WWI Digest 2429 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Bray-gay Kay-torze by "DAVID BURKE" 2) Re: Guillow's Pfalz D.III by DavidL1217@aol.com 3) Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze by "Bob Pearson" 4) Re: RE 8s by "cameron rile" 5) RE: Another one bites the dust by Shane Weier 6) Ace two seater crews by MAnde72343@aol.com 7) Re: RE 8s by "Bob Pearson" 8) Two Seater Aces part 2 by MAnde72343@aol.com 9) Fokker question by "Matthew Bittner" 10) Re: Fokker question by Zulis@aol.com 11) Re: Fokker question by MAnde72343@aol.com 12) Re: Fokker question by Lyle Lamboley 13) Die Stuffen Albatrossen by skarver@banet.net 14) Re: Fokker question by Otisgood@aol.com 15) Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze by "David Calhoun" 16) Re: RE 8s by "cameron rile" 17) Re: Rodney Gerrard by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: Fokker question by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze by "DAVID BURKE" 21) Re: Fokker question by "DAVID BURKE" 22) Re: Fokker question by "DAVID BURKE" 23) Re: Fokker question by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: Fokker question by MAnde72343@aol.com 25) RE: Die Stuffen Albatrossen by Shane Weier 26) Re: Fokker question by Lee Mensinger 27) Re: Fokker question by "DAVID BURKE" 28) Re: RE8 by "Alberto Casirati" 29) Re: Fokker question by smperry@mindspring.com 30) Re: 101.37 by Witold Kozakiewicz 31) Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze by "Matthew Bittner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:54:24 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Bray-gay Kay-torze Message-ID: <000401bfdbd3$acd0a300$0884aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Guys, Anybody know of a good info on the Breguet 14? Can't find a DF for it... DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:08:06 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guillow's Pfalz D.III Message-ID: <5f.6dd249f.2682a4d6@aol.com> I found and bought one for $20 in 1992! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:11:46 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze Message-ID: <200006212319.QAA17348@mail.rapidnet.net> An issue of C&C(INT) was devoted to it Bob ---------- >From: "DAVID BURKE" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Bray-gay Kay-torze >Date: Wed, Jun 21, 2000, 4:07 pm > > Hey Guys, > > Anybody know of a good info on the Breguet 14? Can't find a DF for > it... > > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:51:31 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE 8s Message-ID: <093C7598BC744D115AB40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> >There were at least three ace crews, >all in the AFC if I remember well. I dont know of any 3AFC aces. A few of them like Grigson and Mart scored three (DES/CAPT). There may have been ace crews though. IIRC the squadron claimed about 50 aircraft downed. I havent Wrigleys published book of the Records and Statistics or the Records and Statistic from the AWM. Wrigleys book is currently being asked for at 500AUD (Ouch). Sandy and Hughes shot down the Albatros which is in the Australian War Memorial today (and the DVa I am doing for the cook-up). They are also the "Ghost RE8" crew from the same engagement. Armstrong and Mart forced a Halberstadt to land at 3 AFC's aerodrome intact. Grigson and Jones shot down an Albatros for having the impudence to flame a balloon near them. Grigson was pretty aggressive though. On the day MvR died him and Weiss attacked two 3 AFC RE8's before MvR broke away and Weiss flew home with his rudder controls shot out. Nothing was thought of it until 3AFC heard about MvR dead in his plane. Major Blake wrote decisive on that combat report quicksmart lol. 3 AFC gets about 10 mentions in the Communiques for 1918, not bad for an Army/Corps squadron. they were also getting Brisfits in September 1918. Would have been interesting to see if 1 AFC had of come to the Western Front in December of 1918. Would there have been an AFC Combat Wing? :) 3 AFC also produced the RE8 A4397 "Sylvia", apparently she set a record for Australian and British Forces on the Western Front with 440 hours of service, including 147 flights across German Lines. There doesnt seem to be many pics of 3AFC RE8's while they had the white circle. There is one of A3662 with the flight marking J and the faded B4 on the top wing. That is an Airfix 1/72 RE8 kit marking option isnt it? cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:21:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Another one bites the dust Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD01A9EFF4@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Jack shares this with us: > OUCH! Reminds me of the ONLY time I foolishly put a finished > model in the > open back of my pickup for transport to a show so a friend > could ride in the > cab. At about 65MPH, the vortex in the back sucked the box > out. The only time I've seen a static model fly.... At last years QMHE one of the intended contestants arrived carrying a box containing the deconstructed parts of about a dozen car kits. He'd done just the same as you - put boxes in the back of his ute (pickup to you) only to see them sucked out from under the cover onto the roadway. With great presence of mind and humour, he took the lot to his club display and made an instant diorama entitled "LA Freeway" We members of the committee had an extra award engraved for him, the "Sh*t Happens Medal" for meritorious conduct in the face of modelling disaster. It went over well with the modelling public, who must all have thought "There but for the grace of God...." Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:43:59 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ace two seater crews Message-ID: British records did not 'officially' credit two seater crews, generally, with air to air "victories", but they were usually recorded in the unit logs, I remember reading about Arch Whitehouse, on leaving his two seater unit, where he had been a gunner (starting with Fees!) was told that the unit records showed he had 16 1/2 air victories to his credit, but his 'official' score is just the six he got as a Camel pilot in 1918, only unit records and logs credit individuals, officially, the unit as a whole got the credit, so I'm sure there were many "ace' crews. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:43:36 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE 8s Message-ID: <200006220052.RAA20470@mail.rapidnet.net> Cam writes . . > There doesnt seem to be many pics of 3AFC RE8's while they had the white > circle. There is > one of A3662 with the flight marking J and the faded B4 on the top wing. > That is an Airfix 1/72 > RE8 kit marking option isnt it? I was given a pic of B5580, a/c N, with the white circle marking to do a profile .. this is included in the forthcoming FMP/Schiffer British markings book. A/c 'J' is the Airfix option. . but with a 'J' on the upperwing as well .. no B4 Bob (just finished scanning the rest of my RFC/RAF profiles. . now to edit and add them to the CD - after that it is RNAS and I'm basically done !!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:51:44 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Two Seater Aces part 2 Message-ID: I also recall that an American (USAAS) got a fairly big medal for shooting down six (or was it eight) fighters, in a single very harrowing mission, but I don't remember if he was in a Salmson or a 'Lib' (a US Made DH4.) Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:59:10 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Fokker question Message-ID: <200006220058.RAA11991@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> What color is the inside of a Fokker Dr.I/D.VI cowl, and what color would the "firewall" be, on the exterior right behind the engine? TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:04:43 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: In a message dated 00-06-21 21:00:22 EDT, you write: << What color is the inside of a Fokker Dr.I/D.VI cowl.... ? >> Is this Voss's? < ducking > DZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:13:50 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: <74.6b9baa.2682c24e@aol.com> Matt, the pictures say nothing specific, but the few of any possible value appear to be unpainted metal, that would make sense, as the inside of the cowl would be constantly coated with hot castor oil, and would not need corrosion protection, and Fokker was a cheap so and so, I usually use a dark metal color. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:42:24 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: <20000621.214228.-137485.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Bare aluminum. They were indeed cheaply built. One fact that indicates this is that one captured aircraft (I'm not sure if this was the one examined by Flight) had its wing fabric attached with nails, and not sewn on. Certainly doesn't inspire confidence. A flat aluminum paint would be perfect for the firewall/cowl inside. Best, Lyle On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:03:20 -0400 (EDT) "Matthew Bittner" writes: > What color is the inside of a Fokker Dr.I/D.VI cowl, and what color > would the "firewall" be, on the exterior right behind the engine? > TIA! > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:00:58 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Die Stuffen Albatrossen Message-ID: <3951735A.60F71A19@banet.net> Good evening List-landers-- I have posted a number of images at photopoint.com in response to a couple recent Albatrossen threads to permit all citizens to be on the same page as it were. I hope the following URL works: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=930703&a=6869466 (the album is titled : Stuffen Albatrossen) The items are: 1. DVa cockpit side views 2. Photos of Schobinger's Jasta 12 'comets.' In the line-up, I see lozenge on the lower wing of the bird in front. The lower curve of the comet tail on this aircraft does not reach to the landing gear attachment point, and this is true of the the closer rear 3/4 view. I assume therefore it is also the lonzenged mount. The magnified view is no help in determining whether there is any tonal difference between the cross border and the comet. However, it does seem to me that if one is going to choose white for the main emblem, then the very light struts, and wheel covers, should also be done up in white. 3. Is anything known about Reimann's painted lozenge Jasta 78b show-stopper? Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:14:49 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/00 8:01:11 PM Central Daylight Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > What color is the inside of a Fokker Dr.I/D.VI cowl, and what color > would the "firewall" be, on the exterior right behind the engine? TIA! > I like to use Gunze Burnt Iron for moments like that. It seems to capture that....well...."burnt" look. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:48:15 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze Message-ID: <00d501bfdc0d$76d02020$95e23ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Dave, C&C international vol.21 no.2 1990 has an article on the Breguet 14 with scale drawings, cutaway drawing showing interior layout, and good photos of instrument panel & Michelin bomb rack details. The FMP French book has good 3 view paintings with camouflage schemes. If anyone has e-mail address for Hi-tech, please e-mail them to do a set of bombs & photoetched bomb retaining clips for the Michelin racks on their Breguet kit! I want to build it, but it looks naked without the bombs! Dave Calhoun-----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:04 PM Subject: Bray-gay Kay-torze >Hey Guys, > > Anybody know of a good info on the Breguet 14? Can't find a DF for >it... > > >DB > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:01:36 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE 8s Message-ID: Bob, Here is a pic of A3662 from the AWM collection; http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/tmp/tmp.html You can see the faded B4 on the topwing. Wonder where it came from? Another squadron? the hack shops? or did B flight put their flight Letter as well as flight number number on the top wing? I havent seen the top wings of any B flight aircraft from 3 AFC during that period. Any ideas anyone? There is also several pics of circle "13", the serial is visible but i cant make it out. I havent seen circle "N". btw went through and collated 3 AFC in the Communiques. Entries for 2 CAPT, 7 DES and 7 OOC. cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:00:19 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rodney Gerrard Message-ID: <7f.60725b1.2682db43@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/00 2:31:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << I have heard a lot of awkward comments about this whole affair, but I think Lance's summary earlier today was the kindest way of closing the book on this business. It is just one of those things where it may be better to remain bewildered.... DZ >> I agree- It really pained me to be knocking some guy who's not around to defend himself. Since we're aware that some bad info escaped- we can be on guard and get on with it! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:00:14 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/00 6:45:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lyle.lamboley@juno.com writes: << Bare aluminum. They were indeed cheaply built. One fact that indicates this is that one captured aircraft (I'm not sure if this was the one examined by Flight) had its wing fabric attached with nails, and not sewn on. Certainly doesn't inspire confidence. A flat aluminum paint would be perfect for the firewall/cowl inside. Best, Lyle >> Quite a few planes on all sides used tacking- especially in the first half of the war. .....sometimes through a strip of wood or cane, sometimes directly. Spad fabric was tacked - and not even on every rib. After the first few DR.I accidents, one of the remedies ordered by the Idflieg was to start stiching, rather than mere tacking. It took a while for stitching to be universally used- just another technological innovation along the way! A few nights ago I came across a letter in an old WW I Aero by some guy who was complaining that most British museums were now using stitching/taping on all restorations, whether that was the actual method used or not for any given old crate. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:55:04 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze Message-ID: <003e01bfdbf6$fc686100$a283aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Which one? And when? DB Huh? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze >An issue of C&C(INT) was devoted to it > >Bob > >---------- >>From: "DAVID BURKE" >>To: Multiple recipients of list >>Subject: Bray-gay Kay-torze >>Date: Wed, Jun 21, 2000, 4:07 pm >> > >> Hey Guys, >> >> Anybody know of a good info on the Breguet 14? Can't find a DF for >> it... >> >> >> DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:56:24 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze Message-ID: <003f01bfdbf6$fd642620$a283aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I want Saint-Exeupery markings! DB -----Original Message----- From: David Calhoun To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:45 PM Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze >Hi Dave, >C&C international vol.21 no.2 1990 has an article on the Breguet 14 with >scale drawings, cutaway drawing showing interior layout, and good photos of >instrument panel & Michelin bomb rack details. The FMP French book has good >3 view paintings with camouflage schemes. > If anyone has e-mail address for Hi-tech, please e-mail them to do a set of >bombs & photoetched bomb retaining clips for the Michelin racks on their >Breguet kit! I want to build it, but it looks naked without the bombs! >Dave Calhoun-----Original Message----- >From: DAVID BURKE >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:04 PM >Subject: Bray-gay Kay-torze > > >>Hey Guys, >> >> Anybody know of a good info on the Breguet 14? Can't find a DF for >>it... >> >> >>DB >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:00:46 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: <004001bfdbf6$fe3cd2e0$a283aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Fokker question >Matt, the pictures say nothing specific, but the few of any possible value >appear to be unpainted metal, that would make sense, as the inside of the >cowl would be constantly coated with hot castor oil, and would not need >corrosion protection, and Fokker was a cheap so and so, I usually use a dark >metal color. >Merrill > Ditto here to Merrill's info, but it seems to have been 'riffled' at times, especially in the Eindekkers and planes with other parts with that finish. I shouldn't be surprised that the Fokker D.II for instance might have a riffled firewall - not that you could see it that much, and I'm sure it got covered with crud pretty quickly... DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:04:56 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: <004101bfdbf6$ff0f6520$a283aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 8:00 PM Subject: Fokker question >What color is the inside of a Fokker Dr.I/D.VI cowl, and what color >would the "firewall" be, on the exterior right behind the engine? TIA! > > >Matt Bittner > ...Of course, after actually READING the question and seeing that you are talking about specific types, I'd say aluminum. Did a ring of crud build up inside the cowlings? I.E. if a cylinder was malfunctioning, or had cracked piston rings and was slinging oil, would it collect in the cowling? Did regularly-functioning engines throw soot or crap inside the cowling as it rotated, or was it usually pretty clean in there? Curious.... DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:07:19 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: <004201bfdbf6$ffcfa7e0$a283aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Zulis@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Fokker question >In a message dated 00-06-21 21:00:22 EDT, you write: > ><< What color is the inside of a Fokker Dr.I/D.VI cowl.... ? >> > >Is this Voss's? > >< ducking > > >DZ .....Damn! Missed! DB (reaching for other shoe.....) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:30:16 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: Dave, rotary engines used a "total loss" oiling system, castor oil was mixed with the fuel while being drawn into the carbs, and all the unburnt oil was thrown out the exhaust stubs, and WWI era gaskets were pretty good, but not perfect, so some oil leaked in the good old fashioned way, and was thrown around by the spinning cylinders, too Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:10:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Die Stuffen Albatrossen Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CD01A9EFF9@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Stef posted: > 3. Is anything known about Reimann's painted lozenge Jasta 78b > show-stopper? A nitpick, and I'm sure he noticed, but the captions for this machine say D.V, whereas it's a D.Va Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:41:07 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: <395198E3.9EAEC592@x25.net> On a TM S4C it collects inside and drips in large quantities. the TM enine is in very good condition, no soot or dirt comes out. But the Castor Oil isn't burned much and it collects inside and drips for a very long time period. It runs down the fire wall more than from the cowling. I suspect others did the same. Air coming into the lower front aea would lift it up and back more than on the inside circumference. Some Nieuport valves were in the very top of the cylinder head and it would go outwards more but a lot will go to the rear and accumulate on the firewall, because of the inward flow of air from the front. Some Nieuports had holes in the sides of the Cowl and it allowed some of the oil to exit and flow down the sides of the plane. Large enough quantities moving along the fuselage could cause the Pilots to throw up and many drank, a lot, because it seemed to calm the stomach and override the castor oil intake. The engines didn't exactly sling the oil out because it is part of the fuel mixture. It does get blown out of the exhaust outlet with considerable power from the piston movement. Somewhere, in my files, I have a photo of a Nieuport engine valve both open and closed in case anyone wants to see it. let me know. It is a close up with the valve and lifter,- then my hand holding it open. I do not know what a broken cylinder would do but I suspect it would not take in much of the fuel/oil mix if it had a hole in it, since, there would be no worthwhile crankcase pressure from that cylinders down stroke. It would partly depend on where the hole or crack was located The fuel, and the air mixture, comes up from the piston down stroke like a two cycle. Haven't seen every kind of rotary operate but I have seen a number of them, as well as the after effects. Our TM is washed down with mild soap and warm water periodically, and soon after flights, to get off the residue as well as the dirt that wants to stick in the oil. Even the 1909 Bleriot replica spits oil to some degree, but not like a rotary. Lee M. DAVID BURKE wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Bittner > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 8:00 PM > Subject: Fokker question > > >What color is the inside of a Fokker Dr.I/D.VI cowl, and what color > >would the "firewall" be, on the exterior right behind the engine? TIA! > > > > > >Matt Bittner > > > > ..Of course, after actually READING the question and seeing that you are > talking about specific types, I'd say aluminum. > > Did a ring of crud build up inside the cowlings? I.E. if a cylinder was > malfunctioning, or had cracked piston rings and was slinging oil, would it > collect in the cowling? Did regularly-functioning engines throw soot or > crap inside the cowling as it rotated, or was it usually pretty clean in > there? > > Curious.... > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:44:56 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: <000c01bfdc04$ade96fc0$5f85aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:33 PM Subject: Re: Fokker question >Dave, rotary engines used a "total loss" oiling system, castor oil was mixed >with the fuel while being drawn into the carbs, and all the unburnt oil was >thrown out the exhaust stubs, and WWI era gaskets were pretty good, but not >perfect, so some oil leaked in the good old fashioned way, and was thrown >around by the spinning cylinders, too >Merrill > Hey Merrill, Thanks for the clarification! I knew about the total loss lubricant system, but I didn't know if the oil was part of the fuel/air mix, or ran from a separate tank and was used in the crankcase and pistons and then slung out. I need to study my rotaries more. DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:10:10 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Re: RE8 Message-ID: <000f01bfdc18$e7bb4980$320106c0@acasirat> Thanks, Sandy ! My researches about that important aeroplane date back to 1990 and it seems time had an adverse effect on my memory ! As for the RE8 flying qualities, Philip Brereton Townsend, of 12 Sqn, RAF, remembers that the machine could be looped and spinned without any risk. He never reported landing difficulties. Ciao ! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:26:36 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Fokker question Message-ID: <003101bfdc2b$f7289680$a90156d1@default> There were a couple of rotaries on display at the museum in Pensacola. These had a distinct brown or "varnish" tone. Exactly like a castor oil burning model airplane engine gets after long use. I doubt the inner cowl surfaces were hot enough to cook the oil like the outside surfaces of the engine, but I imagine the bare aluminum took on a yellowish cast after a few hours running time. A coat or two of tinted Future over the aluminum paint ought to do the trick. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:42:34 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 101.37 Message-ID: <395144DA.C36DA9AE@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Chris Anderson : > > Thanks again for the link, nice pictures. Do you know any more on the > progression of 101.73 to its current status? Sorry, but I do not know anything more. These pictures are from member of the Polish modelers news group pl.rec.modelarstwo and he put it on our official webpage. No, there is something more, grays on that Aviatik were identified as RAL 7036, RAL 7012 and bottom RAL 1015 -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:14:15 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Bray-gay Kay-torze Message-ID: <200006221013.DAA24584@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just uploaded a page of Breguet 14 references to my sprint site: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/ However, as of 5:15 this morning, it appears the server is down. Be sure to check back during the day. Matt Bittner --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just uploaded a page of Breguet 14 references to my sprint site:

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However, as of 5:15 this morning, it appears the server is down. Be sure to check back during the day.


Matt Bittner
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