WWI Digest 2322 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . by "DAVID BURKE" 2) Raising an old ghost.... by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: Off-Topic posts by Allan Wright 4) Re: Raising an old ghost.... by "Dale Beamish" 5) Penance by Sharon Henderson 6) Re: Penance by Allan Wright 7) Re: Penance by "Matt Bittner" 8) Re: Up-dated pics by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: Up-dated pics by Albatrosdv@aol.com 10) Page update by "Matt Bittner" 11) BM's D.H.2 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 12) Re: WWI digest 2320 by "Len Smith" 13) Re: Page update by Allan Wright 14) Re: Online Model Build idea by Mark Miller 15) Re: Three Strutters by "Len Smith" 16) Re: Raising an old ghost.... by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: BM's D.H.2 by "laskodi" 18) Re: Online Model Build idea by Brent & Tina Theobald 19) Re: Teuton bashing, was Slow list so new thread.. by Mark Miller 20) Re: Online Model Build idea by Zulis@aol.com 21) Re: Teuton bashing, was Slow list so new thread.. by Steve Cox 22) Re: WWI digest 2320 by smperry@mindspring.com 23) Re: Online Model Build idea by "Dale Beamish" 24) Re: Online Model Build idea by "Dale Beamish" 25) Re: Online Model Build idea by "Dale Beamish" 26) Re: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . by smperry@mindspring.com 27) Re: BM's D.H.2 by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:30:46 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . Message-ID: <004501bfb8fa$015d74e0$d995aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Uhh, Matt, How much tension are you puttin' on those lines there, Buddy? For 1/48 I usually use surgical wire (it's already straight), or nylon coat thread (the darker stuff). It will probably work better than fishing line and it's available at the local fabric store. DB -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bailey To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 8:56 AM Subject: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . >. . . I got a question for you! > >How do you keep photo etched control horns down >on the back wing and the tail of a kit? I used super glue to hold them down on Eduard's Nieuport, but most of the horns collapsed. I was thinking about epoxy, but it would seem like you would have to use so much that the results would not be very pleasant to look at. > >I talked with Lance at the regional and he uses a combination of invisible thread (if I'm not mistaken) and wire. So maybe I could use wire for the horns so there would be any tension on them (thanks for the tip, lance). > >Anyone else have any suggestions? I've got a couple of DML Spads that I will be rigging soon I don't want to have the same thing happen that did on my Nieuport. > >Thanks, > >Matt Bailey > > >--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- >Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:39:34 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Raising an old ghost.... Message-ID: <006e01bfb8fb$3c031400$d995aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Kids, Well, this is a question from the 'he had to ask' file. I know that it's something that we all discussed not 6 months ago. It is a painful topic, one not best discussed in polite company. One that will curl your hair, curve your spine, and might even cause America to lose the war. I feel bad about even asking this one, as I know that I'll probably get yelled at by somebody. But I swear, I have forgotten the answer, so I need to ask: What is the generally accepted scheme for Werner Voss' Dr.1? Yellow cowl or olivegrun? DB (Bracing for impact) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:57:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: Ray_Boorman@telus.net, wwi Subject: Re: Off-Topic posts Message-ID: <200005081457.KAA29517@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Since I started the OT thread that spawned a certain person getting to the > point of spouting off what we up here would call "Hate mail", I feel I > should sincerely apologize. My thread was to find out why certain tactics in > wwi were used by the British. unfortunately it got de-railed. Thanks for the appology. Tactics would definately be an off-topic post best for other forums. You're forgiven. Pennance is correcting the Airfix Dr-I. > I should also add I was not entirely sure my topic was completely OT, I mean > talking about aircraft of the period is OT but is the underlying history > relating to the use etc. I wouldnt mind your oppinion on that since I may > inadvertently have opened the door for an obvious post by someone. We need to keep the talk MODELING related. If you are discussing an historic photo to justify a color scheme, or talking about field operations to figure out in-field condition of a particular airframe then that is OK. Speaking of WWI air tactics is not a topic that is modeling related. > Anyway again I do applogise. i would send this to the list, but I feel it > could be used for another diatribe. Btw you are free to forward this email > if you see fit. Thanks I think it would help the list to see my comments. -Al > Regards Ray Boorman > PS I guess we both lost out on the Junkers DI over the weekend ;( Well, I bid what I was willing to pay. Someone wanted it worse than I did (or I guess WE did) =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:53:38 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Raising an old ghost.... Message-ID: <002d01bfb8fd$32d01e80$152bb8a1@darcy> Just when the waters calmed down eh? Before list I did one with pale blue base coat with a silver-gray streaking to the top surfaces. With a deep RED cowl! Not accurate but it sure shows off the cowl markings! Now if I was to do another I would do it yellow. Leaning towards the Jasta marking I guess. Just can't let myself believe in an olive cowl for the epic dogfight! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 08 May, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Raising an old ghost.... > Hey Kids, > > Well, this is a question from the 'he had to ask' file. I know that > it's something that we all discussed not 6 months ago. > > It is a painful topic, one not best discussed in polite company. One > that will curl your hair, curve your spine, and might even cause America to > lose the war. > > I feel bad about even asking this one, as I know that I'll probably get > yelled at by somebody. But I swear, I have forgotten the answer, so I need > to ask: > > > > > What is the generally accepted scheme for Werner Voss' Dr.1? Yellow cowl or > olivegrun? > > > DB > > (Bracing for impact) > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:25:55 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Penance Message-ID: At Monday, 8 May 2000, Allan Wright wrote: >Thanks for the apology. Tactics would definately be an off-topic post >best for other forums. You're forgiven. Pennance is correcting the Airfix >Dr-I. I thought assigning penance was my new job. :-) Everything went well Thurs., and there will be pix soon. Obligatory on-topic content: IS there any way to correct the Airfix Dr-I? Do we have anything in the archives about it? Sharon, Back on Earth with Both Feet (pretty much) and realizing she has an Airfix Dr. I in the Queue.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:38:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Penance Message-ID: <200005081538.LAA29743@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Obligatory on-topic content: IS there any way to correct the Airfix > Dr-I? Do we have anything in the archives about it? Drop the Chalupa! Put down the Airfix kit and walk away! No really....Put down the Airfix kit and walk away! At LEAST buy the Revell if you are going to go low-end on this model. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:38:35 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Penance Message-ID: <20000508153711.EBLG25972.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@npng-mbittner> On Mon, 8 May 2000 11:34:30 -0400 (EDT), Sharon Henderson wrote: > Obligatory on-topic content: IS there any way to correct the Airfix > Dr-I? Do we have anything in the archives about it? Sure! The easiest way is to replace all parts with those taken from the Hawkeye Dr.I. Or wait until the Eduard comes out, then replace all parts with the Eduard Dr.I (assuming it's accurate). ;-) MEB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:20:53 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Up-dated pics Message-ID: <31.4c9c686.26484365@aol.com> In a message dated 5/7/00 8:49:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << this was all an experiment, and for me it came out better then I thought it would... Peter >> It looks great! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:51:19 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Up-dated pics Message-ID: <7f.40ad234.26484a87@aol.com> Thanks, Peter, you are definitely making me put effort into my two Hanriots. The floatplane is ready for final assembly and the landplane ready for painting. And you also convinced me to do that Italian "star." So double-thanks!! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:00:43 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Page update Message-ID: <200005081702.NAA00250@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I just uploaded Charles Duckworth's modified model pages. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:15:16 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: BM's D.H.2 Message-ID: <8.4b04beb.26485024@aol.com> Well, just for the helluvit (OK, I just couldn't keep my mitts off it) I detached the wings and tail from their trees. The connections are a bit thick and will have to be carefully filed down. That said... I don't know where I got the idea this is not a good kit - I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but it must have been on Mars or something, because this kit is at least as good as the Camel and the S.E.5a. It is definitely 7 times better than the SMER (which I have), and worth the price. The wings and tail alone are worth the extra price - nice and thin, with surface detail like the Camel and S.E.5a wings (right in other words). I do think that the SMER decals might be superior, these are pretty thick compared with the usual BM offering (which makes the investment in that kit pay off). Referring to the Squadron "In Action" book - something I am glad I have when fiddling with this - the model will be a late-production D.H.2, though the pictures don't indicate doing an earlier one would be that hard. If it's true that SMO has found and bought the remainder of these kits, I can definitely say if you run across one, pick it up - or even order one from them. With the caveat that you will need to watch the wing ripple, if you avoid that you have a good basis for an excellent model here. And now I am going to put it aside and finish the Hanriots, and on to the Spads, and now I am going to put it aside and... Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:51:56 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 2320 Message-ID: <000301bfb917$2570d080$804f08c3@mesh> Jon, The Scaleplanes Dufaux fighter is an extremely old kit, in fact it was the first produced by them under their own name way back in the mists of time. Your best hope of finding one is to visit every contest (with vendors) in your area, along with all jumble sales, car boot sales and country house auctions. Best of luck. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 4:57 AM Subject: Re: WWI digest 2320 > In a message dated 5/7/2000 10:56:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > > << placed my order with Lubos for my > >SPAD A.2. >> > Yes Dave it is 1/48, and I cannot wait to see it. I really enjoyed SP's > Daufaux Fighter, it's looks to be a very interesting subject. Now where to > get the kit,even if it is 1/72 ,any ideas people? Thanks for the help. > > Best regards, > Jon > Jon V. Theisen > 7532 Lawndale Ave. > Phila., PA 19111-2706 > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:07:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Page update Message-ID: <200005081807.OAA00578@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I just uploaded Charles Duckworth's modified model pages. Nice as always! =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 8 May 2000 11:11:31 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <20000508181131.20505.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Mon, 08 May 2000, "Dale Beamish" wrote: > > I agree. An Albatros would be easy to acquire in either scale, An almost > endless array of schemes, a choice of versions, and a very good choice to > share our techniques. Imitating metal, wood, natural linen, lozenge, > different camo schemes.... Perhaps after they are done they could be posted. > A study in the Albatros as it were. Perhaps if things go well we could do > another subject later. Spad or Nieuport for instance, although I'm not sure > what's available in 72 scale. The same would apply to these as there are > different versions, finishes etc. I think it would be very educational if we > kept everyone informed of what we are doing as we go along! Not done as a > contest but as a sharing of techniques. I'm sure someone lurking would be > inclined to pick one up and give it a try. The more people we have involved > in WW1 A/C the better for all of us! Perhaps keep final schemes secret? > Count me in. Would be an interesting collection to be sure. > Dale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cameron rile > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: 08 May, 2000 8:09 AM > Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea > > > > >Count me in for something in 48th. . .albatros sounds tempting. > > > > Count me in too, I'll have a go, especially if everyone is sharing their > techniques and > > experiences in write ups in a centralised location. An Albatros sounds > good to me as well. > > > > The online model build is a nice inclusive idea. I like it. Sounds like fun And the choice of Albatros is perfect for me - great variety and I've almost finalised a swap where I get the PE parts to go with the Eduard DV kit I bought. Thought I saw someone suggest keeping schemes secret. Personally I think it would be more fun if everyone did a different scheme, I don't know if the reference is available but you could do a whole jasta. It might be an organisational nightmare tho Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:11:08 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Three Strutters Message-ID: <002501bfb919$16467360$625c08c3@mesh> Marc, On the Toko strutters as well as problems with the cabane struts not fitting correctly, watch out for the undercarriage legs, they are about 1/8th inch or so too long. You need to shorten them otherwise you get the a/c in a 'sit up and beg' position. Not very nice. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:51:08 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Raising an old ghost.... Message-ID: <008f01bfb91e$62d755a0$ab80aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Yeah, I remember there being someone who said that it was probably yellow because of the Jasta markings, but I couldn't remember. Thanks Dale! DB - Who is doing the Voss Tripe in 1/28 scale thanks to Revell and Copper State Models -----Original Message----- From: Dale Beamish To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Raising an old ghost.... >Just when the waters calmed down eh? Before list I did one with pale blue >base coat with a silver-gray streaking to the top surfaces. With a deep RED >cowl! Not accurate but it sure shows off the cowl markings! Now if I was to >do another I would do it yellow. Leaning towards the Jasta marking I guess. >Just can't let myself believe in an olive cowl for the epic dogfight! >Dale >----- Original Message ----- >From: DAVID BURKE >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: 08 May, 2000 8:51 AM >Subject: Raising an old ghost.... > > >> Hey Kids, >> >> Well, this is a question from the 'he had to ask' file. I know that >> it's something that we all discussed not 6 months ago. >> >> It is a painful topic, one not best discussed in polite company. One >> that will curl your hair, curve your spine, and might even cause America >to >> lose the war. >> >> I feel bad about even asking this one, as I know that I'll probably >get >> yelled at by somebody. But I swear, I have forgotten the answer, so I >need >> to ask: >> >> >> >> >> What is the generally accepted scheme for Werner Voss' Dr.1? Yellow cowl >or >> olivegrun? >> >> >> DB >> >> (Bracing for impact) >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:57:00 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: BM's D.H.2 Message-ID: <000b01bfb927$938fc840$3a3819d0@laskodi> I really like BM kits with one exception. That dreaded wing ripple. Is it present on the DH2? How bad is it? TIA -----Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 10:19 AM Subject: BM's D.H.2 > Well, just for the helluvit (OK, I just couldn't keep my mitts off it) I > detached the wings and tail from their trees. The connections are a bit > thick and will have to be carefully filed down. That said... > > I don't know where I got the idea this is not a good kit - I seem to remember > reading that somewhere, but it must have been on Mars or something, because > this kit is at least as good as the Camel and the S.E.5a. It is definitely 7 > times better than the SMER (which I have), and worth the price. The wings > and tail alone are worth the extra price - nice and thin, with surface detail > like the Camel and S.E.5a wings (right in other words). I do think that the > SMER decals might be superior, these are pretty thick compared with the usual > BM offering (which makes the investment in that kit pay off). > > Referring to the Squadron "In Action" book - something I am glad I have when > fiddling with this - the model will be a late-production D.H.2, though the > pictures don't indicate doing an earlier one would be that hard. > > If it's true that SMO has found and bought the remainder of these kits, I can > definitely say if you run across one, pick it up - or even order one from > them. With the caveat that you will need to watch the wing ripple, if you > avoid that you have a good basis for an excellent model here. > > And now I am going to put it aside and finish the Hanriots, and on to the > Spads, and now I am going to put it aside and... > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:22:20 -0500 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <391721FC.CC68419C@airmail.net> Are we going to do this? Aren't we going to need a ringleader? Perhaps keep a list of who is doing what aircraft so as to avoid duplication? I'm doing Stark's armored fist in 48th :) Seriously, I forget whose aircraft it is but my choice would be for the green and white striped D.V out of the Osprey Albatros book. I don't have a scale preference in case someone else "has" to do it in a certain scale. If the list wants to do this then lets get started. (Of course I would have voted for 1/72 and 1/48 Fredrichshavens from Sierra Scale). Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: 8 May 2000 13:42:44 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Teuton bashing, was Slow list so new thread.. Message-ID: <20000508204244.21048.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Sun, 07 May 2000, "DAVID BURKE" wrote: > Hmmm. > > If you look at the History of Europe in the 19th and 20th centuries, you > will actually find that the culprit in most of what went on war-wise was > ..... > > FRANCE. > > Or, a combination of France and Germany. > > The reason the Continent of Europe was fairly peaceful for 40 years > following the Franco-Prussian War was the deft maneuvering of Bismarck, who > determined to keep France isolated from European affairs. This policy was > rewarded with peace. This peace allowed Prussia (actually the united > Germany) to get on with the Industrialization of their society. Granted, > the huge French war reparation fouled up the German economy for years (go > figure), but the negation of France as a European power stabilized things. > > You can't just go after Prussians and Teutons and Bears, oh my. Germany had > Bismarck, and he will be remembered as being as great a European statesman > as Metternich and Talleyrand. > > > DB Hey David What a mess that turned into. I already sent an apologetic note to Dave Z. - I had no idea T.C. had got so nasty. as to the question of german/french culpability - point well taken As far as the french go - PLEASE don't get me started. Here's another subject that would piss off all kinds of people. One where I have an opinion which I would like to have challenged by someone knowledgable. and the dicussion on their military leadership would start out: "what happened to the french after Napoleon ? It seems to me they buried their head up their ass and never pulled it back out" Or something like that And actualy now that I think about it the Romans fought the French as well as the Germans it just they beat the french. anyways thanks for the inteligent response and would you happen to know of a good military history list. The ot content on Allen's list is obviously out of control. I've got a lot of rather generic and sometimes abstract questions which are obviuosly not appropriate here. Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:49:36 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: << my choice would be for the green and white striped D.V out of the Osprey Albatros book >> I am part-way through Goering's black/white Alb. DZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:57:31 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Teuton bashing, was Slow list so new thread.. Message-ID: Ernest Thomas wrote > > I also wonder what it would be like if the Britts had one the American > Revolution. I think you'd all be Canadians > And here's the rub. This just isn't the place for that. I know, I've been > guilty of bashing a certain nationality in the past. I was remined that we are > an international group, and I saw the light. I now keep my opinions to myself > on some matters. Good thing too, because I've got a head full of opinions > that would be sure to offend just about every subscriber on this list. For > instance, I HATE Canada. I hate their flag, I hate the way the land mass looks > on the map. I hate the "we're not Americans" implication of their sovereignty. > And I REALLY hate the fact that if a US citizen want's to drive to > Alaska, they have to go through Canada. > Otoh, I've yet to meet a Canadian that I didn't like, so I don't make my views > on Canada well known. :-) > BUt all joking aside, I don't dispute Toms conclusions, I just don't feel his > strongly biased personal feelings add any weight to his argument. All they can > do is alienate people who make worthwhile contributions to this group. > E. > Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:01:21 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 2320 Message-ID: <000701bfb930$913fa7a0$990956d1@default> Jon: Sorry to be late in answering. I got mine at a vendor's table. Like len says, They are fairly rare. sp > Jon, > The Scaleplanes Dufaux fighter is an extremely old kit, in fact it was the > first produced by them under their own name way back in the mists of time. > Your best hope of finding one is to visit every contest (with vendors) in > your area, along with all jumble sales, car boot sales and country house > auctions. Best of luck. > Regards Len. > > lensmith@clara.net > http://home.clara.net/lensmith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 4:57 AM > Subject: Re: WWI digest 2320 > > > > In a message dated 5/7/2000 10:56:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > > > > << placed my order with Lubos for my > > >SPAD A.2. >> > > Yes Dave it is 1/48, and I cannot wait to see it. I really enjoyed SP's > > Daufaux Fighter, it's looks to be a very interesting subject. Now where to > > get the kit,even if it is 1/72 ,any ideas people? Thanks for the help. > > > > Best regards, > > Jon > > Jon V. Theisen > > 7532 Lawndale Ave. > > Phila., PA 19111-2706 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:01:46 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <000b01bfb930$a1ab7380$4e2eb8a1@darcy> I'll do Ltn Hans Bohnings blue/white striped Ace of Spades frpom Bob's profile! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 08 May, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea > > > << my choice would be for the green and white striped D.V out of the Osprey > Albatros book >> > > I am part-way through Goering's black/white Alb. > > DZ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:04:52 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <001f01bfb931$0f89fa20$4e2eb8a1@darcy> Brent I think you mean Flashar's from Jasta 5? Dale > Are we going to do this? Aren't we going to need a ringleader? Perhaps keep a list of who is doing what aircraft so as to avoid duplication? I'm doing Stark's armored fist in 48th :) Seriously, I forget whose > aircraft it is but my choice would be for the green and white striped D.V out of the Osprey Albatros book. I don't have a scale preference in case someone else "has" to do it in a certain scale. > > If the list wants to do this then lets get started. (Of course I would have voted for 1/72 and 1/48 Fredrichshavens from Sierra Scale). > > Later! > > Brent > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:17:26 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Online Model Build idea Message-ID: <003701bfb932$d1091540$4e2eb8a1@darcy> >I don't know if the reference is available but you could do a whole jasta. > Mark There would be resources available if we did one of the Americal sheets for either Jastas 5, 12, or15. Jasta13 is mostly Fok. DVII. I'm not sure about Jasta 19's sheet. Anyone have it? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:22:44 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: For those rigging with thread, fishing line, etc. . . . Message-ID: <002301bfb933$8da5fec0$990956d1@default> > . . . I got a question for you! > > How do you keep photo etched control horns down > on the back wing and the tail of a kit? Got an answer for you. Drill a #80 hole all the way through the rudder or elevator, part way through an aileron surface. Do this exactly where you want the PE control horn. Now most PE horns are attached to the fret along the bottom edge. When cut from the fret there is a little brass nub sticking out from the flat base edge. A tiny bit of CA on the base of the horn and with tweezers, you place it with the nub of brass down into the hole. Matches up horns on both sides of a control surface exactly and keeps them from falling over while the CA sets. I rig with stretched sprue and stretch it fairly tight across the horn. This method gives the horn suficient strengh. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:29:51 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BM's D.H.2 Message-ID: <66.36d54a6.26488bcf@aol.com> In a message dated 5/8/00 2:57:57 PM EST, laskodi@launchnet.com writes: << I really like BM kits with one exception. That dreaded wing ripple. Is it present on the DH2? How bad is it? >> The particular kit I received didn't have it at all. In my experience, the wing ripple ranges from easily covered with a layer of paint (what I have on one wing of the Snipe) to having to sand off and rescribe half the wing surface detail (the Bristol Fighter). Last year I looked at three S.E.5a kits - one had none; one had a moderate bit on two wings, and nothing on the others; the last had a bit on all four. This is the problem of the wing ripple - it is entirely random in its effect. I have built three Camels - 2 for collectors and one for myself, and had no problems at all, and have enough spare parts from these to now proceed with a 2.F1 "Sea Camel" that will have perfect wings and tails. I have heard of three other Brisfits besides mine, and they *all* had the problem in varying degrees. What it comes down to, and what I yell about the loudest, is that here we are with expensive kits, and it's a *crapshoot* if you're going to open the box and have something to work with or not. And with these D.H.2s, I doubt one can ask Mr. Gannon to replace the wings if they are bad, since he likely doesn't have the molds anymore. The thing that ticks me off is, you can go to a car show and watch some *actor* hired by VW who doesn't even know what injection-molded plastic is, use an injection-molding machine right in front of your eyes to create a little VW "bug" out of recycled taillight plastic, and it comes out perfect (I am not kidding here, I have one sitting right by the computer - it's a penholder), and we have a guy for whom this is his *business* for chrissakes, who has now made 13 different models (just in 1/48) at 1500 kits per model - that's 19,500 opportunities to come to an understanding of how to operate his injection molding machine - and he *still* can't get it right! I mean, this is NOT rocket science!! And what *really* ticks me off is, when he does it right, his stuff is DAMN GOOD. I am really quite happy with the D.H.2, and the new Snipe, and I sure do like my Camel, and my Halberstadt, and my S.E.5a - I had to look through a total of seven kits, though, to get three of those five kits done right. This should *not* be a crapshoot - it wasn't with early Eduard, it certainly isn't with them nowadays, it isn't with most of the WW1 mfrs. If Chris Gannon didn't show he is good with his stuff I wouldn't care, I'd just chuck 'em. That's the problem - he *can* be good. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2322 **********************