WWI Digest 2428 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE8 by "Sandy Adam" 2) Re: Rodney Gerrard by "Lance Krieg" 3) Re: back in the saddle again by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: Home again - heeeee's baaaack! by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: Home again - heeeee's baaaack! by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: Cool Model For Sale.... by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: French References by "Lance Krieg" 8) Teuton Bashing by "Lance Krieg" 9) Re: Info needed by Chris Anderson 10) Re: Teuton Bashing by Lee Mensinger 11) Thanks and can we say "Goodbye to All That"?/ was: Teuton Bashing by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: RE8 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 13) Re: French References by "Matt Bittner" 14) Image(s) up by " Todd Henry" 15) Re: French References by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Rodney Gerrard by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: Image(s) up by "Matt Bittner" 18) Re: French References by "Matt Bittner" 19) Re: Rodney Gerrard by Albatrosdv@aol.com 20) New image page by "Matt Bittner" 21) 101.37 by Chris Anderson 22) Re: Rodney Gerrard by Chris Anderson 23) Re: Image(s) up by Allan Wright 24) Re: Teuton Bashing by "DAVID BURKE" 25) Re: New image page by "DAVID BURKE" 26) Re: Image(s) up by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 27) Re: Rodney Gerrard by Zulis@aol.com 28) Blue Rider by Zulis@aol.com 29) Re: Blue Rider by "Andrew Ronayne" 30) Re: Info needed by Zulis@aol.com 31) Re: Blue Rider by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:47:40 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: RE8 Message-ID: <002901bfdb6e$4d41b2e0$0ce8b094@sandyada> > Just an additional info, for all those RE8 detractors: more than one crew > became aces on the Harry Tate. There were at least three ace crews, all in > the AFC if I remember well. Pith! - Since when did 12 Sqdn join the colonials? They are very proud of Pithey & Rhodes who were "top guns" on RE8 and a damned sight more remarkable an achievement it was than that of many a single-seater ace. Pithey was S. African and Rhodes from Yorkshire. The latter survived to become a member of parliament. Rhodes was the observer and spent hours and hours and hours practising deflection shots on attacking aircraft. They would let some boy-racer in a Fokker D7 with alloy wheels and go-faster stripes, come zooming down for an easy victory over a home crowd - and then spoil his day very badly. Rhodes got 10 kills with Pithey and an 11th with another pilot. A lot of the bad press for the RE8 was well-deserved as the original machine had stability problems and would spin very easily, due to the small fin & rudder being unable to counteract the effect of the engine torque in the long nose. It was also difficult to judge in landing, because of the high nose and under-nose air filter. Once the tail was sorted and the RE's performance limitations and few advantages understood it acquitted itself very well considering. Remember it was a pair of AFC RE8s that held off MvR and his cronies for some considerable time, damaging two of them, before Brown and the rest of 209 joined the fight on 21/04/18. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:51:11 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Rodney Gerrard Message-ID: I followed the RG story pretty closely, and a couple of observations seem to be in order: I don't believe that there was any malice intended, and certainly no deceit for profit. As mentioned, he was very ill. Some of his early samples may well have been legitimate, and in all events he WAS a keenly interested markings historian. He tended to produce counterfeits that supported the work of other historians, so there was at least some prior basis for his color choices. It is, of course, a terrible shame that whatever legitimate work he accomplished is tainted by his later fabrications, and that he compromised the work of others, not the least of whom was Dr. O'Connor. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:46:14 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: back in the saddle again Message-ID: <007001bfdb92$b5a41200$3181aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Guy! I just got back myself from Provence! Glad to hear you're better - I'm jet-lagged as all hell but not sick with a bug. By the looks of this morning's collection of posts, it looks like I didn't miss anything, probably you didn't either. DB -----Original Message----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 5:03 AM Subject: back in the saddle again >Hi list! I really missed you guys! >After being grounded by some days because of the flu (remember 1918?) I'm >back to the list realm. I had a glimpse of the current topics thanks to the >assistance of my girlfriend and her computer, but i stil have to catch up >with all the digests. >Anyway, I just can say that these have been very productive days, with many >great addittions to the ww1 related sites as well as many interesting >threads. >For my part, the forced confinement resulted on a moderate modelling >activity and some drawings... unfortunately, I have to return to the office >today, when I'd rather stay in bed (hey, it's -1ºC outside!) but this crazy >group makes the burden lighter. >Thanks >D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:03:59 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Home again - heeeee's baaaack! Message-ID: <007101bfdb92$b68f0e40$3181aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Well, Provence is the French South - has defied the orders and conventions of the rest of the country for a long time (especially Marseilles). I LIKE being around Southern folks!. Asterix is still big there, and I saw him and the crew on menus, etc. On the 50 Franc note, there is the face of St. Exeupery, a picture of the 'Little Prince', and St. Exeupery's Breguet 14. The food is great, and most of the females will make your eyes bug out and your brains explode (AND they speak French... Purrrr!) I bought a WWI Croix De Guerre. I also ALMOST bought half of a Germania propeller. Too big to ship, but the guy let me take pics of it, and I got a shot of the blade and the logo. Will inform further once they're developed. Didn't get to go to the air museum at Le Bourget for lack of time, but did go to the Hotel des Invalides (the War Museum) and though there was scant aviation stuff there, I took pics of Lewis and Vickers guns and some models made by soliers made from shells - boredom made them creative. Imagine an Eindekker made from a .303 cal. round. Better yet, I'll put up the pics if they come out. I also visited L'Empereur and the tomb of Marshall Foche. Also got pics of a FT-17. All told? I would go back in a heartbeat! And I may, as the Smithsonian just might be doing a WWI Tour of battlefields in Northern France!!!!! I will keep you all posted as I get the info, but I was on the trip with the woman who is planning it. She says that she wants to concentrate on the places where the U.S. fought, but I told her that aviation was a mandatory inclusive, and IIRC, Verdun was included in her list. So I'll pass on the info. Just about every French town I passed through had a statue in the center of it dressed in trench gear and covered with the names of their dead in the big war. And these were Southern towns far from the fighting. Sobering. And I saw WW2 German blockhouses where they mowed down U.S. troops on the road to liberate Toulon and Marseillies in August 1944. Everyone pays attention to Normandy, but the 'Anvil' landings took heavy casualties as well. I bought a Damascus-steel dagger while I was there, and while it's very ot, it's so cool that it had to be mentioned! So I am back, and ready to play with some plastic and relax for a few days. And I turned 33 in Avignon and Aix-en-Provence. Couldn't have picked a better place! Glad to re-join the asylum (speaking of which, we visited the one where Van Gogh was committed). DB -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Home again - heeeee's baaaack! >In a message dated 6/20/00 7:51:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >dora9@sprynet.com writes: > ><< Will tell more when jet-lag has worn > off. >> > > To heck with the jet-lag- we want to hear more RIGHT NOW. >RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:08:02 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Home again - heeeee's baaaack! Message-ID: <007301bfdb92$b841ee60$3181aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Home again - heeeee's baaaack! >Welcome back! >What'd ya bring us?? > >sp > Lemme get the pics developed and we'll see - I'm sure you guys wouldn't mind the prop pics! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:05:10 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Cool Model For Sale.... Message-ID: <007201bfdb92$b77a0a80$3181aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Cool Model For Sale.... >In a message dated 6/20/00 2:10:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > ><< How many fighter aces flew > Salmsons >> > >at least one American, who's name escapes me right now! >RK Me too, but it's in 'America's First Eagles', a good read - I read it on my trip! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:22:42 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: French References Message-ID: Shane has (again) fairly summarized the likely reasons for the dearth of French resources. One can probably add French resistance to English as the "Lingua Franca", so French researchers are less likely to prepare their material for an English-speaking audience. But then one considers the vast quantity of pictures and information available on GERMAN aircraft. Even given the disruption of two lost world wars, heavy residential bombing, large population dislocation, and occupation and partition, there is no shortage of German material. Which leads me to conclude that plenty of French data is available, just untapped. C'mon, Matt! Bone up on your high school French and get busy! I'll buy those Datafiles... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:31:51 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Teuton Bashing Message-ID: C'mon, Tom, lighten up on the political diatribes, will ya? The emphasis is on MODELING, right? My Germanic roots are starting to show... Lance KRIEG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:41:48 -0400 From: Chris Anderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Info needed Message-ID: Enjoyed the comments in this thread. In general I strongly agree that very often pilots and crews were not reliable when it comes to accurately noting colors and so on - there are many examples of this - and is good illustration of the complexities and limitations of sensory perception and its interpretation. Context is everything, evaluating assertions would have to be on a case by case basis. I feel some people tend to notice and are able to recall such things, others less so. Having said that, I think the absence of any record of the two-toned grays is a factor that has to be taken into account, and it is apparently lacking in not just pilot references, but all other levels of the air service, official and anecdotal, and the manufacturing firms have no evidence that I know of. I know that there are convincing explanations to the lack of such records/accounts, but...Too bad we probably will never know for certain. The elimination of so much related to A-H aviation cannot be remedied! Witold, Thanks for the 101.37 link! Will check it out soon. The chocolate brown description is just the sort I would feel is on the mark, although I think it would have been PC10. In any case, I feel chocolate brown would be more reliable in this specific instance then the sweating the details of the composition of PC10... TC, as much as I agree with you (the treaty was an awful, short-sighted thing, but does invading Poland put it right, or France, or...), I hope your lack of tact won't get you in hot water again! So...does anyone feel confident enough about the 2/gray scheme to actually model it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:04:02 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Teuton Bashing Message-ID: <3950E772.1F74D932@x25.net> Me too but I give a certain amount of leeway to "Mad dogs and Englishmen" whether they go out in the noon day sun. they have been unhappy for a thousand years of rule by some of the Teutons they seem to hate Maybe thats why. They met their betters, as Kings and Queens, and didn't like them. How about Phillip Battenberg? Present queens "consort". His daddy changed the family name to Mountbatten in 1914. That should irk somebody. Lee M. Lance Krieg wrote: > C'mon, Tom, lighten up on the political diatribes, will ya? > > The emphasis is on MODELING, right? > > My Germanic roots are starting to show... > > Lance KRIEG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:40:37 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thanks and can we say "Goodbye to All That"?/ was: Teuton Bashing Message-ID: <20000621164037.82402.qmail@hotmail.com> All this talk about Battenberg is giving me a hankering for dessert now,... yumm! OK, TC et al., thanks for the monthly parochial diatribe but can we get off this now? I'm also reading "Dreadnought" thanks to TC's advice. Is the book called that because of its girth (over 1000 pages)? BTW, thanks to all who responded to my request for help on my WWI modelling presentation. Michael >From: Lee Mensinger >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Teuton Bashing >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:05:29 -0400 (EDT) > >Me too but I give a certain amount of leeway to "Mad dogs and >Englishmen" whether they go out in the noon day sun. they have been >unhappy for a thousand years of rule by some of the Teutons they seem to >hate Maybe thats why. They met their betters, as Kings and Queens, and >didn't like them. How about Phillip Battenberg? Present queens >"consort". His daddy changed the family name to Mountbatten in 1914. >That should irk somebody. > >Lee M. > >Lance Krieg wrote: > > > C'mon, Tom, lighten up on the political diatribes, will ya? > > > > The emphasis is on MODELING, right? > > > > My Germanic roots are starting to show... > > > > Lance KRIEG > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:46:24 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE8 Message-ID: <48.714bf38.26824b60@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/00 5:53:39 AM EST, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes: << Remember it was a pair of AFC RE8s that held off MvR and his cronies for some considerable time, damaging two of them, before Brown and the rest of 209 joined the fight on 21/04/18. Sandy >> Thanks for the history lesson, Sandy. For some reason, I have always liked this airplane, and the Aeroclub example in my collection is one of my favorites. TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:21:14 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: French References Message-ID: <200006211650.MAA18646@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:27:53 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote: > C'mon, Matt! Bone up on your high school French and get busy! I'll buy those Datafiles... That's the odd thing. I never took French, instead opting for high school (and some college) German. Nicht war? Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:30:10 -0400 From: " Todd Henry" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Image(s) up Message-ID: <412000632117301050@earthlink.net> Well, I finally got some images posted from the model contest here in Spartanburg from two weeks ago. Sadly, only one OT image, but take a a look anyway. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cthenrys/models/spshow/spshow.html Todd Henry P.S. There is one of those dreaded 10$&*^% thingies so beware. Is ONE HitKit Albatros sufficient for penance ? --- --- cthenrys@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:35:55 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French References Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/00 8:25:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << Which leads me to conclude that plenty of French data is available, just untapped. >> Is it just untapped, or maybe is it that it's just not been wrapped up in nicely collated Datafile fashion? Heck, I'd just be happy if some one had some good interior shots of Mitchell's Spad two seater. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:35:56 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rodney Gerrard Message-ID: <17.72c9835.268256fc@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/00 6:52:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << I don't believe that there was any malice intended, and certainly no deceit for profit. As mentioned, he was very ill. >> That's one aspect of the affair that's really quite sad. RG was also going blind (I forget what the major affliction was). I don't know how long he was ill, but he was cantankerous and surly 30 years ago. A friend gave me a large stack of ancient British IPMS pubs and these feature several of his markings articles- in the late 60's/early 70's. If anyone questioned his pronouncements, he became defensive, and borderline rude (he'd fit right in on RMS today!). One particular exchange in the "Letters" section was with St.Harry Woodman- who responded in a gentlemanly fashion to one of RG's pieces. Harry was calling for a little less dogmatic approach, with more circumspection. RG launched- HE had talked personally with so-and-so, HE had actual fabric...he pretty much dismissed St. Harry as nothing but an insurrectionist peon without standing. He was a grumpy coot for at least 30 years. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:43:47 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Image(s) up Message-ID: <200006211809.OAA19019@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:30:02 -0400 (EDT), Todd Henry wrote: > P.S. There is one of those dreaded 10$&*^% thingies so beware. Is ONE > HitKit Albatros sufficient for penance ? Nope. One HK Alb, and you have to correct the Merlin Rumpler. Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:45:24 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: French References Message-ID: <200006211809.OAA19018@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:40:59 -0400 (EDT), KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > Heck, I'd just be happy if some one had some good interior shots of > Mitchell's Spad two seater. Just so everyone knows: I have contacted both the USAF Museum (since it's now in their inventory) and NASM (because it actually "belongs" to them) and *neither* have any sort of detail shots. In addition, it's hanging from the USAFM ceiling, so I doubt they'll let anyone "up there" to take pictures. :-( If anyone knows different, please let us know ASAP. Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:30:19 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rodney Gerrard Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/00 12:41:22 PM EST, KarrArt@aol.com writes: << He was a grumpy coot for at least 30 years. RK >> Sounds like someone I know well. (Particularly when the painkiller isn't working like it should) :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:17:09 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New image page Message-ID: <200006211836.OAA19160@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I just uploaded - correctly, this time - a new page for modeler Bill Powers. While he doesn't subscribe to the list, he does visit the site and is an excellent modeler. He also won the coveted Mike Fritz award. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:21:01 -0400 From: Chris Anderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 101.37 Message-ID: >And pictures of 101.37 here >http://www.modelarstwo.kk.opole.pl/galerie/seredynski/berg.html > >-- > Witold Kozakiewicz Thanks again for the link, nice pictures. Do you know any more on the progression of 101.73 to its current status? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:32:01 -0400 From: Chris Anderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rodney Gerrard Message-ID: >In a message dated 6/21/00 6:52:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: > ><< > I don't believe that there was any malice intended, and certainly no deceit >for profit. As mentioned, he was very ill. > >> > > That's one aspect of the affair that's really quite sad. RG was also going >blind (I forget what the major affliction was). >I don't know how long he was ill, but he was cantankerous and surly 30 years >ago. A friend gave me a large stack of ancient British IPMS pubs and these >feature several of his markings articles- in the late 60's/early 70's. If >anyone questioned his pronouncements, he became defensive, and borderline >rude (he'd fit right in on RMS today!). One particular exchange in the >"Letters" section was with St.Harry Woodman- who responded in a gentlemanly >fashion to one of RG's pieces. Harry was calling for a little less dogmatic >approach, with more circumspection. RG launched- HE had talked personally >with so-and-so, HE had actual fabric...he pretty much dismissed St. Harry as >nothing but an insurrectionist peon without standing. >He was a grumpy coot for at least 30 years. >RK That is really some story there; The human aspect always outs! At this later date is it possible to evaluate if he helped or hurt the cause of OT research - or perhaps both at once? Maybe directly or indirectly he spurred more stable researchers into action? Just thinking off the top of my head... Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Image(s) up Message-ID: <200006212015.QAA19486@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > > P.S. There is one of those dreaded 10$&*^% thingies so beware. Is ONE > > HitKit Albatros sufficient for penance ? > > Nope. One HK Alb, and you have to correct the Merlin Rumpler. > Step 1: throw out kit wings, scratch build replacements Step 2: throw out kit fuselage, scratch build replacement Step 3: Throw out kit engine, replace with aeroclub etc..... =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:23:14 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Teuton Bashing Message-ID: <003b01bfdbbe$c0c26de0$cb93aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:35 AM Subject: Teuton Bashing >C'mon, Tom, lighten up on the political diatribes, will ya? > >The emphasis is on MODELING, right? > >My Germanic roots are starting to show... > >Lance KRIEG > Jesus, I REALLY didn't miss anything while I was gone, did I? DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:24:20 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: New image page Message-ID: <003c01bfdbbe$c1937980$cb93aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I know Bill. I know his stuff. He's one of the best. DB -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: New image page >I just uploaded - correctly, this time - a new page for modeler Bill >Powers. While he doesn't subscribe to the list, he does visit the site >and is an excellent modeler. He also won the coveted Mike Fritz award. > > >Matt Bittner >WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:02:28 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Image(s) up Message-ID: Keep the box though! Step 1: throw out kit wings, scratch build replacements Step 2: throw out kit fuselage, scratch build replacement Step 3: Throw out kit engine, replace with aeroclub etc..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:28:17 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rodney Gerrard Message-ID: In a message dated 00-06-21 15:42:57 EDT, you write: << That is really some story there; The human aspect always outs! At this later date is it possible to evaluate if he helped or hurt the cause of OT research - or perhaps both at once? Maybe directly or indirectly he spurred more stable researchers into action? Just thinking off the top of my head... Chris >> I have heard a lot of awkward comments about this whole affair, but I think Lance's summary earlier today was the kindest way of closing the book on this business. It is just one of those things where it may be better to remain bewildered.... DZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:34:09 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Blue Rider Message-ID: <72.68f94a.26828ed1@aol.com> Ok... everybody heard me grumble and moan about FMP's customer service last year. Sorry about that. So - I am taking this opportunity to share a GOOD customer service story instead. Recently, I ordered a number of decal sheets and four of their air force booklets from Blue Rider/Insignia. Coming from England to Canada, the order was in my mailbox in six days. Unfortunately, as sometimes happens, somebody made a mistake and sent me the Lithuanian Air Force book instead of the one I had ordered. As I already had the Lit book, I emailed Richard at Blue Rider and asked what we should do from here. He wrote back telling me the correct book is now in the mail, and suggesting I introduce a friend to the pleasures of our hobby by passing the extra Lithuania book along as a gift. We meet some nice people in this hobby.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:42:14 +1000 From: "Andrew Ronayne" To: Subject: Re: Blue Rider Message-ID: <00ab01bfdbc9$917d9860$93cb1dcb@t9hf2> great story, nice to see that kind of service....and how does one become your friend Dave? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2000 7:38 Subject: Blue Rider > > Ok... everybody heard me grumble and moan about FMP's customer service last > year. Sorry about that. So - I am taking this opportunity to share a > GOOD customer service story instead. > > Recently, I ordered a number of decal sheets and four of their air force > booklets from Blue Rider/Insignia. Coming from England to Canada, the > order was in my mailbox in six days. Unfortunately, as sometimes happens, > somebody made a mistake and sent me the Lithuanian Air Force book instead of > the one I had ordered. As I already had the Lit book, I emailed Richard at > Blue Rider and asked what we should do from here. > > He wrote back telling me the correct book is now in the mail, and suggesting > I introduce a friend to the pleasures of our hobby by passing the extra > Lithuania book along as a gift. > > We meet some nice people in this hobby.... > > Dave Z > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:52:59 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Info needed Message-ID: << So...does anyone feel confident enough about the 2/gray scheme to actually model it? >> Dont look at me..... years ago, I built a blue and white Raben..... DZ :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:50:00 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Blue Rider Message-ID: <002301bfdbd3$12b816e0$0884aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > >Ok... everybody heard me grumble and moan about FMP's customer service last >year. Sorry about that. Why apologize? Their service stinks (stank) and there's no excuse for it - although better than Monogram Aviation Publications (undisputed king of horrible service). Nice that you had a good experience though. I like to share mine too, as it shows that, as you put it, 'We meet some nice people in this hobby'. That reminds me: gotta check out Hannan's Runway to see if they have some more Datafiles that I need! DB ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2428 **********************