WWI Digest 2294 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Hanriot by Peter Crow 2) MAC pfalz, WAS: roden model kits by "dfernet0" 3) Re: Hanriot by "laskodi" 4) Re: MAC pfalz, WAS: roden model kits by "Matt Bittner" 5) Thank you all, and an apology by Jim Matthiessen 6) 1914,U.S. & the Zimmerman Note by Matthew Zivich 7) Re: Thank you all, and an apology by ERIC HIGHT 8) Re: Thank you all, and an apology by Matthew Zivich 9) Re: Hanriot by Peter Crow 10) Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 11) Re: OVERLOAD WAS: Eduard Albatros by "Len Smith" 12) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re: Eduard Taube -- WW1 German Markings by "Lance Krieg" 14) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by "laskodi" 15) Re: Thank you all, and an apology by Albatrosdv@aol.com 16) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: modern warfare in 1914- a refreshing disgression by Albatrosdv@aol.com 18) Re: WWI Photo Album by Albatrosdv@aol.com 19) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by Matthew Zivich 20) IPMS Region 1 - Noreastcon 2000 by James Gibbons 21) Re: Hanriot by Albatrosdv@aol.com 22) Re: Will trade kits for AeroMaster 48-148 Pfalz DIIIa decals by DavidL1217@aol.com 23) Re: 1914,U.S. & the Zimmerman Note by Albatrosdv@aol.com 24) Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? by "laskodi" 25) Play nice by Allan Wright 26) Re: Civil vs Great, modern warfare in 1914- a refreshing disgression et al by "Nigel Rayner" 27) Mikesh Book in the UK? by "Nigel Rayner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:36:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot Message-ID: <20000427163620.25307.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Matt... I'm trying to make an effort on recording different stages of what I'm doing from now on... Nice to see that the URL fitted on the page in one line.. looking forward to seeing the one Alberto's doing.. Peter --- Matt Bittner wrote: > > They look great, Peter. Keep up the great work! > > Between this one and the one Alberto is in the > progress of building, I > almost want to pull out an HD.1 and start working on > it. Almost... :-) > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:37:13 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: MAC pfalz, WAS: roden model kits Message-ID: <003601bfb066$d7ac2880$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Shane, Matt, Michael, Brent Thanks for the info on the Rodent models. I was tempted to buy one Hawkeye but I'll wait until someone build one and pass the tricks on these new models (IM? who will take the challenge?). Changing the subject, has anyone reviewed the MAC Pfalz during my absence from the list? D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:50:40 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Hanriot Message-ID: <000901bfb068$b9335660$563819d0@laskodi> OK, how did ya do that. I mean, pre-rigging with mono. I mean, how can you attach prior to assembly the rigging lines w/o filling in the strut holes? HOWDIDYADODAT? Oooooohhhh, I see a great idea to steal! TIA -----Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:49:58 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: MAC pfalz, WAS: roden model kits Message-ID: <200004271652.MAA27569@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:44:43 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote: > Thanks for the info on the Rodent models. I was tempted to buy one Hawkeye > but I'll wait until someone build one and pass the tricks on these new > models (IM? who will take the challenge?). List member David Salosy has already reviewed one for the Perth modeling fraternity: http://pmms.webace.com.au/index.html Plus watch IM. I'm very close to completing one. FWIW it's not a difficult kit. The biggest problem I have had so far (and I have both the lower and middle wing on) was the fitting of the turtledeck, which I attribute to being all thumbs. > Changing the subject, has anyone reviewed the MAC Pfalz during my absence > from the list? Not that I know of. Barry was going to supply us with a review but hasn't yet. However, both NKR and Silverbird have quazi-reviews on their sites. Silverbird has scans of the parts. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:01:21 -0400 From: Jim Matthiessen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thank you all, and an apology Message-ID: <39087261.9B78E58E@worldnet.att.net> Greeting, All. Boy is my face RED! I The first time I broadcast a call for help on the WW I mailing list and I screw up big time. Somehow my internet challenged friend and I were out of whack as far as the AeroMaster decal sheet he was looking for. I am sure that he knew what sheet he was looking for, but somehow I wrote down the wrong number. It was NOT 48-148 Pfalz D IIIa. I started getting the idea that something was amiss when list members responded to my initial plea and gently suggested that I had no idea what I was talking about. Not the first time that people have told me that, unfortunately. :-( Again, I greatly appreciated everyone's assistance, and I apologize for troubling the list members with wrong information. On the plus side, it was great how many people offered help. Thanks all! Jim Matthiessen j.matthiessen@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:08:18 -0400 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 1914,U.S. & the Zimmerman Note Message-ID: <39087402.2DA4DCC9@svsu.edu> Germany did their best to provoke the U.S. into entering the war. The little known incident in Mexico involving byzantine politics between the German diplomatic corps and Mexico certainly didn't help. Us Democrats aren't as likely to turn the other cheek. Just ask Janet Reno. Matt Z. Shane Weier wrote: > Mark M says: > > > > And then Shane adds: > > > > > > > > Not well known but very important in this thread - by > > > >October 1918 the > > > > Australian troops in France were also on the brink of > > > >mutiny. > > > I don't find it surprising at all that these people finaly > > rebeled. > > I suspect "rebeled" is a little too strong a term. The troops appointed > officers from amongst themselves and told their actual officers that they > would obey routine orders and maintain military discipline, but that they > would not follow any order to advance, being at th epoint where they were > too few and too exhausted to go on. > > > More surpring is that it took so long. It is amazing > > what a human being can tolerate. > > Well the Aussies had desertions like any other force *though* few of them > were ever found guilty of that high charge. Most were what we'd term AWL, > men who'd "shot through" for a spot of unofficial leave caught out when > their unit moved while they were absent, or just caught out extending their > breaks in rear areas a little more to the rear than official ;-) > > > > > Something that has always puzzled me was the attitude here in > > the United States. From all I've seen it appears that the > > Americans were eager to go fight, and saw it as some sort of > > grand romantic adventure. > > Look in Aussie newspapers at that time - this is exactly the attitude our > early enlistments had. It changed after Galipolli - from then on enlistees > frequently did it "out of duty" to their mates already at war. > > >it was I believe a volunteer army. > > As Cam noted earlier, every Australian soldier was a volunteer. Billy Hughes > government tried to enact conscription but it was voted down - > unsurprisingly the soldiers at war were even more opposed than the public at > home. > > > It didn't take them long to lose these delusions but how > > could they be so misinformed in the first place. > > I can understand our guys being eager. By the time the US joined in I'm sure > that the illusion that it might be fun should have been long dispelled. > > > Was it just > > arrogence (we'll go over there and straighten this whole mess > > out) or did they honestly not know. > > Perhaps. The US was really beginning to feel that it was a world power by > then, and at least had the advantage of knowing what had been done wrong > without killing off all their best soldiers to see what didn't work. It may > have looked easy from afar, and in fact by comparison to what the British, > Germans and French had suffered by then, it *was* but that wouldn't have > consoled the families of those who didn't come home. > > Shane > > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:05:40 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thank you all, and an apology Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000427100540.006f3324@pop.amug.org> hey listees, i need a picture of a swallow if one exists. any one have one out there they can send me. please don't zip the file as i have no way to open it. this for the up coming swallow kit which i promise along with ai will be soon available unless the gods screw me up again!! tia regards, eric and brent and dale you get a's for effort thanks guys! i appreciate it!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:12:01 -0400 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thank you all, and an apology Message-ID: <390874E0.A057D8C0@svsu.edu> Jim, Like Henry Ford III said, "Don't apologize. Don't explain". Everyone on the List eventually says something they regret. Matt Z. Jim Matthiessen wrote: > Greeting, All. > > Boy is my face RED! I The first time I broadcast a call for help on the > WW I mailing list and I screw up big time. Somehow my internet > challenged friend and I were out of whack as far as the AeroMaster decal > sheet he was looking for. I am sure that he knew what sheet he was > looking for, but somehow I wrote down the wrong number. It was NOT > 48-148 Pfalz D IIIa. I started getting the idea that something was > amiss when list members responded to my initial plea and gently > suggested that I had no idea what I was talking about. Not the first > time that people have told me that, unfortunately. :-( > > Again, I greatly appreciated everyone's assistance, and I apologize for > troubling the list members with wrong information. > > On the plus side, it was great how many people offered help. Thanks > all! > > Jim Matthiessen > j.matthiessen@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Crow To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot Message-ID: <20000427172057.24634.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Probally not the swiftest way to do this, but I've been doing it this way for years and its just easier for me.. pre-drill the holes.. put a knot in the end of mono...cut close to the knot.. put a dab of Weld-On/Textra on the hole.. put knot to hole and push in with a pin tool (needle in a piece of dowel).. a little bit of melted plastic will ooze up, and as it dries (it dries quick) I gently pat it down on top of the knot.. if done right, holds quite well... exit holes in bottom wing and fuslage are drilled all the way through.. when I get to the stage where I'm tying everything off, I'll post some pics that will show it better... Its a h*&^ of a lot easier for me to do it, then explain it... need Tom's typing skills..:-) What I like about this, is that I get rigging thats nice and tight and gives me a ping/hum when stroked with a needle...I tend to keep my rigging black, as the people I do these for want it to stand out more... Thanks for the question... you actually got me thinking about something that I sort of take for granted...:-) Peter --- laskodi wrote: > OK, how did ya do that. > I mean, pre-rigging with mono. > I mean, how can you attach prior to assembly the > rigging lines w/o filling > in the strut holes? > HOWDIDYADODAT? > Oooooohhhh, I see a great idea to steal! > TIA > -----Bob > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:23:08 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: I work with a guy who is related to the above pilot. The only info he found on the ace was on the Aerodrome website. Are there any books I can point my friend to in order to learn more about his relative? Navratil does not appear in the latest Osprey Albatros Aces of WWI. I assume this is because the book doesn't get into Austrian pilots. Navratil flew an Albatros D.III at the end of the war with a final score of 16. Thanks in advance Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:13:40 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: OVERLOAD WAS: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <000801bfb06e$1a2cd4a0$91857ed4@mesh> RK wrote > might as well go for a 0/1500.........maybe try a Kangaroo- now there's a > plane that would need explaining, plus I doubt if there'll be a Datafile > about it before at least 2019. What is there about the Kangaroo that would need explaining? Seems like a perfectly ordinary twin engined biplane to me, well detailed in the A.J.Jackson/Putnam Blackburn book. Incidently there were three vacform kits issued by Contrail way back, the Kangaroo itself, its predecessor the GP Seaplane and the Kangaroo commercial. Not bad vacs either, need a fair bit of work. I've built the Seaplane and have the Kangaroo to build later. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:34:21 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: <200004271736.NAA28039@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:29:35 -0400 (EDT), Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com wrote: > I work with a guy who is related to the above pilot. The only info he found > on the ace was on the Aerodrome website. Are there any books I can point my > friend to in order to learn more about his relative? Navratil does not > appear in the latest Osprey Albatros Aces of WWI. I assume this is because > the book doesn't get into Austrian pilots. Navratil flew an Albatros D.III > at the end of the war with a final score of 16. The best book that contains info on Navratil is the A-H tome on aces ("Austro-Hungarion Aces of WW1", or some such) written by the late Marty O'Conner. An excellent book, and it was available from FMP. FWIW he flew two D.III's. Oh, you can also find some info on him - especially his aircraft - in the JaPo book on the Oeffag Albatros. I think there may have been an article in the Scale Models series on A-H aces O'Conner wrote in the early eighties as well, although I'm not 100% positive on that one. You can find Navratil decals in 1/72nd in the Blue Rider Oeffag conversion fuselages. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:35:06 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Eduard Taube -- WW1 German Markings Message-ID: Candice asks: " I understand that Americal has ... markings ... for a Taube. Does anybody have some info on placement"? The crosses you want are found on sheets 73 and 74, which contain, respectively, "triangular" and "highly curved". You probably know that those tauben were all different, and so placement and cross style will depend on the one you're modeling. I've seen pictures with crosses on both sides of the wing - which would be easier to depict than the "see thru". Also, there are pictures that have crosses on both the upper and lower vertical tail surface. A KuK taube might have the red and white striped wing tips, which would be cool... Good luck! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:45:57 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: <001501bfb070$7295aa20$2e3819d0@laskodi> I personally am very weak on A-H pilots but since I am building his plane from the BM Alby D.III OEFFAG I can offer the following from the instruction sheet. Oberleutnant Friedrich Navratil of Flik 3J, Romagnano, August 1918. He flew 253 series no:06, a dark green and gray-green mottle over a yellow-gray base. Undersides were CDL and all struts were black. His personal emblem on the side consisted of a large white arrow piercing a red heart. Maybe if I ever get my datafile from Roll (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr still waiting) I can provide some more info. HTH -----Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:29 AM Subject: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? > > I work with a guy who is related to the above pilot. The only info he found > on the ace was on the Aerodrome website. Are there any books I can point my > friend to in order to learn more about his relative? Navratil does not > appear in the latest Osprey Albatros Aces of WWI. I assume this is because > the book doesn't get into Austrian pilots. Navratil flew an Albatros D.III > at the end of the war with a final score of 16. > > Thanks in advance > > Later! > > Brent > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:42:01 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thank you all, and an apology Message-ID: <6f.4318769.2639d5e9@aol.com> In a message dated 4/27/00 12:14:02 PM EST, copperst@sd.amug.org writes: << please don't zip the file as i have no way to open it. >> Eric: go to www.winzip.com and download the WinZip, it's free. You can then set your preference parameters on your ISP to automatically unzip files you've downloaded when you log off the net. Zipping and unzipping files is so simple, even *I* can do it. :-) Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:49:56 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: <20000427174836.JFRO5095.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@npng-mbittner> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT), laskodi wrote: > I personally am very weak on A-H pilots but since I am building his plane > from the BM Alby D.III OEFFAG I can offer the following from the instruction > sheet. Oberleutnant Friedrich Navratil of Flik 3J, Romagnano, August 1918. > He flew 253 series no:06, a dark green and gray-green mottle over a > yellow-gray base. Undersides were CDL and all struts were black. His > personal emblem on the side consisted of a large white arrow piercing a red > heart. Maybe if I ever get my datafile from Roll (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr still > waiting) I can provide some more info. It is typically thought that this was his "backup" machine. He flew another D.III into combat which had (I think) a red and white "ying/yang" symbol on the side. However, I'm operating from memory here, and could have the two mixed up. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:52:47 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: modern warfare in 1914- a refreshing disgression Message-ID: In a message dated 4/27/00 2:45:20 AM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I'm quite certain that the decision to enter wasn't a commercial one mind you - but it *did* make sense. >> Given the fact that certain Americans like J.P. Morgan and other financiers had been financing the Allies since 1915 at least, these guys had huge (mega-millions of $$) reasons to go to war to protect the investment (especially since it was unlikely they would be the ones shot at). They had the power to influence the coverage of the war by the national media, and influence-buying in Congress is an old invention. The fact that, as usual, the Prussians acted like morons in the field of international relations, was very helpful to their cause. The idiotic argument of the Thirties that it was the "merchants of death" who got us into the war had no basis in fact, even if it was used as the argument to enact the Neutrality Acts which forced Britain to pay cash (we didn't enact Lend-Lease till the last British-owned company in the US had been sold to an American for less than half its actual value, and that was government policy). It was the loan merchants who did it. Consider the AEF J.P. Morgan's "collection agents" and you've got it about right. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:57:14 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI Photo Album Message-ID: <14.2d9dca6.2639d97a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/27/00 8:46:59 AM EST, lemen@wireweb.net writes: << Last time I had a photo copied by a so called professional they charged me $25.00 for two b/w negatives and one print each.. I will brag. I do better work than they did. >> Lee's likely right on this if you live outside Los Angeles. Due to the movie business being here, we have lots of professional labs, and because there are so many of them their prices are highly competitive. (It blows my girlfriend's mind when she travels on business and finds somone in Podunk who claims to do the same work she does, and has a tenth the knowledge and skill to do it, who can charge 2-3 times what she can, since she is bidding for work with companies based here - all a matter of competition.) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:04:32 -0400 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: <39088130.2E1D1DB@svsu.edu> Navratil was a Croatian pilot who fought for Austria-Hungary since his country was a part of the A-H Empire. Apparently Navratil survived the war to become a top official in the fascist Croatian air force during W.W.II. He was eventually executed by Tito's regime. His 153 & 253 series Albatros D-III Oeffag both had the familiar red heart pierced by an arrow painted on the side of the fuselage. I got most of this information from the mentioned books but also from a Harleyford book on WWI air aces. Matt Z. Matt Bittner wrote: > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:29:35 -0400 (EDT), > Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com wrote: > > > I work with a guy who is related to the above pilot. The only info he found > > on the ace was on the Aerodrome website. Are there any books I can point my > > friend to in order to learn more about his relative? Navratil does not > > appear in the latest Osprey Albatros Aces of WWI. I assume this is because > > the book doesn't get into Austrian pilots. Navratil flew an Albatros D.III > > at the end of the war with a final score of 16. > > The best book that contains info on Navratil is the A-H tome on aces > ("Austro-Hungarion Aces of WW1", or some such) written by the late > Marty O'Conner. An excellent book, and it was available from FMP. > FWIW he flew two D.III's. > > Oh, you can also find some info on him - especially his aircraft - in > the JaPo book on the Oeffag Albatros. > > I think there may have been an article in the Scale Models series on > A-H aces O'Conner wrote in the early eighties as well, although I'm not > 100% positive on that one. > > You can find Navratil decals in 1/72nd in the Blue Rider Oeffag > conversion fuselages. > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:08:46 -0400 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: IPMS Region 1 - Noreastcon 2000 Message-ID: <01BFB052.1B1F34A0.jgibbons@vppsa.com> Any chance any listees are going to be at Noreastcon 2000 this weekend in Albany, New York? Sincerely, James Gibbons ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:09:34 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot Message-ID: <7c.4b9e1f0.2639dc5e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/27/00 9:51:46 AM EST, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << I'm experimenting with using this Photo Point site as a way of posting pics... >> Nice work, Peter, and inspirational to me to get onto my Hanriot(s) after I finish the D.IIIa, the D.V and the C.II. Might I suggest for you - and anyone else interested - that you check out Xoom.com for a website. You can get a free 150MB space there. "The Aeronut" is in process of moving there from its AOL 10MB site, to afford the chance for lots more and bigger air-to-air pix, etc. For those who say "gee, building a site is hard," I reply "Balderdash!!" Go get Victoria Castro's book "HTML for the World Wide Web" for $20. I read that book for about two weeks when I started building The Aeronut three years ago - you look up a page in the book where a page that looks like what you want to do is illustrated, and there is the .html instructions you need. That way you don't have to waste KBs on badly-written junk like "Front Page" with its "one size fits all" programming. The only really hard part of creating a website is coming up with a structure that allows easy navigation and all that requires is you have a good head on your shoulders (which means all here qualify). Those pages of mine that are on our WW1 site were done that way, and they take about 30 minutes each to write and check out. Not a lecture here folks, but doing that is lots easier than using these sites, where you really can't control the size of your pix, the manner of display, etc. The work of people on this list deserves nothing less than the best for display. (BTW - a big thanks here to Matt for his work on the list site, which is just getting better and better) Cheers, Tom Cleaver PS - BTW - on my two Jasta18/15 models - the nes Pfalz and Albatros - I find that using Gunze Sanyo "Rot23" red and their "Blue Angel Blue" results in something that looks so "right" that if it's wrong it's the way it should have been. That "Rot23" really does give you "the color of dried blood." (Pix on our site soon) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:12:47 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Will trade kits for AeroMaster 48-148 Pfalz DIIIa decals Message-ID: I believe I have a set. Will check. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:15:05 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1914,U.S. & the Zimmerman Note Message-ID: In a message dated 4/27/00 12:11:18 PM EST, mzivich@svsu.edu writes: << The little known incident in Mexico involving byzantine politics between the German diplomatic corps and Mexico certainly didn't help. >> As an aside to that, the presence of German military officers in my favorite Western, "The Wild Bunch" is quite accurate - the Germans were machinating all over the place during the Mexican civil wars from 1910 onwards. That had a bit more to do with Pershing's pursuit of Pancho Villa in 1916 than is commonly known. The US really was afraid the Germans would inflame the Mexicans into another war for the southwest. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:22:01 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? Message-ID: <000f01bfb075$7c3d0820$2d3819d0@laskodi> As I said before, I am no expert on A-H pilots but the Aerodrome web sites list this aircraft as the one in which he garnered the majority of his kills. Also they only list a score of 10. FWIW -----Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Austrian Ace Named Navratil? > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT), laskodi wrote: > > > I personally am very weak on A-H pilots but since I am building his plane > > from the BM Alby D.III OEFFAG I can offer the following from the instruction > > sheet. Oberleutnant Friedrich Navratil of Flik 3J, Romagnano, August 1918. > > He flew 253 series no:06, a dark green and gray-green mottle over a > > yellow-gray base. Undersides were CDL and all struts were black. His > > personal emblem on the side consisted of a large white arrow piercing a red > > heart. Maybe if I ever get my datafile from Roll (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr still > > waiting) I can provide some more info. > > It is typically thought that this was his "backup" machine. He flew > another D.III into combat which had (I think) a red and white > "ying/yang" symbol on the side. However, I'm operating from memory > here, and could have the two mixed up. > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:30:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Play nice Message-ID: <200004271830.OAA28795@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all, I'll be out of town the next 3 days - see you monday - play nice! -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:09:18 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Civil vs Great, modern warfare in 1914- a refreshing disgression et al Message-ID: <001601bfb07c$1e8aa820$65a2883e@nigelr> All, Many interesting and varied posts in these (and other) thought provoking threads. A thought that has been crossing my mind is that WWI is the first conflict with a significant amount of war art, literature and poetry that tried to express the horror of war. It was also (again I think) the first conflict in which battle fatigue/shell shock became a significant issue (although not acknowledged at the time). This marks it out as different from probably all previous conflicts. Just look at the Napoleonic era - 20 plus years of continual war, huge conscript armies (Napoleon took 600,000 men into Russia) and incredible carnage (115,000 killed and wounded in the three days of the Waterloo campaign, minimum 74,000 at Borodino etc etc). Yet very little anti-war sentiment, and most contemporary accounts speak of war as an adventure and opportunity for glory (for the French in particular, pursuit of "La Gloire" was an important factor). Although the Civil War (US) showed elements of disillusionment, I don't think it was on anything approaching the scale of WWI. So why is this? I can think of two factors at least that might contribute. First, that the technology of warfare had outstripped the strategic, tactical and physical capabilities of particpants. New technologies (such as effective machine guns, long range artillery and latterly aircraft and tanks) had not been deployed in a large scale conflict, so strategic and tactical thinking were outmoded. Furthermore, the range of these weapons extended beyond the traditional battlefield, which put new pressures on the combatants. Prior WWI, conflicts had mostly centred around intense action on a field of battle due to the range limitations of available weaponry. This meant that combatants had to go through short periods of intense action and terror (battles or skirmishes) but once off the battlefield, they were under little immediate physical threat. They could therefore regain some semblance of normality and "recover" from the battle. However, once the Western Front degenerated into stalemate, soldiers in the front line were *never* out of danger even though they may not have been fighting. I think this constant pressure is what lead to growing disilluionment and battle fatigue among the combatants at all levels on a scale that hadn't been seen before. Think of the poor pilots, particularly allied recon pilots - being forced to go out several times a day again and again to face the enemy knowing that sooner or later your number would be up. No way out. Very different to the uncertainty of earlier periods, where you could always think that if you could get through the next battle (and you didn't know when that was going to be), that might be enough. Second factor is socio-economic. I always think military history must be studied in the socio-economic context of the era. During Napoleonic times, life was pretty hard for the average person. Short life span, very tough living conditions, constant exposure to death from disease. Many Brits, for example, joined the army to escape debt, prison, whatever, so were pretty hardy characters. So war wasn't such a big deal to them. Add in the mix the fact that there was plenty of drink, quite a lot of women and the chance to make money through plundering the dead, it actually held some attractions. For the officer class, war wasn't such a bad deal either - servants, silverware, mess tents and a fairly lavish lifestyle. So going to war didn't represent a huge sacrifice. Most combatants weren't actually sacrificing that much (apart from those that sacrificed their lives, I don't mean to belittle that). By the time we get to WWI, things are different. In Europe, we have the emergence of an educated middle class, and life for the working person although tough, is not as tough as it was 100 years earlier. So they could probably tolerate a short war with a few battles. But plunge them into the meatgrinder of the Western Front, then the disparity between their normal life and the privations of war is huge. So the longer any war like that goes on, the more likely they are to question why are we here, what is this all for (which is what happened). I also think this disparity between normal life and war continues to grow, which is one of the reasons that the sacrifice made by WW2 vets should be greatly respected. Sorry to go on for so long, but this has been a fascinating discussion. Regards, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:14:03 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Mikesh Book in the UK? Message-ID: <001701bfb07c$c0e30540$65a2883e@nigelr> For UK listees: Amazon.co.uk is showing the Albatros DVa book by Mikesh as available on special order of 4 to 6 week delivery (which supposedly means it is not OOP). I'm pretty certain it's the Stropp restoration book (valuable even if the markings are wrong!), but there are no details on their website (apart from title "Albatros DVa", pub Prentice Hall 1980). Thought you might be interested if you don't have this already. I've ordered one, so I'll let you know what shows... Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2294 **********************