WWI Digest 2283 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by "laskodi" 2) Re: BM Pfalz D.XII/ was: Eduard Info by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by "Matt Bittner" 4) Re: Resin kit suggestions by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) AMS by "Lance Krieg" 6) Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by "Paul E. Thompson" 7) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by "Ray Boorman" 8) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by Matthew Zivich 9) Re: AMS now SMS by "Ray Boorman" 10) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by "Ray Boorman" 11) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by "laskodi" 12) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by Otisgood@aol.com 13) Re: AMS now SMS by "DAVID BURKE" 14) ANZAC Day by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 15) lozenge ? by Mark Miller 16) Osprey's French Blue by "K. Hagerup" 17) Re: Eduard Info by Witold Kozakiewicz 18) Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF by Witold Kozakiewicz 19) Re: BM Pfalz D.XII/ was: Eduard Info by Witold Kozakiewicz 20) Re: lozenge ? by Zulis@aol.com 21) Re: lozenge ? by "Limon3" 22) Re: Resin kit suggestions by Witold Kozakiewicz 23) Re: lozenge ? by Lee Mensinger 24) Re: lozenge ? by "DAVID BURKE" 25) Re: ANZAC Day by "DAVID BURKE" 26) RE: The RADF Project, was, Re: OVERLOAD by Shane Weier 27) Re: lozenge ? by Lee Mensinger 28) Re: lozenge ? by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Re: ANZAC Day by Albatrosdv@aol.com 30) Will trade kits for AeroMaster 48-148 Pfalz DIIIa decals by Jim Matthiessen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:28:19 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <002901bfae23$3f8914e0$4a3819d0@laskodi> Wow Matt, and I thought the A in AMS was for advanced! -----Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF > On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:06:56 -0400 (EDT), Otisgood@aol.com wrote: > > > I can't imagine that there is that much difference. Basically exterior changes are what I recall as the distinguishing features: spinner and wing attachment improvements, but I'm not an Oef specialist. > > Not true. There are a few changes between the two. If you're anal > you'll fix them - if not, then do what you want. > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:24:09 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII/ was: Eduard Info Message-ID: <002201bfae22$ddd1d2a0$bb95aec7@dora9sprynet.com> -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII/ was: Eduard Info >In a message dated 4/24/00 9:53:09 AM EST, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: > ><< > Nothing, apparently, according to Tom Cleaver, the Pflaz D.XII is alright, > (see archive #2067 "Tom's BM explosion Take 420" :) ). > >> > LOL!! > >The only problem I know of with the BM kit is it's out of production and >largely unavailable. I do think, though, that according to current >production standards, a new mold Eduard kit would be superior (struts, etc.) > >Tom Cleaver How can one argue with that? DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:34:31 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <200004241936.PAA04662@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:28:01 -0400 (EDT), laskodi wrote: > Wow Matt, and I thought the A in AMS was for advanced! It is. When you suffer from AAMS, then that's what the "new" A stands for. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:02:44 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Resin kit suggestions Message-ID: <13.4548311.26360264@aol.com> In a message dated 4/24/00 2:09:16 PM EST, mvj@thetelegram.com writes: << I confess I've already been ogling the Spin Spad A2 and Bristol Bullet. Anyone suggest something that won't break the bank or over tax my lack of experience with resin kits? >> These two are perfect - the Bullet is as close to a "slammer" as you will get in WW1 modeling (see my review of it in Internet Modeler, last May I think). The Spad A.2. is not hard either, I am right in the middle of one. You can get them from listmember Lubos Vinar for the price of an Eduard kit, so they are not going to break the piggy bank (US$25 or so). Both of these definitely pass the "picky Tom test." The only other resin WW1 kits that are in the same universe with the Spin kits are the ones Cyg is doing at Passchendaele. (BTW - Cyg - lost your e-mail address in the address book crash - please contact me off-list about the review copy) HTH Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:10:54 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: AMS Message-ID: In the recent exchange: " I thought the A in AMS was for advanced!" " When you suffer from AAMS, then that's what the 'new' A stands for." I've got so many "A"s in front of my "MS" ( as in Angstrom-Adjusted Absurdly Advanced Acute Anal Modeler's Syndrome) that it is a mathematical certainty that I can't finish my OT 1/48 kits :-{ I'll make sure my widow knows how to find you all, and that Sandy Adams gets my Lonestar Junkers J. I'll just build the new Eduard kits, since they're coming out faster than I can keep up anyway. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:34:32 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000424223432.007cf4d0@pop.xs4all.nl> Bob- the Datafile has a cockpit shot showing a panel mounted on the left side with a number of switches and a couple of gauges. There are no complete cockpit views but many closeups showing partials that allow you to build up most of the picture. There's also a fair number of good shots showing the differences in gum arrangements. I'd really wait for the datafile. Paul Thompson. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:01:44 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <004c01bfae30$4be7aa00$9b1335d1@bconnected.net> Bob, the Japo book also shows a panel on the left side. Also a panel across the front and down the right front. The picture I am looking at has the guns in the cockpit poking through cutouts in the front panel. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul E. Thompson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 1:39 PM Subject: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF > Bob- the Datafile has a cockpit shot showing a panel mounted on the left > side with a number of switches and a couple of gauges. There are no > complete cockpit views but many closeups showing partials that allow you to > build up most of the picture. There's also a fair number of good shots > showing the differences in gum arrangements. I'd really wait for the > datafile. > > > Paul Thompson. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:11:11 -0400 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <3904B86F.DE05812D@svsu.edu> Ray Boorman wrote: > Bob, the Japo book also shows a panel on the left side. Also a panel across > the front and down the right front. The picture I am looking at has the guns > in the cockpit poking through cutouts in the front panel. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul E. Thompson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 1:39 PM > Subject: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF > > > Bob- the Datafile has a cockpit shot showing a panel mounted on the left > > side with a number of switches and a couple of gauges. There are no > > complete cockpit views but many closeups showing partials that allow you > to > > build up most of the picture. There's also a fair number of good shots > > showing the differences in gum arrangements. I'd really wait for the > > datafile. > > > > > > Paul Thompson. > > > >My picture shows bubble gum mounted under the seat and Wrigley's stuck on the > tip of the joystick. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:33:19 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: AMS now SMS Message-ID: <000901bfae34$b5809ae0$9b1335d1@bconnected.net> Then of course you have SMS Slow Modelers syndrome. Where it takes forever to get a model finished. Usually this is because of only being able to devote about 8 or so hours a week to building. Breakdown of which is; 30 mins per session to get set up, find the model and all its parts on workbench. 10 mins blowing the cobwebs and dust off. Another 30 mins trying to find a part you know you lost months ago, but are still not willing to accept. Then of course 5 mins to answer the first SWMBO request. Back for another 10 mins trying to remember where you were. Then of course 1 hour looking through your references that you have checked and rechecked and still have no clue how they rigged that doohickey (Sorry about the technical term) Then 30 mins of modeling where you probably attach 1 part, but fondle the plastic a lot. Another 30 mins trying to decide if you mounted it straight, doesn't look right can't be straight procrastination Then of course at that crucial time the second SWMBO call, usually answered with a tightlipped wait a minute or worse!!$%. Then 1 hour later you return of course by this time its time for bed! This then gets repeated the next night!!! ;) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:35:18 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <001001bfae34$fc500be0$9b1335d1@bconnected.net> ROTFL ;|~ is all I have to say............ ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Zivich > > >My picture shows bubble gum mounted under the seat and Wrigley's stuck on the > > tip of the joystick. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:48:23 -0700 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <001701bfae36$d0d43b60$2a3819d0@laskodi> Geez, I don't think I'm good enough for 1:48 scale gum! Seriously, thanks to all that replied, your help is greatly appreciated. I will post pictures when it's finished. -----Bob > > >My picture shows bubble gum mounted under the seat and Wrigley's stuck on the > > tip of the joystick. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:55:54 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: In a message dated Mon, 24 Apr 2000 5:46:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "laskodi" writes: > Geez, I don't think I'm good enough for 1:48 scale gum! > Seriously, thanks to all that replied, your help is greatly appreciated. > I will post pictures when it's finished. > -----Bob > Just take it our of your mouth, divide it into 48 equal pieces, and there you have it! Stick where appropriate. Otis > > > > > >My picture shows bubble gum mounted under the seat and Wrigley's stuck > on the > > > tip of the joystick. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:51:18 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: AMS now SMS Message-ID: <000a01bfae37$3aa6afa0$b786aec7@dora9sprynet.com> ...and then there's MMS, or 'Manic Modeler's Syndrome' where you find yourself jumping into several ultra-detailed projects that you would never have dreamed of doing 2 months ago - and loving every damned minute of it! DB -----Original Message----- From: Ray Boorman To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: Re: AMS now SMS >Then of course you have SMS Slow Modelers syndrome. Where it takes forever >to get a model finished. Usually this is because of only being able to >devote about 8 or so hours a week to building. >Breakdown of which is; >30 mins per session to get set up, find the model and all its parts on >workbench. >10 mins blowing the cobwebs and dust off. >Another 30 mins trying to find a part you know you lost months ago, but are >still not willing to accept. >Then of course 5 mins to answer the first SWMBO request. >Back for another 10 mins trying to remember where you were. >Then of course 1 hour looking through your references that you have checked >and rechecked and still have no clue how they >rigged that doohickey (Sorry about the technical term) >Then 30 mins of modeling where you probably attach 1 part, but fondle the >plastic a lot. >Another 30 mins trying to decide if you mounted it straight, doesn't look >right can't be straight procrastination >Then of course at that crucial time the second SWMBO call, usually answered >with a tightlipped wait a minute or worse!!$%. >Then 1 hour later you return of course by this time its time for bed! >This then gets repeated the next night!!! ;) > >Ray > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:11:17 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <3904C685.949E99C2@tac.com.au> Hi, 85 years ago today, ANZAC (Australian & New Zealand Army Corps) troops landed in Gallipoli. Today we honour all our servicemen, past & present. "They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn; At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, We will remember them" "LEST WE FORGET" Shane & Lorna Jenkins ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2000 15:19:03 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: lozenge ? Message-ID: <20000424221903.16032.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> hi all Here's a question out of left field What's up with the german lozenge pattern camoflauge. Don't get me wrong, as a modeler I love it, but has anyone stopped to ask what the hell they were thinking. I always believed that a camoflauge scheme was meant to hide something and I can't imagine how you can hide anything covered in this stuff. Now I know the Germans didn't seem so concerned with "hiding" but the lozenge was applied at the factory. And I also know that at a distance the colors will blend together but still ... Of all the color schemes I've run across this one seems the strangest So - I was just wondering if anyone has come across some kind of rational for this Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:24:36 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Osprey's French Blue Message-ID: <3904C9A4.6BFB@prodigy.net> Just got the Osprey Nieuport book and noticed that Osprey favors the brighter, Tricolor blue over the more subdued, gray-blue of the Datafiles. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:03:36 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Info Message-ID: <39049A88.88DD529C@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Albatrosdv@aol.com napisał(a): > You can subscribe to the Golden Age list (as well as many others) at > www.onelist.com > > At present, the GA list is nowhere near so active as this list, but it's all > a function of getting a critical mass of "yakkers" involved. :-) > Thanks. I shall try. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:01:15 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Need Help On Albatros D.III OEF Message-ID: <3904B61B.DE57CF9A@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> laskodi napisał(a): > > I am currently building the Blue Max Alby OEF. I have ordered the Datafile > on it from Roll but it's taking forever to get here (see previous thread on > poor service!). Does the DF have some good pics or drawings showing the > interior arrangement? If the answer is no, I'm going to go ahead and build > it like the regular Alby D.III cockpit that I know and love so well! > TIA > ------Bob Looking into my references about Polish Oeffags I see many differences. cockpit: There was some modifications durring production of oeffags but typical there were on the left: oil presure gauge "Daimler", clock, next front from left to right altimeter, fuel presure gauge, inclination meter (front/back and left/right), engine speed meter "Morell". At right lower side was starter "Bosh". (I hope you understand my technical english isn't good). Compass on the floor on the right side. Tachometer was installed outside of cockpit on the left V strut with anemometer, Most of this can be seen in "Albatros In Action" on p.42. It is most probably early Oeffag. Tehre are from left, altimeter, engene speed gauge, inclination meter and below starter crank. Note Schwarzlose mounting points. Sometimes between guns in central there was fuel gauge "Absolut". Other differences: Guns (Schwarzlose) inside fuselage firing under exhaust pipes, but some of 253serie had guns moved up firing over pipes (253.31, 64 116-120 maybe others). Different engines Austro-Daimler 185hp (D.II, 53), 200hp(153) and 225hp(253) Straight exhaust pipes, one for each cylinder Central wing radiator for all oeffags. Larger underfin but not as big as German D.V Additional fuel tank in upper wing, left of radiator (looking from cockpit) - in german D.III this tank was inside fuselage In 153s nad 253s upper wing was moved little forward (22cm before lower in 53.2 23.6cm in 153) Strenhgted construction of wings Trailing edge of ailerons and elevator made of wire in most of 253s and some last 153s oeffags - waves like on wing trailing edge. Engine cover - used in winter(?) Many of early 153 had removed spinner, from 153.112 fuselage front was changed (elipsoid cover instead of spinner) That wasn't only for 253 I know you asked only for interior details but I think this can help when you start exterior ;-) Cheers. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:13:44 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII/ was: Eduard Info Message-ID: <3904B908.33848A14@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Otisgood@aol.com napisał(a): > Nothing's the matter with it, it just could be better. There is very little cockpit detail, no lozenge camo included, the molding is a bit heavy, etc, typical limited run production. Yes, it can be made into an acceptable model. However, I think Eduard could do a much better job with it, especially with their current technology. ALso, the BM kit is out of producrtion and harder to find. > > Otis But like we say in Polad "If you do not have what you like, you must like what you have" If you add some instruments and seatbelts from eduard set I think I should be nice kit, comparable with Gavia D.II. I have this kit and some others BM (none built yet ;-)) but I think I start from D.XII. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:32:23 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lozenge ? Message-ID: Mark writes: << So - I was just wondering if anyone has come across some kind of rational for this Mark >> Well, trying to avoid getting into the issue of scale colour here, small fields of rather odd colours can collectively create a more convincingly neutral "total" colour than could a plain, neutral grey. They choose the density of these colours for lighter and darker shades, but this all is about how the human eye perceives a mix of small colours at a distance. That is a VERY laypersons description of what is going on.... but it works for me. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:36:38 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: lozenge ? Message-ID: <006c01bfae3d$8ec0c7a0$79bf113f@f4w2s5> I think the answer is that they were trying to camouflage them as seen from above. Think of it as a giant camo uniform worn by a soldier. However, how it could be seen that way from below escapes me. The real reason was so that 80 odd years on, we modelers would have such a lovely time beating our collective heads against the wall........ ;-) Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Mark Miller To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 3:19 PM Subject: lozenge ? >hi all >Here's a question out of left field > >What's up with the german lozenge pattern camoflauge. >Don't get me wrong, as a modeler I love it, but has anyone stopped to ask what the hell they were thinking. I always believed that a camoflauge scheme was meant to hide something and I can't imagine how you can hide anything covered in this stuff. Now I know the Germans didn't seem so concerned with "hiding" but the lozenge was applied at the factory. And I also know that at a distance the colors will blend together but still ... Of all the color schemes I've run across this one seems the strangest > >So - I was just wondering if anyone has come across some kind of rational for this > >Mark > > >_______________________________________________________________________ > >Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! >http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go > >_______________________________________________________________________ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:39:41 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Resin kit suggestions Message-ID: <3904CD2D.4350181@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Mark Vaughan-Jackson napisał(a): > I was thinking resin since as yet I've never had the chance to pick one up. > Anyone got a good suggestion for a nice resin subject to start on? As Tom C. said Bristol M.1C is great. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:49:52 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Mark Miller Subject: Re: lozenge ? Message-ID: <3904CF90.9656D33@wireweb.net> It is related to certain functions of the eyeball and retina whereby the color you presently see is not what is seen when in flight and in other color areas. Oddly enough optical confusion sets in and the camouflage works. It was derived much more scientifically than may be readily apparent and there is a variety of patterns that were made and used. The usual is four color, five color and several for use around water. There are others that can always explain this much better than I do. Fact is - It works. In spite of what you may presently believe. Lee M Mark Miller wrote: > hi all > Here's a question out of left field > > What's up with the german lozenge pattern camoflauge. > Don't get me wrong, as a modeler I love it, but has anyone stopped to ask what the hell they were thinking. I always believed that a camoflauge scheme was meant to hide something and I can't imagine how you can hide anything covered in this stuff. Now I know the Germans didn't seem so concerned with "hiding" but the lozenge was applied at the factory. And I also know that at a distance the colors will blend together but still ... Of all the color schemes I've run across this one seems the strangest > > So - I was just wondering if anyone has come across some kind of rational for this > > Mark > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! > http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go > > _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:56:10 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: lozenge ? Message-ID: <001c01bfae40$49e2bf00$ba85aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >Mark --- writes: > ><< So - I was just wondering if anyone has come across some kind of rational >for this Mark >> > >Well, trying to avoid getting into the issue of scale colour here, small >fields of rather odd colours can collectively create a more convincingly >neutral "total" colour than could a plain, neutral grey. They choose the >density of these colours for lighter and darker shades, but this all is about >how the human eye perceives a mix of small colours at a distance. > >That is a VERY laypersons description of what is going on.... but it works >for me. > >Dave Z Hi, Actually, this is more related to Perception Theory, and the fact that yes, at a distance, the lozenge does create a greyed-out effect, but it also has the effect of tricking the mind to not see the A/C by allowing it to blend with the surroundings. Set your model down and walk across the room - then turn around for a while and look quickly for the model (set it amongst debris and you'll see the effect further). Smart kids, them nasty ol' Huns! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:58:12 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <002101bfae40$92cb4c00$ba85aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I like the Pogue's song about Gallipoli. One of their best. No braver men ever saw combat. DB -----Original Message----- From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 5:18 PM Subject: ANZAC Day > Hi, > > 85 years ago today, ANZAC (Australian & New Zealand Army Corps) troops >landed in Gallipoli. > > Today we honour all our servicemen, past & present. > > "They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old; > Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn; > At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, > We will remember them" > > "LEST WE FORGET" > > Shane & Lorna Jenkins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:33:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The RADF Project, was, Re: OVERLOAD Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F4B@mimhexch.mim.com.au> E says: >And isn't the text in some language I don't > read? > Inevitably....... Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:35:12 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lozenge ? Message-ID: <3904DA30.850B7344@wireweb.net> I knew some one else could explain it as good or better than me. But that is the deal. The whole thing is an illusion and another way to create one. Lee M. DAVID BURKE wrote: > >Mark > --- writes: > > > ><< So - I was just wondering if anyone has come across some kind of > rational > >for this Mark >> > > > >Well, trying to avoid getting into the issue of scale colour here, small > >fields of rather odd colours can collectively create a more convincingly > >neutral "total" colour than could a plain, neutral grey. They choose > the > >density of these colours for lighter and darker shades, but this all is > about > >how the human eye perceives a mix of small colours at a distance. > > > >That is a VERY laypersons description of what is going on.... but it works > >for me. > > > >Dave Z > > Hi, > > Actually, this is more related to Perception Theory, and the fact that > yes, at a distance, the lozenge does create a greyed-out effect, but it also > has the effect of tricking the mind to not see the A/C by allowing it to > blend with the surroundings. Set your model down and walk across the room - > then turn around for a while and look quickly for the model (set it amongst > debris and you'll see the effect further). > > Smart kids, them nasty ol' Huns! > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:44:27 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lozenge ? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/24/00 3:34:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << That is a VERY laypersons description of what is going on.... but it works for me. Dave Z >> I think I may have mentioned this before, but there's a shot in the "4 years of Thunder" documentary of the Rhinebeck D.VII banking away from the camera, and those lozenge wings just melt into nothingness- and at not too great a distence. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:50:26 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ANZAC Day Message-ID: <9d.48521ae.263637c2@aol.com> In a message dated 4/24/00 6:07:40 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << No braver men ever saw combat. >> Or ever served under bigger British morons, which had the effect of making Australia and New Zealand afterwards far less likely to be the tail wagged by the British dog. This had great effect in WW2 and had more than a bit to do with the revolving-door of British Generals until Montgomery came along and showed he could make the losses mean something - like winning. The sad things is, Gallipoli was a good idea, and properly executed could have had the effect Churchill thought it might. Unfortunately, those appointed to execute the plan weren't up to finding the zipper on their fly with a 30 minute advance notice on a clear day, let alone running a battle. As is usual throughout the First World War, the lower ranks were far superior to the upper. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:19:28 -0400 From: Jim Matthiessen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Will trade kits for AeroMaster 48-148 Pfalz DIIIa decals Message-ID: <3904E48F.D4B8326C@worldnet.att.net> I am still trying to obtain a set of the AeroMaster decals for the 1/48 scale Pfalz D IIIa for an internet disabled friend of mine. The sheet is number 48-148. I have contacted the hobby shops that have been recommended by various list members (thank you very much for the suggestions), but no one has had this sheet in stock. I have nowhere to turn except the members of this list. I have three Eduard 1/48 kits. I am willing to trade any one of them for the AeroMaster sheet. The kits I have are: # 8020 Sopwith triplane "Black Flight" with photoetch parts. # 8031 Pfalz D III "Werner Voss" with photoetch parts. # 8013 Albatros D. V "Hippel, Goring" with photoetch parts. Each of the boxes has been opened, but the inner bags are unopened. My apologies in advance if this type of message is not appropriate for the newsgroup. Thanks in advance for your help. Jim Matthiessen j.matthiessen@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2283 **********************