WWI Digest 2342 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Rogues by "Ray Boorman" 2) Re: Voss Dr-1 by "Ray Boorman" 3) RE: Voss Dr-1 by Shane Weier 4) Re: Voss Dr-1 by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: Voss Dr-1 by "Ray Boorman" 6) worst ebay purchase by "wbailey719" 7) RE: Albatros Triplane by "dfernet0" 8) Re: ebay thoughts by Peter Leonard 9) Sierra Scale Vacuforms by "chrisjpb" 10) RE: Great Alb cookup!! by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 11) Albatri - Another infamous ghost is being released by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 12) Re: Sierra Scale Vacuforms by "David Calhoun" 13) Re: Albatros project request by Allan Wright 14) Flying Circus Datafile Question by "Dale Beamish" 15) Re: Voss Dr-1 by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: Voss Dr-1 by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: PC12 in Sinai/Palestine by "cameron rile" 18) Re: Rogues by Sharon Henderson 19) Re: Rogues by Sharon Henderson 20) Re: Voss Dr-1 by Sharon Henderson 21) Re: Voss Dr-1 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 22) Re: Sierra Scale Vacuforms by "Candice Uhlir" 23) More images by "Matt Bittner" 24) Re: Sierra Scale Vacuforms by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:11:34 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Rogues Message-ID: <00b801bfbe23$a886c2c0$5f1335d1@bconnected.net> Is it a Priest becoming a rogue, or rogue becoming a priest, that is the question ;) > From: Sharon Henderson > >:-) I think we've hit a new benchmark for oddity. Pictures of someone > >being made a priest, to be placed in a Rogue's Gallery. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:30:27 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 Message-ID: <00ce01bfbe26$4c0390c0$5f1335d1@bconnected.net> The solution to this is to build two, one yellow cowled the other Olive. No matter how you cut it, you will have got it right on one of them. btw my comment bout the Turquoise Revell instructions come from the Voss Version of the 1/28 Triplane from the mid 60's I believe. Long proven wrong I might add. My one looked good to me until it fell from the ceiling....... Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: RE: Voss Dr-1 > DB says: > > > THe yellow cowling might > > actually be a red herring. > > You have any photographic evidence? Bob ! Have you done a profile? I > *have* to have a model marked with a red herring to shelve next to the > Walfisch. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:44:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Voss Dr-1 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD201E@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Ray > The solution to this is to build two, one yellow cowled the > other Olive. > No matter how you cut it, you will have got it right on one of them. > > btw my comment bout the Turquoise Revell instructions come > from the Voss > Version of the 1/28 Triplane from the mid 60's I believe. > Long proven wrong I might add. *Wrong* for a Dr.I but *right* for an F.1, and Voss' machine was an F.1 You had it right - even back then Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:57:59 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 Message-ID: <001801bfbe2a$40956660$3b82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Apparently, the turquoise streaked with olive is correct, so we'll see. Build two? Sir, you truly have the wisdom of King Herod! DB -----Original Message----- From: Ray Boorman To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 11:34 PM Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 >The solution to this is to build two, one yellow cowled the other Olive. >No matter how you cut it, you will have got it right on one of them. > >btw my comment bout the Turquoise Revell instructions come from the Voss >Version of the 1/28 Triplane from the mid 60's I believe. Long proven wrong >I might add. My one looked good to me until it fell from the ceiling....... > >Ray > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Shane Weier >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 4:35 PM >Subject: RE: Voss Dr-1 > > >> DB says: >> >> > THe yellow cowling might >> > actually be a red herring. >> >> You have any photographic evidence? Bob ! Have you done a profile? I >> *have* to have a model marked with a red herring to shelve next to the >> Walfisch. >> >> Shane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************** >> The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >> and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >> If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >> or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >> requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >> to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >> E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >> ************************************************************** >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:55:52 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 Message-ID: <00ef01bfbe32$3ab5d2e0$5f1335d1@bconnected.net> David, which Herod ;) No don't tell me I somehow think it will be the bad one ....... After I sent the original email it. It suddenly occurred to me. I know it would not absolutely prove anything since you have time of year, day lighting conditions and a 1000 other things. But would a black and white picture of models in similar light conditions give you an pretty good idea of the real colour Yellow or olive?? Oh I forgot you would have to use the correct film too. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 > Apparently, the turquoise streaked with olive is correct, so we'll see. > > Build two? Sir, you truly have the wisdom of King Herod! > > > DB > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Boorman > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 > > > >The solution to this is to build two, one yellow cowled the other Olive. > >No matter how you cut it, you will have got it right on one of them. > > > >btw my comment bout the Turquoise Revell instructions come from the Voss > >Version of the 1/28 Triplane from the mid 60's I believe. Long proven wrong > >I might add. My one looked good to me until it fell from the ceiling....... > > > >Ray > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Shane Weier > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 4:35 PM > >Subject: RE: Voss Dr-1 > > > > > >> DB says: > >> > >> > THe yellow cowling might > >> > actually be a red herring. > >> > >> You have any photographic evidence? Bob ! Have you done a profile? I > >> *have* to have a model marked with a red herring to shelve next to the > >> Walfisch. > >> > >> Shane > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************************************** > >> The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > >> and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > >> If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > >> or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > >> requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > >> to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > >> E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > >> ************************************************************** > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 04:23:46 -0600 From: "wbailey719" To: Subject: worst ebay purchase Message-ID: <00aa01bfbe57$c874e740$a8775ecf@spitfire> Last yer a very pleasant lady advertised a 1/72 scale Revell SE5A and included a picture of the kit with the box open. Now it was plain to see that the decal sheet had only one side of the rudder decal and while she admitted she wasn't familiar what it should have as far as parts, all the important pieces appeared to be in the box. Won it for around $5.00 or so. Would make an interesting kit assembled though......... Kits wheels replaced with 1/35 scale road wheels from a T34-76 :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 06:38:31 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Albatros Triplane Message-ID: <005701bfbe51$552cefe0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dennis You're more than welcome, I just pointed you at it. Be grateful to Allan to put such a great site online. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Ugulano To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 11:28 PM Subject: RE: Albatros Triplane > D, > > Thanks for the information. Beautiful picture. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/DJU.HTM > Page Revised 8/16/99 > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:49:31 +0100 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ebay thoughts Message-ID: <391FC82B.CDB264C3@cwcom.net> I bought an Aurora DH4 off e-bay for half the price I had seen it at a show two weeks before, so it's not all bad. Sensible bidding is the key. On the other hand I just upgraded my system , double the memory, triple the hard drive and a 3d card, all from the proceeds of e-bay sales of a few surplus kits and books. There are a lot of just plain stupid prices, and we have discussed here more than one obvious fake, but we're all sensible grown up people (mostly) who know when not to get burnt cheers Peter L Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com wrote: > Howdy! > > I have some thoughts on this too. I have exercised my entrepreneurial > rights as a Capitalist to purchase some mundane kits cheaply and sell them > on Ebay at a profit. This gave me cash in hand to purchase the expensive > resin kits I crave. In other words SWMBO couldn't complain that I spent $70 > for "one measly model". I have no problem when somebody wants to pay me $35 > for a 1/32 P-38 that I bought at a club auction for $5. So far I haven't > dealt with any "rare" or collectable kits (but my title always says it is! > vacs, which are cheap anyway. I also purchase the odd resin kit like the > T.C. Models Vickers Vimy, which wasn't so cheap, but I still got a deal. > > On the other hand I have benefited from the generosity of the list. Those > kits I have started to build, or will build. They will never be offered for > sale on Ebay. > > I think Ebay serves a good purpose. Sure, I look down on those who sell $10 > kits with a $20 reserve to the unwary. Those sellers consider us fools for > giving kits away for a song. I felt guilty (almost) for taking people's > money knowing full well they ran the price up themselves. It all depends on > your perspective I guess. What's important to you? Helping a fellow list > member out or lining your pockets? Luckily for us Matt enjoys spreading the > WWI, dinky scale gospel more than he likes change in his pockets. > > Later! > > Brent > > PS: This is a very OT post. It deals with acquiring and disposing of > models. I dispose of the ot ones as fast as I can. And I am acquiring OT > kits faster than I should! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 06:57:07 -0400 From: "chrisjpb" To: "WWI Modeling" Subject: Sierra Scale Vacuforms Message-ID: <000b01bfbe5c$50ef6c40$649a183f@computer> Hello, Has anybody out there built any WWI kits from this company? I have not had much experience building vacuform kits but would like to try their 1/48 Hansa Brandenberg D.1 kit. I would appreciate greatly any comments anyone may have on this subject. TIA. Sincerely, Chris Bernique ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:23:42 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Great Alb cookup!! Message-ID: Eventually I'd like to join the Cookup with Eduard's D.III but I have not decided its markings yet. I always wanted to build Voss', Wolff's, Wühstoff's and Allmenröder's Albatri. It seems that only the latter has not been "claimed" yet. Ray may you include me on the list of cooks? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:23:38 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: "WW1 Mailing List" Subject: Albatri - Another infamous ghost is being released Message-ID: Well... I am afraid I have to raise a next problem related to ww1 colours. Recently I have read new Czech theory related to the camouflage carried by late Albatri D.III and early D.V. It was commonly accepted so far, that they carried Dark Green / Mauve scheme. But according to some recent researches of Czech historians it is not true. They state that in 1917 German Idflieg announced a well known order to replace Rust Brown with Dark Purple or Mauve colour. It had been caused by the fact of more common brown colour usage on Allied aircraft. Czechs suggest that the new colour replaced brown but two remaning green colours remained unchanged and therefore new Dark Olive Green / Dark Mauve / Pale Green camouflage emerged. Therefore the light colour that we see on the late D.IIIs and early D.Vs is not Light Mauve but in fact Light Green. Moreover they state that Osterreiche Albatros Werke did not received Mauve supplies early enough and late OAW Albatri D.III were painted in Dark Olive Green / Pale Green colours with Rust Brown simply omitted. Any comments? Tom (this time seriously afraid of your reaction ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:59:10 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Sierra Scale Vacuforms Message-ID: <005c01bfbe7e$21b797a0$0c083ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Chris, I have built the Sierra Aviatik Berg D.1 & the Spad A.2. Both look great when finished, but take a lot of work, scratchbuilt interior, engine bay, come with not too great resin guns, no decals. Struts are best made from brass tube or carved from wood. A sheet of Fotocut photoetched WW1 parts really come in handy. Americals is a good source for decals, and the wings must be sanded really thin. The tail & rudder are best done from sheet styrene, I never have luck sanding both halves thin enough. Outline of both kits was right on, both kits came out looking great, but if Eduard had a kit vs. building one of these, I would definitely go with the Eduard. (even early HB D.1) Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: chrisjpb To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 3:56 AM Subject: Sierra Scale Vacuforms >Hello, > >Has anybody out there built any WWI kits from this company? I have not had >much experience building vacuform kits but would like to try their 1/48 >Hansa Brandenberg D.1 kit. I would appreciate greatly any comments anyone >may have on this subject. TIA. >Sincerely, >Chris Bernique > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:22:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros project request Message-ID: <200005151222.IAA12073@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Geoff, All the digests are on the web page (see below). You may even use a search engine to pull the ones with the applicable thread. I would reccoment a search term of "cookoff" -Al > > Guys, > > Back in the mists of time 3 weeks ago, when I had digests going > back about 4 years stored on disk, the Albatros project hadn't been > born. > > Since then a major PC death coupled with Packard-Bell's death > sentence on my backup disk has left me with no way of accessing > the various posts on plywood finishes (as in watercolor pencils > etc). If anyone has a copy of this most interesting and vital > information or can point to the digests concerned, can they please > copy it to me or post it to the project page. > > Many thanks, > > Geoff > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:40:24 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Flying Circus Datafile Question Message-ID: <00c501bfbe73$3ef93860$c42eb8a1@darcy> In the "Richthofen's Fling Circus" datafile there is a photo on page 2, bottom photo. Can anyone shed some light on who's A/C the striped one is? Any ideas on colors? Speculations? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:43:21 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 Message-ID: <001c01bfbe7b$ec0b94a0$8b82aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I'm sorry Ray, I think that I meant King Solomon! (Herod was the jackass, right, and Solomon was the baby-chopper, yes?) After settling on the olive cowl, I then looked, in all places, Squadron's Dr.1 in Action. There's a side pic showing the cowl as looking really light, although I would guess that that's a sunlight effect. I'd figure that's what it is, as the bright area is limited to the upper side of the cowl. Olive is what I'm doing. Turquoise overall with the typical olive streaking on the upper surfaces. I'll take another look at the wheel covers - wonder if those might have been painted in Jasta colors? DB -----Original Message----- From: Ray Boorman To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:00 AM Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 >David, > which Herod ;) No don't tell me I somehow think it will be the bad one >...... >After I sent the original email it. It suddenly occurred to me. I know it >would not absolutely prove anything since you have time of year, day >lighting conditions and a 1000 other things. But would a black and white >picture of models in similar light conditions give you an pretty good idea >of the real colour Yellow or olive?? > >Oh I forgot you would have to use the correct film too. > >Ray > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: DAVID BURKE >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 10:12 PM >Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 > > >> Apparently, the turquoise streaked with olive is correct, so we'll see. >> >> Build two? Sir, you truly have the wisdom of King Herod! >> >> >> DB >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ray Boorman >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 11:34 PM >> Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 >> >> >> >The solution to this is to build two, one yellow cowled the other Olive. >> >No matter how you cut it, you will have got it right on one of them. >> > >> >btw my comment bout the Turquoise Revell instructions come from the Voss >> >Version of the 1/28 Triplane from the mid 60's I believe. Long proven >wrong >> >I might add. My one looked good to me until it fell from the >ceiling....... >> > >> >Ray >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Shane Weier >> >To: Multiple recipients of list >> >Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 4:35 PM >> >Subject: RE: Voss Dr-1 >> > >> > >> >> DB says: >> >> >> >> > THe yellow cowling might >> >> > actually be a red herring. >> >> >> >> You have any photographic evidence? Bob ! Have you done a profile? I >> >> *have* to have a model marked with a red herring to shelve next to the >> >> Walfisch. >> >> >> >> Shane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************** >> >> The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >> >> and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >> >> If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >> >> or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >> >> requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >> >> to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >> >> E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >> >> ************************************************************** >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:00:02 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 Message-ID: <200005151501.LAA12703@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Mon, 15 May 2000 10:55:25 -0400 (EDT), DAVID BURKE wrote: > Olive is what I'm doing. Turquoise overall with the typical olive > streaking on the upper surfaces. I'll take another look at the wheel > covers - wonder if those might have been painted in Jasta colors? Just as an aside - you are modifying the kit to F.I standards, right? Horizontal tail and ailerons are (I think) the differences. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:55:30 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PC12 in Sinai/Palestine Message-ID: <30F4B6F2B2A24D115A240005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> >I would suspect that PC-10 would appear darker than PC-12 There is one pic of 7477 on it's back with a wheel missing, it has a very very dark vertical stabilizer with a white serial, makes me think it is PC10, the underwings appear to be CDL as they are very light and the fuselage doping is not as dark as the tail looks like possibly PC12. The other G100's between December 1916 and April 1917 have a mixture of a CDL and a darker doping, but on these aircraft the serial is in black but still easily visible. What is the chance that is PC12? Are black serials easily visible on PC12? 7472 went through a mix of CDL/PC12? until by the time it was captured and ended up in Turkish Markings it was all over CDL. It looks like by about April 1 AFC, 14 RFC and X Aircraft park converted all the G100's to all over CDL. Wonder why they standardized like that. cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:00:54 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rogues Message-ID: >>:-) I think we've hit a new benchmark for oddity. Pictures of someone >>being made a priest, to be placed in a Rogue's Gallery. ;-) >> >>Sharon >> >Only until we can get a picture of someone making out with a priest... > >DB :-) Brat.... I have a photo of me being kissed by my husband afterwards, while I'm still fully vested from the ceremony... does that count? ;-) Obligatory WW1 content: can anyone direct me to some really good close-in shots of a well-detailed Albatros cockpit, in-period or a model? I am amazingly inspired by an early 1900's truck model on Shane's club site.... I wanna do something that cool on my Albatros. Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:11:58 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rogues Message-ID: At Monday, 15 May 2000, you wrote: >Is it a Priest becoming a rogue, or rogue becoming a priest, that is the >question ;) Yes. :-) Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:22:46 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 Message-ID: At Monday, 15 May 2000, you wrote: >I'm sorry Ray, I think that I meant King Solomon! (Herod was the >jackass, right, and Solomon was the baby-chopper, yes?) Yes, both Herods turned out to be jackasses in a way; Herod the Great was the one who ordered all male infants under the age of two executed in hopes of offing the newborn Messiah (note to all "wisemen" visiting kings on their way to see Messiahs: DON'T Tell the King he'll be supplanted by this King of Kings... gets a reaction you weren't expecting. ..) and Herod Antipas, who was King of Judea when Jesus was a grown- up, killed John the Baptist, and refused to pardon Jesus. Wheee. .. Solomon only OFFERED to chop a baby in half, so that the real mum would reveal herself by doing anything to save her child -- even give it up to the lying impostor mum, rather than see the baby die. Smart guy.... As to Voss' color scheme, didn't someone mention a while back that colors show up differently on old b&w film? We had a long discussion back then about it, and how it could well have been yellow, since that color can come up dark, esp. on glass-plate negatives. Witness many photos of American Civil War cavalrymen from both sides, who look as if their yellow stripes and pipings and collars/cuffs are dark, because of how they photographed.... But I'm a proponent of the olive cowl myself. (Sounds like an order of Knighthood: The Order of the Olive Cowl....) The red version alluded to some time back by someone, is the scheme of the not-full- size tripe at Rhinebeck: Fokker factory finish streaky-green, with a red cowl and the Japanese kite scowling face. Scowl, cowl.... hmmmm.... ;-) Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:29:30 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss Dr-1 Message-ID: <92.4c50fcb.26517fea@aol.com> Here are some further ideas to consider about the color of the cowl on the Voss F.1 (Let's remember it *isn't* a Dr.I): 1. Photos of the aircraft usually show a significantly light laminate in the propellor with a highly contrasted dark laminate - Photos 84 & 85 p.32-33 ) in the Windsock "v. R. Flying Circus" in particular. 2. Light colored woods in propellers are normally in the tan/yellow range - they would appear very dark on ortho film, with little contrast to the darker red / brown laminate, although red is also darkened in ortho film. 3. Some of the Jasta 10 Pfalz aircraft with "dark" cowls also have "solid" dark color appearing props - these conform to the yellow/ortho thesis. 4. If the Voss cowl is yellow - explain the light wood in the prop ! Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:03:59 GMT From: "Candice Uhlir" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Scale Vacuforms Message-ID: <20000515170359.29746.qmail@hotmail.com> I build a Sierra Scale Vac of the AEG4 as my first VAC. It went very well. Their kits are well made, use quality plastic, are easy to seperate from their sheets....it was a lot of fun doing it. Just be prepared to use some aftermarket parts for cockpits, engines,k struts, etc. Candice >From: "chrisjpb" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Sierra Scale Vacuforms >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 06:59:14 -0400 (EDT) > >Hello, > >Has anybody out there built any WWI kits from this company? I have not had >much experience building vacuform kits but would like to try their 1/48 >Hansa Brandenberg D.1 kit. I would appreciate greatly any comments anyone >may have on this subject. TIA. >Sincerely, >Chris Bernique > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:25:18 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: More images Message-ID: <200005151727.NAA13601@pease1.sr.unh.edu> David Calhoun sent me images of his SVA-5 and a neat "forced perspective diorama". Those are now up and his page modified into the "new" format. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:55:58 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Scale Vacuforms Message-ID: Howdy! >Has anybody out there built any WWI kits from this company? I have cut several out and one is nearing completion. I have a very high opinion of Sierra Scale. As far as vacs are concerned this brand is among the best. The fuselage halves match up and he uses nice thick plastic. So far all of his kits I have seen appear to be very buildable. I am going to do the big Fredrichshaven one of these days on a dare! The Hansa-Brandenburg C.I is also tempting. Give it a shot! There is plenty of vac advice to be found on this list. Brent ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2342 **********************