WWI Digest 2378 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) New images by "Matt Bittner" 2) Re: IPMS/USA Nationals by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 3) Re: Question by Mark Miller 4) Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions by Otisgood@aol.com 5) Re: Question by John Huggins 6) Toko and acrylics question by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: Question by "Ray Boorman" 8) Re: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker by "laskodi" 9) Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions by "laskodi" 10) Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 11) Real images for the "cook-up" by "Matt Bittner" 12) Re: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker by "Lance Krieg" 13) RE: Aerolub by "Harris, Mack" 14) Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions by Otisgood@aol.com 15) Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions by "laskodi" 16) Good kits list? by JVT7532@aol.com 17) Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions by "Jack Gartner" 18) Response to Introduction by "Jack Gartner" 19) Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 20) Re: Response to Introduction by smperry@mindspring.com 21) Re: Good kits list? by "laskodi" 22) Re: Interesting Albeit Disturbing Article About eBay by Zulis@aol.com 23) Re: New images by Albatrosdv@aol.com 24) Re: Kids and modeling by REwing@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 08:11:06 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New images Message-ID: <200006021312.JAA26775@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I just uploaded some "new" images by Tom Cleaver. Well done! Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:08:48 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: IPMS/USA Nationals Message-ID: Howdy! >This is indeed the time to be making reservations. I've heard the block >of rooms at the hotel has either been filled or is filling up. In >either case the IPMS/NCT chapter is trying to negotiate for more rooms. Only yesterday I discussed this with a friend of mine. Apparently there were no rooms available when he called the 800 number. He was able to make a reservation when he called the hotel directly though. If you are going you might want to make that reservation real soon. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jun 2000 06:22:25 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: <20000602132225.7178.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Fri, 02 June 2000, "Dale Beamish" wrote: > Should've mentioned Has To Be waterproof! > Dale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Pearson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: 02 June, 2000 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: Question > > > > Try it on your printer and let us know > > > > Bob > > > > ---------- > > >From: "Dale Beamish" > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > >Subject: Question > > >Date: Fri, 2 Jun, 2000, 5:35 AM > > > > > > > > I'm looking for a process that would enable me to reproduce images on > > > contact paper. The same paper that you use to line kitchen shelves etc? > The > > > kind with the removable backing. Can this be done by a printer? Any > other > > > processes come to mind? I'm not letting the secret out of the bag as yet > but > > > the images will be very small with exact detail. > > > Any help would sure be appreciated. > > > Dale Dale we have a docu 12 at work. I think it could handle the thickness - but 'm not sure if the ink would adhere to that shiny surface - the guy down in the print shop thinks it might work. In any case look to see if you have a bypass tray - if so run your material through it - less chance of jamming and if none of that works you could always run it on normal paper, use sticky back (we use Color-VU TwinTak - trust me - once put on it will never come off) and then use some kind of sealer. good luck Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:28:59 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions Message-ID: <9.63ac10d.2669109b@aol.com> And what are your choices for purple/mauve? Otis In a message dated Fri, 2 Jun 2000 1:51:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "laskodi" writes: << My choices of colors to match the top wing camo of Albies changes about as often as I change my underwear! That is on a daily basis! These are my current favorites on 6/1/00 at 10:47 PM! Haven't changed my underwear yet, soooooooo................ Dark green = Xtracolor German WWI Topside Green X241 Light green = Gunze Sangyo RLM82 Light Green H422 Rust/brown = Humbrol German Red/Brown #160 HTH and YMMV! ----Bob PS New underwear tomorrow! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: Wierd aircraft, and other questions > In a message dated 5/31/2000 11:57:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > > << It's not exactly ugly, but it is definitely in the front of the pack for > running and winning the "Wierdest Airplane" award: the SPAD A.2 >> > > Hey Tom, I will want to hear all about this kit from you as I'm waiting for > it to arrive from Vamp soon. > On to another subject I noticed in the Av-Usk spring update that they > had two aircraft listed that sounded very interesting. Under CS & HP Resin > in 1/72 (Matt) scale, they have a Breguet M.5 and a Caudron G.III. listed. > What does anyone know about these kits and where can I find some information > on the aircraft? In my books I find only a small picture and very little info > on them. > On another note, I had asked before about the Light green, dark green, > rust/red/brown colors used on the Albatros wings and what paint people were > using for the closest match and no one replied, is this a national secret or > is everyone like me and wondering what paints to use that will give them the > closest match? > And to Matt, you know all the strange planes I like seem to be in the > dinky scale, so for now it now looks like most of my collection will be in > the other correct scale, but hey I think I'm learning to like it! Uh-Oh! I > think I've been snatched by the dark side. Again thanks to everyone for all > their help. > > Best regards, > Jon > Jon V. Theisen > 7532 Lawndale Ave. > Phila., PA 19111-2706 > >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:54:35 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: >On Fri, 02 June 2000, "Dale Beamish" wrote: > > >> Should've mentioned Has To Be waterproof! >> Dale >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bob Pearson >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Sent: 02 June, 2000 6:39 AM > > Subject: Re: Question Try printing it on an Alps. -- There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:04:21 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Toko and acrylics question Message-ID: <200006021405.KAA27260@pease1.sr.unh.edu> For those who have built Toko kits, and used Polly Scale acrylics, some questions. Did you sand the bogus fabric weave before painting? If not, was the weave noticeable? I'm in the process of sanding the flying surfaces of the Toko KD, and it's quite the pain. TIA! Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:12:24 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: <003301bfcc9c$93ce5280$351235d1@bconnected.net> Dale I would cut the paper to size and try it. I have been experimenting with glossy ink jet photo paper and it produces wonderful images. In fact I wouldn't have believed how much better they are then normal card-stock. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Beamish To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 5:35 AM Subject: Question > I'm looking for a process that would enable me to reproduce images on > contact paper. The same paper that you use to line kitchen shelves etc? The > kind with the removable backing. Can this be done by a printer? Any other > processes come to mind? I'm not letting the secret out of the bag as yet but > the images will be very small with exact detail. > Any help would sure be appreciated. > Dale > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:18:24 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker Message-ID: <000f01bfcc9d$6ad5ee00$4a3819d0@laskodi> Do tell please. What exactly is wrong with the wings? I'll be starting the Flashback E.III soon. Plan on doing E.III as Udet's. Anything else I should know also? TIA -----Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:20 AM Subject: RE: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker > > > Different wings too. Mind you, the wings are wrong for an E.III anyway > > That's right! Forgot to mention before. > > BTW. old Eduard's Eindecker was one of first ww1 kits I made. Having no > appropriate knowledge I misplaced versions too. > > > Tom > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:27:01 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions Message-ID: <003501bfcc9e$9ec3e2c0$4a3819d0@laskodi> Don't have one. Just got some Testors Napoleonic Violet, gonna try that next. I currently like Humbrol WWI Purple #107 lightened by 20% white, or Polly S German Mauve straight from the bottle. Both are close but IMHO not quite there. Like Humbrol solution the best so far. Still looking. HTH -------Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 6:33 AM Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions > And what are your choices for purple/mauve? > > Otis > > In a message dated Fri, 2 Jun 2000 1:51:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "laskodi" writes: > > << My choices of colors to match the top wing camo of Albies changes about as > often as I change my underwear! That is on a daily basis! These are my > current favorites on 6/1/00 at 10:47 PM! Haven't changed my underwear yet, > soooooooo................ > Dark green = Xtracolor German WWI Topside Green X241 > Light green = Gunze Sangyo RLM82 Light Green H422 > Rust/brown = Humbrol German Red/Brown #160 > HTH and YMMV! > ----Bob > PS New underwear tomorrow! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:48 PM > Subject: Wierd aircraft, and other questions > > > > In a message dated 5/31/2000 11:57:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > > > > << It's not exactly ugly, but it is definitely in the front of the pack > for > > running and winning the "Wierdest Airplane" award: the SPAD A.2 >> > > > > Hey Tom, I will want to hear all about this kit from you as I'm waiting > for > > it to arrive from Vamp soon. > > On to another subject I noticed in the Av-Usk spring update that > they > > had two aircraft listed that sounded very interesting. Under CS & HP > Resin > > in 1/72 (Matt) scale, they have a Breguet M.5 and a Caudron G.III. listed. > > What does anyone know about these kits and where can I find some > information > > on the aircraft? In my books I find only a small picture and very little > info > > on them. > > On another note, I had asked before about the Light green, dark > green, > > rust/red/brown colors used on the Albatros wings and what paint people > were > > using for the closest match and no one replied, is this a national secret > or > > is everyone like me and wondering what paints to use that will give them > the > > closest match? > > And to Matt, you know all the strange planes I like seem to be in the > > dinky scale, so for now it now looks like most of my collection will be in > > the other correct scale, but hey I think I'm learning to like it! Uh-Oh! > I > > think I've been snatched by the dark side. Again thanks to everyone for > all > > their help. > > > > Best regards, > > Jon > > Jon V. Theisen > > 7532 Lawndale Ave. > > Phila., PA 19111-2706 > > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:16:23 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions Message-ID: Bob wrote: "I currently like Humbrol WWI Purple #107 lightened by 20% white, or Polly S German Mauve straight from the bottle. Both are close but IMHO not quite there. Like Humbrol solution the best so far." Anyone have any opinons on Tamyia's purple that Eduard recommends in its DVa kit?? Tamyia and the new modelmaster acryl is about all I can get locally without odering in in bulk. I've seen a suspicious lack of comment on the list re tamyia paints. . . .are they that bad for OT subjects or am I just paranoid? Mark V-J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:43:23 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Real images for the "cook-up" Message-ID: <200006021445.KAA27543@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Thanks to Sandy Adam, I just uploaded some images he sent of a real Albatros seat. These can be found in the new Photos area: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Photos Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:14:29 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker Message-ID: Bob asks: "What exactly is wrong with the [Fokker E.III] wings?" While the outline and shape of the kit wings are very good, the rib configuration is wrong because the manufacturer inexplicably left one rib out. Fixing this is a major pain in the butt, as the ribs are very pronounced. One is tempted to scratch build the wing... Another thing to bear in mind before you get too far into the model is the wing-fuselage attachment, which is not well engineered in the kit. Adding a mechanical joint is tricky because the cockpit opening reveals all. If, like me, you want to open up the view windows, you further weaken the fuselage around the wing joint, which takes a lot of stress. So figure out what you're going to do BEFORE you super-detail the cockpit interior. The voice of experience... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:14:15 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Aerolub Message-ID: Here's the link I forgot the first time. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=346404829 Mack -----Original Message----- : John Glaser [mailto:Jasta11@pdq.net] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Aerolub What?????? -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Harris, Mack Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 11:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Aerolub Just a heads up on a bunch of "Aerolub" parts. He doesn't say what they are and I haven't emailed him to find out, but he has 4 lots of them. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:42:17 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions Message-ID: Not at all. Tamiya paint is very good quality, comparable to Gunze. Otis In a message dated Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:44:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark Vaughan-Jackson writes: << Bob wrote: "I currently like Humbrol WWI Purple #107 lightened by 20% white, or Polly S German Mauve straight from the bottle. Both are close but IMHO not quite there. Like Humbrol solution the best so far." Anyone have any opinons on Tamyia's purple that Eduard recommends in its DVa kit?? Tamyia and the new modelmaster acryl is about all I can get locally without odering in in bulk. I've seen a suspicious lack of comment on the list re tamyia paints. . . are they that bad for OT subjects or am I just paranoid? Mark V-J >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:47:59 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions Message-ID: <000b01bfcca9$f08d61c0$183819d0@laskodi> I don't like Tamiya paints for one big reason. They produce a very fragile finish that scratches way too easily IMHO. I know a lot of people are big fans of them since they airbrush really nicely, accept most any thinners, and are widely available, but I'm not one of them. My personal choice for acrylics are Polly S, Aeromaster, and Gunze Sangyo, in that order. I do use Tamiya paints a lot for my W.W.II models where I undercoat silver then chip the top coat for a really nice paint chip effect. Works great for that! HTH and YMMV -------Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaughan-Jackson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 7:46 AM Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions > Bob wrote: "I currently like Humbrol WWI Purple #107 lightened by 20% > white, or Polly S > German Mauve straight from the bottle. Both are close but IMHO not quite > there. Like Humbrol solution the best so far." > > Anyone have any opinons on Tamyia's purple that Eduard recommends in its > DVa kit?? > Tamyia and the new modelmaster acryl is about all I can get locally without > odering in in bulk. > I've seen a suspicious lack of comment on the list re tamyia paints. . . > .are they that bad for OT subjects or am I just paranoid? > > Mark V-J > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:47:12 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Good kits list? Message-ID: Hello again, thanks to every one for the help on the topside colors of the Albatros, I have some of the paints on hand and will try them out on some scraps to see how they look to me. Now I have another question, can anyone say if there are any good kits in this list, meaning worth the time to correct of course. I have a friend who wants to get rid of them and gave me first pick. Kits are $5 to $7 except the DML's their $15. Thanks for all of the advice. Best regards, Jon Lindberg 72581 SE5A Monogram 5203 Fokker DVII SMER 0808 Ansaldo SVA5 0803 Fokker DVII 0814 Nieuport 11/16 Testors 617 SPAD Glencoe 05118 SPAD 13 05101 Albatros DIII 05102 Albatros DIII Austro/Hungarian 05115 Pfalz DIII DML 5906 Fokker DRI 5902 SPAD 13 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:14:39 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions Message-ID: <005101bfccad$a9877aa0$db371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: laskodi To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions > Don't have one. > Just got some Testors Napoleonic Violet, gonna try that next. > I currently like Humbrol WWI Purple #107 lightened by 20% white, or Polly S > German Mauve straight from the bottle. Both are close but IMHO not quite > there. Like Humbrol solution the best so far. > Still looking. > HTH > -------Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions > > > > And what are your choices for purple/mauve? > > > > Otis FWIW, I've used Xtracolors German WWI Topside Purple enamel. It looks OK to me, and I haven't gotten any flak :-) from WWI purists. An added advantage to Xtracolor if you have not used it is that it's a gloss so you can decal right over it (so are most of their colors). Also, it goes on beuatifully! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:18:46 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Response to Introduction Message-ID: <005f01bfccae$3b2ddb20$db371c18@tampabay.rr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01BFCC8C.B318D4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all who wrote to warn me about, er, welcome me into the group, thank = you! One consistent theme from the respondents was how addictive the = group is. Considering the pile of postings since I signed on, I believe = it! My question is, how does anybody get the time to BUILD anything? = Personally, I'm glad I decided to (with my wife's permission, of course) = move my computer into my model room. Now I can bounce back and forth. = Is that how most of you do it? 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------=_NextPart_000_005C_01BFCC8C.B318D4E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:00:17 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wierd aircraft, and other questions Message-ID: Otis wrote: Not at all. Tamiya paint is very good quality, comparable to Gunze. Otis Phew, thank goodness. BTW, even though I use Tamyia almost exlcusively I agree with Bob, the finish from the paint is very fragile. Works great on ot when you want a nice weathering affect, especially over a coast of silver. Because it's so easy to scrape off, I usually seal PDQ with some heavy coats of future or Gunze clear - gloss first then decals than a load more Gunze clear flat. After that ain't nuttin' scraping off that baby! MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:39:59 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Response to Introduction Message-ID: <003501bfccb1$320c2e40$ef0156d1@default> Jack writes: > Personally, I'm glad I decided to (with my wife's permission, of course) = > move my computer into my model room. Now I can bounce back and forth. = > Is that how most of you do it Yup, all except for the permission part, I got a direct order ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:10:35 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Good kits list? Message-ID: <000901bfccb5$7841fa80$393819d0@laskodi> Ummmmm, don't want to ruin relations with your friend, but the prices he's giving you are pretty much the same as commercial prices from a "discount" mail order firm. That being said, all of them can be built up to nice models, depending on how much time you'd like to spend. I've built most of them and with the exception of the DML kits, will require a lot of work IF you want an accurate model. Remember, you get what you pay for and there is no way a $5 kit could be compared in the same breath as to current Eduard's without a lot of work. I like the Glencoe kits especially due to the fact that the decals alone are worth the price! I buy them for the decals and then give the kits to my son to build! HTH and YMMV -------Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 8:52 AM Subject: Good kits list? > Hello again, thanks to every one for the help on the topside colors of the > Albatros, I have some of the paints on hand and will try them out on some > scraps to see how they look to me. Now I have another question, can anyone > say if there are any good kits in this list, meaning worth the time to > correct of course. I have a friend who wants to get rid of them and gave me > first pick. Kits are $5 to $7 except the DML's their $15. Thanks for all of > the advice. > > Best regards, > Jon > Lindberg > 72581 SE5A > Monogram > 5203 Fokker DVII > SMER > 0808 Ansaldo SVA5 > 0803 Fokker DVII > 0814 Nieuport 11/16 > Testors > 617 SPAD > Glencoe > 05118 SPAD 13 > 05101 Albatros DIII > 05102 Albatros DIII Austro/Hungarian > 05115 Pfalz DIII > DML > 5906 Fokker DRI > 5902 SPAD 13 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:05:52 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Interesting Albeit Disturbing Article About eBay Message-ID: <94.52674df.26694370@aol.com> << In various times past we have wondered about the sanity of eBay bids on OT items. The following article in today's New York Times points out that these sellers and buyers might be more sane (and criminal) than we think! http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/06/biztech/articles/02ebay.html >> Thanks for posting that item, John. There are weasels everywhere.... and that certainly includes ebay. The shill detector software they talk about has its work cut out for it, though. I, like many on this list, am often bidding on WWI books and models, and am constantly tripping over the very same names - both buying and selling. Birds of a feather flock together, as they say. I doubt if ebay is too worried about tracking our transactions, which probably average less than the ebay average sale of $40, but if they did it could also appear suspicious to them. So, what does all this mean to us as bidders? - no real purchaser is bidding a penny more than they think the item is worth. The frenzy of false bidders on some of these monster auctions is designed to get people to bid with emotion, not common sense. I (and others) have said it on this list before - NEVER fall in love with one particular item. There will be others. - This can, however, ensure that such an auction does not stall on a bargain price, which is a shame (for the buyer). If I am selling an item worth $10,000 and, for whatever reason, it stalled at $2,500, I would rather bid $9,000 on it myself (using another screen name) and pay the 15% transaction fee to ebay rather than sell the thing at a 75% loss. Of course, using a reserve price avoids this scenario entirely. - It also makes you leery of small feedback numbers. Most of these are legit sellers who are just starting out, but once in awhile it could be a weasel such as the one mentioned in the article writing good feeback about himself, using other screen names. In summary, I think the types of purchases that most of us on this list make are probably not worth the hassle for the sellers to bother with this, but I will be keeping an eye out. And, most important of all, my maximum bids will not exceed what I am happy paying for an item - regardless of the insanity of others in the auction. Sorry for the long post, but I suspect 3/4 of us are using ebay at least occasionally to feed our habit.... :-) Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:06:49 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <7a.60a2dd4.266943a9@aol.com> In a message dated 6/2/00 8:11:56 AM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << I just uploaded some "new" images by Tom Cleaver. Well done! >> Just so nobody cries "unfair advantage," the only "new" model of the bunch is the Snipe. The Tripehound has in fact been around for going on three years now. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:09:42 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kids and modeling Message-ID: Matt, I started my son out on some very simple snap-tite kits at around 5 or so. He is 10 now and enjoys building cars, Pokemon, and the anime (?) kits. He works a lot on his own now and I try not to interfere with his style. He did want a Grommit-in-the airplane kit and I decided we would build both of ours at the same time. This will be his first excursion into using putty and heavy trimming. Someday I'll try to steer him to some OT stuff, but I won't push it. I was proud of him when he choose to read a biography of MvR for school last year!! BTW, he has won 2 awards at our local contest and I haven't even entered anything!!! Dicta Ira really applies to getting kids interested in modeling. -Rick- << For sp and the others with children, at what age did you start them building? My son is about to turn five, and I think it may be too early but am unsure. I saw on the snap-tite kits the recommended starting age is eight, and I was just wondering what others feel about this. TIA! >> ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2378 **********************