WWI Digest 2286 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The Vimy Flies Again! by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 2) Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by Chris Anderson 3) Hiero engine by "Michael Kendix" 4) Re: Stropp Changes by Chris Anderson 5) Strutter Datafile by "Brad & Merville" 6) Re: Paul Gaudette Books by "Brad & Merville" 7) Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by "K. Hagerup" 8) Re: Interior Plywood by "Lance Krieg" 9) Re: RE: Osprey Albatros Aces by "Lance Krieg" 10) Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by "laskodi" 11) Re: Fokker Evolution by "Lance Krieg" 12) Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by Chris Anderson 13) Re: lozenge helmets 2 by Matthew Zivich 14) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by Matthew Zivich 15) Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by Albatrosdv@aol.com 16) Re: The Vimy Flies Again! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) Re: The Vimy Flies Again! by Dave Watts 18) RE: Hiero engine by "dfernet0" 19) Re: The Vimy Flies Again! by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: Vac to work by "Len Smith" 21) Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by Chris Anderson 22) Armor Sale by "Matt Bittner" 23) More Camel Pix... by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: ANZAC Day by "DAVID BURKE" 25) Re: The Vimy Flies Again! by "DAVID BURKE" 26) Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book by "DAVID BURKE" 27) Re: lozenge - ? by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:35:41 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Vimy Flies Again! Message-ID: >I wonder if there will be a documentary National Geographic Special too?. >When I last looked at the web site for the Vimy, there was mention of >duplicating the Alcock and Brown flight too. >Does anyone know if this is really in the works. (I've since lost the web >address). > > Oh boyI hope they try to recreate Alcock and brown's flight. . .seeing as they took off about a mile away from where I'm sitting!!! My late grandmother used to tell me stories about when the Vimy left from St. John's. She said she remembers watching and then asking her father 'Daddy, why did the wheels fall off?" If anyone finds out if they're headed this way let me know so I can stock up on film.:-) Mark V-J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:21:20 -0400 From: Chris Anderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: Hello All! Been off-list for a while; sorry if this has been covered already, but what are the opinions regarding the accuracy of information? I found a few things I questioned, but otherwise thought it is one of the best OT volumes in approach, a mix of squadron/bio info + photos/profiles geared towards the color/markings fanatic. Serious and repeated errors would certainly compromise the books value, however - what do you all think? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:20:10 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hiero engine Message-ID: <20000425142010.5293.qmail@hotmail.com> Does anyone know where I could find a picture of the Hiero 200/230hp engine used in Phonix types? Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:21:28 -0400 From: Chris Anderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Stropp Changes Message-ID: So...what is DSA's take on the correct version of Stropp/pilot etc. Can anyone provide the article? Thanks, Chris >Therr was a rather caustic letter to the editor of WWI Aero by Dan-San >Abbott about the changes to Stropp. Apparently DSA has discovered who the >pilot was and when the Aircraft was shot down. > >His criticism boils down to this: Stropp left the factory in Mauve/Green >camo, with Iron Crosses. He complains that for the restoration, the Loz was >wrong in the first place. 2nd, now that the crosses have been changed, the >insignia & the Loz are both wrong. I wouldn't want to debate him. > >Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:48:47 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Strutter Datafile Message-ID: <00c101bfaec5$5da5cac0$778c5ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Greetings from the hallowed halls of Brad's library, Looking through the new datafile on the single-seat Strutter, I notice that the serial of the one on the cover is listed as unknown. However a cross-reference to my article on No.3 Wing RNAS in the 13/4 issue of OTF lists a/c 9 as carrying the serial 9741. Guess I have one more profile to add to my 3 Wing pages next week. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:57:33 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Paul Gaudette Books Message-ID: <00ce01bfaec6$96b894e0$778c5ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Dave The recent BBC documentary Walking With Dinosaurs is triggering a new Dinosaur publishing blitz. Now would be a good time to start grabbing those OT books whilst I am thus distracted. Brad nr: Walking With Dinosaurs - the book nl: Bob explaining 1 1/2 Strutter serials while we get ready to leave for the RCAF Museum which is about an hours drive from here. -----Original Message----- From: Zulis@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Paul Gaudette Books > >John writes: > ><< Received an entirely OT flyer from the subject bookseller today. Many > titles too pricey for my tastes ($85 for the Apostolo book -yikes!) but > almost 300 titles to choose from. Still advertising the FMP IRAS book for > 49.95. No web page but e-mail at pgbooks@aol.com. > > I was thinking that a list like this in Dave Z's hands is something like > storing matches with the gasoline. >> > >I really must work on keeping a lower profile.... :-) > >Actually, one of the unexpected nice things about getting the book collection >up over the 250 or so mark - there arent as many books out there that I need >anymore. I am now a much less voracious book-buyer. Down to about a book >every other week or so (I have been using the patch to help me cut down). >Of course, then there is Brad..... > >DZ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:15:55 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: <3905B6AB.790F@prodigy.net> Chris Anderson wrote: > > Hello All! > > Been off-list for a while; sorry if this has been covered already, but what > are the opinions regarding the accuracy of information? I found a few > things I questioned, but otherwise thought it is one of the best OT volumes > in approach, a mix of squadron/bio info + photos/profiles geared towards > the color/markings fanatic. Serious and repeated errors would certainly > compromise the books value, however - what do you all think? Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but isn't profile 25 a D.II, and not a D.III as captioned? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:22:10 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Interior Plywood Message-ID: Otis ruminates: "... the interior color of the wood on the Siemens Schuckert? Do you think it is as dark as the exterior or would it be lighter?" It stands to reason that the manufacturer would refrain from adding a dark stain, if for no other reason than to save money. At the same time, the need to improve visibility in the cockpits led Brandenburg, for instance, to paint some of their products white. I would go for the light plywood, in the absence of documentation to the contrary. IMHO, of course, and YMMV Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:46:22 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: RE: Osprey Albatros Aces Message-ID: I, too, received my copy yesterday and am generally pleased with the effort. There are more than a few nits, however, with the profiles .... Jacobs' D.II is repeatedly referred to as a D.III, which is just sloppy proof reading. And are all those D.Vs really D.Vs, or should some be D.Vas? The frontise piece of vBonig's wonderful D.Va speculates that the unnamed NCO in the cockpit might be the successor pilot after vBonig's May 1918 wounding... but the cross pattee is clearly pre-April. A very useful little volume, but I'd double check the profile to the photos before I started a model, and take the captions with a grain of salt, too. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:54:48 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: <002d01bfaece$96e2b880$253819d0@laskodi> Yes, that is one of the many "nit-picks" I had with the book. There are a few of these little boo-boo's sprinkeled about the book but overall I rate the book as an A- with regards to historical accuracy. Overall I rate the book as a solid A and found it very well done and entertaining. To give it the ultimate endorsement, I got the book via Tom Cleaver for free to do a review on it and I liked it so much I went out and bought with my own money its companion Nieuport volume. That says it all!!!! -----Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Hagerup" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book > Chris Anderson wrote: > > > > Hello All! > > > > Been off-list for a while; sorry if this has been covered already, but what > > are the opinions regarding the accuracy of information? I found a few > > things I questioned, but otherwise thought it is one of the best OT volumes > > in approach, a mix of squadron/bio info + photos/profiles geared towards > > the color/markings fanatic. Serious and repeated errors would certainly > > compromise the books value, however - what do you all think? > > Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but isn't profile 25 a > D.II, and not a D.III as captioned? > > Ken > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:51:33 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Fokker Evolution Message-ID: Ern asks: "Can someone tell me about the D-I, D-III, and D-IV? Were these actual production models or one shot prototypes? Does the Fokker Fighters file have GA's of all the types?" The D.I and D.IV were both powered by inline (Mercedes?) engines, while the D.III had the 14- cylinder Oberursel rotary. All were production machines that saw some action on the Western Front. The Fokker Fighters special has drawings for all these types, and is recommended for any project to depict the entire stable of Fokker products. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:58:14 -0400 From: Chris Anderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: Yes, I don't have the book in front of me, but I think that was one of the errors I noticed...any more? Chris >Chris Anderson wrote: >> >> Hello All! >> >> Been off-list for a while; sorry if this has been covered already, but what >> are the opinions regarding the accuracy of information? I found a few >> things I questioned, but otherwise thought it is one of the best OT volumes >> in approach, a mix of squadron/bio info + photos/profiles geared towards >> the color/markings fanatic. Serious and repeated errors would certainly >> compromise the books value, however - what do you all think? > >Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but isn't profile 25 a >D.II, and not a D.III as captioned? > >Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:12:57 -0400 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lozenge helmets 2 Message-ID: <3905C408.31C22F84@svsu.edu> I've noticed that the Germans have used this type of camo. on other military items as well such as their helmets. The broken pattern of light and dark colors also helps to break up the silhouette of the object making it more difficult to comprehend. Matt Z. John Glaser wrote: > Now RK said it so I don't need to repeat it but.... A memorable shot > nonetheless. And as a card-carrying member of Dave Z's laity, I would have > missed it completely if my friend with the artist's eye hadn't pointed it > out. > > - JCG > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > KarrArt@aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 6:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: lozenge ? > > In a message dated 4/24/00 3:34:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Zulis@aol.com > writes: > > << > That is a VERY laypersons description of what is going on.... but it works > for me. > > Dave Z >> > > I think I may have mentioned this before, but there's a shot in the "4 > years > of Thunder" documentary of the Rhinebeck D.VII banking away from the camera, > and those lozenge wings just melt into nothingness- and at not too great a > distence. > RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:21:59 -0400 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <3905C626.CEDCA41@svsu.edu> Witold, Can you identify the wire on the left or port side of the aircraft that started on the underside of the wing and attached to the same side cabane strut, then traveled to the rear on the surface of the fuselage and entered the interior of the fuselage slightly to the left and front of the cockpit? I'm thinking it had to be connected to the radiator and an interior gauge possibly. You gave a very detailed description of the Oeffag Alb and I admit I briefly read over it, but can you also identify the access door that is a vertical rectangle with rounded corners on either side of the fuselage just in front of the cockpit This too is unique to the Oeffag aircraft. Matt Z. Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > laskodi napisał(a): > > > > I am currently building the Blue Max Alby OEF. I have ordered the Datafile > > on it from Roll but it's taking forever to get here (see previous thread on > > poor service!). Does the DF have some good pics or drawings showing the > > interior arrangement? If the answer is no, I'm going to go ahead and build > > it like the regular Alby D.III cockpit that I know and love so well! > > TIA > > ------Bob > > Looking into my references about Polish Oeffags I see many differences. > > cockpit: > There was some modifications durring production of oeffags but typical > there were on the left: oil presure gauge "Daimler", clock, next front > from left to right altimeter, fuel presure gauge, inclination meter > (front/back and left/right), engine speed meter "Morell". At right lower > side was starter "Bosh". (I hope you understand my technical english > isn't good). Compass on the floor on the right side. Tachometer was > installed outside of cockpit on the left V strut with anemometer, > Most of this can be seen in "Albatros In Action" on p.42. It is most > probably early Oeffag. Tehre are from left, altimeter, engene speed > gauge, inclination meter and below starter crank. Note Schwarzlose > mounting points. Sometimes between guns in central there was fuel gauge > "Absolut". > Other differences: > > Guns (Schwarzlose) inside fuselage firing under exhaust pipes, but some > of 253serie had guns moved up firing over pipes (253.31, 64 116-120 > maybe others). > Different engines Austro-Daimler 185hp (D.II, 53), 200hp(153) and > 225hp(253) > Straight exhaust pipes, one for each cylinder > Central wing radiator for all oeffags. > Larger underfin but not as big as German D.V > Additional fuel tank in upper wing, left of radiator (looking from > cockpit) - in german D.III this tank was inside fuselage > In 153s nad 253s upper wing was moved little forward (22cm before lower > in 53.2 23.6cm in 153) > Strenhgted construction of wings > Trailing edge of ailerons and elevator made of wire in most of 253s and > some last 153s oeffags - waves like on wing trailing edge. > Engine cover - used in winter(?) > Many of early 153 had removed spinner, from 153.112 fuselage front was > changed (elipsoid cover instead of spinner) That wasn't only for 253 > > I know you asked only for interior details but I think this can help > when you start exterior ;-) > Cheers. > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:41:08 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: Rather than talk about the errors in this book, I'd like to say how glad I was to find a photo of Ltn. Josef Veltjens' Albatros DV that *finally* allowed me to figure out how the fuselage was painted (it wasn't overall red-blue), so I could do an airplane flown by this interesting and - at least to me - often-overlooked ace. That alone would be worth the cost of the book to me (the model now awaits final assembly), but there are several other photos that help answer some questions I have had. Plus those profiles give one such inspiration I am going to have to search out several more kits! Yeah, the other stuff can be bothersome, but when the LA Times publishes the word "Capital" in a front page headline where the word "Capitol" is proper, typos and minor changes are not so big. Anyone who can't figure out that a profile of an Albatros D.II has been mis-labeled a D.III probably should be over discussing WW1 modeling at r.m.s. rather than here. (No put-down of anyone here - I mean that we as a group are smart enough to figure these things out.) Several ot modelers I know have bought this book, and an Eduard kit, as their first OT project since they think the Albatros is "cool" just on its looks, so the book has already accomplished the purpose of expanding the congregants in the One True Religion. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:43:26 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Vimy Flies Again! Message-ID: <94.37ea4c9.2637252e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/00 2:11:19 AM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Life is unjust. It'll end up owned by one of TC's "pals" who'll paint it red with faux loz wings because it looks good that way :-( >> LOL! You, sir, are revealing your socialist underpinnings with that comment! :-3 TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:43:29 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Vimy Flies Again! Message-ID: <200004251644.LAA98537@ind.cioe.com> Hi all, I'm on the board of the GWAA, (the group that has that WWI air show in Dayton at the USAF Museum), and it sounds like we may have the Vimy stop by on a flight they are doing across the US. I don't have the details, I just remember it's in the works. Best, Dave Watts P.S. We'll have to organize those members of this group that will be attending this summer. The dates are September 28th - October 1st. The next time we will do it will be 2003 for the Wright brothers' centennial. At 09:07 AM 4/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >>I wonder if there will be a documentary National Geographic Special too?. >>When I last looked at the web site for the Vimy, there was mention of >>duplicating the Alcock and Brown flight too. >>Does anyone know if this is really in the works. (I've since lost the web >>address). >> >> >Oh boyI hope they try to recreate Alcock and brown's flight. . .seeing as >they took off about a mile away from where I'm sitting!!! My late >grandmother used to tell me stories about when the Vimy left from St. >John's. She said she remembers watching and then asking her father 'Daddy, >why did the wheels fall off?" > >If anyone finds out if they're headed this way let me know so I can stock >up on film.:-) > >Mark V-J > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:46:43 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: RE: Hiero engine Message-ID: <005301bfaed5$d6793d00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michael Go to St. Harry's book. IIRC there's a Hiero Engine picture there, with some cylinders cut in halves. I don't know if it is the type you need, but is worth a look. HTH D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 11:25 AM Subject: Hiero engine > Does anyone know where I could find a picture of the Hiero 200/230hp engine > used in Phonix types? > > Michael > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:51:15 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The Vimy Flies Again! Message-ID: <000601bfaed6$7a169d40$b593aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >In a message dated 4/25/00 2:11:19 AM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > ><< > Life is unjust. It'll end up owned by one of TC's "pals" who'll paint it red > with faux loz wings because it looks good that way :-( > >> > > >LOL! > >You, sir, are revealing your socialist underpinnings with that comment! :-3 > >TC C'MON GUYS, WE'RE NOT GONNA START UP WITH ALL OF THAT HORSE SH*T AGAIN, ARE WE?? DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:01:01 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Vac to work Message-ID: <000201bfaed8$8b6e64e0$55857ed4@mesh> sp, By coincidence on my workbench at the moment is the same kit. The tail end controls ran through the prop shaft, with the rudder cables coming through the a/c side about level with the rear support for the elevator. There are two rather poor photos of the naked airframe in Jack Bruce's WW1 Fighters Vol.4 that show what appears to be a long rod (tube?) running back to the tail area, suggesting that like the ailerons the elevator was operated by a system of rods and levers. The sketch on the instruction sheet is only half correct, roundels were on the bottom of the lower wing as well as the bottom and top of the upper wing. Single lift and flying wires are rigged from back and front of the I struts. The painting instructions for the rudder have the blue and red sections incorrectly reversed. The FMP book has a drawingf the a/c and two rather poor photos, in fact all photos of this machine are poor. Possibly the photographer had just returned from a flight in the a/c and his nerves were not yet back under control ! If you need any further help or scans please let me know. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: Vac to work > I finished a glut of ot modeling this weekend when I finished up 3 kits I > had been building for/with my daughter. I had promised no more airplanes > till they were finished. > > So, as a treat for finishing, I began my Scaleplanes Dufaux Fighter (1:72) .. > I had had it up to my eye teeth with Revell Spad so I stuck it in the drawer > till the Dufaux and a resin Albatros D.II are done. > > The parts are sanding out nicely and I had forgotten what a perfect medium > vacuform makes for 1:72 WWI aircraft. The smaller parts are so easy to sand > evenly > > On the Dufaux Fighter there are but 3 points of attachment between the front > & rear sections. The prop shaft and the two tie rods from tailskid to L/G. > Now where did the elevator & rudder cables run? Since it was geared and > offset from the engine, thru the propshaft? Anyone know or care to > speculate? > > TIA > sp > > > E-mail smperry@mindspring.com > Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:02:39 -0400 From: Chris Anderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: Tom wrote: >Rather than talk about the errors in this book, I'd like to say how glad I >was to find a photo of Ltn. Josef Veltjens' Albatros DV that *finally* >allowed me to figure out how the fuselage was painted (it wasn't overall >red-blue), so I could do an airplane flown by this interesting and - at least >to me - often-overlooked ace. That alone would be worth the cost of the book >to me (the model now awaits final assembly), but there are several other >photos that help answer some questions I have had. Plus those profiles give >one such inspiration I am going to have to search out several more kits! > >Yeah, the other stuff can be bothersome, but when the LA Times publishes the >word "Capital" in a front page headline where the word "Capitol" is proper, >typos and minor changes are not so big. Anyone who can't figure out that a >profile of an Albatros D.II has been mis-labeled a D.III probably should be >over discussing WW1 modeling at r.m.s. rather than here. (No put-down of >anyone here - I mean that we as a group are smart enough to figure these >things out.) Several ot modelers I know have bought this book, and an Eduard >kit, as their first OT project since they think the Albatros is "cool" just >on its looks, so the book has already accomplished the purpose of expanding >the congregants in the One True Religion. :-) > >Tom Cleaver I agree completely with your points; I am trying to walk the line between real excitement over what I think is a great OT book, and still realizing that errors are bound to happen, and that other list members are among the most qualified folks around to determine just what is accurate or not! Many new to me photos-I unfortunately do not own every one the of 10 million issues of OTF/C&C and so on...I also am inspired by the profiles, even where I question some choices...let me add again, any more comments/errors/praises? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:23:45 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Armor Sale Message-ID: <200004251725.NAA12367@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Mighty Military Miniatures is no longer going to carry some of the small scale armor, like Modelkrak, PART and MARS. The owner has reduced cost of these manufacturers at 25% off, so if you want the WW1 armored cars from Modelkrak, now is the time to get them. His URL is: http://home.att.net/~d.kuligowski/ It's best to contact him before ordering, though. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:55:52 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: More Camel Pix... Message-ID: <009a01bfaeda$cd326a00$b593aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Kids, Just to let y'all know that Allan and I finally got our bugs worked out and so the other 5 pics of the Camel under construction are now up, including 2 extra views of the seat, and other stuff. Just look at my little slice of the Image Gallery and they're right there! NOW- If I can only find some of those parts I've mislaid... DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:00:45 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <009b01bfaeda$ce250760$b593aec7@dora9sprynet.com> My definition of an Austrailian: Basically the same as an American, basicaly the same origins as us Americans, just as tough, if not tougher than Americans, just with a better command of the English language than us Americans! DB -----Original Message----- From: cameron rile To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 11:44 PM Subject: Re: ANZAC Day > >>Or ever served under bigger British morons, < > >It isnt quite that simple, by 1918 most Corps level leadership was Australian. Australian >leadership killed many Australians too. The Australia Corps suffered a bit for having Birdwood >who used the Corps as careerist rather than Byng who more quickly nationalised the Canada >Corps at it's upper levels. By the end of 1918 the AIF in Europe was having trouble >replenishing numbers and one division was essentially reinforcements. Also in late 1918 AIF >soldiers were being offered "ANZAC Leave" if they had been fighting since Gallipoli, meaning >they could go on leave to Australia instead of getting leave to London or Cairo. > >ANZAC Day quite rightly is a prominent day in Australia as it is the day Australia hit the word >stage in it's own right. The first world war marks the point when Australia, Britain and the rest >of the word discovered that Australia had a unique culture and it's people were unique as well. >Rather than just being a minor colony that happened to have self government and it's own form >of democracy. > >The Australian Imperial Force in WWI was a volunteer Army as well, meaning anyone who >wanted to fight in the AIF overseas could. Many men and women of other nations fought under >the Australian flag including, New Zealanders, English, Canadians, Scots, Irish, Welsh, >Dutch, Russian, American etc. The Australian Flying Corps has amongst other Australian, >New Zealand, English and Dutch, two Americans in their Roll of Honour. > > >Anzac Day links; >http://www.acn.net.au/articles/anzac/ >http://www.anzacday.org.au/ > > > > >cam >AFC page - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm > >______________________________________________________________ >Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:03:13 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The Vimy Flies Again! Message-ID: <009c01bfaeda$cf17a4c0$b593aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Dave Watts said: >Hi all, > > I'm on the board of the GWAA.... Funny, that's the sound I made when that board landed on me! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:09:40 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book Message-ID: <009e01bfaeda$d0aa79c0$b593aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Guys, I have the book too, and I do have to say that a D.!! and D.III are fairly easy to distinguish. Overall, this book is worth every penny I paid, and the plates are nice too. Remember that in all publishing, errors occur here and there. I say Dicta Ira and enjoy the thing! DB -----Original Message----- From: K. Hagerup To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Evaluation of new Osprey Albatros book >Chris Anderson wrote: >> >> Hello All! >> >> Been off-list for a while; sorry if this has been covered already, but what >> are the opinions regarding the accuracy of information? I found a few >> things I questioned, but otherwise thought it is one of the best OT volumes >> in approach, a mix of squadron/bio info + photos/profiles geared towards >> the color/markings fanatic. Serious and repeated errors would certainly >> compromise the books value, however - what do you all think? > >Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but isn't profile 25 a >D.II, and not a D.III as captioned? > >Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:12:35 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: lozenge - ? Message-ID: <009f01bfaeda$d19d1720$b593aec7@dora9sprynet.com> AHA! So THAT explains the pink color on the underside loz - BUBBLE GUM!! DB -----Original Message----- From: Paul E. Thompson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:30 AM Subject: lozenge - ? >I thought the lozenges were to hide the chewing gum. Sorry - digest mode is >no aid to spontaneity. > > >Paul Thompson. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2286 **********************