WWI Digest 2288 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: More Camel Pix... by "DAVID BURKE" 2) Re: Lest we forget by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: modern warfare in 1914 by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: Lest we forget by Zulis@aol.com 5) Re: The Vimy Flies Again! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: ANZAC Day by Albatrosdv@aol.com 7) Re: The Vimy Flies Again! by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Re: ANZAC Day by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: Lest we forget by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Re: Lest we forget by Albatrosdv@aol.com 11) Re: modern warfare in 1914 by "Limon3" 12) Re: modern warfare in 1914 by "cameron rile" 13) Re: modern warfare in 1914 by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: More Camel Pix... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 15) Re: Attention Nieuport Experten---Got A Question by "Leonard Endy" 16) RE: The Vimy Flies Again! by Shane Weier 17) RE: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by Shane Weier 18) RE: ANZAC Day by Shane Weier 19) Re: Civil Vs. Great by Christopher Crofoot 20) RE: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by Shane Weier 21) FT-17 Interior by Marc Flake 22) Re: ANZAC Day by smperry@mindspring.com 23) RE: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by "Matthew Bittner" 24) Re: FT-17 Interior by "Matthew Bittner" 25) Re: Hiero engine by skarver@banet.net 26) Re: More Camel Pix... by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:08:23 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: More Camel Pix... Message-ID: <006c01bfaefd$c4655f40$f682aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >On Tue, 25 April 2000, "DAVID BURKE" wrote: > >> >> Hey Kids, >> >> Just to let y'all know that Allan and I finally got our bugs worked out >> and so the other 5 pics of the Camel under construction are now up, >> including 2 extra views of the seat, and other stuff. Just look at my >> little slice of the Image Gallery and they're right there! >> >> NOW- If I can only find some of those parts I've mislaid... >> >> DB >I'm impressed >you don't realy mean to bury all that beautiful work inside a sopwith camel do you? > >Mark > Too late, already buried! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:11:30 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Lest we forget Message-ID: <006d01bfaefd$c514d920$f682aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Nigel, Stay Maudlin. Socrates himself would agree with your point: there is nothing bad about anything that causes questions to be asked. If it wasn't for modelling and WWI models in particular, I wouldn't be so hell-bent on learning the particulars of the Great War, or any war, for that matter. DB -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Rayner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Lest we forget >I've welcomed the posts about Gallipoli and how important it is for us all >to remember such important events for a number of reasons. Just this morning >I heard on the BBC's Today programme a discussion about Gallipoli, in which >historians were concerned that the "unstructured" way history is taught >today (in the UK) means the only way children can empathise with the >participants is through film and tv, media with a poor reputation for >accuracy at best. > >So what's my point? Well, it's this. For me, this is where we come in. There >is (for me at least) a serious side to our hobby. I know at times we can >seem a bit sad with our obsession over lozenge colours, the placement of the >left-handed whattchamacallit and whatever, but part of what I enjoy about >the hobby is creating (reasonably) accurate miniatures that get people >interested in the period. Our strangely coloured models of fragile-looking >stick and wire machines often stimulate questions from people, particularly >if they don't know much about the period. We then have the opportunity to >share some of our knowledge and help people understand why they should still >care about the events of WWI and the sacrifices of many, many men and women. >Miniatures can help build that missing empathy, particularly with the young. >If we can help people question some of the revisionist teaching of history >(or bad movies or tv), that's a good thing too. > >Maudlin mode off. > >Regards, > >Nigel > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:32:27 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: modern warfare in 1914 Message-ID: <006f01bfaefd$c79123c0$f682aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > Altough the American Civil War gave a glimpse of modern industrial times in >warfare, a horrible glimpse of the wars to come, the nature of the Civil War >was more tied to a "movement" war than a stalemate as the Great War. >Technology was a decisive factor in WW1, many authors have said that it was >the first "industrial" war ever. >I have to recognize though that the innovations that you have mentioned were >present in WW1 (in a more significant way), and let me add some others: >modern military surgery, anestethics, use of railways to mobilize troops and >materiel, attacks to the civilian population as a way to inflict harm to the >enemy's military power.... >besides WW1, the french-prussian war of 1870 would have been a good lesson >to the french on what they could expect from their neighbors... However, the >opportunity was lost. And not for the last time... >Ah, ce sont très amusantes ces guerres, n'est ce pas? >D. This is a good thread here. The American Civil War also introduced the early machine gun, repeating rifle, as well as the type of trench/seige warfare that would be practiced in Europe (the Petersburg seige). The movement of Gen. James Longstreet's corps at the Battle of Mannassas was one of the deciding factors which caused the Confederate victory. However, the use of the brightly-colored uniforms in the beginning of WWI did have great significance to the French, and they did have a bit to do with recognition, as well as the feeling of Esprit de Corps that the French Army had. Strangely, the Franco-Prussian War didn't seem to be as much like the Civil War as one might expect, and then again it was: in that it was not a trench war, but a war of movement, ending with the siege of Paris. It was, of course, following this war, with the effective isolation of France from European affairs by the wiley Bismarck that the contingency plan of attack was conceived by von Schlieffen - the plan that would be loosed in 1914. It has been drilled into my head that the WWI was NOT a 19th century war fought with 20th century means. It was a unique war of advanced technology fought, for the most part, by vast conscript armies, who were ignorant of the strategic and tactical power afforded by the tools of war. It was bloodier than any war that has ever been fought by man (yes, including WW2), and though battlefield medicine was better, it was by no means true 'surgery' - which would be performed at rear-area hospitals. IIRC, the creation of a true 'Medical Corps' was still a way off: soldiers patched together other soldiers and hoped to move them to the rear for adequate treatment. The high explosive and gas shells that rained destruction on France still claim lives today - there is still a special unit in France devoted to removing live shells that fell nearly 100 years ago, and the occasional farmer still accidentally plows up shells which do to him what was expected of them when first fired. What a legacy... DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:21:32 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lest we forget Message-ID: Nigel writes (and I couldnt agree more): << So what's my point? Well, it's this. For me, this is where we come in. There is (for me at least) a serious side to our hobby. I know at times we can seem a bit sad with our obsession over lozenge colours, the placement of the left-handed whattchamacallit and whatever, but part of what I enjoy about the hobby is creating (reasonably) accurate miniatures that get people interested in the period. Our strangely coloured models of fragile-looking stick and wire machines often stimulate questions from people, particularly if they don't know much about the period. We then have the opportunity to share some of our knowledge and help people understand why they should still care about the events of WWI and the sacrifices of many, many men and women >> I would also like to add something related to our recent trip to the OTF seminar. Coming back from vacation, I have answered questions from at least a dozen friends, co-workers and others who were intrigued that anyone would gather to discuss - HISTORY. To many people, history was something which was endured while in school and, amazingly, has no relevance in their real life. By actively meeting, modelling and discussing historical issues, we are doing our little "bit" towards moving the subject out of the classroom and into people's lives. When you speak to someone, they will probably not remember the details of the subject, but they will remember your enthusiasm - and that, alone, is worth something. Then again.... I could be dreaming.... :-) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:24:21 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Vimy Flies Again! Message-ID: <68.2e39bee.26377515@aol.com> DB: The following symbol: :-3 has been agreed on as "tongue planted firmly in cheek." Besides, Shane and I are friends, which is why I could say someting outrageous. Cheers, Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:29:27 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ANZAC Day Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/00 12:31:45 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << My definition of an Austrailian: Basically the same as an American, basicaly the same origins as us Americans, just as tough, if not tougher than Americans, just with a better command of the English language than us Americans! >> I once heard it put "a Texan with a cockney accent." (BTW the guy who said it was Texan and it was a *compliment*!!) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:28:35 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The Vimy Flies Again! Message-ID: <001801bfaf05$e40cbac0$4583aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I know, just funnin' Me and Shane have turned out to be Compadres too, and I thought that ;-3 was the symbol for Kirk Douglas - notice the dimple! ;) DB -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:26 PM Subject: Re: The Vimy Flies Again! >DB: > >The following symbol: > >:-3 > >has been agreed on as "tongue planted firmly in cheek." > >Besides, Shane and I are friends, which is why I could say someting >outrageous. > >Cheers, > >Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:28:55 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <001901bfaf05$e4e6ee20$4583aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Good one! DB -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: Re: ANZAC Day >In a message dated 4/25/00 12:31:45 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: > ><< My definition of an Austrailian: > > Basically the same as an American, basicaly the same origins as us > Americans, just as tough, if not tougher than Americans, just with a better > command of the English language than us Americans! > >> > >I once heard it put "a Texan with a cockney accent." (BTW the guy who said >it was Texan and it was a *compliment*!!) > >Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:30:40 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Lest we forget Message-ID: <001b01bfaf05$e6476880$4583aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > >Nigel writes (and I couldnt agree more): > ><< So what's my point? Well, it's this. For me, this is where we come in. >There > is (for me at least) a serious side to our hobby. I know at times we can > seem a bit sad with our obsession over lozenge colours, the placement of the > left-handed whattchamacallit and whatever, but part of what I enjoy about > the hobby is creating (reasonably) accurate miniatures that get people > interested in the period. Our strangely coloured models of fragile-looking > stick and wire machines often stimulate questions from people, particularly > if they don't know much about the period. We then have the opportunity to > share some of our knowledge and help people understand why they should still > care about the events of WWI and the sacrifices of many, many men and women >>> > >I would also like to add something related to our recent trip to the OTF >seminar. Coming back from vacation, I have answered questions from at least >a dozen friends, co-workers and others who were intrigued that anyone would >gather to discuss - HISTORY. To many people, history was something which >was endured while in school and, amazingly, has no relevance in their real >life. By actively meeting, modelling and discussing historical issues, we >are doing our little "bit" towards moving the subject out of the classroom >and into people's lives. When you speak to someone, they will probably >not remember the details of the subject, but they will remember your >enthusiasm - and that, alone, is worth something. > >Then again.... I could be dreaming.... :-) > >Dave Z Dave, If you're dreaming, then do me a favor: DON'T wake up!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:44:24 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lest we forget Message-ID: <78.465f5be.263779c8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/00 2:09:47 PM EST, nigel@rosnar.freeserve.co.uk writes: << asonably) accurate miniatures that get people interested in the period. Our strangely coloured models of fragile-looking stick and wire machines often stimulate questions from people, particularly if they don't know much about the period. We then have the opportunity to share some of our knowledge and help people understand why they should still care about the events of WWI and the sacrifices of many, many men and women. Miniatures can help build that missing empathy, particularly with the young. If we can help people question some of the revisionist teaching of history (or bad movies or tv), that's a good thing too. >> Excellent points, Nigel. I always notice that it is the younger visitors at the air museum who have those kinds of questions when they're in the model hall, and they do get interested in the answers. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:49:48 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: modern warfare in 1914 Message-ID: <001201bfaf08$9001cee0$a8bf113f@f4w2s5> Along the same lines, the early U.S. Civil War unis were pretty bright and colorful as well, especially the "Zouave" styles. They were abandoned pretty quickly, and for the same reason as the French red trousers, excellent targets - just point and shoot. Also, you're right about farmers plowing up leftovers from WW1, not to mention the trench lines which are still quite visible in many places throughout Northern France. -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:43 PM Subject: Re: modern warfare in 1914 > > > >> Altough the American Civil War gave a glimpse of modern industrial times >in >>warfare, a horrible glimpse of the wars to come, the nature of the Civil >War >>was more tied to a "movement" war than a stalemate as the Great War. >>Technology was a decisive factor in WW1, many authors have said that it was >>the first "industrial" war ever. >>I have to recognize though that the innovations that you have mentioned >were >>present in WW1 (in a more significant way), and let me add some others: >>modern military surgery, anestethics, use of railways to mobilize troops >and >>materiel, attacks to the civilian population as a way to inflict harm to >the >>enemy's military power.... >>besides WW1, the french-prussian war of 1870 would have been a good lesson >>to the french on what they could expect from their neighbors... However, >the >>opportunity was lost. And not for the last time... >>Ah, ce sont très amusantes ces guerres, n'est ce pas? >>D. > > > This is a good thread here. The American Civil War also introduced the >early machine gun, repeating rifle, as well as the type of trench/seige >warfare that would be practiced in Europe (the Petersburg seige). The >movement of Gen. James Longstreet's corps at the Battle of Mannassas was one >of the deciding factors which caused the Confederate victory. However, the >use of the brightly-colored uniforms in the beginning of WWI did have great >significance to the French, and they did have a bit to do with recognition, >as well as the feeling of Esprit de Corps that the French Army had. >Strangely, the Franco-Prussian War didn't seem to be as much like the Civil >War as one might expect, and then again it was: in that it was not a trench >war, but a war of movement, ending with the siege of Paris. It was, of >course, following this war, with the effective isolation of France from >European affairs by the wiley Bismarck that the contingency plan of attack >was conceived by von Schlieffen - the plan that would be loosed in 1914. It >has been drilled into my head that the WWI was NOT a 19th century war fought >with 20th century means. It was a unique war of advanced technology fought, >for the most part, by vast conscript armies, who were ignorant of the >strategic and tactical power afforded by the tools of war. It was bloodier >than any war that has ever been fought by man (yes, including WW2), and >though battlefield medicine was better, it was by no means true 'surgery' - >which would be performed at rear-area hospitals. IIRC, the creation of a >true 'Medical Corps' was still a way off: soldiers patched together other >soldiers and hoped to move them to the rear for adequate treatment. > The high explosive and gas shells that rained destruction on France >still claim lives today - there is still a special unit in France devoted to >removing live shells that fell nearly 100 years ago, and the occasional >farmer still accidentally plows up shells which do to him what was expected >of them when first fired. What a legacy... > > >DB > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:48:12 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: modern warfare in 1914 Message-ID: >It was a unique war of advanced technology fought, >for the most part, by vast conscript armies, who were ignorant >of the strategic and tactical power afforded by the tools of war. Ross Mallet of ADFA published his Honours Thesis, "The Interplay between Technology, Tactics and Organisation in the First AIF" on the web at; http://www.adfa.oz.au/~rmallett/Thesis/ Though it centres on the Australian forces it is an excellent read on the evolving tactics and experience of the AIF in World War I. cam Australian Flying Corps - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:54:18 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: modern warfare in 1914 Message-ID: <11.2ef93c2.26377c1a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/00 4:43:49 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << there is still a special unit in France devoted to removing live shells that fell nearly 100 years ago, and the occasional farmer still accidentally plows up shells which do to him what was expected of them when first fired. What a legacy... >> I will always remember how surprised I was when visiting my then-wife's family in Louisiana, and digging Minie Balls out of the trees in their orchard. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:55:57 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More Camel Pix... Message-ID: <94.38309c2.26377c7d@aol.com> Hey, DB: Would you *pleeaaasssee* consider doing that seat in 1/48 and making resin castings for those of us not so dexterous (or looney)??? Pretty please?????? Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:26:24 -0400 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Attention Nieuport Experten---Got A Question Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:10:03 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > >I'm about to embark on building the Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 23 kit (8075) which >features box top art of the "Boris" "Bob" machine flown by the Russians. >Question to all, the Squadron Nieuport book has both an illustration and >photo (page 30) of this machine and identifies it as a Nie 17, most likely >due to the center mounted machine gun. Now I know it is really difficult to >tell the difference between the 17 and 23 since the engine (in some) and the >gun location (in some) are different. Does any one have any knowledge of >photo's of "Bob" with the gun offset and is this really a Nie 23? >TIA I had the same questions and decided that I would do it as a 17 with the gun center-mounted. With all the similarities btwn the 17 and 23 it would be hard to tell w/o further photographic evidence. Now all I'm waiting on is this rain and humidity to dry-up so I can get it painted. Len ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:21:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Vimy Flies Again! Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F57@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Tom, > << > Life is unjust. It'll end up owned by one of TC's "pals" > who'll paint it red > with faux loz wings because it looks good that way :-( > >> > > You, sir, are revealing your socialist underpinnings with > that comment! :-3 > An old commo, that's me ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:29:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F58@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Chris comments: > I agree completely with your points; I am trying to walk the > line between > real excitement over what I think is a great OT book, and > still realizing > that errors are bound to happen, and that other list members > are among the > most qualified folks around to determine just what is > accurate or not! Many > new to me photos-I unfortunately do not own every one the of > 10 million > issues of OTF/C&C and so on...I also am inspired by the profiles, even > where I question some choices...let me add again, any more > comments/errors/praises? > FWIW I agree with both TC and yourself on this - the book is good value and selling to people other than we cognoscenti and that can only be good. There were a few comments about the book a couple of days before you asked. Since your question didn't allude to the previous thread you might want to go back about a week in the archives. I don't have any extra nits to pick since then. Having found one clanger I'm happy to accept the rest at face value until I want to use the book as a model reference, at which point being forwarned that there may be the odd problem I'll look a little more deeply at my chosen subject and use my own judgement. In the meanwhile I'll take the book to bed at night for some inspirational reading. Nothing like those ply fuselages to give one a ..... Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:44:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F59@mimhexch.mim.com.au> DB gives > My definition of an Austrailian: > > Basically the same as an American, basicaly the same origins as us > Americans, just as tough, if not tougher than Americans, just > with a better > command of the English language than us Americans! LOL Close enough, but we'd say: > My definition of an Yank: > > Basically the same as an Aussie, basicaly the same origins as us > Aussies, just as tough, if not tougher than Aussies, no > idea about the English language at all, but > with a living language of their own which is often > incredibly apposite. But we'll fix that. In line with my new image as a commo, I should warn you that we're intent on some reverse cultural imperialism, to which end we've had Australians appointed as the heads of Coke and Ford (business symbols), walk off with NBA and World Series rings (sports), and take over entertainment (Fox, News Corp). The way I see it is that when the Smithsonian finishes this new museum they're to build in Brisbane we can offer space for some of those reputedly poorly displayed aircraft in Washington, especially the WW1 ones ! HUGE ++++> :-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:42:13 -0700 From: Christopher Crofoot To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Civil Vs. Great Message-ID: <39064975.2D94B041@northnet.net> "I'm no expert, neither in WW1 nor in the Civil War, but may I differ from your opinion? Altough the American Civil War gave a glimpse of modern industrial times in warfare, a horrible glimpse of the wars to come, the nature of the Civil War was more tied to a "movement" war than a stalemate as the Great War." USMA teaches that the US Civil war was the first modern war that introduced all the modern elements of the 'defence'...barbwire---extensive trenchworks---machine guns. Those technological developements were still in their infancy and thus weren't used too well. 50 years later and some more technology to boot...primarily breech loading artillery w/ recoil mechanism and the defense had become king. The only reason that WWI devolved into trench murder is that the Commanders didn't have the sense to develop an alternative other than the frontal attack to defeat the defensive position. The Germans came up with a solution with their infiltration tactics at the end of the war. Unfortunately for them they were too late...as their populace was exhausted and the US started putting fresh troops into the Allied lines. If you want a glimpse of what the Europeans were going to go through in WWI all you have to do is visit Gettysburg Battlefield. The Soldiers that crossed that rolling mile of fields must have had cajones the size of grapefruit! I don't think I could have done it! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:49:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F5A@mimhexch.mim.com.au> DB comments: > Remember that in all > publishing, errors occur > here and there. I say Dicta Ira and enjoy the thing! Once again we tread the slippery slopes of constructive criticism. The question is: While not wishing to make a good book look just okay, how do we let our brethren know that they may be about to build a model which may later diappoint them for want of a timely warning? I have a nice-ish SE-5a sitting on my shelf which I wish I'd mentioned in time for the list to save my bacon. It could easily happen with an Albatros too. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:50:11 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: FT-17 Interior Message-ID: <39064B53.5B7A@airmail.net> I'm looking for a reference that shows a typical FT-17 interior. Anyone have an idea where I could find one? Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:03:07 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <000701bfaf23$9172cfc0$e40156d1@default> With due respect to all the brave Austrailians and New Zealanders who served at such cost, my wife was wondering if the Light Horsemen (she saw the movie) were considered ANZAC troops, or did the term ANZAC apply only to the Galipoli troops? Please accept my apology for being so ignorant in the matter sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:59:33 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: <200004260202.TAA16148@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:00:31 -0400 (EDT), Shane Weier wrote: > Once again we tread the slippery slopes of constructive criticism. The > question is: While not wishing to make a good book look just okay, how do we > let our brethren know that they may be about to build a model which may > later diappoint them for want of a timely warning? Do what we did with the VVS aces book - publish a list of known errors on the site, and let everybody now about it on the various forums. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:00:41 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: FT-17 Interior Message-ID: <200004260203.TAA17088@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:55:19 -0400 (EDT), Marc Flake wrote: > I'm looking for a reference that shows a typical FT-17 interior. Anyone > have an idea where I could find one? Ask Glen Broman! Glen, would you like to answer this one? :-P I have one reference, but I have to track it down. If you don't hear from me in a few days, send a reminder message. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:03:38 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hiero engine Message-ID: <39064E79.5FBE239F@banet.net> If you can manage to get to Museo Politecnico Di Torino, a link for which is on the wwi modeling page ref page (my browser cannot acces just now for some reason), you will find a resource for almost all the OT engines, including at least one variant of the Hiero. SK Michael Kendix wrote: > Does anyone know where I could find a picture of the Hiero 200/230hp engine > used in Phonix types? > > Michael > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:01:02 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: More Camel Pix... Message-ID: <001801bfaf23$fe728f20$9293aec7@dora9sprynet.com> It ain't the desire, Tommy me boy, it's the ability! I don't think that I could get things scaled down enough for a seat in 1/48, and then as far as casting it goes, I wouldn't know how to do a mold that would capture that 'x' section in back. I'll mull it over, but I ain't promising anything... DB -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:59 PM Subject: Re: More Camel Pix... >Hey, DB: > >Would you *pleeaaasssee* consider doing that seat in 1/48 and making resin >castings for those of us not so dexterous (or looney)??? Pretty please?????? > >Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2288 **********************