WWI Digest 2389 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: D.H.2 at "Modeling Madness" by smperry@mindspring.com 2) My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions by "Jack Gartner" 3) Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions by bucky@ptdprolog.net 4) Roden by "K. Hagerup" 5) Re: Roden!!! by "Steven Schofield" 6) Re: Roden by smperry@mindspring.com 7) Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions by Albatrosdv@aol.com 8) RE: Roden!!! by Shane Weier 9) Re: Roden by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: Kids and models by "Michael S. Alvarado" 12) Re: Kids and models by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 13) Re: Roden by "Matthew Bittner" 14) RE: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions by "Ed Schaller" 15) RE: Jacobsen's Albatros: Questions by Shane Weier 16) RE: Roden by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 17) Re: Kids, models and Aviation World by Zulis@aol.com 18) Re: Book question by Lee Mensinger 19) Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions by "Jack Gartner" 20) Re: Roden!!! by "Jack Gartner" 21) Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions by bucky@ptdprolog.net 22) Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions by "Jack Gartner" 23) Re: Kids and models by Mark Miller 24) Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions by "Jack Gartner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:57:00 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: D.H.2 at "Modeling Madness" Message-ID: <001c01bfcf38$fa92b4e0$ab0156d1@default> Great article on the DH-2 build Tom. I liked the shading on some of the fabric surfaces. Welcome to the "I built a boomer and I;m feeling muuuucch better now" club. I hadn't realized you'd had such trouble with the booms. I used wood struts and music wire longerons. Not much stronger than the metal to metal joints you described. Ernie had given me some copper foil, so I made little strips of this and wrapped them up one side of a strut end, around the longeron and back down the other side of the strut end. Real one was done this way. It made it strong enough to handle and has even survived a short drop or two. sp ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: D.H.2 at "Modeling Madness" > Review #500 at "Modeling Madness" is my D.H.2 - if anyone is interested in > how that monster was created, you can go to.... > > http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/ww1/cleaverdh2.htm > > and find out. > > Cheers, > > TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:14:25 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions Message-ID: <009301bfcf3b$6b26fac0$22371c18@tampabay.rr.com> All, I don't know if we are supposed to announce what is we are doing/have done for the Online Albatros project, but as I have seen several others announce their intentions here, I'll follow suit. 1) I've sent Ray Boorman images of one completed project, the black and white banded Albatros D-III flown by Lt. Weaver of Jasta 26 (aircraft in Profile, Vol.6, p.87), using the Eduard 1/48th non-Profipack (I call them "Eduard Light" kits) kit straight OOB except for adding cooling lines (does anyone know why Eduard has left those out of every Albatros kit - a glaring omission). 2) The second project, currently underway and about 1/2 done, again an Eduard 1/48th scale, is a green and white striped Albatros DVa, flown in Jasta 40. I only have the Aircraft in Profile reference, but have seen the Windsock color rendition, which shows the green bands as being very dark compared to the AiP. Since AiP indicates that the colors were confirmed by the C.O. of the Jasta, I would tend to side with their view (which is much prettier anyway :->), unless someone has compelling evidence to the contrary? Also, a bit of confusion about the pilot - the Profile photo caption (Vol. 1, p.101) indicates it was Lt. Helmuth Dilthey, with colors confirmed by Lt. R. Karl Degelow, the C.O. of Jasta 40, but the color profile (p.98) indicates that it was flown by Degelow himself. Anyone have the answer? Another color question - the wings were lozenge covered, with late style crosses. However, the lozenge fabric is interrupted on the top wing (at least) with a pale background behind the crosses, which is clearly NOT white! I am guessing that these backgrounds are Albatros blue-green. I HOPE noone can contradict me because I've already completed both wings, but inquiring minds have got to know... 3) Last, but by NO means least, I'm going to redo a lovely DV black & white striped bird thought to be from Jasta 2 (Boelcke), again using an Eduard kit. I built this one (picture in AiP on p. 105, Vol. 1) in 1/72nd scale with the old Revell kit. It came out beautifully. Then, one day, while sitting on its shelf minding its own business, one of my trophy plaques fell over and squashed it flat. Goodbye gear and one prop blade, although unbelieveably, all of the wing struts and rigging (except one line) held. It's been patched up, but will never fly again. So, I'll build it a big brother.... Anyway, does anyone know who the pilot was? So, there's my summer vacation or at least a good chunk of it... :-) Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:35:20 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions Message-ID: <393C2B28.73314DE8@ptdprolog.net> Jack Gartner wrote: > Also, a bit of confusion about the pilot - the Profile photo > caption (Vol. 1, p.101) indicates it was Lt. Helmuth Dilthey, with colors > confirmed by Lt. R. Karl Degelow, the C.O. of Jasta 40, but the color > profile (p.98) indicates that it was flown by Degelow himself. Anyone have > the answer? > I've always seen Dilthey listed as the pilot. I think the Datafile has a photo and lists him as the pilot. There is also a profile in the news Albatros Aces book that shows him as the pilot.....which leads to your next question: > Another color question - the wings were lozenge covered, with late style > crosses. However, the lozenge fabric is interrupted on the top wing (at > least) with a pale background behind the crosses, which is clearly NOT > white! I am guessing that these backgrounds are Albatros blue-green. I > HOPE noone can contradict me because I've already completed both wings, but > inquiring minds have got to know... The profile shows a cool GREEN background behind the crosses. Looks way cool and in approx. the same shade as the green on the fuselage. hth Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:54:59 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Roden Message-ID: <393C2FC3.4C0E@prodigy.net> The Roden crowd seem to have unearthed the real color of Voss' much-debated F.1's cowl - brick red! http://www.jadar.com.pl/html/firmy/roden/modele/017.htm Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:04:05 +0100 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Re: Roden!!! Message-ID: <002d01bfcf42$59a2dce0$9da993c3@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Gartner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Roden!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Bittner > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:43 AM > Subject: Roden!!! > > > > I'm looking at the Jadar site now (http://www.jadar.com.pl) and guess > > what. They list new Roden releases!!! Fokker E.V/D.VIII; D.VI; Dr.I; > > and F.I. In addition, those waiting on the off topic He-111, that's > > listed too. > > > > Let's hope Roden improves on Toko, i.e. struts that fit, no more bogus > > fabric weave, etc. > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > I'm guessing Roden is the reborn Toko? If so, are they still planning the > 1/72nd scale Gotha releases, does anyone know? > > Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 > diaphus@tampabay.rr.com > SAMI reports the above kits as year 2000 releases AND the Gotha. Kit database already amended, coz I'm such an optimist, you know. Scho http://www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:17:13 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Roden Message-ID: <001701bfcf44$2f1fc440$b10556d1@default> They must have switched to 1/60 scale ;-) sp > The Roden crowd seem to have unearthed the real color of Voss' > much-debated F.1's cowl - brick red! > > http://www.jadar.com.pl/html/firmy/roden/modele/017.htm > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:14:38 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions Message-ID: <48.657161d.266d8e5e@aol.com> In a message dated 6/5/00 5:14:33 PM EST, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: << 1) I've sent Ray Boorman images of one completed project, the black and white banded Albatros D-III flown by Lt. Weaver of Jasta 26 (aircraft in Profile, Vol.6, p.87), using the Eduard 1/48th non-Profipack (I call them "Eduard Light" kits) kit straight OOB except for adding cooling lines (does anyone know why Eduard has left those out of every Albatros kit - a glaring omission). >> Hopefully this isn't the one based on the Italian front with the black/white chevrons over fuselage and upper surfaces of wings and tail? That's the one I am doing (a *lot* of masking). No one has been able to identify the pilot, the picture can be seen in the old Air Enthusiast Quarterly No. 1, in the article "Agile and agressive Albatros." TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:20:12 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Roden!!! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD2103@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Scho says: > SAMI reports the above kits as year 2000 releases AND the Gotha. Kit > database already amended, coz I'm such an optimist, you know. SAvMI reporting anything is pretty well guaranteed to ensure something else happens - I'll wait a little longer before budgeting for them I think Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:16:52 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden Message-ID: In a message dated 6/5/00 5:59:55 PM EST, hagerupk@prodigy.net writes: << The Roden crowd seem to have unearthed the real color of Voss' much-debated F.1's cowl - brick red! >> Whereas, Eduard, in its boxart for its 1/72 F.1 shows Voss' machine with olive cowl! TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:02:27 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions Message-ID: <200006052330.QAA17088@mail.rapidnet.net> > 2) The second project, currently underway and about 1/2 done, again an > Eduard 1/48th scale, is a green and white striped Albatros DVa, flown in > Jasta 40. I only have the Aircraft in Profile reference, but have seen the > Windsock color rendition, which shows the green bands as being very dark > compared to the AiP. Since AiP indicates that the colors were confirmed by > the C.O. of the Jasta, I would tend to side with their view (which is much > prettier anyway :->), unless someone has compelling evidence to the > contrary? Also, a bit of confusion about the pilot - the Profile photo > caption (Vol. 1, p.101) indicates it was Lt. Helmuth Dilthey, with colors > confirmed by Lt. R. Karl Degelow, the C.O. of Jasta 40, but the color > profile (p.98) indicates that it was flown by Degelow himself. Anyone have > the answer? IIRC Dilthey was KIA in this very aorcraft while he was OC of Jasta 40. > 3) Last, but by NO means least, I'm going to redo a lovely DV black & white > striped bird thought to be from Jasta 2 (Boelcke), again using an Eduard > kit. I built this one (picture in AiP on p. 105, Vol. 1) in 1/72nd scale > with the old Revell kit. It came out beautifully. Then, one day, while > sitting on its shelf minding its own business, one of my trophy plaques fell > over and squashed it flat. Goodbye gear and one prop blade, although > unbelieveably, all of the wing struts and rigging (except one line) held. > It's been patched up, but will never fly again. So, I'll build it a big > brother.... Anyway, does anyone know who the pilot was? It has been ascribed to Hermann Vallendor in a couple of captions .. but they also say the pilot THOUGHT to be .... however check the profiles for the build .. I have another striped D.V flown by the OC of JAsta 17, von Seel. .. and this one we know who the pilot was. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:25:36 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kids and models Message-ID: <393C36F0.70244E6A@bellatlantic.net> The only difference between men and boys is the price and size of their models. ;^ P Shane Weier wrote: > Ray, > > Wonderfull story mate. > > > btw it was almost magical watching him go through the contents of > > the box in the car on the way home. Took me back I can tell you. > > How far? Haven't *you* ever leaped into your car and ripped off the > shrinkwrap to see what's inside - too impatient to wait until you get home? > I used to scrunch down in my seat doing this in case anyone saw what a dork > I was - until I looked out and saw the car park full of men my age looking > surreptitiously into their laps ! > > Maybe we're all just big kids in some ways........and i'm glad you seem to > be having so much fun with yours > > Shane > > > > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:25:54 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Kids and models Message-ID: <003201bfcf45$66768680$fd37183f@cyrixp166> David Z. Wrote: Yeah.... I've seen that too..... didnt know it had anything to do with modelling, though..... Dave Z (who lives in a town where the best model shop is situated right outside a sleazy strip joint....) Well Dave, truth be told, that strip joint looks like a good one! However, I will be strictly patronizing Aviation World and not its....neighbor. By the way: http://www.aviationworld.net/ These folks have a very high quality OT selection. Top dollar, but I have never seen a better assortment of WWI stuff before. I wonder if they validate parking.......Oh Gosh! Don't tell Allison!!! Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:40:52 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Roden Message-ID: <200006052340.QAA05821@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:22:15 -0400 (EDT), Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Whereas, Eduard, in its boxart for its 1/72 F.1 shows Voss' machine with > olive cowl! Has anybody heard when the Eduard Dr.I's/F.I are due? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:48:17 -0400 From: "Ed Schaller" To: Subject: RE: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions Message-ID: Jack, I've seen a few mentions of the Dilthey AC, although I can't give you references. The background for the wing crosses is generally thought to be the same green as the fuselage bands. As you point out, there is disagreement on what shade of green that is, though. I've seen everything espoused from bright green to the standard dark green used in upper wing camouflage. I'm planning to build the same AC in 1/72 for the "cook-up", which is an easy choice, since the decals are provided in the Pegasus kit. Like you, I plan to use the green which looks more attractive! Ed Schaller > 2) The second project, currently underway and about 1/2 done, again an > Eduard 1/48th scale, is a green and white striped Albatros DVa, flown in > Jasta 40. I only have the Aircraft in Profile reference, but > have seen the > Windsock color rendition, which shows the green bands as being very dark > compared to the AiP. Since AiP indicates that the colors were > confirmed by > the C.O. of the Jasta, I would tend to side with their view (which is much > prettier anyway :->), unless someone has compelling evidence to the > contrary? Also, a bit of confusion about the pilot - the Profile photo > caption (Vol. 1, p.101) indicates it was Lt. Helmuth Dilthey, with colors > confirmed by Lt. R. Karl Degelow, the C.O. of Jasta 40, but the color > profile (p.98) indicates that it was flown by Degelow himself. > Anyone have > the answer? > > Another color question - the wings were lozenge covered, with late style > crosses. However, the lozenge fabric is interrupted on the top wing (at > least) with a pale background behind the crosses, which is clearly NOT > white! I am guessing that these backgrounds are Albatros blue-green. I > HOPE noone can contradict me because I've already completed both > wings, but > inquiring minds have got to know... > > 3) Last, but by NO means least, I'm going to redo a lovely DV > black & white > striped bird thought to be from Jasta 2 (Boelcke), again using an Eduard > kit. I built this one (picture in AiP on p. 105, Vol. 1) in 1/72nd scale > with the old Revell kit. It came out beautifully. Then, one day, while > sitting on its shelf minding its own business, one of my trophy > plaques fell > over and squashed it flat. Goodbye gear and one prop blade, although > unbelieveably, all of the wing struts and rigging (except one line) held. > It's been patched up, but will never fly again. So, I'll build it a big > brother.... Anyway, does anyone know who the pilot was? > > So, there's my summer vacation or at least a good chunk of it... :-) > > Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 > diaphus@tampabay.rr.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:51:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Jacobsen's Albatros: Questions Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD2104@mimhexch.mim.com.au> David, > > Postcard: http://members.xoom.com/rdecdir/FJ_01.jpg This is a D.Va, no question. The rounded fuselage and the starboard aileron control lines visible above the fuselage together with the absence of an actuator fairing make it certain. Lower wing is loz, you can probably assume blue tapes by the lightness compared to the loz itself. Fuselage seems ex-factory as do wheels (notice paint peeling from aluminium wheel disk - a WW2 weathering problem on a WW1 aircraft) > Photograph: > http://209.235.66.44/WW1/Germans/Pilots/JPGS/Jacobsen_04.jpg This is a D.III, also no doubt. Flat fuselage sides and to some extent the rudder shape are the giveaways. Guessing that the fuselage is ex-factory, rudder is CDL and wheels have a worse case of paint flaking than on the D.Va But I expect you've already deduced all these things. I hope an extra set of eyes and opinions isn't a problem Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:51:52 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Roden Message-ID: >> Has anybody heard when the Eduard Dr.I's/F.I are due? If Eduard only knew... ;-) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:39:59 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kids, models and Aviation World Message-ID: <14.48218ab.266da25f@aol.com> Cyg the wanderer writes: << By the way: http://www.aviationworld.net/ These folks have a very high quality OT selection. Top dollar, but I have never seen a better assortment of WWI stuff before. >> Pretty good, yes.... but not five stars until they figure out a way to carry your products too. I go there at least once a month, and almost never seem to get out the door under $100, and I am nowhere near the customer that Brad is. They also seem to have a knack for getting new items very early, though they dont stick their necks out to buy enough right from the start - they sell out instantly. We are lucky to have at least one decent hobby shop in town. Dave Zulis Toronto, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:55:26 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Book question Message-ID: <393C4BFE.9400E2E6@wireweb.net> Hey, fella did you get back on yet? I have been looking for a note from Colorado and nothing has arrived on the net or flown past in a smallish Salmson. The guys over here are busy and have almost a finished Jenny "Canuck" which is being made north of here in Kerrvile by Vernoin Hatch. The shop in Marion is making two. A JN-3 and a JN-4. the -4 has the fuselage wiring in place and the -3 is still on the table and clamped down. The -4 is on "saw-horses" with some of the cockpit flooring and cross members in place. A lot more movable since the wires are tight. I bet you were surprised to get the roster with your name missing. Happens to me periodically and Allan has no idea why. It just happens. He has been working on that for almost a year and has no good ideas. It just happens. Let me know whats happening. Lee Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:08:05 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions Message-ID: <00c401bfcf53$accb40e0$22371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions > > > Jack Gartner wrote: > > > Also, a bit of confusion about the pilot - the Profile photo > > caption (Vol. 1, p.101) indicates it was Lt. Helmuth Dilthey, with colors > > confirmed by Lt. R. Karl Degelow, the C.O. of Jasta 40, but the color > > profile (p.98) indicates that it was flown by Degelow himself. Anyone have > > the answer? > > > > I've always seen Dilthey listed as the pilot. I think the Datafile has a > photo and lists him as the pilot. There is also a profile in the news Albatros > Aces book that shows him as the pilot.....which leads to your next question: > > > Another color question - the wings were lozenge covered, with late style > > crosses. However, the lozenge fabric is interrupted on the top wing (at > > least) with a pale background behind the crosses, which is clearly NOT > > white! I am guessing that these backgrounds are Albatros blue-green. I > > HOPE noone can contradict me because I've already completed both wings, but > > inquiring minds have got to know... > > The profile shows a cool GREEN background behind the crosses. Looks way cool > and in approx. the same shade as the green on the fuselage. > > hth > Mike Muth > Mike, Thanks for the info. I'll have to get the Albatros aces book - I'm not convinced that the cross field and the green fuselage bars are the same shade. The top looks distinctly light. I used Xtracolor German Underside Blue, which is actually a blue-green. I think it will do very nicely (it has to, I can't redo it now :-). But I think it's about right. Does the Aces book show the green to be the brighter green like the Aircraft in Profile? Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:10:00 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Roden!!! Message-ID: <00cd01bfcf53$f0a8e920$22371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Schofield To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Roden!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack Gartner > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: Roden!!! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Matt Bittner > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:43 AM > > Subject: Roden!!! > > > > > > > I'm looking at the Jadar site now (http://www.jadar.com.pl) and guess > > > what. They list new Roden releases!!! Fokker E.V/D.VIII; D.VI; Dr.I; > > > and F.I. In addition, those waiting on the off topic He-111, that's > > > listed too. > > > > > > Let's hope Roden improves on Toko, i.e. struts that fit, no more bogus > > > fabric weave, etc. > > > > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > > > > I'm guessing Roden is the reborn Toko? If so, are they still planning the > > 1/72nd scale Gotha releases, does anyone know? > > > > Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 > > diaphus@tampabay.rr.com > > > SAMI reports the above kits as year 2000 releases AND the Gotha. Kit > database already amended, coz I'm such an optimist, you know. > Scho > http://www.ww1.org.uk > > Cool - can't wait for some Gotha's although it sounds like Eric Hight's 1/48th scale GIII might make it to market first? I'm looking forward to it. Fighters are OK, but I love the big lumbering beasties. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:17:24 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions Message-ID: <393C5124.9ECB989A@ptdprolog.net> Jack Gartner wrote: > -Thanks for the info. I'll have to get the Albatros aces book - I'm not > convinced that the cross field and the green fuselage bars are the same > shade. The top looks distinctly light. I used Xtracolor German Underside > Blue, which is actually a blue-green. I think it will do very nicely (it > has to, I can't redo it now :-). But I think it's about right. > > Does the Aces book show the green to be the brighter green like the Aircraft > in Profile? While this is a realitive answer, seems pretty bright to me!Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:30:49 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions Message-ID: <00db01bfcf56$db617e80$22371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions > In a message dated 6/5/00 5:14:33 PM EST, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > << > 1) I've sent Ray Boorman images of one completed project, the black and > white banded Albatros D-III flown by Lt. Weaver of Jasta 26 (aircraft in > Profile, Vol.6, p.87), using the Eduard 1/48th non-Profipack (I call them > "Eduard Light" kits) kit straight OOB except for adding cooling lines (does > anyone know why Eduard has left those out of every Albatros kit - a glaring > omission). > >> > > Hopefully this isn't the one based on the Italian front with the black/white > chevrons over fuselage and upper surfaces of wings and tail? That's the one > I am doing (a *lot* of masking). No one has been able to identify the pilot, > the picture can be seen in the old Air Enthusiast Quarterly No. 1, in the > article "Agile and agressive Albatros." > > TC > Tom, No, it doesn't sound like it. This one has a series of 4 large black and white bands around the fuselage and tail - green and mauve uppers, blue lowers and a HUGE stylized number 1 along the port lower wing. Flown (rather haphazardly it would seem) by Lt. Weaver of Jasta 26. Two nice pics on p. 87 of the Aircraft in Profile. It seems Lt. Weaver was not the best pilot at landing or taking off. The pics are of a nice headstand on the field with the starboard wing in the dirt. What is really amusing is that the PORT upper wing shows fabric replacement from the same event sometime earlier! :-) If you MUST see a pic before Ray posts, click on the following http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfl/aircraft/sld010.htm It did require some careful masking, but nothing like the Fokker Dr. I that I did of Hans Kirchsteins Jasta 6 "Optical Illusion" (front cover of "The Fokker Triplane" by Alex Imrie). Now that was masking! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jun 2000 18:29:52 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kids and models Message-ID: <20000606012952.15323.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sun, 04 June 2000, "Ray Boorman" wrote: > > I saw Matts question the other day, thought about replying but left doing so since everyone was saying what I would have. Whilst my son Ryan who is 8 has been playing with helping Dad since he was 5 he really wasn't that enthused. He can build single engined wwII aircraft "oob" when he wishes. Well with a bit of help. He even has a model in SWMBO's china cabinet. Mine are banned btw. > Anyway I wasn't pushing him to build, and the quiet time when he was watching me build was great. You have to figure 99% of the time most kids are doing something usually very noisily btw so the 20-30 mins he would spend quietly watching me build was quite neat. Lots of questions some that made you see the intellect behind the child if you know what I mean. But he really didn't want to build models. That was fine with me btw. > Yesterday, I was at one of the local plastic pushers. This one is in a mall. Ryan endures these trips since he knows darn well we'll go to Mickey Dees or somewhere else kids love to go afterwards. Set up outside the store were some tables with some kids and not so kids with a wargame in progress. Now Ryan loves little Airfix 1/76 soldiers. He'll play for hours with them with all the normal war noises emanating from him. So as soon as he saw the wargames he wasn't going in the store he was rooted to the spot watching the people play and looking at their soldiers. Anyway we agreed he could watch whilst I looked in the hobby store as long as he only talked to the people at the table and went nowhere else. (Darn shame you have to be so paranoid with kids now btw) > So In I go doing my normal browse through the books and stuff. Next thing I know Ryan is up at the counter asking the shop assistant how much various things were. I stayed in the background and watched. He wanted to buy a "Warhammer 40,000 set of space marines" or some such. (The characters he had seen outside on the wargame table). The assistant was telling him all about them but saying well you really should buy the pre-made ones. At which point Ryan asked are they the ones on the tables outside. She said no you have to build and paint them, they might be bit difficult for you. Of course Ryan pipes up I can build models, and my dad can help me. of course then he found out about the price. At which point I saw his shoulders almost droop. So I stepped up did the "what extra chores are you going to do if I help you buy them" routine. Anyway to cut a very long story short we have both been assembling the Eldar Space Marine Detachment, with all their weapons btw. I have never seen Ryan so animated over anything not even his lego. Tonight he even tried the airbrush to prime the ones we had built. (I erm helped) > So end result if your son or daughter doesn't appear interested in models it might just be the type of model we build is not what they want to build. btw it was almost magical watching him go through the contents of the box in the car on the way home. Took me back I can tell you. > Btw to make this OT the Warhammer series have what I swear is a British wwi tank equipped with lasers. Its called the Dreadnought of some such. > > Ray Ray Nice letter My experince with kids and models are very similar to yours - I have three boys 10, 8, and 5, and unfortunately they don't seem to have much interest in building scale models (well - I'm not sure about the youngest). I have to admit I'm a little dissapointed, but I honestly don't think I've been pushy or overbearing about it. Kids can be frighteningly perceptive so you have to be careful. Mostly they just like to hang around, watch me work, and set up hundreds of airfix army men and Warhammer figures on the MR layout. We build kits together from time to time, although I think they do it just to make me happy. They like sci-fi stuff the most, some dinosaurs, a couple of boats. But they won't touch an airplane OT or otherwise. I'm not sure, but I think they may be put off by the shelves of meticulously assembled and painted airplane that I've done (sigh). Alex (the oldest) is into warhammer and D&D. We,ve painted at least 75 figures of one sort or another, which is gratifying. I understand your son's dismay at learning how much they cost, I almost had a heart attack. Jack (the 8 yr old ) is in cub scouts. And we have had a lot of fun with the pinewood derby. He's very proud of all the cars we built together. More proud, I think, of the trophys, He's one competitive kid. Henry (the youngest) is happy doing just about anything but shows a particular fondness for bugging his older brothers. OK - sorry if I bored anybody talking about my kids. What I have to be most careful about is trying to "improve" their models - you don't have to fill the seams or file down all the flash or even paint it - you do have to finish it - quickly. But that's OK, any model, any creative hobby at all, is better than the damned Nintendo. btw - I,ve never mangaged to get a kit home with the shrink wrap still on. Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:39:08 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions Message-ID: <00ea01bfcf58$05f3d200$22371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: Re: My Contributions to Albatros Project & Questions > > > > 2) The second project, currently underway and about 1/2 done, again an > > Eduard 1/48th scale, is a green and white striped Albatros DVa, flown in > > Jasta 40. I only have the Aircraft in Profile reference, but have seen the > > Windsock color rendition, which shows the green bands as being very dark > > compared to the AiP. Since AiP indicates that the colors were confirmed by > > the C.O. of the Jasta, I would tend to side with their view (which is much > > prettier anyway :->), unless someone has compelling evidence to the > > contrary? Also, a bit of confusion about the pilot - the Profile photo > > caption (Vol. 1, p.101) indicates it was Lt. Helmuth Dilthey, with colors > > confirmed by Lt. R. Karl Degelow, the C.O. of Jasta 40, but the color > > profile (p.98) indicates that it was flown by Degelow himself. Anyone have > > the answer? > > IIRC Dilthey was KIA in this very aorcraft while he was OC of Jasta 40. > > > 3) Last, but by NO means least, I'm going to redo a lovely DV black & white > > striped bird thought to be from Jasta 2 (Boelcke), again using an Eduard > > kit. I built this one (picture in AiP on p. 105, Vol. 1) in 1/72nd scale > > with the old Revell kit. It came out beautifully. Then, one day, while > > sitting on its shelf minding its own business, one of my trophy plaques fell > > over and squashed it flat. Goodbye gear and one prop blade, although > > unbelieveably, all of the wing struts and rigging (except one line) held. > > It's been patched up, but will never fly again. So, I'll build it a big > > brother.... Anyway, does anyone know who the pilot was? > > It has been ascribed to Hermann Vallendor in a couple of captions .. but > they also say the pilot THOUGHT to be .... however check the profiles for > the build .. I have another striped D.V flown by the OC of JAsta 17, von > Seel. .. and this one we know who the pilot was. > > Bob > Bob, The one I'm talking about is very similar to Von Seel's machine. However, the spinner and nose are black back to about the second engine cylinder, there are no crosses on the fuselage, and the tail empennage is white. The Aircraft in Profile color view also shows two small blue diamonds on either side of the fuselage that overlay the last black bar. I don;'t know about these - I can't maske them out in the picture that I have, and the color profile has an inaccurate number of bars if you compare to the picture. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2389 **********************