WWI Digest 2296 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by "David Calhoun" 2) Re: Marriage clarification by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) Re: The Plane That Ended The War and WWI History list by Albatrosdv@aol.com 4) Important Message by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: The Plane That Ended The War and WWI History list by "K. Hagerup" 6) Re: Important Message by "Andrew Ronayne" 7) Re: Important Message by Ernest Thomas 8) Interesting item on eBay web site item#316313754: National Geographic" WW1 AIR ACES,"JUNE 1918 by dcalhoun01@snet.net 9) Re: Hanriot by Ernest Thomas 10) Americal Decals Request by "d mather" 11) Re: FT-17 Interior by GRBroman@aol.com 12) Great War Gas: by Robert Horton 13) FW: coming from Americal/Gryphon (and now available) by Shane Weier 14) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by Witold Kozakiewicz 15) Re: FT-17 Interior by "Matthew Bittner" 16) Gas masks by "dfernet0" 17) RE: MAC pfalz, WAS: roden model kits by "dfernet0" 18) Another update by "Matt Bittner" 19) Veneers, A good place to get them by JVT7532@aol.com 20) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 21) Re: Veneers, A good place to get them by Otisgood@aol.com 22) Mac E IV by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 23) What is available? by JVT7532@aol.com 24) Fokker DR-1..... MVR by Peter Crow 25) Re: What is available? by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 26) Re: Mac E IV by "Matt Bittner" 27) Re: What is available? by "Matt Bittner" 28) Re: Mac E IV by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 29) Re: What is available? by "Matt Bittner" 30) RE: Mac E IV by "dfernet0" 31) Re: What is available? by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:08:37 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: <008e01bfb0c8$1f662980$2f3c3ccc@oemcomputer> 1/48 Decals for Navratil's Albatros D.III with heart & arrow come in the Glencoe A-H Albatros D.III kit. This kit can be used with the Eduard Albatros to make an excellent A-H Albatros, and both kits together are about 1/2 the price of the BM kit. I think Americals makes a sheet for Flik 3J also. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? >On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT), laskodi wrote: > >> I personally am very weak on A-H pilots but since I am building his plane >> from the BM Alby D.III OEFFAG I can offer the following from the instruction >> sheet. Oberleutnant Friedrich Navratil of Flik 3J, Romagnano, August 1918. >> He flew 253 series no:06, a dark green and gray-green mottle over a >> yellow-gray base. Undersides were CDL and all struts were black. His >> personal emblem on the side consisted of a large white arrow piercing a red >> heart. Maybe if I ever get my datafile from Roll (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr still >> waiting) I can provide some more info. > >It is typically thought that this was his "backup" machine. He flew >another D.III into combat which had (I think) a red and white >"ying/yang" symbol on the side. However, I'm operating from memory >here, and could have the two mixed up. > > >Matt Bittner >http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:52:09 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marriage clarification Message-ID: Mike: If she is really taking on someone with 50 years' absence from learning "honey-do's", and the true meaning of SWMBO - someone that independent and likely set in his ways - she really must be a keeper! You're dern lucky!! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:02:41 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Plane That Ended The War and WWI History list Message-ID: <3b.41f1978.263a4b41@aol.com> In a message dated 4/27/00 7:48:57 PM EST, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << Yes, that was the source of my indigestion! I stopped after 90 pages. I was tired of hearing about the personal habits and carryings on the upper classes. YMMV Michael ____________ >> Then you missed something really excellent, Michael. After the description of the English Country weekend comes the story of Faures, the grand old man of European socialism, the movement that thought the workers of the world would prevent a new war. There is also the riveting tale of the Dreyfus Affair, and a really marvellous piece on the American involvement in the Philippines, among many, many others. The point of the book, the way it is written and the order in which the tales are told, is to give you a very strong grounding in the social world that existed, the world that gave birth to the Great War. I consider PROUD TOWER to be absolutely essential, as well as THE GUNS OF AUGUST. Put those two together with Massie's DREADNOUGHT, and you have just about covered all the history you need to understand how it all happened, and written very readably by very creditable authorities. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:11:57 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Important Message Message-ID: Go to this URL toi receive an important message for all e-mail list members. http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:22:05 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Plane That Ended The War and WWI History list Message-ID: <3908F5CD.2872@prodigy.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Then you missed something really excellent, Michael. After the description > of the English Country weekend comes the story of Faures, the grand old man > of European socialism I think it is Jean Jaurès. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:52:19 +1000 From: "Andrew Ronayne" To: Subject: Re: Important Message Message-ID: <015501bfb0bc$c6b73960$124e8ec6@t9hf2> LMAO - aint that the truth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, 28 April 2000 12:16 Subject: Important Message > Go to this URL toi receive an important message for all e-mail list members. > > http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html > > Cheers, > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:08:03 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Important Message Message-ID: <39090092.14C3D702@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Go to this URL toi receive an important message for all e-mail list members. seen it before. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 Pacific Daylight Time From: dcalhoun01@snet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#316313754: National Geographic" WW1 AIR ACES,"JUNE 1918 Message-ID: <20000428030905.B10C73FB@uzungwe.ebay.com> Anyone have a copy of this? What pictures are included? Can't beat the price, but any good reference material? Dave Calhoun Title of item: National Geographic" WW1 AIR ACES,"JUNE 1918 Seller: marysapoz@aol.com Starts: Apr-23-00 17:19:56 PDT Ends: Apr-30-00 17:19:56 PDT Price: Currently $6.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=316313754 Item Description: NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE: JUNE 1918, FINE CONDITION, S&H $1.75,MOSTLY WORLD WAR 1, ARTICLES, ACES AMONG ACES, 9 ILLUSTRATIONS,& GERMANY'S DREAM OF WORLD DOMINATION,3 ILL. + MAP, & PRUSSIANISM, & BATTLE GROUND OF NATURE,by JOHN O. LA GORGE, & COORTIES & COURAGE, SEE ACES OF THE AIRPLANE WAR, LT. RENE FONCK, MAJOR RAQUL LUFBERY,MAJOR BILL BISHOP, SEE THE STORKS ESCADRILLES, with list of NAMES OF PILOTS of all in the war Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community athttp://www.ebay.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:16:22 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot Message-ID: <39090285.9E324B4B@bellsouth.net> Peter Crow wrote: > Here are some in-progess pics of one of the Eduard > kits that I'm doing.. Web's too slow tonight. I'll check it later. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:32:31 CDT From: "d mather" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Americal Decals Request Message-ID: <20000428033232.33488.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi List, I've recently started several of the HobbyCraft 1/28 planes. Got the Voss decals from Eric, which it is almost complete. What I was hoping was someone has the available Americal 1/28-1/32 decal list and could possibly scan for me. I have the previous lists of 1/72-1/48 stuff, just need the newly available stuff. Thanks, doug M "He who loses wealth loses much; he who loses a friend loses more; but he that loses courage loses all." ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:44:16 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FT-17 Interior Message-ID: <6a.2429caa.263a6310@aol.com> I'm here, but I've been busier than a one legged man at a butt kicking contest. I have some scanned stuff I could send. Matt, you want I should send it to you to put up? Glen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:52:25 -0500 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Great War Gas: Message-ID: <3908FCE9.709CE649@netexpress.net> Da Bunch: Re; horses and gas masks...I cannot cite the book that discussed this...may have been the " Cannonneers Have Hairy Ears" the story of an officer with the Illinois 33rd Div. But the discussion centered around the fact that horses were somewhat more tolerant of the gasses then men were. None the less they did have gas mask sets that were fitted to horses. The statement I read said that while a horse could tolerate gas for about five minutes, it ususally took about seven minutes to get the rig on them...toes up horsey...later guys...Horton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:59:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: FW: coming from Americal/Gryphon (and now available) Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F71@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Doug asks for the Americal list This was posted by Charles Hart last September Shane -----Original Message----- From: Charles Hart [mailto:hartc@spot.colorado.edu] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 1999 7:57 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: coming from Americal/Gryphon Greetings All, After lurking in the archives of this List for more than a year, I'll de-lurk for a moment to pass along a bit of news about upcoming releases from Americal/Gryphon Decals. Please read the following carefully. I'm not currently subscribed to the List, so if you have any questions, please e-mail me directly. Charles Hart hartc@spot.colorado.edu >>> Begin attached message <<<< The next ten releases from Americal/Gryphon will be 1:28 scale decals, most of them suitable for the Fokker D.VII. The ten will be released simultaneously, probably before 1 October 1999. The ten include: #154 Four-color top lozenge #155 Four-color bottom lozenge #156 Four-color top lozenge (reversed) #157 Five-color top lozenge #158 Five-color bottom lozenge #159 Five-color top lozenge (reversed) #160 violet-pink and blue rib tapes #161 Fokker Dr.Is from Jastas 13 and 15 (about nine aircraft) #162 Fokker D.VII (I) from JG II Jastas 12,13,15,19 (about 20 aircraft) # 163 Fokker D.VII (II) from JGII Jastas 12,13,15,19 (about 20 aircraft) Sheets #154 through 161 are already printed and 162 is in progress. The earlier sheets await inclusion of the enclosure sheets/and booklets and completion of the series. Prices follow earlier guidelines with sheets #154-160 at $6.50 plus postage and handling, Sheets #161-163 at $12.50 plus postage and handling. ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:39:14 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: <3908B382.B3BDDF5E@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com napisa³(a): > > I work with a guy who is related to the above pilot. The only info he found > on the ace was on the Aerodrome website. Are there any books I can point my > friend to in order to learn more about his relative? Navratil does not > appear in the latest Osprey Albatros Aces of WWI. I assume this is because > the book doesn't get into Austrian pilots. Navratil flew an Albatros D.III > at the end of the war with a final score of 16. > > Thanks in advance > > Later! > > Brent I have some ifos abut him and his oeffag but right know they are in one of boxes. When I finish painting room and move my staff back I write what I found. It shuold be about Sunday. Hope you can wait. Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:53:02 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: FT-17 Interior Message-ID: <200004280955.CAA11705@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:49:23 -0400 (EDT), GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > I'm here, but I've been busier than a one legged man at a butt kicking > contest. I have some scanned stuff I could send. Matt, you want I should > send it to you to put up? Definitely! Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:58:18 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Gas masks Message-ID: <006301bfb0f8$47eaa040$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave: On the use of protective hardware for animals, check: Horses- http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/photos/bin03/imag0254.jpg Dogs- http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/photos/bin01/imag0050.jpg Goats- http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/photos/bin06/imag0522.jpg D. ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Civil Vs. Great > A similar scene is displayed in footage of Chinese nuclear tests in the > '60's - that of horses and riders in gas masks charging Ground Zero moments > after the blast. Not that I wanted to stray SO FARRR ot, but they look > similar. > > Did they have gas masks for horses in WWI? I want to say 'yes, they had > gas-gear for scout riders and horses', but I can't truly recall. You know > what hardly anyone thinks about? How many horses were killed in warfare. > There had to be millions - many of which probably became a dinner for > starving soldiers. > > Back to the world, > > DB > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Crow > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: Civil Vs. Great > > > > > >Steve... > > > > I did this figure, and the mask is on the lancer.. I > >guess they wrote the horse off as expendable, though I > >seem to recollect pics of horses wearing them, but not > >sure... Heres the URL for a pic at PCModeler.. > >http://www.pcmodeler.com/fig_gal/military_2a.jpg > > > >P.Crow > > > > > >--- Steve Cox wrote: > >> Was it the lancer or the horse that was wearing the > >> gas mask? Surely it > >> would have to be both to maintain 'the effective > >> fighting unit' > >> > >> Regards > >> Steve > >> =========================================== > >> steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > >> http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > >> If I didn't spend so much time on line > >> << I'd get some models finished > >> ================ > >> > >> > From: Mark Miller > >> >.......... > >> > > >> > I had a book once on the uniforms of ww1 and there > >> was this illustration of (I > >> > think) a Polish lancer. This guy was mounted on a > >> black horse dressed in black > >> > with a spear and wearing a gas mask. A truly > >> strange, and horrifing image > >> > which Hollywood would be hard pressed to match. > >> But it did illustrate for me > >> > why WW1 is so interesting - old tactics new > >> technology. > >> > > >> > ............. > >> > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:45:27 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: MAC pfalz, WAS: roden model kits Message-ID: <011701bfb0fe$ddac46a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks Matt! Yes, I've seen the Solosy's good review (and better build!) of the Hawkeye resin kit, but I meant the Roden specimens... In the meantime, I'll look forward to see your hawkeye Dr1 to keep my spirit focused! Ommmmm... I'll check those sites you have mentioned to see how's the new pfalz. Thanks again. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:42:25 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Another update Message-ID: <200004281244.IAA02790@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I just uploaded Paul Schwartzkopf's modified page. LMK if there are any problems. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:12:30 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Veneers, A good place to get them Message-ID: If you are looking for a place to get veneer material try Woodcraft. They have a catalog available and sell veneer sample packs which I think would be the best bet. One pack is #123211 contains six 8" X 12" sheets of Walnut, Cherry, Mahogany, Red Oak, White Ash and Maple. cost $12.50. The second pack is a bit larger and is called a Wood Identification Kit this is # 15W12 and contains fifty 4" x 9" sheets all different. You can order buy Credit card from their Number 1-800-225-1153. I have nothing to do with this company other than being the occasional customer for their excellent products, all wood working. they do offer some very excellent small hand tools so you might want to ask for a catalog if you talk to them. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:27:42 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: Howdy! I wanted to include the link to Navratil's home page yesterday, but I forgot. Here it is: http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/austrhun/navratil.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri Apr 28 11:39:24 2000 From: Otisgood@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Veneers, A good place to get them Message-ID: <200004281543.LAA03209@pease1.sr.unh.edu> In a message dated Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:17:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JVT7532@aol.com writes: << If you are looking for a place to get veneer material try Woodcraft. They have a catalog available and sell veneer sample packs which I think would be the best bet. One pack is #123211 contains six 8" X 12" sheets of Walnut, Cherry, Mahogany, Red Oak, White Ash and Maple. cost $12.50. The second pack is a bit larger and is called a Wood Identification Kit this is # 15W12 and contains fifty 4" x 9" sheets all different. You can order buy Credit card from their Number 1-800-225-1153. I have nothing to do with this company other than being the occasional customer for their excellent products, all wood working. they do offer some very excellent small hand tools so you might want to ask for a catalog if you talk to them. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 Thanks, John. WIll try them OG >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:26:06 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Mac E IV Message-ID: Just got back from my lunchtime pilgrimage to the plastic pusher where I spent a wonderful 20 minutes drooling gently over my newly arrived Eduard hanriot floatplane. . .be still my beating heart. While there I simply couldn't resist grabbing the Mac E IV even though it was 1:72 scale. (Hey the rare occasion that a WWI kit arrives that I didn't order I'm not letting it pass by.) Opened it up and was amazed at how tiny the thing is. . .will be interesting to see what I can fit in there. Matt et al, you rise muchly in my estimation for what you achieve in this scale. . . .even if looking at this thing I'm not so sure how you keep your sanity or your eyesight ;-) Have any of you built this kit? Any suggestions, tips, secrets or dire warnings? TIA Mark (Who's debating going right back there after work to order another Eduard profipack, a 1:72 scale Flower Class corvette from the newly arrived Revell Germany catalogue and a 'nother profi pack and a. . ..uh oh, I think my bank account is in deep, deep doo doo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:20:34 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: What is available? Message-ID: Greetings to all, I am very new to this era of aircraft in Plastic & resin having worked my way down from, yes Jets, a dirty word here I am sure, but then I worked on A4's Skyhawks for four years in the late 60's early 70's. I still love the scooter it's one hell of a warplane. Anyway my question is this, I have acquired a few kits mostly Eduard, DML and a few Pegasus namely their Airco DH2 and Albatros D.1/D11. I don't know how Matt does these little ships as I need 4X eyes just to see them but I will try after building some of the 1/48 scale. I do have a 1/7 scale Fokker D.VII that I fly R/C and have a very nice laser cut kit 1/5 scale SPAD XIII awaiting my attention. What I want to ask about is paint colors, I have looked through the FAQ lists on a few sites and have not found any references for WWI colors on the different aircraft such as Linen, PC10 let alone that French five color scheme, and then some of the German colors like the streaky Green, well I do need some help. Is such a list available or will I have to question the list each time I start a new ship? Please excuse my ignorance in this area but I do wish to make my planes look the part and not having very much reference material on hand yet I figured the list was the best place to ask. if you could tell me what paints work best for you without to much blending unless you have a scale for it, I have close at hand Modelmaster and Humbrol paints in my local hobby shop. I will be happy to hear from anyone on any WWI aircraft about paint colors, as I am here to stay and plan on building a nice collection of WWI aircraft. Please feel free to email me direct with any information you can provide me with. My second question is can you help me find out who makes or carries some aircraft that I wish to model. One is the Spad A.2, another is Vosin L.2 pusher type aircraft, in fact are there any good kits of pusher type aircraft available? Also how are the SMER kits? I see them advertised in magazines but never mentioned on the list. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:33:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Fokker DR-1..... MVR Message-ID: <20000428163324.26404.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Just posted some pics of a DML Fokker DR-1 kit that I finished about 3 weeks ago for someones collection.. other then cutting the control surfaces, this is a straight OOB build... painted with Xtra-color Rot 23 with a touch of Brown Madder Alizarin oils to darken.. all weathering and shading done with oils.. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=374489&a=5510259 P.Crow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:12:37 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What is available? Message-ID: Jon, Spin makes a resin Spad A.2 that, according to the other denizens of this list is a gem. . .I'm plucking up the courage to order one from Lubos at Vamp. His website is in the links sections of Allan's website, pease1.sr.unh.edu. Mark V-J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:06:53 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Mac E IV Message-ID: <20000428170537.IYFI5095.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@npng-mbittner> On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:57:15 -0400 (EDT), Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > While there I simply couldn't resist grabbing the Mac E IV even though it > was 1:72 scale. Mark, Mark, Mark. You must be new, here. :-) I went through a detailed analysis between it and the ICM version, and the ICM wins hands down. Watch for the May Internet Modeler where I expand my analysis. FWIW, it can be built. John Huggins did so for Squadron. If you can't wait until Monday for the detailed analysis on IM, LMK off list. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:14:21 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: What is available? Message-ID: <20000428171301.JCBA5095.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@npng-mbittner> Since your message was long - but contained some great questions - I'm not quoting it. For colors, turn to the web site. I can speak first hand for the French five color, because Polly Scale matches exist on my French pages. That page has a link in my sig (the one with pease1 in the line). While nothing has been done for the German colors yet, just wait for the rest of the list to pick up, because everyone has their favorite colors. The French five color I consider different than most, because there has been a chemical analysis done of the various colors, which mean we're almost certain of exact colors. Sure, everything varied during war, but at least you'll have a great starting point. As far as 1/72nd goes, it's no harder than 1/48th. At least I don't think so. I strayed to the Dark Side once - with a DML Fokker Dr.I - and there was no difference in building, except everything was larger. ;-) As far as pushers go, I can only speak for 1/72nd. You have/had available: Otto C.I Doppeldecker by Blue Rider; a couple of British jobs by Blue Rider (why can't I remember what those are?); FE2b in vac by a couple of companies; Voisin 3 by Flashback; Caudron G.3 by Roseplane; Caudron G.4 by Blue Rider; Farman F.40 by Roseplane; Farman F.11 by Blue Rider and HR (how I wish I could find a Blue Rider example...); Breguet V horribly done by Veterans 72; I'm sure I'm leaving a bunch out. Sure, if you look at injected versus other mediums there aren't that many, but you can't blanketly state there are hardly any. HTH... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:56:06 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mac E IV Message-ID: Doh, (sound of hand smacking forehead) sorry Matt. . .deadline pressure in the newsroom temporarily rendered my brain to slush :-) Fridays are murder at this newspaper. early presstime and politicians who never return your calls till the last minute...go figure I remember your comparison. . . .in fact even though it was 1:72 I saved the whole thing to my HD at home. Must have had a premonition the kit would one day be mine. your sheepish servant Mark V-J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:24:21 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: What is available? Message-ID: <20000428172303.JGLI5095.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@npng-mbittner> On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:43:12 -0400 (EDT), Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > Spin makes a resin Spad A.2 that, according to the other denizens of this > list is a gem. . .I'm plucking up the courage to order one from Lubos at > Vamp. His website is in the links sections of Allan's website, > pease1.sr.unh.edu. Oh, as far as a 1/72nd SPAD A.2/A.4 is concerned, there was one offering from Roseplane (Barry, time for a redo!! :-) and an upcoming resin from some Czech company. HR maybe? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:29:18 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Mac E IV Message-ID: <002701bfb137$4925e0c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Mark asks: > Have any of you built this kit? Any suggestions, tips, secrets or dire > warnings? Sorry if I turn you down, but... I have the kit, but I haven't built it. I'm not as corageous as some list members. I think that John Huggins made a review and built it for the Squadron website. I have forgotten the URL, maybe someone on the list can help. Personally, I'm not too enthusiastic with it. The fuselage is chunky (somewhere I've read that the masters of this kit were made for a resin kit) and the wings -are these the same mold as the old Revell EIII wings?- and all flying surfaces are overly thick, as all the struts either. The engine is better replaced and the cowl is a dog. The best of the kit: The decals, the instruction sheet with its ellaborate drawings, the choice of propellers, the seat and the little PE set. OK, the PE comes with an instrument panel, wich isn't realistic for a EIV, but I'm sure that I'll find a use for it. A lot of work is required to make a contest model from it, but since the measurements are quite well, it isn't an impossible task. Until now, I decided to discard the fuselage and make my own scratchbuilt fuselage. So far,I've sanded the wings and tail surfaces to a thinner profile. I might use one of the propellers (the other is going to the spares box) and I've already used the low-back seat for my Pegasus Taube. Whoops! Now I see that Matt has posted his message too. Fast guy. Oh, and now yours! Ooops, I have to learn how to type faster, I guess! :-0 D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:32:41 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What is available? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/28/00 11:23:14 AM EST, JVT7532@aol.com writes: << One is the Spad A.2, >> Spin Models makes an excellent resin kit of this airplane, which I am in the midst of working on. About the price of an Eduard kit, and available from list member Lubos Vinar, whose website is: http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp/inshop/shop.asp HTH Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2296 **********************