WWI Digest 2297 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Swallow. by "Len Smith" 2) Re: The Plane That Ended The War by "Len Smith" 3) Re: MAC pfalz, WAS: roden model kits by "Len Smith" 4) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: What is available? by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: What is available? by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 7) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by Peter Crow 8) Re: What is available? by "Lance Krieg" 9) by "Jim Landon" 10) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by "Limon3" 11) RE: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by "dfernet0" 12) Re: LO! Redux ...was Fokker DR-1..... MVR by "Lance Krieg" 13) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: What is available? by Albatrosdv@aol.com 15) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by Otisgood@aol.com 16) REMOVE by "David Garrison" 17) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by "DAVID BURKE" 18) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by "DAVID BURKE" 19) Re: REMOVE by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 20) Re: What is available? by "Matt Bittner" 21) Digital camera question by "Tom Werner Hansen" 22) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by Peter Crow 23) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by Albatrosdv@aol.com 24) Re: REMOVE by "Dale Beamish" 25) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by Albatrosdv@aol.com 26) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by "laskodi" 27) Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR by Otisgood@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:33:39 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Swallow. Message-ID: <001101bfb137$fa943dc0$3e5808c3@mesh> Eric, Windsock Volume 14 No.4 has an article, plans and loads of photos. I'm sure someone in your neck of the woods has a copy they could loan you. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: ERIC HIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Thank you all, and an apology > hey listees, > i need a picture of a swallow if one exists. any one have one out there > they can send me. please don't zip the file as i have no way to open it. > this for the up coming swallow kit which i promise along with ai will be > soon available unless the gods screw me up again!! tia > regards, > eric > and brent and dale you get a's for effort thanks guys! i appreciate it!! > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:27:00 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: The Plane That Ended The War Message-ID: <001001bfb137$fa0655a0$3e5808c3@mesh> Scho, Nice one, looks real good. Unless you already have the resin BE2e, the latest Pegasus offering has promise. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Schofield To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:24 PM Subject: Re: The Plane That Ended The War > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Kendix > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: The Plane That Ended The War and WWI History list > > > > >From: "Matt Bittner" > > > > > >Cool conversion, Scho! Excellent job. > Thanks Matt - you wouldn't say that if you saw it close up! Incidentally - I > broke the outboard port wing struts while placing it on the display shelf > (another bad case of 'hanger rash.) - had to cut the rigging and replace > with fresh material, seems that I'd shaved the airfix struts a bit too thin > this time :-( > > What's next? ;-) > Spoilt for choice at the moment, after plastic sheet, I moght gird my loins > and attempt my first resin kit - a B.E.2e. > > > I'd like to second that! I missed something; namely, why is it called > "The > > plane that ended the war"? > > I think I put that on the top of the page Mike - I may not have made it > clear, but I believe the plane was designed to ferry Civil Servants to - > and - from the peace negotiations. All guesswork based on the caption under > the photo in 'Janes.' > Scho > http://www.ww1.org.uk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:15:57 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: MAC pfalz, WAS: roden model kits Message-ID: <000f01bfb137$f967a4a0$3e5808c3@mesh> D, Don't hold your breath, those Roden kits in Hannants list are in the Advance Order section.Delivery sometime in 2000 ! Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:52 AM Subject: RE: MAC pfalz, WAS: roden model kits > Thanks Matt! > Yes, I've seen the Solosy's good review (and better build!) of the Hawkeye > resin kit, but I meant the Roden specimens... In the meantime, I'll look > forward to see your hawkeye Dr1 to keep my spirit focused! Ommmmm... > I'll check those sites you have mentioned to see how's the new pfalz. Thanks > again. > D. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:39:24 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: In a message dated 4/28/00 11:34:01 AM EST, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << e control surfaces, this is a straight OOB build... painted with Xtra-color Rot 23 with a touch of Brown Madder Alizarin oils to darken.. >> Really cool model, Peter, and you pretty much answered a question I was going to ask about the right shade of red for Udet's "candy-striper." I really think, after seeing Peter's Dr.I and Candice Uhlir's Siemens-Shuckert D.III done as Udet's, both using "Rot23" red (Candice used the Gunze-Sanyo paint, as do I), as well as my two recent Jasta 15/18 airplanes, that this is the red to use on German aircraft. However, if anyone can prove that the colors of red I have seen on the "candystriper", ranging from Insignia Red to Scarlet, are right, I am open to hearing from the "experten" on this issue. Just bought another D.VII, and don't have enough lozenge right now to get sidetracked as I did with the Jasta B D.VII, so "Lo!" it is. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:42:43 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What is available? Message-ID: Regarding kits of pushers, in 1/48 there is an excellent limited-run injection molded kit from Aeroclub, which you can still find at places like Hannant's, etc., though John told me it is out of production now. This makes up into a good-looking model, though it is one I would term "difficult." Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:50:18 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What is available? Message-ID: Howdy Gang! >As far as pushers go, I can only speak for 1/72nd. You have/had >available: Otto C.I Doppeldecker by Blue Rider; a couple of British >jobs by Blue Rider (why can't I remember what those are?); FE2b in vac >by a couple of companies; Voisin 3 by Flashback; Caudron G.3 by >Roseplane; Caudron G.4 by Blue Rider; Farman F.40 by Roseplane; Farman >F.11 by Blue Rider and HR (how I wish I could find a Blue Rider >example...); Breguet V horribly done by Veterans 72; I'm sure I'm >leaving a bunch out. Hey Matt! Those aren't all pushers! The two Caudrons are tractors :) One of the British jobs by Blue Rider is another Farmen which can also be built as an Italian built machine. I wouldn't recommend the Roseplance Caudron G.3 if you haven't tackled a vac before. It wasn't one of their best efforts. I built mine, but I am not real happy with it. I have the Blue Rider Farman cut out. It looks like everything will assemble nicely with that kit. The p/e booms are a nice touch. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:11:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <20000428181145.21239.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> --- Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > However, if anyone can prove that the colors of red > I have seen on the > "candystriper", ranging from Insignia Red to > Scarlet, are right, I am open to > hearing from the "experten" on this issue. Just > bought another D.VII, and > don't have enough lozenge right now to get > sidetracked as I did with the > Jasta B D.VII, so "Lo!" it is. > > Cheers, > > Tom Cleaver For me, the red just sort of looks/feels right.. but with anything WWI, I think whatever you go with and makes you happy its the right color... I'm always playing with colors, and if I was to do this again it would probally be different... Funny you brought up the "Lo" D-VII.., received the kit in the mail yesterday from a guy who wants that one done... Question.... top wing black or red??? and are the stripes on the angle??? I know its been discussed before, but never thought I'd be doing this.. (price is right)... Also posted pics of a 1/72 OT Bipe... doing a series of Jap. floatplanes for someone.... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=374489&a=5511490 P.Crow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:12:48 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: What is available? Message-ID: Tom offers a 1/48 pusher from Aeroclub, but didn't say what the model was... FE2b. Other 1/48 pushers: DH2 - SMER and Blue Max FE8 - Lone Star Vickers FB 12 - Lone Star Voisin LAS - Master Club While the Master Club Voisin appears in their catalog, I don't believe it is really available... Did I miss any? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:13:50 PDT From: "Jim Landon" To: Zulis@aol.com Cc: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Message-ID: <20000428181350.92335.qmail@hotmail.com> Dave Zulis said: <> Very well said! I was one who got "C"'s in history, but after getting involved with building my first WWI biplane model, the Tommy, which was quite by accident, I have become quite fascinated by the history of WWI ... not nearly so much as most of you guys and gals, but at least somewhat interested. And now I'm involved in a museum, which I might never have been otherwise. Maybe it will somehow benefit my children and grandchildren. Jim Landon Reply to: TheGreatLandoni@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:12:46 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <002a01bfb13d$5b99f100$a5bf113f@f4w2s5> Hey thanks Tom! You're right, the Rot 23 does look o.k. This after many long years of different reds! Does that mean I have to go back and repaint all my loverly planes? Seriously, the people on the list keep pushing all our modelling envelopes. NB : Alb. DV in Leptien's scheme Roland CII (hopefully fishscale) Pfalz DIIIa Holtzem Alb. DV Max Muller Berg DI Linke-Crawford -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR >In a message dated 4/28/00 11:34:01 AM EST, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: > ><< e control surfaces, this is a > straight OOB build... painted with Xtra-color Rot 23 > with a touch of Brown Madder Alizarin oils to darken.. >> > >Really cool model, Peter, and you pretty much answered a question I was going >to ask about the right shade of red for Udet's "candy-striper." > >I really think, after seeing Peter's Dr.I and Candice Uhlir's >Siemens-Shuckert D.III done as Udet's, both using "Rot23" red (Candice used >the Gunze-Sanyo paint, as do I), as well as my two recent Jasta 15/18 >airplanes, that this is the red to use on German aircraft. > >However, if anyone can prove that the colors of red I have seen on the >"candystriper", ranging from Insignia Red to Scarlet, are right, I am open to >hearing from the "experten" on this issue. Just bought another D.VII, and >don't have enough lozenge right now to get sidetracked as I did with the >Jasta B D.VII, so "Lo!" it is. > >Cheers, > >Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:12:51 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <008401bfb13d$5e3de7e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lovely! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Crow > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=374489&a=5510259 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:19:34 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: LO! Redux ...was Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: " Question.... top wing black or red??? and are the stripes on the angle???" Well, the stripes are definitely on the angle. Latest word on this particular plane is in the Fokker Anthology, Part II, but IIRC, the author skirted the red/black question, and adressed his deductive powers to the "folder/fuselage stripe" conundrum... I never could see the folder, myself. Good luck! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:10:37 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <6b.3950833.263b3c2d@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/00 1:12:36 PM EST, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << Funny you brought up the "Lo" D-VII.., received the kit in the mail yesterday from a guy who wants that one done... Question.... top wing black or red??? and are the stripes on the angle??? I know its been discussed before, but never thought I'd be doing this.. (price is right)... >> I'm going with red and at an angle. I hope you learned pricing policy the last time you were by here and are pricing accordingly! :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:12:32 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What is available? Message-ID: <9.4d11a33.263b3ca0@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/00 1:15:01 PM EST, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << Tom offers a 1/48 pusher from Aeroclub, but didn't say what the model was... FE2b. >> Thanks, Lance, wasn't operating on full caffeinization yet. :-) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri Apr 28 15:29:59 2000 From: Otisgood@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <200004281933.PAA04858@pease1.sr.unh.edu> In a message dated Fri, 28 Apr 2000 3:15:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 4/28/00 1:12:36 PM EST, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << Funny you brought up the "Lo" D-VII.., received the kit in the mail yesterday from a guy who wants that one done... Question.... top wing black or red??? and are the stripes on the angle??? I know its been discussed before, but never thought I'd be doing this.. (price is right)... >> I'm going with red and at an angle. I hope you learned pricing policy the last time you were by here and are pricing accordingly! :-) Tom C >> What is a reasonable price to charge someone to build a model for them? I'm sure it depends on complexity but what guidelines do you guys use? Otis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:10 -0500 From: "David Garrison" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: REMOVE Message-ID: Can anyone tell me how to get my email address REMOVED from this mail list? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! david@spectrosales.com ---------- From: wwi[SMTP:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:51 PM To: David; Multiple recipients of list Subject: WWI digest 2295 WWI Digest 2295 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:46:56 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <001a01bfb14a$8f556da0$9180aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I did the DML 'Lol', and pics are on my site in the Gallery. DB -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR >In a message dated 4/28/00 1:12:36 PM EST, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: > ><< Funny you brought up the "Lo" D-VII.., received the > kit in the mail yesterday from a guy who wants that > one done... Question.... top wing black or red??? and > are the stripes on the angle??? I know its been > discussed before, but never thought I'd be doing > this.. (price is right)... > >> > >I'm going with red and at an angle. I hope you learned pricing policy the >last time you were by here and are pricing accordingly! :-) > >Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:50:33 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <006801bfb14b$45963a40$9180aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Very nice! DB -----Original Message----- From: Peter Crow To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Fokker DR-1..... MVR > > > Just posted some pics of a DML Fokker DR-1 kit that >I finished about 3 weeks ago for someones collection.. >other then cutting the control surfaces, this is a >straight OOB build... painted with Xtra-color Rot 23 >with a touch of Brown Madder Alizarin oils to darken.. >all weathering and shading done with oils.. > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=374489&a=5510259 > >P.Crow > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:56:40 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: REMOVE Message-ID: Send an e-mail to: listproc@pease1.sr.unh.edu In the message part of the body write: signoff wwi Do not add your signature or anything else in the body. Paul >>> "David Garrison" 04/28/2000 2:38:07 PM >>> Can anyone tell me how to get my email address REMOVED from this mail list? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! david@spectrosales.com ---------- From: wwi[SMTP:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:51 PM To: David; Multiple recipients of list Subject: WWI digest 2295 WWI Digest 2295 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:11:13 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: What is available? Message-ID: <20000428200956.MPWW5095.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@npng-mbittner> On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:58:35 -0400 (EDT), Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com wrote: > Hey Matt! Those aren't all pushers! The two Caudrons are tractors :) One of > the British jobs by Blue Rider is another Farmen which can also be built as > an Italian built machine. Whoops! DOH! > I wouldn't recommend the Roseplance Caudron G.3 if you haven't tackled a > vac before. It wasn't one of their best efforts. I built mine, but I am not > real happy with it. I have the Blue Rider Farman cut out. It looks like > everything will assemble nicely with that kit. The p/e booms are a nice > touch. Hey Barry, how about a new G.3 as well!! :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:40:08 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Digital camera question Message-ID: <000501bfb152$2e733500$3ccfd9c1@default> Sorry tp bring this up again, but I wasn't really listening last time. I have to make a choice between a Canon powerShot S10 or A50. Anybody have any experience with either. Is it worth the extra sacrifice to get the S10? Replying off-list is probably best in view of volume of mails the list is now generating. TIA Tom W ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <20000428210827.7700.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> --- Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/28/00 1:12:36 PM EST, > eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: > > > I'm going with red and at an angle. I hope you > learned pricing policy the > last time you were by here and are pricing > accordingly! :-) > > Tom C Yes Master!!! the Grasshopper on the Westside learned his lesson well.. :-) Your right about this red... of all the different combos I've used, this is one of the ones I'm the most happy with.. for me it just seems to have that look that I always imagined in my head for Ger. WWI... and seeing that you and Candice are of the same bent, sort of sets it in stone for me..:-) Have a good weekend, and I hope all your PC problems are history.. Peter ===== Peter Crow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:42:01 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: In a message dated 4/28/00 2:32:49 PM EST, Otisgood@aol.com writes: << >> What is a reasonable price to charge someone to build a model for them? I'm sure it depends on complexity but what guidelines do you guys use? Otis >> For an Eduard kit, say a Pfalz D.III, done out of the box with maybe the control surfaces cocked, and maybe an aftermarket decal sheet (provided by the client), $250, Basically, I know about how long they will take me to make (around 15-20 hours) and I charge them based on $15/hr. which is the "journeyman model maker" rate here in Duh Moovie Biz. If it takes me longer, I take a hit, if it takes less, I'm on a roll. When someone says "but the kit only costs $25!" I say "Find, build it yourself then. What you're paying for is rental on what I know." (Not that different from your rates as a legal eagle, Otis, with the same kind of justification.) I charged $500 for an Aeroclub F.E.2b, and recently sold a Bf-109 Zwilling for $600 due to the rarity of the conversion kit. Artists always have a hard time figuring out what they're worth, and truth be known the models should be reasonably priced about double what I charge for what my skill is worth, but you have to figure out how not to price yourself out of the market, too. I learned this lesson 25 years ago when I first began selling photos of racers taken from the pylons at Reno. Figuring the cost of a Type R print, the cost of film, etc., I was willing to sell a 16x20 for $40. I got few takers. A good photographer who was a friend told me to charge $200. I freaked; he responded "how much is what it cost you to learn to be as good as you are worth?" Funny thing, when I quoted $200, they didn't bat an eye, and still don't. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:44:33 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: REMOVE Message-ID: <000f01bfb15b$12c98440$3831b8a1@darcy> Try this as the address for requests is different. E-mail Address(es): wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu In the body of the message write: unsubscribe wwi Do not put anything in the subject line and please note that the wwi is not ww1 but i Hope this helps Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Schwartzkopf To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 28 April, 2000 2:05 PM Subject: Re: REMOVE > Send an e-mail to: listproc@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > In the message part of the body write: signoff wwi > > Do not add your signature or anything else in the body. > > Paul > > >>> "David Garrison" 04/28/2000 2:38:07 PM >>> > Can anyone tell me how to get my email address REMOVED from this mail > list? > > PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > david@spectrosales.com > > ---------- > From: wwi[SMTP:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:51 PM > To: David; Multiple recipients of list > Subject: WWI digest 2295 > > > WWI Digest 2295 > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:51:52 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <43.40b391a.263b61f8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/00 4:10:16 PM EST, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << Have a good weekend, and I hope all your PC problems are history.. >> So far, so good (fingers crossed). Once TRINITY sells the first thing is a replacement for the old Sterling with a newer old Sterling (the 827 stick was about perfect), and a state of the art computer. I think this one is just fading away, being as ancient as it is (5 years next month). Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:27:52 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <002901bfb160$feb4c5e0$263819d0@laskodi> Ummmmm, hey guys don't let my wife see this!! Lets see, there are about 100 completed models hangin in my son's room at $250 a pop, and.................. -----Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR > In a message dated 4/28/00 2:32:49 PM EST, Otisgood@aol.com writes: > > << >> > What is a reasonable price to charge someone to build a model for them? I'm > sure it depends on complexity but what guidelines do you guys use? > > Otis > >> > > For an Eduard kit, say a Pfalz D.III, done out of the box with maybe the > control surfaces cocked, and maybe an aftermarket decal sheet (provided by > the client), $250, Basically, I know about how long they will take me to > make (around 15-20 hours) and I charge them based on $15/hr. which is the > "journeyman model maker" rate here in Duh Moovie Biz. If it takes me longer, > I take a hit, if it takes less, I'm on a roll. When someone says "but the > kit only costs $25!" I say "Find, build it yourself then. What you're paying > for is rental on what I know." (Not that different from your rates as a > legal eagle, Otis, with the same kind of justification.) > > I charged $500 for an Aeroclub F.E.2b, and recently sold a Bf-109 Zwilling > for $600 due to the rarity of the conversion kit. > > Artists always have a hard time figuring out what they're worth, and truth be > known the models should be reasonably priced about double what I charge for > what my skill is worth, but you have to figure out how not to price yourself > out of the market, too. > > I learned this lesson 25 years ago when I first began selling photos of > racers taken from the pylons at Reno. Figuring the cost of a Type R print, > the cost of film, etc., I was willing to sell a 16x20 for $40. I got few > takers. A good photographer who was a friend told me to charge $200. I > freaked; he responded "how much is what it cost you to learn to be as good as > you are worth?" Funny thing, when I quoted $200, they didn't bat an eye, and > still don't. > > Cheers, > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:43:19 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <13.48aa73e.263b6e07@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/00 4:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time, Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > or an Eduard kit, say a Pfalz D.III, done out of the box with maybe the > control surfaces cocked, and maybe an aftermarket decal sheet (provided by > the client), $250, Basically, I know about how long they will take me to > make (around 15-20 hours) and I charge them based on $15/hr. which is the > "journeyman model maker" rate here in Duh Moovie Biz. If it takes me longer, > > I take a hit, if it takes less, I'm on a roll. When someone says "but the > kit only costs $25!" I say "Find, build it yourself then. What you're > paying > for is rental on what I know." (Not that different from your rates as a > legal eagle, Otis, with the same kind of justification.) > > I charged $500 for an Aeroclub F.E.2b, and recently sold a Bf-109 Zwilling > for $600 due to the rarity of the conversion kit. > That sounds perfectly reasonable to me. For all the time, energy and effort that goes into one of these things, I wouldn't want to do it for less than that either. I don't really have people lining up to buy my services but if it ever happens I want to be prepared. Must be nice to live where this kind of talent is appreciated and valued. Otis ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2297 **********************