WWI Digest 2387 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pfalz questions by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: saving tips from WWI list by "Paul G." 3) Re: Greetings from Minnesota by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Re: stumbled across the finish line! by Otisgood@aol.com 5) Re: Question: Best D.H.9 in 1/72? by David Fleming 6) scratch built Dirigibl by Peter Crow 7) Pilots for 1/72 scale planes wanted by "wbailey719" 8) Re: Question: Best D.H.9 in 1/72? by Steve Cox 9) RE: Greetings from Minnesota by Shane Weier 10) Re: scratch built Dirigibl by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Re: scratch built Dirigibl by Peter Crow 12) Re: Any comments on the HiTech Roland D.II or Blue Rider Escadrille decals by bucky@ptdprolog.net 13) Re: Pilots for 1/72 scale planes wanted by bucky@ptdprolog.net 14) Albatros undersides by bucky@ptdprolog.net 15) Finished! by smperry@mindspring.com 16) Spill Beans, Please, was, Re: Spad Bracing by skarver@banet.net 17) Thinking E.III Browwn by skarver@banet.net 18) Re: Thinking E.III Browwn by "DAVID BURKE" 19) RE: Thinking E.III Browwn by Shane Weier 20) Next up by smperry@mindspring.com 21) Re: Next up by Otisgood@aol.com 22) Re: Next up by "Richard Eaton" 23) Re: Thinking E.III Browwn by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Nice one Otis by JVT7532@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:43:32 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz questions Message-ID: <15.4ad0310.266be134@aol.com> In a message dated 6/4/00 7:43:00 AM EST, Otisgood@aol.com writes: << I admit Holtzem's is not original, but I promise to do one with lozenge wings as soon as I can. >> Hey! Flat out, Holtzem's is probably the most "elegant" markings a Pfalz can carry!! Cheers, TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:50:29 -0400 From: "Paul G." To: Subject: Re: saving tips from WWI list Message-ID: <009301bfce44$fe620d40$88dd9bce@oemcomputer> Jon wrote: "You could do as I do to save tips, just cut and paste or copy and paste them into WordPad or Notepad, name the file and save it, then you can add to it whenever a tip that fits the title comes along. " Jon, Excellent idea, thanks! Paul G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:05:25 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Greetings from Minnesota Message-ID: <33.5fb5538.266be655@aol.com> In a message dated 6/3/00 11:48:04 PM EST, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I still cruise the RMS because there are some genuinely good people over there who do not heistate to help if asked, e.g. Charlie Metz. But sadly, there are also a LOT of wieners who create trouble just because they can. >> Check out HyperScale if you haven't, folks. The ever-so-informative Charlie Metz posts there, as does the ever-Bittner Matt and Yrs Trly. The wieners usually get served with sauerkraut. :-) http://www.hyperscale.com Mostly ot in topic, but they have no problem with OT coming up in discussion. Not only that, but there are some really inspirational models get submitted, particularly the work of Ian Richardson of late. TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:37:46 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: stumbled across the finish line! Message-ID: <9b.5da26f8.266bedea@aol.com> In a message dated 6/4/00 11:40:39 AM Central Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > I can't think of a List Member more in need of one, DB! Contact Lubos for it > > - it will definitely keep you off the streets and out of trouble for the > rest > of the summer, which we know in your case will be a result avidly desired by > > the citizenry. :-) > Hey, I've met this guy in person. You're right about that! :-):-) Just kidding. He's OK for someone from Alabama.:-) Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 20:20:44 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Question: Best D.H.9 in 1/72? Message-ID: <393AAC0C.63A1EFBD@dial.pipex.com> Jim Matthiessen wrote: > > > 1. Dako 1/72 12005 Polikarpov R-1 > 2. Maquette 1/72 De Havilland DH-9A > 3. Maquette 1/72 De Havilland DH-9A w/eched parts > 4. MSP 1/72 Polikarpov R-1 (as advertised by Squadron Mail Order) > They are all the same mould, which SFTB is an R-1. Main difference is around the engine compartment (e.g.louvres & things). Maquettes were supposed to be rereleasing the DH9A (Note not DH9, which had a different wing & engine) with resin updates to do the correct DH9A engine, but don't know if it ever appeared. According to John Adams of Aeroclub, this kit has an interesting heritage, as apparently the wings are from (Or are a copy of ) the Frog Westland Wallace( PV-3/6?), the Wallace being a derivative of the Wapiti, which in turn was a new fuselage on DH9A wings. Where's that Datafile (Special) Mr Rimmell ? :¬) David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: scratch built Dirigibl Message-ID: <20000604200322.8727.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> I saw these pics today in alt binaries scale.. has to be one of the more inpressive WWI pieces I've seen.. photoes were taken at the Torcan show (don't have a clue where that was, but believe Canada) by Andrew Irvine. was so taken by this I decided to throw it in an album for a day for the rest to see.. hopefully since I'm giving credit to all involved, I'm not stepping on any toes.. again only up for a day, but you have to take a look.. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=374489&a=6647118 Enjoy P.Crow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:09:20 -0600 From: "wbailey719" To: Subject: Pilots for 1/72 scale planes wanted Message-ID: <001601bfce69$46719500$52a0b8cd@spitfire> Hi Everyone, Do any of you have any unwanted pilot figures for 1/72 scale aircraft? While I am primarily seeking WWI pilots, I also need some for their ot decendants (all periods). So please, if you would care to trade or sell some, contacy me off list at: wbailey719@msn.com. I have some OT and ot 'Aircraft in Profile' for trade and some 1/48 scale Fok Dr1's and Spad for trade as well if you have some of the more unusual 1/72 scale WWI through 1930's kits you may longer be interested in building. A 'Good Modeling Weekend' Wish to a All List Members, Bill Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:28:26 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Question: Best D.H.9 in 1/72? Message-ID: I have the Maquette DH-9a without etch - still in the box. Against the Harleyford Bombers book the wing outline is reasonable but the tail, rudder and fin are poor. Michael has dealt with other aspects of quality. My decals are by 'Fli-Hi', options for 6 aircraft, including F1626 which was captured and used as the prototype for the Polikarpov R-1 Roundel proportions are 1,3,5. The blue is pale with a green bias, almost turquoise. As Michael says, it needs a lot of work Regards Steve nb Rigging the Kitten ailerons =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Michael Kendix" > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:09:34 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Question: Best D.H.9 in 1/72? > >> From: Jim Matthiessen >> Anyone have hands-on experience with these kits? >> >> 1. Dako 1/72 12005 Polikarpov R-1 >> 2. Maquette 1/72 De Havilland DH-9A >> 3. Maquette 1/72 De Havilland DH-9A w/eched parts >> 4. MSP 1/72 Polikarpov R-1 (as advertised by Squadron Mail Order) >> > > Jim: > > I have the Maquette DH-9a w/etched parts. Here goes... > > I cannot speak to accuracy since I have very few pictures and no drawings > but it looks like a DH-9a. There are 32 plastic parts; they are somewgat > lacking in fine detail but not too much falsh. The wings' upper surface > ribs are way too prominent and the underside's are bald. The latter is easy > enough to deal with but the tops will have to be sanded carefully. The > photoetch looks OK on the fret but I cannot say whether it will look OK when > you use it. The decals are not too good. The blue is pale/powder blue - > mine are new so it's not that they've faded, and the red disc in the centre > of the roundel is too small in diameter. Upon looking at it again, I think > that once the ribs are sanded down to more realistic proportions, and the > roundels replaced, it's not too bad. > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:11:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Greetings from Minnesota Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD20EA@mimhexch.mim.com.au> SP, > > Hmm, bald dudes and WWI scale modeling? Any connection to hair loss > > (pulling it out for rigging, because of rigging, etc.)? :-) > > > I dono. Shane, You have any theories? > Nope. Hair either. Shane (FAT, bald dude) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:54:39 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: scratch built Dirigibl Message-ID: <3b.5bbba77.266c2a1f@aol.com> In a message dated 6/4/00 3:06:05 PM EST, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << I saw these pics today in alt binaries scale.. has to be one of the more inpressive WWI pieces I've seen.. >> Gad! What scale is this thing?? Definitely impressive. However, it's a Type B (Limp) - which is where the term "blimp" came from. *Not* a dirigible, which has a structure inside and doesn't keep its shape due to gas pressure. TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: scratch built Dirigibl Message-ID: <20000604222342.19952.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> --- Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/4/00 3:06:05 PM EST, > eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: > > << I saw these pics today in alt binaries scale.. > has > to be one of the more inpressive WWI pieces I've > seen.. >> > > Gad! What scale is this thing?? Definitely > impressive. I think 1/72... as for the info, I was just cutting and pasting what was posted from the newsgroup.. your right about the blimp.. Would love to see this up close ... Peter > > However, it's a Type B (Limp) - which is where the > term "blimp" came from. > *Not* a dirigible, which has a structure inside and > doesn't keep its shape > due to gas pressure. > > TC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:57:12 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Any comments on the HiTech Roland D.II or Blue Rider Escadrille decals Message-ID: <393ADEC8.5C8A9DAC@ptdprolog.net> Matthew Bittner wrote: > Really! Cripes, after all these years that BR and I were working on > those Escadrille sheets, and I don't hear it from them, but instead > from the list? Stronger words are starting to form... > > I just needed to rant and rave somewhere. Grrr... Matt I think this is just the re-issue of their old sheet....just like they did with the Italian markings. The French has some good roundels and a few nice squadron insignias. The overall selection was better, imho, on the Italian sheet. For those interested in French Nieuport/SPAD markings, however, it is a sheet worth getting. Mike Muth nb: Bavarian tail ALbatros D-III Jasta 5 & Jacobs Triplane (1st DML kit O've ever tried...pretty nice.) nu: Off topic plane for a friend cs(coming soon): Me to Holland....end of July for 2 weeks with a stop over in England. Major investment in film coming up! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:25:14 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pilots for 1/72 scale planes wanted Message-ID: <393AE55A.B54E1EAD@ptdprolog.net> Bill Contact me off list. I've been saving pilot figures for a few years and can send them to you. Mike Muth wbailey719 wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Do any of you have any unwanted pilot figures for 1/72 scale > aircraft? While I am primarily seeking WWI pilots, I also need some for > their ot decendants (all periods). So please, if you would care to trade or > sell some, contacy me off list at: wbailey719@msn.com. > I have some OT and ot 'Aircraft in Profile' for trade and some > 1/48 scale Fok Dr1's and Spad for trade as well if you have some of the more > unusual 1/72 scale WWI through 1930's kits you may longer be interested in > building. > > A 'Good Modeling Weekend' Wish to a All List Members, > Bill Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:27:13 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Albatros undersides Message-ID: <393AE5D0.41E7A5B@ptdprolog.net> Charlie Thanks for the info. I went to look at paints and decided that I'd use Russian Topside Blue. Seemed blue enough and more toward the dark color I have in my head! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:58:24 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Finished! Message-ID: <003401bfce80$c5cac800$d80156d1@default> I have finally finished the big Revell Spad I began back in February or before. It is done as my interpertation of Luke's 26. I used CSM details and decals and a Martin Dygmayer prop. The project was a challenge at times and proves that Luke's rebellious attitute lives on in Revell's big kit. Outside of the mandatory touchups and tweaks. this one is done. I must now finish the article for Bob. sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:58:08 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Spill Beans, Please, was, Re: Spad Bracing Message-ID: <393AED10.BA878369@banet.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > Colour drawings? Gee the only ones I know of are my own. .. oops. .. did I > say that. ... and previously asked about bean spilling. Follow Chris' advice, not Matt's, and let us know about treat, please. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 20:23:18 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thinking E.III Browwn Message-ID: <393AF2F6.78C919D1@banet.net> Hello, List-- On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:13:28 -0400 (EDT), Shane roundly chastised with Stef says: > Earlier, Shane suggested 'yellow CDL.' Other than the DF > profiles of Rimell, > what combination of fabric and finish would give this result. > Can anyone > provide evidence for period practice that would/could account > for deep yellow > fabric and period photos replicating the appearance of > Fokker's Eindeckers? I > think the 'Yellow Hypothesis' is a stretch. My oath it's a stretch. But then, I never said that at all. What I said was.... >>What about a yellowish CDL? A thousand apologies, Shane, for the loss of your 'ish'. I had thought you were defending the RCYH (the Rimmel Chrome Yellow Hypothesis). Shane continued with: >On ortho film yellow reproduces darker.... ...in a context where we were discussing an aircraft which photographed darker than expected. "Yellowish" is a very different animal from "yellow", Darker perhaps, but an 'ish' CDL even on ortho film would, I believe, be rendered only somewhat darker than we have come to expect from panchro emulsions, and not as dark as in almost all the E.III photos with which I am familiar. To get that dark the originals would have to be the deep, nearly chrome, yellow that Rimmel uses on the 2 CDL machines on the rear cover of the DF to account for the photographic evidence. The Problem: Fokker Eindeckers Photograph Darker Than Other CDL Aircraft 1. Every photo of German (as distinct from A-H) machines but two (pages 20, top, and 22 bottom) in the DF that is properly exposed for the fabric surfaces renders them as a light mid- to dark mid-gray. I say properly exposed because the two photos of captured 196/16 have obviously been exposed to show detail in the shadowed cockpit, resulting in entirely 'white' fabric surfaces. There is at least one overhead view of this machine in a contemporary Flight magazine (not to hand and not reproduced in the DF) that provides a much better rendering of gray surfaces. I believe this same machine is shown in Photo H07984 [IMPERIAL WAR MUSEUM, LONDON. CENTRAL HALL. CAPTURED FOKKER MONOPLANE AND OTHER GERMAN EXHIBITS. (BRITISH OFFICIAL PHOTO BB20)] accessible at the Australian War Memorial Photograph Database site. A photograph of Althaus' E.III showing the 'problem' very clearly--and also not reproduced in the DF--can be found at: http://www.pigstompers.com/WW1/Germans/Pilots/JPGS/Althaus_02.jpg 2. That this represents something of a modeling/reconstruction problem is quickly appreciated on comparing these photos with others of aircraft known to be finished in *clear*-doped linen, whether the comparison is made with the contemporary products of the Morane Saulnier monoplanes (or the Pfalz licensed version) that served as the inspiration for the Fokkers or somewhat less immaculately finished abstractions in black and white perhaps such as the Albatros two-seater at: .http://www.geocities.com/aerodromeaces/images/albC1crash4_E.jpg 3. The 'ish' hypothesis that normal variation in manufacturing tolerances, or local usage, with respect to fabric and finish coating results in a yellowed appearance that is rendered dark on orthochromatic film is untenable precisely because of the overwhelming preponderance of 'dark' Eindecker photos since, in contrast, the percentage of photos of 'dark' Albatros scouts is relatively low and most varnished wood fuselages are rendered 'correctly.' That is, it is clear that non-ortho type films were available, and therefor, unless a reason can be shown why Fokkers happened to be photographed almost universally with ortho types, the dark color has to be accepted as something other than a photographic artifact. An alternative "crud" hypothesis has been advanced, namely, that the general dirt, muck, mire of unprepared fields, oil blow-back of these rotary-powered craft, and so forth were so severe as to darken Eindecker fabric surfaces. Of course, the crud hypothesis cannot account for the uniformity of finish that is observed or why Fokkers were uniquely susceptible to it, whereas their near-cousins--the Moranes and Pfalz--were not. However, the Fokker 'portrait' of 104/15 on page 2 of the DF shows incontestably that E.IIIs left the factory floor with the dark finish, whatever it was, and makes any further consideration of the crud hypothesis unnecessary. [It is interesting that 104/15 is photographed against a fabric backdrop. If it can be assumed that this fabric is the very linen used for covering, then it is clear that it is not the linen itself but the applied coating that imparts a very significant color shift in the finished fabric surfaces.} 4. By way of a tentative conclusion, I would suggest that Eindecker finishes represent Fokker's initial experiment in 'one-coat' camouflage application that culminated in their signature Dr. 1 streaky finish. What precise color this was cannot now be determined, as far as I know, but my own hypothesis would be to place it somewhere along the tan-khaki-olive spectrum, where the caramel tone of the original Halberstadt in the Berlin Technical Museum represents the mid-point. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:55:36 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Thinking E.III Browwn Message-ID: <003b01bfce91$3432fdc0$6f85aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: skarver@banet.net To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, June 04, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Thinking E.III Browwn >Hello, List-- > >On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:13:28 -0400 (EDT), Shane roundly chastised with > >Stef says: >> Earlier, Shane suggested 'yellow CDL.' Other than the DF >> profiles of Rimell, >> what combination of fabric and finish would give this result. >> Can anyone >> provide evidence for period practice that would/could account >> for deep yellow >> fabric and period photos replicating the appearance of >> Fokker's Eindeckers? I >> think the 'Yellow Hypothesis' is a stretch. > >My oath it's a stretch. But then, I never said that at all. What I said > >was.... > >>>What about a yellowish CDL? > >A thousand apologies, Shane, for the loss of your 'ish'. >I had thought you were defending the RCYH (the Rimmel Chrome Yellow >Hypothesis). > >Shane continued with: > >>On ortho film yellow reproduces darker.... >..in a context where we were discussing an aircraft which photographed >darker than expected. "Yellowish" is a very different animal from >"yellow", > >Darker perhaps, but an 'ish' CDL even on ortho film would, I believe, be >rendered only somewhat >darker than we have come to expect from panchro emulsions, and not as >dark as in almost all >the E.III photos with which I am familiar. To get that dark the >originals would have to be the deep, >nearly chrome, yellow that Rimmel uses on the 2 CDL machines on the rear >cover of the DF to >account for the photographic evidence. > >The Problem: Fokker Eindeckers Photograph Darker Than Other CDL Aircraft > >1. Every photo of German (as distinct from A-H) machines but two (pages >20, top, and 22 >bottom) in the DF that is properly exposed for the fabric surfaces >renders them as a light mid- to >dark mid-gray. I say properly exposed because the two photos of >captured 196/16 have >obviously been exposed to show detail in the shadowed cockpit, resulting >in entirely 'white' >fabric surfaces. There is at least one overhead view of this machine in >a contemporary Flight >magazine (not to hand and not reproduced in the DF) that provides a much >better rendering of >gray surfaces. I believe this same machine is shown in Photo H07984 >[IMPERIAL WAR >MUSEUM, LONDON. CENTRAL HALL. CAPTURED FOKKER MONOPLANE AND OTHER >GERMAN EXHIBITS. (BRITISH OFFICIAL PHOTO BB20)] accessible at the >Australian War >Memorial Photograph Database site. >A photograph of Althaus' E.III showing the 'problem' very clearly--and >also not reproduced in the >DF--can be found at: >http://www.pigstompers.com/WW1/Germans/Pilots/JPGS/Althaus_02.jpg > >2. That this represents something of a modeling/reconstruction problem >is quickly appreciated >on comparing these photos with others of aircraft known to be finished >in *clear*-doped linen, >whether the comparison is made with the contemporary products of the >Morane Saulnier >monoplanes (or the Pfalz licensed version) that served as the >inspiration for the Fokkers or >somewhat less immaculately finished abstractions in black and white >perhaps such as the >Albatros two-seater at: >.http://www.geocities.com/aerodromeaces/images/albC1crash4_E.jpg > >3. The 'ish' hypothesis that normal variation in manufacturing >tolerances, or local usage, with >respect to fabric and finish coating results in a yellowed appearance >that is rendered dark on >orthochromatic film is untenable precisely because of the overwhelming >preponderance of 'dark' >Eindecker photos since, in contrast, the percentage of photos of 'dark' >Albatros scouts is >relatively low and most varnished wood fuselages are rendered >'correctly.' That is, it is clear that >non-ortho type films were available, and therefor, unless a reason can >be shown why Fokkers >happened to be photographed almost universally with ortho types, the >dark color has to be >accepted as something other than a photographic artifact. >An alternative "crud" hypothesis has been advanced, namely, that the >general dirt, muck, mire of >unprepared fields, oil blow-back of these rotary-powered craft, and so >forth were so severe as to >darken Eindecker fabric surfaces. Of course, the crud hypothesis cannot >account for the >uniformity of finish that is observed or why Fokkers were uniquely >susceptible to it, whereas their >near-cousins--the Moranes and Pfalz--were not. >However, the Fokker 'portrait' of 104/15 on page 2 of the DF shows >incontestably that E.IIIs left >the factory floor with the dark finish, whatever it was, and makes any >further consideration of the >crud hypothesis unnecessary. > >[It is interesting that 104/15 is photographed against a fabric >backdrop. If it can be assumed >that this fabric is the very linen used for covering, then it is clear >that it is not the linen itself but >the applied coating that imparts a very significant color shift in the >finished fabric surfaces.} > >4. By way of a tentative conclusion, I would suggest that Eindecker >finishes represent Fokker's >initial experiment in 'one-coat' camouflage application that culminated >in their signature Dr. 1 >streaky finish. What precise color this was cannot now be determined, >as far as I know, but my >own hypothesis would be to place it somewhere along the tan-khaki-olive >spectrum, where the >caramel tone of the original Halberstadt in the Berlin Technical Museum >represents the >mid-point. >Regards, >Stef > > O.K. Y'all, When Allan posts my E.III pics, please tell me how wrong my colors are... Please? DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:14:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Thinking E.III Browwn Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD20F3@mimhexch.mim.com.au> DB, > When Allan posts my E.III pics, please tell me how wrong my colors > are... Hell Dave, I only suggested yellowish CDL in the first place because you were agonising over two possibilities and I figured that three would be even more fun ;-) When you're done I'll look and say something along the lines of "Nice colour, but the widget looks a little misaligned" Have fun in France you swine Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:42:31 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Next up Message-ID: <000d01bfce97$b3175ea0$c30956d1@default> I believe that I will begin my 1/72 entry for the Albatros build. This is the Renwal AeroSkin Albatros D.V kit. I'll build it pretty much OOB and confine any detailing to the engine & cockpit areas. It will be more of a plastic modeling history curiosity rather than a scale model of an Albatros. I scanned the kit the other day and I'll put those images up shortly. sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:56:16 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Next up Message-ID: In a message dated 6/4/00 9:43:09 PM Central Daylight Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: > I believe that I will begin my 1/72 entry for the Albatros build. This is > the Renwal AeroSkin Albatros D.V kit. > > I'll build it pretty much OOB and confine any detailing to the engine & > cockpit areas. It will be more of a plastic modeling history curiosity > rather than a scale model of an Albatros. > > I scanned the kit the other day and I'll put those images up shortly. > That should be fun to see. I remember buying a bunch of Renwals as a kid and doing 2 or 3 in one day. You can imagine how they looked, but I just wanted to hurry up and play with them. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:59:37 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: Next up Message-ID: <003f01bfce9a$17782b20$04441c18@austin.rr.com> Nice idea Steve, I think most of us remember the Renwal days. Kindof like remembering hair on our heads.;-) Regards, Richard Another balding listee....... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 9:45 PM Subject: Next up > I believe that I will begin my 1/72 entry for the Albatros build. This is > the Renwal AeroSkin Albatros D.V kit. > > I'll build it pretty much OOB and confine any detailing to the engine & > cockpit areas. It will be more of a plastic modeling history curiosity > rather than a scale model of an Albatros. > > I scanned the kit the other day and I'll put those images up shortly. > > sp > E-mail smperry@mindspring.com > Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:50:26 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Thinking E.III Browwn Message-ID: <006301bfce9d$d3102060$4e93aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- >Have fun in France you swine > >Shane Oink oink, Mate! DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:49:51 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nice one Otis Message-ID: <4e.66fe78a.266c7d5f@aol.com> Well Otis, a very nice job on the Pfalz, hell in fact it's a real Good'in. I like the weathering, it really adds something to the Silbergrau, this is the color I want to do my DDr.1 when it hits the bench in the fall. I still want to do an easy vacuform kit before I do this one and screw up the wings. Keep'em come'in, I enjoy them all. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2387 **********************