WWI Digest 2325 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Online Model Build idea by Allan Wright 2) Re: Teuton bashing, was Slow list so new thread.. by Allan Wright 3) Re: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . by "Matt Bailey" 4) Re: Online Model Build idea by Mark Miller 5) Re: Alb Schemes by Otisgood@aol.com 6) Albatros by "Dale Beamish" 7) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 8) Alb Interior by "Dale Beamish" 9) Re: Fokker DII Coverage in Mini/Special DF by "Lance Krieg" 10) Albatros Interiors Again by "Dale Beamish" 11) Re: Region 5 Report by "Lance Krieg" 12) Re: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . by "Lance Krieg" 13) Re: Region 5 Report by "Matt Bittner" 14) RE: Alb Schemes by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 15) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by "laskodi" 16) RE: Voss' Dr.1 by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 17) Re: Voss' Dr.1 by "DAVID BURKE" 18) RE: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 19) Re: Online Model Build idea by smperry@mindspring.com 20) Re: Online Model Build idea by smperry@mindspring.com 21) Re: I need encouragement by bucky@ptdprolog.net 22) Re boche by "Tom Werner Hansen" 23) Re: Re boche by "Karl Otto Titzlinger" 24) New Photos by Allan Wright 25) Re: Re boche by KarrArt@aol.com 26) More web goodies by Allan Wright 27) Re: Re boche by Allan Wright 28) Re: Voss' Dr.1 by Otisgood@aol.com 29) Re: I need encouragement by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 30) Re: I need encouragement by Lee Mensinger 31) RE: Online Model Build idea by "dfernet0" 32) Re: I need encouragement by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 33) Re: I need encouragement by Lee Mensinger 34) Re: Re boche by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:23:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <200005091223.IAA05713@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > My Eduard Albatros D.Va (1/72) built as Sigmanns starry machine will be > reviewed on my club pages by the end of next weekend. > > http://www.geocities.com/rsm_brisbane > > The site is more or less brand new so there's a load of work to be done, but > the link to Alans site was the first I gave to our webmaster. Thanks for the link - Yous guys are the greatest! =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Teuton bashing, was Slow list so new thread.. Message-ID: <200005091234.IAA05783@pease1.sr.unh.edu> ENOUGH!!! THIS IS NOT MODELING RELATED! Please end this thread immediately. > Subject: Re: Teuton bashing, was Slow list so new thread.. =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 05:48:25 -0700 From: "Matt Bailey" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . Message-ID: Thanks to each one of you who responded. I've got some more ideas to think about now. The control horns on my Spad's WILL survive the rigging process or else . . . :) Thanks, Matt Bailey --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 9 May 2000 06:32:08 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <20000509133208.1034.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi I was thinking it might be fun if I did mine in CAD. I've got good structural reference in the Smithstonian book and that eliptical cross section fuse would render out nice. I started a file years ago but never realy went anywhere with it. And it might work nice - I certainly could use the help on my side - and the images I render out might help someone else which seems to follow in the spirtit of things. Has anyone thought of stuff like "pacing" - I'm not sure I can keep up So - looking for feedback - what do you think? Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:58:46 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Alb Schemes Message-ID: <96.4859367.26497396@aol.com> I agree. And it includes DVs and DVa's. The more obscure the better. This is an opportunity to see schemes modeled that we don't normally see. Otis In a message dated Tue, 9 May 2000 8:18:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Dale Beamish" writes: << If I have a vote I would say any version. Austrian or German Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 09 May, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: Re: Alb Schemes > Pardon me for sound not entirely connected, but is this Albatros D.Vs, or > Albatri? i.e., any kind of Albatros? I say this with an OAW Albatros > sitting here for the longest time, I think I have run across a scheme in the > Osprey book, so I could include it with the Veltjens D.V > > LMK > > Tom Cleaver > >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:37:36 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Albatros Message-ID: <000701bfb9c4$21d99760$5b2fb8a1@darcy> O.K. lets kick this thing off. Where are some good sites to see close ups of the Mercedes engine? What about the Daimler engine for the Austrian version? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:39:07 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: Hello Witold, Thank you very much for taking the time to research Friedrich Navratil for me. I will enjoy sharing this information with my co-worker. Have a good one! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:40:05 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Alb Interior Message-ID: <000d01bfb9c4$79ea73c0$5b2fb8a1@darcy> I have some good interior shots if anyone wants them. Please so we don't clog the list .... E-Mail me off list and I'll be glad to send them. I'll be away this morning but will be back this afternoon and evening to address any inquiries. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:52:01 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Fokker DII Coverage in Mini/Special DF Message-ID: Stef asks about the Datafile sprecial's: "... usefulness with respect to coverage of the prototype's landing gear suspension and wing-warping mechanisms?" I can't recall the undercarriage at the moment, but the wing-warping and rigging are well illustrated. IIRC, this book has a number of good clear photos. Do you want specifics? LMK and I'll check them out for you tonight. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:57:37 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Albatros Interiors Again Message-ID: <002501bfb9c6$ec3199c0$5b2fb8a1@darcy> I was a bit misleading in my last message. I have good references for the DV/DVa series. I'm not sure what I've got for the DIII. I'll have to look. I'm sure someone out there has some though ... Again off list please. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:05:28 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Region 5 Report Message-ID: Matt has been kind in reporting my success, but modestly neglected to mention his own - winning the 1/72 WWI with his MoS AI. IIRC, all of the models mentioned are already photographed and on-line - my three on Allan's site, and Matt's in the latest Internet Modeler. The contest was well-attended and run, suffering only from a relative lack of OT entrants. Matt B.and Glen needed to enter their stuff... and I never got to meet Ken. Steve Hustad's 15 German two-seaters were worth the trip. I will be in Dallas with CSM's W.12, prepared to buy drinks for every list member who shows up. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:23:08 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . Message-ID: Matt asks: "How do you keep photo etched control horns down on the back wing and the tail of a kit?" [when you rig with monofilament] Just to elaborate on my own technique that uses wire for the control horns, even though the rest is invisible thread: My big complaint about monofilament is that it wants to "bend" over protrusions like control horns, producing a curve rather than a sharp angle. I've tried to crimp the stuff to induce the angles desired, but with limited success. Therefore I began to use short straight runs of wire for those features, and leave the monofilament for the inter-wing bracing. A major exception are those planes - like Sopwiths or Nieuports - that have long, external control runs along the fuselage. If one uses wire for these features, an errant finger gripping the model will dent or bend the wire and ruin the effect. On these types, I have learned to use monofilament, firmly seating one end within the fuselage, and securing the piece at the top of the control horn with white glue. This imparts some "give", so a minor bump will spring back, and a major one will separate the thread at the horn. It is then a simple matter of washing off the excess white glue, and reattaching the thread. The weak link, or failure point, is transfered from the horn to the horn/thread attachment; an easier and less obtrusive "fix". Does this help? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:19:06 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Region 5 Report Message-ID: <200005091531.LAA06885@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Tue, 9 May 2000 11:10:52 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote: > IIRC, all of the models mentioned are already photographed and on-line - my three on Allan's site, and Matt's in the latest Internet Modeler. Thanks, Lance! BTW, I have uploaded one digital image of Hustad's two-seater display area. Check out: http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook/regional.html And click on "Display". Unfortunately this digital pic does *not* do his models justice. If I had the camera - and the time - I would have photographed each and every one. They are awesome indeed! MEB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:18:01 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Alb Schemes Message-ID: Talking about schemes, can anybody advise me if Loerzer's D.III and D.V had any personal badges on their black-white stripped fuselages? There are two photos in "In Action" but they don't reveal boards. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:47:13 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: <000901bfb9cd$d8c84120$153819d0@laskodi> Hi Brent & Witold In a few weeks (2-3) my build of the Blue Max Alb D.3 OEF will be on the Modeling Madness Webzine. The plane was built as Navratil's and I used a lot of the history that Witold provided (also gave Witold credit for the history). So in a few weeks you guys might want to check it out along with your friend. Thanks Witold (hope I spelled your name right!) -----Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? > > Hello Witold, > > Thank you very much for taking the time to research Friedrich Navratil for > me. I will enjoy sharing this information with my co-worker. > > Have a good one! > > Brent > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:17:58 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Voss' Dr.1 Message-ID: Hmm... May be we have to solve the colour question using most democratic way: voting ;-) But seriously I bet that the cowling was olive green. I have at least four arguments for that: 1. The cowling looks really very dark even assuming orthochromatic film was used. 2. I have read somewhere (may be on the list) the report made by British commision from the Voss crash site, and the report described cowling as green. Can anybody confirm that? 3. Voss was granted with one of pre-production F.Is for trials and it could be left without any application of Jasta colour. 4. Remember that Voss painted WHITE face details on the cowling. If the cowling was yellow and if I were Voss I would paint dark details instead. Tom P.S.: I realise that this thread is boring to the pain but as I am rather new list member I would like to add my own .02 ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:52:58 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Voss' Dr.1 Message-ID: <000e01bfb9ce$a894f880$5495aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Guy, Ya see, I knew that this would be a drag to get into as this has already been dragged about as much as the the true value of $^&*(&$ red on MvR's tripe. I realize that Voss' machine was pre-production, indicated especially by the lack of the runners under the wingtips. Your arguement for olive on the cowl is well made. However, I doubt that many planes were ever delivered with Jasta colors - that was usually applied by the ground crew. Alex Imrie is for chrome yellow. I like this, as after I looked at my pics last night, the cowling is actually DARKER than the darkest olive streaking on the fuselage. Oh, I would have probably painted dark details on a yellow cowl too, but I'm not Voss! My big question is about the wheel covers. Olive or yellow? DB -----Original Message----- From: Tomasz Gronczewski To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Voss' Dr.1 >Hmm... > >May be we have to solve the colour question using most democratic way: >voting ;-) > >But seriously I bet that the cowling was olive green. I have at least four >arguments for that: > >1. The cowling looks really very dark even assuming orthochromatic film was >used. >2. I have read somewhere (may be on the list) the report made by British >commision from the Voss crash site, and the report described cowling as >green. Can anybody confirm that? >3. Voss was granted with one of pre-production F.Is for trials and it could >be left without any application of Jasta colour. >4. Remember that Voss painted WHITE face details on the cowling. If the >cowling was yellow and if I were Voss I would paint dark details instead. > >Tom > >P.S.: I realise that this thread is boring to the pain but as I am rather >new list member I would like to add my own .02 ;-) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:17:56 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . Message-ID: > Interesting, I've never had that problem, must be lucky. > First, I always leave a little stub on the bottom of the horn. Then I drill > all the way through the wing with a drill just a hair larger than the stub. I have just finished Nieuport 17 and have managed to glue horns even without leaving the stubs nor drilling the plastic. They stay there like nails. I worked hardly over the horns with 0.006 fishing line and they all survived without any damage. I think that the secret is hidden in the type of CA glue you are using. I have noticed that the quality of the glues varies very much. I do not know what types of CA glues are available in your country, but here in Poland I can state that the glue called "Superglue" belongs to the worst brand, as well as other glue called "Cyjanopan". They are good enough for plastic and resin but they poorly adhese to brass. American "Bondini II" is much better, but Irish Loctite glue labeled "SuperAtak" is simply unbeaten. You can glue 0.01 brass wire to the model and hang it using that. If I were you, I would buy all CA assortment in the closest supermarket and try the glues out one after another :-) Greets Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:28:09 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <00e301bfb9d3$90b3be40$bc0156d1@default> Well I see an A-H Albatros D.II pictured in the Profile Publications D.I - D.III (#127 p.4). This baby has wire wheels and riffled metal cowling including a shroud around the engine. CDL & Wood scheme with A-H all black crosses applied mid wing panel. I is in luuve. Can I participate if I build my Toms Modelworks D.II Vac lke this plane? Variety of technique was mentioned. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:43:40 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <00e901bfb9d5$bb72d1a0$bc0156d1@default> Come to give the Toms kit a good squizzy and it has the engine shroud piece! And well done at that. Also the metal engine is the same length as the Glencoe and hence more nearly to scale. Caption says the plane in question was an OFEG built D.II. Anyone know more about it. Profile 127 p.4. sp > Well I see an A-H Albatros D.II pictured in the Profile Publications D.I - > D.III (#127 p.4). This baby has wire wheels and riffled metal cowling > including a shroud around the engine. CDL & Wood scheme with A-H all black > crosses applied mid wing panel. > > I is in luuve. > > Can I participate if I build my Toms Modelworks D.II Vac lke this plane? > Variety of technique was mentioned. > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:59:43 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I need encouragement Message-ID: <3911AC7F.87F1672B@ptdprolog.net> Mark Miller wrote: But most importantly - go to sleep. > I find the vast majority of my screw-ups happen after 11:00. Amen to that. Invariably, I screw up two minutes after I should have quit and gone to bed.I also find walking away for a few days helps. I usually have 2 planes going at once, so I'll just shift to the other one. Funny how, when you come back, the thing that bedeviled you for so long slips right into place.....only to be replaced, of course, by another insurmountable problem. Mike Muth nb: 1/48 Nieuport 24 bis & 1/48 Jacob's Triplane nu: 1/48 Albatros D-III from Jasta 5....the one with blue & white diamonds on the tailfin & rudder and a blue/white/blue band across the fuselage. Seen on the front on Albatros Special. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:58:42 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re boche Message-ID: <000001bfb9dc$46122080$4ce8d9c1@default> In a message dated 5/7/00 3:49:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << << What about Boche? Sounds French, but does it mean 'German' in a literal translation, or something else - sort of what 'Kraut' came to mean in the U.S? >> It's French, the exact translation of which I have never heard, but it's not complimentary. Tom Cleaver >> Old French "caboce"- head....related to "cabbage" Just happened to have the etymological dictionary out! RK My dictionaries beg to differ: "boche" short form of alboche=allemand. pop. and pej. (I guess both pop and pej mean the same in Engl. as in Fr. I haven't found "alboche" in any dictionaries, though. I like RK's better, though, caboce = head (especially if you think of a naval "head") Tom W ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:44:41 GMT From: "Karl Otto Titzlinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re boche Message-ID: <20000509174441.540.qmail@hotmail.com> Boche was (and still is) a major manufacturing company. During WW1 if a piece of German equipment didn't have Krupps stamped on it then it was probably marked Boche. So, in the same way the American soldier of a later war became the GI, the "Ally Men" were known as the Boche afaik ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:51:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: New Photos Message-ID: <200005091751.NAA08041@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi everyone, Again sorry for all the admin posts. Here is a good one though: Gabriel Limon has sent in some photos of his latest effort. A sharply done Pfalz D-III. They are on his gallery page. The links for the images at the bottom of the page are being repaired now. I inadvertantly overwrote his old photos when uploading the new ones since they had the same filenames. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:03:41 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re boche Message-ID: In a message dated 5/9/00 10:32:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tomwerner.hansen@c2i.net writes: << My dictionaries beg to differ: "boche" short form of alboche=allemand. pop. and pej. (I guess both pop and pej mean the same in Engl. as in Fr. I haven't found "alboche" in any dictionaries, though. I like RK's better, though, caboce = head (especially if you think of a naval "head") Tom W >> My dictionary has "alboche" as an old form, being most likely a combination of "al" for allemand+ the boche/boce skull/head/cabbage word. We may both be right! RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:09:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: More web goodies Message-ID: <200005091809.OAA08255@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I'm doing my pennance for all the complaining :-) David Burke's next installment of Camel build pictures have been added to his camel page. Enjoy! Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:12:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re boche Message-ID: <200005091812.OAA08335@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Another NON WWI MODELING thread? Please make it stop. -Allan > > In a message dated 5/9/00 10:32:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > tomwerner.hansen@c2i.net writes: > > << > My dictionaries beg to differ: > "boche" short form of alboche=allemand. pop. and pej. (I guess both pop and > pej mean the same in Engl. as in Fr. > I haven't found "alboche" in any dictionaries, though. > I like RK's better, though, caboce = head (especially if you think of a > naval "head") > > Tom W >> > > My dictionary has "alboche" as an old form, being most likely a combination > of "al" for allemand+ the boche/boce skull/head/cabbage word. We may both be > right! > RK > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:38:21 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss' Dr.1 Message-ID: <7e.4a69622.2649b51d@aol.com> Perhaps the answer is in the degree of contrast that would be present between the white markings on a yellow cowl vs an olive one. Or would it have made a difference in the photos? Otis In a message dated Tue, 9 May 2000 12:01:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "DAVID BURKE" writes: << Hi Guy, Ya see, I knew that this would be a drag to get into as this has already been dragged about as much as the the true value of $^&*(&$ red on MvR's tripe. I realize that Voss' machine was pre-production, indicated especially by the lack of the runners under the wingtips. Your arguement for olive on the cowl is well made. However, I doubt that many planes were ever delivered with Jasta colors - that was usually applied by the ground crew. Alex Imrie is for chrome yellow. I like this, as after I looked at my pics last night, the cowling is actually DARKER than the darkest olive streaking on the fuselage. Oh, I would have probably painted dark details on a yellow cowl too, but I'm not Voss! My big question is about the wheel covers. Olive or yellow? DB -----Original Message----- From: Tomasz Gronczewski To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Voss' Dr.1 >Hmm... > >May be we have to solve the colour question using most democratic way: >voting ;-) > >But seriously I bet that the cowling was olive green. I have at least four >arguments for that: > >1. The cowling looks really very dark even assuming orthochromatic film was >used. >2. I have read somewhere (may be on the list) the report made by British >commision from the Voss crash site, and the report described cowling as >green. Can anybody confirm that? >3. Voss was granted with one of pre-production F.Is for trials and it could >be left without any application of Jasta colour. >4. Remember that Voss painted WHITE face details on the cowling. If the >cowling was yellow and if I were Voss I would paint dark details instead. > >Tom > >P.S.: I realise that this thread is boring to the pain but as I am rather >new list member I would like to add my own .02 ;-) > >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:15:00 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I need encouragement Message-ID: (SNIP) And I am out of beer. > > David, clearly I'm not drinking enough when I model. . . just saw the new Camel shots on Allan's site and I have gone a lovely shade of albatros green. I am in awe. Lovely job on the prop, though the handcarved turbine prop makes me doubt your sanity ;-) All I can say is yummy yummy. . .can't wait to get started on some of my larger scale kites.....hmmm, Voss Dr1 in 28th or a DVIII in 24th? The pictures are truly inspiring. Mark V-J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:09:48 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, lemen@wireweb.net Subject: Re: I need encouragement Message-ID: <3918627C.9240E0AD@wireweb.net> May I ask please? Who makes a 1/24th D VIII. I don't seem to have that information available. Lee M lemen@wireweb.net Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > (SNIP) > And I am out of beer. > > > > > David, > clearly I'm not drinking enough when I model. . . > just saw the new Camel shots on Allan's site and I have gone a lovely shade > of albatros green. I am in awe. > Lovely job on the prop, though the handcarved turbine prop makes me doubt > your sanity ;-) > All I can say is yummy yummy. . .can't wait to get started on some of my > larger scale kites.....hmmm, Voss Dr1 in 28th or a DVIII in 24th? > > The pictures are truly inspiring. > > Mark V-J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:16:14 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <00f401bfb9eb$0b717020$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> OK! I'm into this online Albatros craze! I'll build a DIII Pegasus. Let me check wich decals I can get for it and I'll declare the subject on the list. I have to give a use to all those Americals I bought at Pensacola! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:53:02 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I need encouragement Message-ID: Lee wrote: >May I ask please? Who makes a 1/24th D VIII. I don't seem to have that >information available. Lee M lemen@wireweb.net > It's the old Marcos Miniatures Multimedia kit. I picked it and a couple others from a fellow listee. Vacform fuselage and wings, white metal interior etc and loz decals from Blue Print models I think?? I'm trying to find another source for the decals as these ones (plus those for a DVII and a Alb DV in the same scale) are damaged. Mark V-J. . .still a sucker for big kits if anyone wants to unload 'em :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:33:41 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Mark Vaughan-Jackson Subject: Re: I need encouragement Message-ID: <39186814.63B5D157@wireweb.net> The main reason I am interested in a large scale D-VIII is really a bit simple. I have been around a full size E-V for more than a year and I thought might like to get one in 1/24-1/28 scale. I have a few pictures of it on the photo and graphics section of the list site, under my name. Lee Mensinger The 1/1 now resides in the Museum at Fort Rucker Alabama. It will be, probably, a passing interest since it is for all purposes it is about unavailable. Lee M. Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > Lee wrote: >May I ask please? Who makes a 1/24th D VIII. I don't seem to > have that > >information available. Lee M lemen@wireweb.net > > > It's the old Marcos Miniatures Multimedia kit. I picked it and a couple > others from a fellow listee. > Vacform fuselage and wings, white metal interior etc and loz decals from > Blue Print models I think?? > I'm trying to find another source for the decals as these ones (plus those > for a DVII and a Alb DV in the same scale) are damaged. > > Mark V-J. . .still a sucker for big kits if anyone wants to unload 'em :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:06:07 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Re boche Message-ID: <000a01bfb9f2$1408abc0$7787aec7@dora9sprynet.com> My fault Allan,, However, it was asked along with trying to find out about Sanke cards, as they appear to figure into the research of the subjects at hand, and that I was also curious about what the meaning was. SO, as that is verboten, I reckon that I won't mention Over the Front (no info on models there), Windsock, or anything else except for Fine Scale Modeller and SAMI. DB -who is starting to get peeved as he's getting nailed for historical questions and subjects totally pertinent to the subject period. -----Original Message----- From: Allan Wright To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Re boche > >Another NON WWI MODELING thread? Please make it stop. > >-Allan >> >> In a message dated 5/9/00 10:32:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> tomwerner.hansen@c2i.net writes: >> >> << >> My dictionaries beg to differ: >> "boche" short form of alboche=allemand. pop. and pej. (I guess both pop and >> pej mean the same in Engl. as in Fr. >> I haven't found "alboche" in any dictionaries, though. >> I like RK's better, though, caboce = head (especially if you think of a >> naval "head") >> >> Tom W >> >> >> My dictionary has "alboche" as an old form, being most likely a combination >> of "al" for allemand+ the boche/boce skull/head/cabbage word. We may both be >> right! >> RK >> > > >=========================================================================== ==== >Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ >University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- >Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu >=========================================================================== ==== ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2325 **********************