WWI Digest 2374 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Aesthetic (was Halberstadt) models by smperry@mindspring.com 2) Richard's I'lyas by smperry@mindspring.com 3) Re: Mister Kit availability by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: Halberstadt models by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: New layout by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: Aesthetic (was Halberstadt) models by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Re: Site Update by "DAVID BURKE" 9) June Internet Modeler by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Richard's I'lyas by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Performance - was Halberstadt models by "Sandy Adam" 12) Re: 1/48 boomers - also on-line pics & new (old) Harleyfords by "Sandy Adam" 13) They're Playin' Your Song! by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 14) RE: June Internet Modeler by "dfernet0" 15) RE: June Internet Modeler by "Matt Bittner" 16) Re: June Internet Modeler by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: Site Update by "Matt Bittner" 18) RE: June Internet Modeler by "dfernet0" 19) RE: June Internet Modeler by "Matt Bittner" 20) Kids and modeling by "Matt Bittner" 21) June IM by "Matt Bittner" 22) New images by "Matt Bittner" 23) Re: Kids and modeling by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 24) Pegasus SPAD Question by David Fleming 25) Re: Pegasus SPAD Question by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: Kids and (scale) modeling by "Mark Shannon" 27) Re: Kids and modeling by "Dale Beamish" 28) RE: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker by "Lance Krieg" 29) Re: Richard's I'lyas by "Richard Eaton" 30) Re: Pegasus SPAD Question by David Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:00:50 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Aesthetic (was Halberstadt) models Message-ID: <001b01bfcb7d$fa93bd40$120c56d1@default> (sp: I had to keep the mini-DF to keep from going > *insane* with this thing. I'll shoot it to you Monday, God willing and the > creek doesn't rise) NP sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:07:41 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Richard's I'lyas Message-ID: <002301bfcb7e$eedf6980$120c56d1@default> Great job Richard! I award you Ordern Pour le Masocihste mit swerden. Two of 'em! Sheesh? Good job on the Sikorski homemade dope/varnish finish. sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:55:51 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Mister Kit availability Message-ID: <003301bfcb7f$01de6360$6982aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Thanks Marc! DB -----Original Message----- From: Marc Flake To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Mister Kit availability >I've ordered from Mister Kit directly from their web site at >www.misterkit.com. > >If they don't have something in stock, they e-mail me the next day. >I've received orders in about a week. > >The prices are better, too. (in most cases) > >There's also a place called Pacific Coast (www.pacmodels.com) that is >beginning to import Mister Kit kits. They list some conversion kits. > >Marc >nb: Finally getting around to rigging the third strutter. >nu: Glencoe N 28 and Seals Models Mikasa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:05:55 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Halberstadt models Message-ID: <003501bfcb7f$036810a0$6982aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: RE: Halberstadt models > > >> Uglier the better! Y'know my opinion if the Brisfit: a >> homely plane, > >That's it Dave ! You and ya black hat - outside. Paint guns at 10 >paces.... > >Ha, homely indeed. She's sleek and powerful, a veritable amazon of an >aeroplane (and I chose the word "sleek" because that's how several >biographies of the time described the aircraft) > >Damn. I gotta get a life.. Now I'm jumping to the defence of octogenarian >gels..... > >Shane Ha! Shane, I had a feeling that if that remark would light a fire under anyone's butt, it'd be yours! Now, I didn't say Brisfits were ugly, I said 'homely'. Big difference. It's not gonna win any beauty prizes. But I think it's also in a league with the Sturmovik, the Gannett, and the A-10 Warthog as being less than aesthetically appealing, but extremely businesslike - even menacing-looking. Add the Se-5 to that list too! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:57:52 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: New layout Message-ID: <003401bfcb7f$02a7cde0$6982aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hmmm. Very true. With appropriate plans, scratching it shouldn't be too bad. Simple vacforming could take care of the fuselage too. Hmmm... DB -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 9:09 PM Subject: Re: New layout >>From: "DAVID BURKE" >> >>Hey, I'd love a Farman F.40 in 1/48 - and with the thinness of the >flying >>surfaces, vac would be THE ideal way to goI What a cool->looking bird! >> >> > >David: > >This runs into some thoughts I've been having about scratchbuilding. I've >built the Roseplane F-40 and it's as easy a build as a vac can be; very >accurately made vac. It's a short step from that to doing a scratchbuild of >the same. The only major hurdle would be the fuselage/nacelle. I am >uncertain how to do curved surfaces. The vac has 2 wings, a vertical and >horizontal tail and the nacelle. That's it. The rest is fairly easily >scratchbuilt plus you can buy after market parts for the tricky stuff like >prop, wheels, guns, engines > >Michael >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:08:09 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker Message-ID: <003601bfcb7f$0429da00$6982aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Thanks Tomasz, I'll just take my chances I guess and do the Bohme markings on the E.III. If you won't tell anybody, I won't either! DB -----Original Message----- From: Tomasz Gronczewski To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 6:14 PM Subject: RE: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker > >David > >>> You sure about that? >80% sure :-)) > >>> The DF identifies it as an E.III, and I don't see a difference in cowl >>> length. What exactly should I look at to see the difference? >O.K. it is hard to state that the cowling is smaller, it is my impression >rather. And it is related to the diameter of the cowl rather than lenght. >E.Is had smaller seven-cylinder 70hp engines. E.IIs were fitted with larger >9-cylinder 100hp Oberursel engines and therefore the cowl had to be ca. 10 >cm (4') wider. Most notable result of diameter increase was seen on the >upper metal decking behind the cowl. Since new cowling had been installed, >the upper metal panel received characteristic curved appearance. It means >that going from the cowl to the cockpit the edge of the upper panel was >straight and horizontal but reaching the windscreen it moved down to reach >the cockpit framing. Simply the edges had to be higher behind the cowl than >in the case of E.Is. Top panels of E.Is had straight horizontal edges and it >seems that Boehme's one had such. >(Oh dear God forgive me my English but I am only Pole). > >The next piece of evidence is located a bit below. The side paneling behind >the cowl was changed somewhere in the mid production of E.Is. Later E.Is as >well as E.IIs and E.IIIs had side metal panels reaching mid cockpit and they >had the same lenght as the upper panels. But early E.Is had shorter side >panels barely extending Spandau's ammo drum. Boehme's aircraft had panels of >the latter style thus it was probably early E.I. > >You can measure the lenght of the plane too. IMHO Boehme's Fokker looks a >bit too shorty to be E.III but in order to be honest it is again my >impression only. > >>> My point was that Flashback claims that the gun is a Schwarzlose when it >>> is clearly a jacketed Spandau. >That's true. Boehme's aircraft carried typical Spandau gun. I am not a >specialist here but the ammo drum of this gun should be also provided with a >bigger "boile" on the starboard. This assymetric appearance was common among >E.Is. > >Also note that if Boehme's Fokker is in fact E.I, it should carry early >patee crosses with wider "endings". > > >Tom > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:42:41 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Aesthetic (was Halberstadt) models Message-ID: <003201bfcb7f$0114f8e0$6982aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >Hmmmmm.... None spring to my mind. Anyhow, I wouldn't call the Brisfit >pretty, but it is certainly attractive in a businesslike way. > >Later! > >Brent Now, I would agree with that - I'm also a fan of the A-10 too! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:12:19 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Site Update Message-ID: <005101bfcb7f$c9c550a0$6982aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > >Regards, > >Richard > >Dueling Ilyas? > Sheesh! THat's enough work to turn you into Possum Boy, grab a banjo AN' yer sister!! So are you using them to shade your workshop, or are you gonna lash them together to make a nice cover for your porch? Roof for the new garage? Really nice man! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:44:49 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <200006010553.WAA11341@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, I am pleased to announce that the hobby is safe in the hands of a new generation of modeler. .. Cina Renee Perry (daughter of Steve) is featured in the new IM building her very first model. OT stuff .. her dad builds the Artur Albatros D.II, Merrill Anderson does the CSM Dolphin. I take a look at the SPIN SPAD A.2/4 kits. ot stuff ... wrong forum to mention it at :-) Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com for those on AOL who have trouble with the above, try http://www.internetmodeler.com/june2000/contents.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 03:18:20 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Richard's I'lyas Message-ID: In a message dated 5/31/00 11:06:18 PM EST, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << I award you Ordern Pour le Masocihste mit swerden. >> I think all members of this group deserve this award, for being here. For two of those @%@@!! Ilya kits, maybe the list equivalent of the VC/Pour le Merite/Croix de Guerre, eh? TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:00:45 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Performance - was Halberstadt models Message-ID: <002501bfcbb2$60a66cc0$04e8b094@sandyada> Brent wrote: "The LVG sounds good. I dunno if I'll take you up on your Big Ack though. I >already have the Vimy, FE8 and RE8 for ugly. I figure the Inglish were >trying to prove the laws of aerodynamics didn't apply on their side of the >channel. A practice they continued up til the second unpleasantness." Funny how they were usually so much faster then ain't it? Surprises me that the Huns had superb engines like the Mercedes in-line, in streamlined scouts like Albabores and sexy Pfalzes yet they were usually considerably slower than boxy SE5a's and barrel-nosed Spads and Dolphins. Even the superb Fok D.VII with its lack of dragging wires could be fairly easily out-run by a 1916-designed SE. (I know that all sorts of factors like height etc influence speed; and relative speeds may change at different altitudes, but so many autobiographies comment on this. The exception of course being the Camel - but this was singled out by authors like VM Yeats, exactly since the SEs and Dolphins etc were so much faster than anything the Huns had.) Of course the opposite was true of the high altitude rec planes - just read the new Alb CV Datafile and see that this under-rated machine too, had the superb performance that we know of the Rumpler series etc and could outrun anything proud Albion had. (I've got the Sierra vac CV wings all done - now for the good bits!) You could perhaps make a case that since the german scouts played a defensive role for almost all of the later war, speed was less important than dog-fighting and firepower, but this would not allow for the fact that defeated opponents could often escape to fight another day, by "putting the nose down" and getting back over the lines to safety. I find this a fascinating topic, as the germans experimented with lots of exciting new techniques like alloy tube construction and metal wing covering etc, and made huge strides forward in design and materials - but for all this, the scouts delivered to the front line up until the Fokker DVIII were usually relatively slow! You can't explain it by lack of materials - hey hang on! What about fuel - I wonder if poor fuel maybe influenced this. I wonder if they kept scarce high octane stuff just for the Rumplers etc? Anyway - I'm sure I'll have a beautiful Big Ack when its ready Eric - as long as its reasonably priced - great to hear you are cutting out the subcontractors and new kits should be back to affordable pricing levels - like the earlier Dornier and Fokker DV I hope. Should sell lots more. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:28:54 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Re: 1/48 boomers - also on-line pics & new (old) Harleyfords Message-ID: <002a01bfcbb4$4452eba0$04e8b094@sandyada> >?I have this inpact (Pyro) 1/48 scale Bristol Boxkite - was this realy a plane? >There is no mention of it in "Britan's First Warplanes" by J.M. Bruce. Nothing in Jane's either. Anybody out >there got a period picture of this plane?? I thought I saw it in "the first 400" book? Maybe I'm getting mixed up. Anyway, there are several pics in the Putnam Bristol Aircraft title. Seem to remember it in the Hulton-Getty "Aviation" book too. All the pics in the Hulton-Getty collection can be viewed (and purchased) on-line BTW. Try http://www.hultongetty.com/en-us/search/search.asp - lots of early planes and airships in fabulous photos. I also recently came across 2 Harleyford books I had never heard of before. Same size and format as usual but covering one aircraft manufacturer each. One was Bristol, other was Westland. The spine said there was also a Miles volume. They dated from late 40's/early 50's. The Bristol volume had a double page on the Boxkite - left side has usual column of photographs and text, right page has 1/72 scale drawings. I was very tempted but rather expensive. Anybody else ever seen these? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:37:56 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: They're Playin' Your Song! Message-ID: <000701bfcbb5$73c3bcb0$4239183f@cyrixp166> http://www.internetmodeler.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:36:49 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <006501bfcbb5$4b7c0000$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Great work guys, as ever! Incredible amount of finished -and excellent- models by Mr. Eaton! This guy is fast! D. PS: hey Matt, no french planes this issue? hmmmm :-( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:17:07 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <200006011237.IAA19871@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:43:58 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > PS: hey Matt, no french planes this issue? hmmmm :-( Sadly, no. I have six kits in the queue, but can't seem to get a handle on any of them. Maybe I need to cut down on the amount of workbench fodder. :-) Unfortunately, though, of those six only two are French (two SPAD 13s). The rest are German and A-H... Gads... I have a lot of French to build later in the year to make up for the non-French stuff. :-) Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:10:50 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <200006011237.IAA19873@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:52:05 -0400 (EDT), Bob Pearson wrote: > OT stuff .. her dad builds the Artur Albatros D.II, Merrill Anderson does > the CSM Dolphin. I take a look at the SPIN SPAD A.2/4 kits. Great work, sp!! Keep that daughter of yours building. ;-) I don't think Merrill Anderson is on the forum, but if he is, great job on the Dolphin. Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:07:48 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Site Update Message-ID: <200006011237.IAA19874@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Wed, 31 May 2000 21:14:46 -0400 (EDT), Richard Eaton wrote: > I finally finished the ICM Ilya Muromets. Excellent! Man, that sucker is huge (as Tiny Elvis would say). Great job, Richard! Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:36:47 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <000d01bfcbc6$0da762e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Seems like we germanophiles have contaminated your workbench! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: RE: June Internet Modeler > On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:43:58 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > > > PS: hey Matt, no french planes this issue? hmmmm :-( > > Sadly, no. I have six kits in the queue, but can't seem to get a > handle on any of them. Maybe I need to cut down on the amount of > workbench fodder. :-) Unfortunately, though, of those six only two are > French (two SPAD 13s). The rest are German and A-H... Gads... I have > a lot of French to build later in the year to make up for the > non-French stuff. :-) > > > Matt Bittner > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:50:46 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <200006011252.IAA20054@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > Seems like we germanophiles have contaminated your workbench! I hear that! Gads... Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:02:31 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Kids and modeling Message-ID: <200006011304.JAA20144@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Kind of off topic, but one that will help our hobby to survive. For sp and the others with children, at what age did you start them building? My son is about to turn five, and I think it may be too early but am unsure. I saw on the snap-tite kits the recommended starting age is eight, and I was just wondering what others feel about this. TIA! Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:10:23 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: June IM Message-ID: <200006011313.JAA20266@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Oh, and I think I figured out why Richard has only completed the Ilya - he builds too many ships. It has nothing to do with the size of the Ilya nor the number of wires. ;-) Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:11:46 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New images Message-ID: <200006011313.JAA20265@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I just uploaded Len Endy's take on the Eduard 'Bob' Nieuport. Great job, Len, and such an excellent subject. ;-) Those submitting images of the proper *type* of models will have them update the fastest. :-) Check out the various takes on 'Bob': Len made his into a Nie.17, while Bob Laskodi made his into a Nie.23. Cool! Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:59:57 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kids and modeling Message-ID: Matt, myself and some mates just held our first make it take it event. We got some free kits from the IMMA via Chuck Davenport at IPMS US (little spitfires with no interior detail and no decals) We had nine kids aged five to 12 and ran from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. We built them, brush painted with Tamyia and had the decals on all by 3 p.m. as well as some airbrush demonstrations, talks about other more complex kits etc and hot dogs for lunch. The five year old was a bit too young, his dad helped out considerably. He mastered the painting though, firmly following the Dicta Ira and opting to paint it all green with a black underside!!. We had boys and girls involved and I was gratified that the girls actually seemed more interested and more skillful. One of them, I think she was 10, did a job that put my efforts at age 15 to shame. I'm just about to start building with my five year old daughter and and also looking at the snap kits. Based on our experience over the weekend I'd say five is not too young as long as you are there for the sharp and messy parts. I found the young feller had an absolute blast on the painting so much so that I think some real interest was kindled. . .you should have seen his eyes when he won one of the draw prizes. We were delighted with the response from the kids and their parents - who we had working right alongside their kids either helping out or on kits of their own. Now if I can just get hold of a load of small basic OT kits for the next one I'll be happy. promoting modeling and my favorites subject in one swell foop!! For those that's interested we'll have shots from the event up on a website soon. Later Mark V-J (who opted not to model last night and go to see the Guess Who instead. Awesome concert. Any other Canadian listmembers check them out when they come to your area. A gig not to be missed. Seeing them play American Woman live was superb as was watching Randy bachman team up wityh his old buddies on the best version of Taking Care of Business I have ever heard. My ears are still ringing and my voice is shot. . . .loverly stuf :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:34:05 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pegasus SPAD Question Message-ID: <3936664D.E7221D2E@dial.pipex.com> What mark of SPAD are Pegasus releasing in 1/72 this year ? I've seen it listed as a 7, a 12 or a 13. Each would be welcomed (Especially a 7 or 12). TIA David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:40:03 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Pegasus SPAD Question Message-ID: <200006011341.JAA20464@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:37:23 -0400 (EDT), David Fleming wrote: > What mark of SPAD are Pegasus releasing in 1/72 this year ? > > I've seen it listed as a 7, a 12 or a 13. Each would be welcomed > (Especially a 7 or 12). SPAD 12, the cannon bird. Sure, the other two were produced more, but personally I would like to see the 7 or 13 done by Eduard. Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:42:03 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Kids and (scale) modeling Message-ID: It depends on the kid. Both of my boys were different, with the older one unable to be trusted with hobby tools for a lot longer than his younger brother. Both of them "bought models" at age five or six, if you include the balsa gliders and such. Die cast cars were a big thing for years, sort of models, and snap-tite kits were big. I "helped" them with the cutting and trimming, pointed to where the parts were supposed to go and let them have at it. The biggest problem, and one that I'm interested in other's input, is the fact that I couldn't keep them from comparing their efforts to mine and getting frustrated. I tried working with them on building one model 'right' together so they could see the kind of skills that go into the final product and get an idea of what they would perfect as they built more and more. This did not seem to work out, just leaving them disgusted with the results if they didn't work on all the steps and frustrated with the slow pace of doing all the steps. They both like working with moving models, now -- my older boy just finished a Tamiya RC F1 car, so there is still interest, the younger one likes flying models. They are both computer mavens, with the older one going to college this fall to study multi-media computing and games/simulations programming. (sounds like a wonderful sort of major -- almost fantasy -- but it's a valid major in computer science). Anyway, I'd say as soon as you feel confident your kids can handle a brush without painting themselves and surroundings more than the kit (with supervision), and can look at the instructions to understand that there is a purpose for each part and an order to construction, it's time to let them start building. I'm assuming they have reached the stage where they don't try to eat everything or stick it up their nose. .Mark. Matt wrote: >Kind of off topic, but one that will help our hobby to survive. >For sp and the others with children, at what age did you start them >building? My son is about to turn five, and I think it may be too >early but am unsure. I saw on the snap-tite kits the recommended >starting age is eight, and I was just wondering what others feel about >this. TIA! > >Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:10:49 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Kids and modeling Message-ID: <00dc01bfcbce$9aeba820$f62eb8a1@darcy> First off get them their own set of paints, glue etc. I shudder every time my two boys go near my workbench. Chris, 13 is getting very good but Cameron, 8 is in a constant race to get it finished! If he can't finish it within 10 minutes he thinks he's using the wrong glue! Spray more accelerator on it Dad, quick! The hardest part I found was to let them do their thing and not your way. I started both boys at 6. They've destroyed a lot of plastic since then! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 01 June, 2000 7:05 AM Subject: Kids and modeling > Kind of off topic, but one that will help our hobby to survive. > > For sp and the others with children, at what age did you start them > building? My son is about to turn five, and I think it may be too > early but am unsure. I saw on the snap-tite kits the recommended > starting age is eight, and I was just wondering what others feel about > this. TIA! > > > Matt Bittner > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:53:14 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: Note incorrect version, was, Re: Bohme's Eindekker Message-ID: Since this thread is delving deeper into the details of these planes, and the gun keeps coming up... I may as well chime in with the observation that these are the older IMG 08 guns with the square breech, and NOT the more common LMG 08/15 of later usage. Just something else to bear in mind... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:57:53 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: Richard's I'lyas Message-ID: <008d01bfcbd1$62b389c0$04441c18@austin.rr.com> Thanks for the accolades guys. Really undeserving though. The Marquette is really an unfinished build from three years ago. I burned on the rigging then. When the ICM came out I never looked back. Just thought it would be fun to post a shot of both of the beasts. Regards, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 2:23 AM Subject: Re: Richard's I'lyas > In a message dated 5/31/00 11:06:18 PM EST, smperry@mindspring.com writes: > > << I award you Ordern Pour le Masocihste mit swerden. >> > > I think all members of this group deserve this award, for being here. > > For two of those @%@@!! Ilya kits, maybe the list equivalent of the VC/Pour > le Merite/Croix de Guerre, eh? > > TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:11:43 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus SPAD Question Message-ID: <39366F1F.D1A90F5E@dial.pipex.com> Matt Bittner wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:37:23 -0400 (EDT), David Fleming wrote: > > > What mark of SPAD are Pegasus releasing in 1/72 this year ? > > > > I've seen it listed as a 7, a 12 or a 13. Each would be welcomed > > (Especially a 7 or 12). > > SPAD 12, the cannon bird. Sure, the other two were produced more, but > personally I would like to see the 7 or 13 done by Eduard. > I would second you in that ! (But I now have to find references for the RFC SPAD 12 !) David ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2374 **********************