WWI Digest 2307 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Dicta Ira..... was Roland Color Quandra by "Ray Boorman" 2) Re: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... by Ernest Thomas 3) How would you paint your bird?, was Re: Dicta Ira..... was Roland Color by Ernest Thomas 4) Re: Wood vs. plastic: by "Ray Boorman" 5) Aerodrome CD by "Dale Beamish" 6) Re: Wood vs. plastic (was Painting metal to look like wood) by "Jim Landon" 7) What size piano wire? by "Jim Landon" 8) Re: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... by Ernest Thomas 9) Re: DH5 TRIGGER by "D Charles" 10) RE: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... by "dfernet0" 11) Re: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... by smperry@mindspring.com 12) RE: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... by Mark Miller 13) Colourful Pup/ was How would *you* have marked by "Michael Kendix" 14) Re: Aerodrome CD by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 15) ww1 model railroad by Mark Miller 16) Re: ww1 model railroad by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: Aerodrome CD by "Dale Beamish" 18) Re: Aerodrome CD by "Michael Kendix" 19) Re: Colourful Pup/ was =?iso-8859-1?B?oEhvdw==?= would *you* have marked by "cameron rile" 20) Re: Aerodrome CD by "Dale Beamish" 21) Windsock search by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 22) Re: ww1 model railroad by Mark Miller 23) Re: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... by Otisgood@aol.com 24) Re: Colourful Pup/ was How would *you* have marked by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 25) Re: Colourful Pup/ was  How would *you* have marked by Mark Miller 26) by fedders 27) ÍøÒ³ÖÆ×÷ËزÄÊÀ½ç-ͼ¿â´óÈ« by web_picture@163.net 28) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by Witold Kozakiewicz 29) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by Witold Kozakiewicz 30) Re: by Lee Mensinger 31) Re: ww1 model railroad by "David C. Fletcher" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:00:34 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Dicta Ira..... was Roland Color Quandra Message-ID: <009301bfb4ab$c0232800$9b1335d1@bconnected.net> Ok, this looks like too much fun, Lets see I would want a few Rolands, First would have to be a rare pink whale, with some yellow polka dots on the wings. (Yellow shows dark in some films so experts would argue for years.) Then of course there would be the black orca, Blue whale, gray whale and of course old moby in white. Lets see what other whales ?? sperm nope not going near that one. Lastly of course I would make sure no other pictures were ever taken of the Rolands and that all the pilots were colour blind and gave conflicting descriptions. Before anyone comments it was a long long day at work!! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:09:57 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... Message-ID: <390F9884.EDC98F3D@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Probably burned copper - hey, I saw a lowrider the other day that really did > have the car painted that way overall. When I was a kid, I built the 1/28 Dr.1 and I sprayed the whole thing copper. I then put on the decals including the face on the cowl. It was gorgeous. I realized then that Dr.1's look good in any color. Then, several years later, I saw that replica that's painted orange and green and I knew I was mistaken. So I would paint my Dr.1 copper. If I had a D-VII, or an Albatross, or something, I think I'd like to try zebra, or maybe tiger stripes on the fuselage with loz wings. Maybe paint the tailplane some other odd standout color. An albatross might look good in Pitts factory scheme. I'll have to think about those PC-10 and Gaulish birds a while longer. > I decided E really knows how to hurt a guy, so I airbrushed the interior > of the Roland fuselage, too - but all the other fittings are varnished wood!! > :-) And don't you feel better for it? :) Probably looks real good with the wood fittings over the grey. > It's all your fault, you Loosianna Lollapalooza! :-) Don't mention it. Sincerely, Erniepalooza! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:16:50 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: How would you paint your bird?, was Re: Dicta Ira..... was Roland Color Message-ID: <390F9A21.ACEB6E3A@bellsouth.net> of course, one could always paint their plane varying shades of grey so it would look like the old pictures. Since we're talking about driving modelers of the future crazy.... Erniepalooza ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:33:21 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Wood vs. plastic: Message-ID: <00b001bfb4b0$54f2b820$9b1335d1@bconnected.net> A while back I was looking through some ship model websites (oops caught out really I was looking for OT ships!!). Anyway I found some pages that had Curators guidelines for the building of ship models. Here is the link, notice the .mil to the site! This was why I wondered yesterday about the plastic portion of Jims post. http://www.dt.navy.mil/cnsm/const_1.html Of note is the fact resin, styrene, various super glues may not pass the Naval model test as being long lasting. Perhaps the Curator of that museum should go look at this site. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Horton To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:06 AM Subject: Wood vs. plastic: > Da Group: To also respond to 'The Great Landoni" and the question of > wood for models...I have to completely agree with Ray Boormans > comments...whatever that museum is...they must be about 3 cylinders > short of a full rotary...Ray cited a collection of 300 year old plus > ship models...for one he was thinking of the H.H. Rodgers collection at > the Naval Academy Library at Annapolis. A world class collection worth > millions and almost completely wood.. I certainly can't condemn plastic > but I would like to see what a soldered up set of brass parts would look > like in 300 years...hope they change their mind and let Jim build it the > way it ought to be...Horton > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:40:52 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Aerodrome CD Message-ID: <003d01bfb4b1$833d31a0$5b9ca1c6@darcy> Just received my copy of the AM CD. Ohhhhhh..... So many schemes and not enough kits! If anyone hasn't received their copy yet make sure you pick this up. I may have to switch to 72 after all! Just teasing Matt. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 21:08:48 PDT From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar Subject: Re: Wood vs. plastic (was Painting metal to look like wood) Message-ID: <20000503040848.42194.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi all, :-) On Tue, 02 May 2000 10:07, Robert Horton said <> First let me thank everyone who responded to my question. :-) My good buddy Diego (hi Diego) has been forwarding the responses to me, as I never seem to keep up with the digests. He and I may have missed one or more responses. I don't mean to seem ungrateful, and don't take this wrong, but my question was *REALLY* "How do you 1/72 and 1/48 plastic modellers paint your plastic props and other plastic stuff to look like wood?" I think *ONE* person answered that question, maybe two. The direction to use metal and plastic instead of wood had already been made by my "client" Wings Over The Rockies Air And Space Museum here in Denver Colorado USA - see: http://www.dimensional.com/~worm/start.html ... and the fuselage was also half built already before I asked my question ... see http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Landon/Salmson/ So my question was not whether to use wood or not. That decision had been made weeks prior to me posting my question. I never had one minute of trouble with their advice. As much as I like working with wood, I have zero reluctance to work with metal and plastic. I used brass, piano wire, steel and plastic on my Tommy - right along with the balsa wood and mahogany - http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Landon/TMorse. If anybody wants to write me off-list, I have a written explanation from the man in charge of models at Wings Over The Rockies, on why he (and the NASM too) believes in metal and plastic over wood for new additions to museums. And he told me all about if I decided to use wood for some parts like struts, to apply thin CA to plasticize the wood. But that was never really the issue I meant to raise. Sorry for the disruption in The Force. :-) *NOW* how 'bout some more tips on painting plastic and metal to look like wood? :-) And please cc me this time so that poor Diego doesn't have to help me watch for responses. TheGreatLandoni@Hotmail.com Jim ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 21:19:25 PDT From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: What size piano wire? Message-ID: <20000503041925.50122.qmail@hotmail.com> New question: What would your best educated guess be for the diameter of the piano wire used for the X bracing wires between fuselage frame members on a plane like the Salmson 2A2? 1/8 inch? Some photos of other WWI plane interiors almost look like it could be 1/4 inch. The smallest piano wire available at local hobby shops here seems to be .015 inch, which equals 1/4 inch at 1:16 scale. If .015 inch is too big, where can I get stiff wire smaller than .015 inch? Also ideas for 1:16 scale turnbuckles. Real ones are what, about 3" long plus the rings? And what, 1/2 inch diameter? Jim Please cc me at TheGreatLandoni@Hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:50:07 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... Message-ID: <390FAFFE.D51249E2@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > It ain't gonna matter when that wall falls down... At least I'll know why the houses were built so close together. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:12:49 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Re: DH5 TRIGGER Message-ID: <001801bfb4cf$58310220$91b93ecb@charls> In 1/28 scale it's almost big enough to climb in! :-) David -----Original Message----- From: Peter Leonard To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: DH5 TRIGGER >It is only speculation on my part, but I suspect the "trigger" was part >of the internal mechanics of the thing. Of one thing I am certain >though, once you have your DH5 assembled absolutly NOTHING of your >lovingly crafted cockpit interior will be visible. I was held up for >weeks with mine (interior detailing isn't my favourite thing) only to >find that I can just about see the top of the back of the seat if I >stand on my head and use a mirror. Of course comp judges do that all the >time ;) > >Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 06:32:39 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... Message-ID: <002f01bfb4e2$86878460$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Steve wrote: > And > an off the wall message to future modelers hidden in a pattern of dots that > would only show up when someone scanned the photo 80 years later. ... and in the message it will read: "It's a hobby, stupid". D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 06:45:18 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... Message-ID: <000501bfb4ec$ad6c4a20$df0156d1@default> > Steve wrote: > And an off the wall message to future modelers hidden in a pattern of dots that would only show up when someone scanned the photo 80 years later. > .. and in the message it will read: "It's a hobby, stupid". > D. I had'nt realised the photo had surfaced yet. sp ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 2000 04:38:08 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... Message-ID: <20000503113808.15889.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi all Rather embarasing to say but I have thought along these lines before. I tend to daydream when sitting at my workbench. Nothing as fancifull or humerous as you guys came up with. glossy Dark red tops - black bottom - gold leaf markings - saw it on a meat delivery truck or something with a wood fuse with a hi-gloss varnish - metal fittings buffed out so you could see yourself - fabric gloss white or may be that clear stuff they experimented with on the eindecker - that would make a nice model. But most importantly - applied to anything British Those poor pilots must have gone nuts with that no personal markings directive. (yea I know their area exceptions) and how much RFC green can you stand. Now if I could go back in time I'd shoot the guy responsible for those decisions so we could have a little variety. btw I was wondering if anyone has reference on some post war schemes for british types which are a little more colorful. I saw a pup somewhere which I think was red and blue -looked interesting of course sometimes these things are a little to much - like that stars and stripes scheme on the DML spad. geez I'm late for work Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 04:58:44 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Colourful Pup/ was How would *you* have marked Message-ID: <20000503115844.21085.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Mark Miller > >btw I was wondering if anyone has reference on some post war schemes >for >british types which are a little more colorful. I saw a pup >somewhere >which I think was red and blue -looked interesting > Mark: I think it's WWI trainer colours but Sandy Adam has built a 1/48th scale Pup in the "Colourful Pup" red, white and blue colours. The decals are from Blue Rider and also exist in 1/72nd scale (you could build the Airfix kit). Sandy's excellent build is on Allan Wright's site. Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:48:14 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aerodrome CD Message-ID: Dale wrote: "Just received my copy of the AM CD. Ohhhhhh..... So many schemes and not >enough kits! If anyone hasn't received their copy yet make sure you pick >this up. I may have to switch to 72 after all! Just teasing Matt." Where can I get one?? and how much?? Mark VJ , literally drooling at the thought of such an addition to my paltry reference section. ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 2000 05:31:49 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ww1 model railroad Message-ID: <20000503123149.8315.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi again I was wondering if anyone has merged ww1 ac and model railroading. I was into MR for quite a while started partialy because of my son's interest in Thomas the Tank Engine, 1 yr later he's onto to dinosaurs but I'm hooked, 6yrs later I'm still hooked and abot 50% done with an overly ambitous around the wall double deck HO scale layout. Now that my ac modeling has gone 1/48 scale I find myself wishing I had built in O scale (sigh) I always thought it would be fun to build something involving ww1 plane and MR but I've seen very little reference and am not sure how the 2 interconnected. Did they ship from the factory using rail? There doesn't seem to be a lot of info and the MR community doesn't focus on military themes so I don't remember many commercial products One thing I thought might be possible would be a layout based on a US air base. Like Wright Patterson which I think was supposed to be a clearing house for foreign types. But again I don't know if they even had a railhead there. Well - .we could just pretend ...... _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 07:50:10 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: ww1 model railroad Message-ID: <200005031252.IAA27608@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I'm in the process of trying to create a WW1 railroad. However, from what I can tell, most RR's at the time were all narrow-gauge, so standard just won't cut it. I'm going to model it from the US side, since they had a whole network of 60cm gauge engines taking stuff to and from the front. If you're interested, there's a whole book on US narrow gauge in France, called _Narrow Gauge to No Man's Land_. Although you want it in O (which would be On30 - O gauge stock on HO wheels and track) I'm approaching it from the smaller scale, HOn30. There is a kit out there I'm trying to get my hands on of a US Baldwin gas-mechanical, but it is quite expensive, and does not include the running gear. Just the body shell. Awhile ago I posted a link to a site that explained (no pictures, just text) the Italian narrow gauge side of the coin. In addition, I believe the Germans used narrow gauge as well. Unfortunately, as you said it's not well covered. The best coverage so far is on the US side, and I'm pretty sure there are pictures in the above book showing FT17's being carried by the US' rolling stock. All too cool. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:00:48 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Re: Aerodrome CD Message-ID: <003401bfb4ff$b581b520$fb2bb8a1@darcy> Check with Bob Pearson to see about them. There may be extra copies available. And if you haven't done so already check about his other CD coming up! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 03 May, 2000 6:19 AM Subject: Re: Aerodrome CD > Dale wrote: "Just received my copy of the AM CD. Ohhhhhh..... So many > schemes and not > >enough kits! If anyone hasn't received their copy yet make sure you pick > >this up. I may have to switch to 72 after all! Just teasing Matt." > > Where can I get one?? and how much?? > > Mark VJ , literally drooling at the thought of such an addition to my > paltry reference section. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 06:42:15 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aerodrome CD Message-ID: <20000503134215.71822.qmail@hotmail.com> Dale Beamish writes: > >Check with Bob Pearson to see about them. There may be extra copies >available. And if you haven't done so already check about his other > >CDcoming up! > Has anyone heard from Bob Pearson lately? I think he should have arrived home by now; probably still wading through his 5,000 email messages. Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:59:12 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Colourful Pup/ was =?iso-8859-1?B?oEhvdw==?= would *you* have marked Message-ID: <59D036BC5D024D115AE30005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> Mark, >btw I was wondering if anyone has reference on some >post war schemes for british types which are a little >more colorful. I saw a pup somewhere which I think >was red and blue -looked interesting 1 Wing Australian Flying Corps flew some garish and colourful Pups in England in WWI including a Pup with a dragon down the full length of the side, another with several Kookaburra's on the side, another that was all over red and white stripes, plus others in white, red stripes, kangaroo's and the other common insignia the Wing flew in. There are photos of these aircraft and Norman Clifford did a painting of the dragon and kookaburra Pups together. cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:58:33 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Aerodrome CD Message-ID: <005001bfb507$c52fb5a0$fb2bb8a1@darcy> Heard from him this morning. He's home. Said he had 2102 messages to sort through! Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 03 May, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Aerodrome CD > Dale Beamish writes: > > > > >Check with Bob Pearson to see about them. There may be extra copies > >available. And if you haven't done so already check about his other > > >CDcoming up! > > > > Has anyone heard from Bob Pearson lately? I think he should have arrived > home by now; probably still wading through his 5,000 email messages. > > Michael > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:46:13 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Windsock search Message-ID: Hi all, just snuck out of the office to my local plastic pusher. Picked up a weird ot Sack As6 flying saucer thingy and pawed through the hanriot Floatplane waiting for payday on Thursday. While there I glanced through the huge catalogue they have looking for datafile, windsock and other such ref material. Found listings for the osprey Nieuport and Albatros aces books but nothing else. Might any fellow Canadian list members be able to tell me the best source for these titles north of the border? Or do I need to order direct? And if so from whom? TIA Mark VJ ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 2000 07:18:11 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ww1 model railroad Message-ID: <20000503141811.13188.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Wed, 03 May 2000, "Matt Bittner" wrote: > > I'm in the process of trying to create a WW1 railroad. However, from > what I can tell, most RR's at the time were all narrow-gauge, so > standard just won't cut it. I'm going to model it from the US side, > since they had a whole network of 60cm gauge engines taking stuff to > and from the front. Matt So I assume you mean a narrow gage RR the americans constructed in france. Sound very interesting - how far have you got ? are you still in the conceptual phase or have you got down to hardware. If you've nailed down a layout I'd love to see it. and the narrow gage stuff does make a lot of sense - transport to a transient location and all - sort of like a logging RR. But I guess I was thinking that airbases would be different in that there could be an element of choice as to where to put an airbase and that maybe they would just chose a location conviently near to existing track. The same would hold true of aircraft factories. Obviously I'm just speculating off the top of my head, and have no basis for this opinion But the narrow gage stuff sound like a lot of fun - I would assume they would be moving a wide variety of men and material so you would think they would need a mix of rolling stock, some of which might be very specialized. And then there's the dual gage connection to the mainline (maybe), depots, and what must have been a bewildering mix of French and american hardware and then all the french architecture and lets not even start on railguns. So much information needed - and so little help available from commercial vendors, an ambitous project to say the least. Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed May 03 10:26:13 2000 From: Otisgood@aol.com To: Subject: Re: How would *you* have marked...wasRe: Dicta Ira..... Message-ID: <200005031429.KAA28104@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I think they wimped out and surrendered early. Didn't want to face a Vicksburg like siege. OG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:36:47 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Colourful Pup/ was How would *you* have marked Message-ID: Howdy! >>btw I was wondering if anyone has reference on some post war schemes >for >>british types which are a little more colorful. I saw a pup >somewhere >>which I think was red and blue -looked interesting >I think it's WWI trainer colours but Sandy Adam has built a 1/48th scale Pup >in the "Colourful Pup" red, white and blue colours. The decals are from >Blue Rider and also exist in 1/72nd scale (you could build the Airfix kit). >Sandy's excellent build is on Allan Wright's site. I built the Airfix kit and used those decals. It is a very striking little model. It wasn't the best model I brought to a certain show, but it elicited more comments than the others. If anyone decides to use some of these decals I would highly recommend liberal use of Future. I wore thru my decals in places just by handling the model. There are also some checkered Camel decals available from Blue Rider. The Brisfit had some good colorful schemes too as I recall. I looked at a photo of a Brisfit earlier in the week. It appeared to have been sprayed with red, white and blue diagonal lines on the fuselage which intersected at the roundel. The wings were painted in candy stripes too. A very loud aircraft! Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 2000 08:11:48 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Colourful Pup/ was  How would *you* have marked Message-ID: <20000503151148.22858.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> > 1 Wing Australian Flying Corps flew some garish and colourful Pups in > England in WWI including a Pup with a dragon down the full length of > the side, another with several Kookaburra's on the side, another that > was all over red and white stripes, plus others in white, red > stripes, kangaroo's and the other common insignia the Wing flew in. > There are photos of these aircraft and Norman Clifford did a painting > of the dragon and kookaburra Pups together. > > > > cam > AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm > Hi cam I checked out the Australian flying corps site and was VERY impressed. How I've mange to miss it up till now I do not know. Nice look and content. Was most happy to see so many nicely done profiles. I'll have to go back and look more closely when I've got the time - looks like alot of interesting material. I have been mostly ignorant of Australia's involvment - and their air arm seems to get very little coverage Thanks Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:07:14 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: models Message-ID: I have been out of touch for about 2 weeks. Can anyone tell me where the Champlin Fighter museum is going?? thanks peter ------------------------------ Date: 00-5-3 ÏÂÎç 02:24:58 From: web_picture@163.net To: web_picture@163.net Subject: ÍøÒ³ÖÆ×÷ËزÄÊÀ½ç-ͼ¿â´óÈ« Message-ID: <20000503062518.833631D82A031@bjsmtp2.163.net> http://pic7.126.com ÍøÒ³ÖÆ×÷ËزÄÊÀ½ç-ͼ¿â´óÈ« ------------------------------------------------- CDmail by ClanSoft http://clansoft.yeah.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:40:06 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <39104855.A4904A02@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Matthew Zivich napisa³(a): > > Witold, > > Can you identify the wire on the left or port side of the aircraft that > started on the underside of the wing and attached to the same side cabane strut, > then traveled to the rear on the surface of the fuselage and entered the interior > of the fuselage slightly to the left and front of the cockpit? I'm thinking it > had to be connected to the radiator and an interior gauge possibly. Hi, Finaly I finished fixing my home and I get out all my references. That wire you are talking about goes from wing fuel tank to fuselage. I couldn't find what is for, but I think it can be fuel gauge wire or, what is more probable, fuel pipe. Fuselage attachment point is little moved rear in 253 series than in earlier Oeffag. > can you also identify the access door that is a vertical > rectangle with rounded corners on either side of the fuselage just in front of > the cockpit This too is unique to the Oeffag aircraft. > I can see it on my photos but I have no idea what it was for, sorry. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:33:49 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: <391054ED.C250F2A5@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com napisa³(a): > > I work with a guy who is related to the above pilot. The only info he found > on the ace was on the Aerodrome website. Are there any books I can point my > friend to in order to learn more about his relative? Navratil does not > appear in the latest Osprey Albatros Aces of WWI. I assume this is because > the book doesn't get into Austrian pilots. Navratil flew an Albatros D.III > at the end of the war with a final score of 16. So with little delay but I have found some facts, Friedrich Navratil was born 07/19/1893 in croat family in Sarajevo. After primary school he joined A-H Army (Cadet crops, later 1 Bosnian-Hercegovinian (sp) Regiment - one of the best in A-H Army). On the beginning of Great War he was fighting against Serbian army wounded 08/21/1914 and after coming back to front wounded again. In 1915 he was fighting on Italian front, promoted - Oberleutnant. On the beginning 1917 he asked to move to Air Forces . In April joined air school in Wiener-Neustadt and after finishing joined Flik 13 on eastern front. This unit later was renamed Flik 11. That unit wasn't flying very often so before moving to Flik 41J Navratil had to get additional training in Campoformido. In new unit he served under Hauptman Godwin Brumowski and his first scoring was Camel shot down together with his commander on 04/17/1918 near Arcade. 06/09/1918 he became leader of Flik 3J (Romagano air base near Trent) were he was fighting with Polish aces Stec, Peter, Tomicki. One of the highest scoring day 07/16/18 he was flying with Stec and Peter and they shot down three HD-1 from 72a Squadriglia near Garda lake in Val dei Concei. Flik 3J has lost only 5 airplanes in combat, but 4 in one day. 08/31/18 Patrol of 6 Albatroses saw F.2B and Navratil with Stec started chasing him Bristol was shot down but in the same time rest four Albatroses was attacked by three Camels from RAF, 45Sqn (capt. J.Cottle, lt. M.R.James, lt. R.G.H Davis). All Albatroses was shot down (KIA Stanislaw Tomicki, Jaroslav Kubelik, Josef Purer, wounded Otto Forster). Navratil and Stec was flying 253series Alb. rest slower 153series. Navratil was wounded in crash landing 09/21/18 and it was end of his war career. According my references he shot 10 enemy airplanes (12th on the A-H aces list). Later he server in Yugoslavian AF. In 1941 became minister of defense of Croat Republic. After war he was condemned to death and executed in 1946. Thats all what I found. HTH Cheers -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:06:00 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Message-ID: <39105C77.7B528E63@wireweb.net> They are being bought by the Boeing Museum in the Seattle area. Lee M. fedders wrote: > I have been out of touch for about 2 weeks. Can anyone tell me where the > Champlin Fighter museum is going?? > > thanks > > peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:18:07 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ww1 model railroad Message-ID: <39105F4F.CD470EB2@mars.ark.com> Mark Miller wrote: "...I guess I was thinking that airbases would be different in that there could be an element of choice as to where to put an airbase and that maybe they would just chose a location conviently near to existing track..." Railways were the main means of logistics supply in WWI. Tanks, trucks, troops and triplanes were all fair cargo. The Polish/Russian conflict was one of the most mobile, and the Poles used railways as "travelling airfields". Accommodation, hospitals and defensive artillery all travelled the tracks. I have a photo of a Packard truck being loaded for one of a series of unit moves and the trains were routinely over 50 wagons long. During the campaign, the Kosciuszko Squadron established 12 airfields on flat pasture land alongside railway tracks from Lwow in the west to Belaya Tserkov in the east. An array of Albatrossen and Ansaldos by a standard gauge track (or were they wide gauge? - any help from our Polish members?) would be quite correct, and even some portable Bessonneau hangars were erected from time to time. Accidents did happen and Lt. Konopka drove his Albatros into the officers' kitchen car when he landed long. Unfortunately, the photo's don't show the aircraft markings... The Russians, too, used armoured trains with some large fieldpieces mounted and with complete headquarters facilities. The tracks laid to carry ammunition and such to the front lines and trenches in WWI were generally narrow-gauge. Somewhere, I saw some info; I believe that it was a UK model railroad magazine that had some coverage on this aspect of the war about 20 years ago - but that's as much of a lead as I can provide. And then there were the railway guns... Dave Fletcher (Now D-2 and counting...) -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2307 **********************