three different propellers. I'm not sure which one should I use on Nather's D.Va #2343(?). I'm sure that there was two different prop producers - there are different markings on it. Markings on mine are the same as for Stropp's and differs from that in Eduard Mailed Gauntlet set - small black cross on white circle with balck outline in Nather's decal set and A-mark in MG set TIA -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:27:32 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Copper State Gotha Message-ID: <7c.738b35f.26852234@aol.com> Hi, all: A friend of mine was in Phoenix earlier this week and stopped by to visit with Eric Hight, and Eric sent back with my friend two test shots of Gotha wings - a lower one complete, and half of the upper. Just thought you would like to know they have excellent surface detail, are properly thin, and if you do it right they look like you won't have a sag problem (you will likely want to make the rigging structural). Based on what I see here, the kit looks like it will deliver quality for the money, though it will be at a price where there won't be one in my collection until Samuel L. Jackson agrees to star in "Trinity" (dream on!). Thought you'd like to know. TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:02:21 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Albatros prop Message-ID: Witold - I'm not sure I understood the question, or if this helps: The Stropp propeller, with the small iron cross, is a Garuda. The one with the "A" is an Axial. These are two of many different propeller manufacturers who made products to be fitted to particular engines, in this case the 160-180 HP Mercedes. A real propeller expert would be able to spot which manufacturer made which propeller with a glance, but I sure can't. The Axials are quite angular and symmetrical, and the Garudas have a more rounded tip and a more pronounced leading edge, IIRC. Did that help? I have considerably more information available at home, as WWI Aero has published propeller logos/profiles. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:03:59 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? Message-ID: <3953D0BF.1A02FB12@banet.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > Possibly Dan-San Abbott is responsible for the stripes. It was his drawing > I copied for my profile. > ---------- Certainly is possible. His imprimatur would ceertainly be persuasive, and this marking was publiished in a Windsock article on EU's D.VIIIs, weren't they? I am sure that yours were not the only subsequent drawings to follow this example. For instance, didn't a Pegasus/Blue Rider decal sheet provide for the fuselage striping? Are DSA'a drawings otherwise dated? --Stef ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:18:16 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Handsome Hansa, was, Re: HB D.I... Message-ID: <3953D417.9D33257F@banet.net> Jack Gartner wrote: > Inside my Eduard DI kit, I tucked away a review of the kit by Harry Woodman. > FWIW, here are his comments about the ply fuselage: "If the model chooses to > use this item [he is referring to the wood decal sheet Eduard included in > the kit] then it should not be applied like wallpaer, all in one piece. Cut > it up into panels to resemble the original..." > > Elsewhere he says, " Small dots applied with a sharp pencil (about HB) can > represent tacke heads if desired. > > Two side view diagrams I have of the D.I show about 12 fuselage panels. > They meet the turtledeck at about the level of the cockpit lower egde, but > are continued as SEPARATE PANELS. I'm sure someone somewhere has the scoop on HB paneling. Clearly therre weren't 6-meter-long sheets available to be tacked up on the formers. Conversely, from the meagre photos and plans I have, I don't think that 12 separate panels were required to make up the slab sides. I will scan a few things and post at photopoint later this evening. (For one reason or other, though, the panel joints on these aircraft seem to have been much tighter than those on the Albatros and are much less visible, which accounts for their being rendered much less regularly than those of the German machines.) Stef > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:25:10 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: US OT history articles Message-ID: <00eb01bfdd59$83185120$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01BFDD2F.9A20B760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi list! I posted this a week ago but I'm not sure it got out. There are some great items to read at the site below: The USAF Museum web page has been doing WW-I history as the page of the = day for the last week. Some nice rare pictures and information about = the US in the great conflict. visit them at=20 :http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/ and click on the new page of the day logo or go to the WW-1 history = archives. Safe weekend all=20 Tom S ------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01BFDD2F.9A20B760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01BFDD2F.9A20B760-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:36:09 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Albatros prop Message-ID: <004701bfdd5b$9bd5b660$4d88aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, June 23, 2000 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Albatros prop >Witold - > >I'm not sure I understood the question, or if this helps: > >The Stropp propeller, with the small iron cross, is a Garuda. > Aha. Well, to add some mess, the Germania prop that I photographed also has an iron cross on it. I'll scan the pics and post them later, unless you contact me off-list and I'll send them out this weekend. Also, I took a close-up of the Germania logo too, so that might be of interest to some. DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:37:00 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Dumb Albatros Question Message-ID: <004801bfdd5b$9cc853c0$4d88aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Dumb Albatros Question >No matter what you do, there is a photo out there to support it, on the NASM >bird, one side of the upper wings was spanwise and the other chordwise! >(though that was probably due to mismatched parts). With several locations >manufacturing the planes, and different stresses on the situation at >different times, anything was possible. >Merrill I like that answer best! DB > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:51:08 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros prop Message-ID: <3953DBCC.D02E2268@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Lance Krieg napisał(a): > > Witold - > > I'm not sure I understood the question, or if this helps: > > The Stropp propeller, with the small iron cross, is a Garuda. > > The one with the "A" is an Axial. ... Lance, Maybe my ask wasn't quite clear, but you understood it very good, and your answer is very helpful. I know which one in Eduard set is Garuda I should use. Thanks. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:02:56 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? Message-ID: <200006232211.PAA32646@mail.rapidnet.net> Stef sez . . > Certainly is possible. His imprimatur would ceertainly be persuasive, and this > marking was publiished in a Windsock article on EU's D.VIIIs, weren't they? I > am sure that yours were not the only subsequent drawings to follow this > example. For instance, didn't a Pegasus/Blue Rider decal sheet provide for > the fuselage striping? Are DSA'a drawings otherwise dated? > --Stef > yup. . the Du Doch Nicht drawing is dated 10/84 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:10:44 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: I Dare Ya! Message-ID: <000701bfdd5f$e1718c90$d438183f@cyrixp166> http://www.hlj.com/cgi-local/hljpage.cgi?AEBA001 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:31:01 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? Message-ID: <3953E525.80D0B228@banet.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > Stef sez . . > > > Certainly is possible. His imprimatur would ceertainly be persuasive, and > this > > marking was publiished in a Windsock article on EU's D.VIIIs, weren't they? I > > am sure that yours were not the only subsequent drawings to follow this > > example. For instance, didn't a Pegasus/Blue Rider decal sheet provide for > > the fuselage striping? Are DSA'a drawings otherwise dated? > > --Stef > > > > yup. . the Du Doch Nicht drawing is dated 10/84 So if all renderings with the fuselage slashes are after '84, we can blame DSA. If anything shows up from before then, we will have to find another culprit! Stef (FWIW, in the absence of hard evidence for, I'm against.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:41:04 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: To Du or Nicht To Du? Message-ID: <200006232249.PAA01214@mail.rapidnet.net> I'm going to redo mine sans the stripes Bob ---------- >From: skarver@banet.net > So if all renderings with the fuselage slashes are after '84, we can blame > DSA. If > anything shows up from before then, we will have to find another culprit! > Stef > > (FWIW, in the absence of hard evidence for, I'm against.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:48:41 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I Dare Ya! Message-ID: <3953E948.48F9400E@banet.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > http://www.hlj.com/cgi-local/hljpage.cgi?AEBA001 OK. Double-dare. http://www.nnc.or.jp/~aerobase/catalog.img/a003.jpg And quadruple! http://www.hlj.com/cgi-local/hljpage.cgi?AEBC001 Wow! Stef ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2431 **********************