> WWI Digest 2279 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: Udet's DVIII (8) > by "Brad & Merville" > 2) Re: Roland > by "Michael S. Alvarado" > 3) Modeler's block broken (ot kit) > by smperry@mindspring.com > 4) NEW OSPREY NIEUPORT ACES BOOK > by "Michael S. Alvarado" > 5) RE: Americal 1/28 > by Shane Weier > 6) Re: Updated image pages > by THOMAS SOLINSKI > 7) Re: Perspective on Jastsgate > by THOMAS SOLINSKI > 8) RE: Eduard Albatros (D.II) > by Shane Weier > 9) OVERLOAD WAS: Eduard Albatros > by Shane Weier > 10) RE: Eduard Albatros > by Shane Weier > 11) RE: Photo Lighting - was Eduard Albatros > by Shane Weier > 12) Re: Udet's DVIII (8) > by skarver@banet.net > 13) Re: Photo Lighting - was Eduard Albatros > by Ernest Thomas > 14) Re: OVERLOAD > by Ernest Thomas > 15) way, way, WAYYYY off topic > by Ernest Thomas > 16) Re: Modeler's block broken (ot kit) > by Albatrosdv@aol.com > 17) Where can I get Latest OtF? > by "Graham Nash" > 18) Re: Foker DII Cockpit > by "Nigel Rayner" > 19) Re: Where can I get Latest OtF? > by smperry@mindspring.com > 20) Re: Perspective on Jastsgate > by "Michael Kendix" > 21) The RADF Project, was, Re: OVERLOAD > by skarver@banet.net > 22) Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII > by Joey Valenciano > 23) U517 (ot) > by Mark Miller > 24) Re: The RADF Project, was, Re: OVERLOAD > by Ernest Thomas > 25) old 1/72 kits > by Mark Miller > 26) Heldman's DVII > by "Dale Beamish" > 27) Ishoven & the Red 109, was, Re: Udet D.VIII > by skarver@banet.net > 28) Re: Foker DII Cockpit > by skarver@banet.net > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:15:18 -0400 >From: "Brad & Merville" >To: >Subject: Re: Udet's DVIII (8) >Message-ID: <00c601bfacd2$278c9ee0$9f8c5ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> > >Chris > >The new Windsock (Vol. 16, No. 2, March/April 2000) has excellent colour >shots of Roger Freeman's D VIII reproduction including a closeup of the >cockpit which shows a reddish varnished floor with metal (aluminum colour) >half moon footplates. > >Brad > >-----Original Message----- >From: Christopher Crofoot >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000 9:56 PM >Subject: Re: Udet's DVIII (8) > > >>Yes I was referring to the postwar plane that Udet flew in some aerial >displays. According to the plans by Phillip Drews (1973) >>published in Scale Aircraft Drawings Vol. I. the plane was disarmed, >lozenged, and had bright blue tail assembly and wheel covers. >>It also looks like the nose was natural metal. It also had an interesting >fuel and oil tank built into the landing gear subwing. >>This brings me to an interesting question.... did the DVIII have a cockpit >floor? I have two separate references...Drews' plans have >>none...the other has a plywood floor. The Eduard kit provides a brass >piece that looks like tread plate. Anybody know which is >>accurate? >> >>And on another note...Does anybody have or has anybody attempted to create >a color chart of the lozenge colors say for instance this >>plane? Esp. FS reference numbers... >> >>Chris >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:24:44 -0400 >From: "Michael S. Alvarado" >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <39026CFB.FF0DE08@bellatlantic.net> > >That's what a reasonable man would do, but me I'm anal about such things. >Although I'll tell you I'm leaning more and more to making new ones out of >plastic strip. Hollowing out the originals sounds time consuming, frustrating >and fraught with danger. We'll see. > >Alvie > >Limon3 wrote: > >> I'll probably cheat on that, and fill with a dark color, since I don't know >> if I have the patience or skill to tackle hollowing them out. >> Gabe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael S. Alvarado >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000 7:52 PM >> Subject: Re: Roland >> >> >So far my only complaint about the kit is the solid fuselage frames. These >> were >> >light open lattices in every cockpit picture I've seen. Don't how I'm >> going to >> >deal with that, carefully open-up the kit frames or use the kit frames as >> >patterns for making new open ones from Evergreen plastic strip. I'll keep >> >everyone posted when I start on it in the next couple of weeks, have to >> finish >> >my ot Swordfish first (hey at least its a biplane). >> > >> >Alvie >> > >> >Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: >> > >> >> In a message dated 4/21/00 10:46:07 PM EST, Limon3@email.msn.com writes: >> >> >> >> << Tom, I'm with you on that (fish decals). I wonder if the profipack >> will >> >> have them. Gabe. >> >> >> >> >> I am trying to find out, but so far have yet to hear from my guy at >> Eduard. >> >> I do notice that they are advertising both kits - regular and Profipack - >> in >> >> SAMi, so it may be coming along soon. >> >> >> >> Tom C >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:32:43 -0400 >From: smperry@mindspring.com >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Subject: Modeler's block broken (ot kit) >Message-ID: <003e01bfacd4$96541400$3d0d56d1@default> > >Finally broke over a month long spell of modeler's block. I did my 8 year >old daughter's Visible Woman, veins, arteries and all. > >First thing Renee wanted to know was if she could take her apart. I >convinced her that the paint still needed to dry over night. Ms. V.W .is >scheduled for surgery in the AM...hope she survives. > >sp > >E-mail smperry@mindspring.com >Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:43:56 -0400 >From: "Michael S. Alvarado" >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: NEW OSPREY NIEUPORT ACES BOOK >Message-ID: <3902717C.D5C93D30@bellatlantic.net> > >Hi gang, > >Just got Osprey's latest opus, Nieuport Aces of World War I from my >favorite local plastic emporium this afternoon. 92 pages, 111 photos >(many new at least to me) 41 color profiles, 1/72 scale drawings of the >Nieuport 11, 16, 17, 17bis, 24, 24bis, 25 and 27. Covers British, >French, Belgian, U.S., Italian, Imperial Russian and even includes >captured aircraft flown by german Aces. Altogether, IMNSHO I think well >worth $15US. > >Alvie > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:30:19 +1000 >From: Shane Weier >To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" >Subject: RE: Americal 1/28 >Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F45@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > >Nigel wrote: > > >> >> " It was interesting to note how quickly he decided to move >> into 1/28 decals just after Eric (of CSM)..." > >Nope. Other way around. Not that it makes any difference, Americals have >provided by far the widest ranges of OT decals available for ever - >including 1/72 where Eric will not go - and is entirely entitled to provide >decals for a new OT subject. IIRC there was no kit needing loz before the >D.VII ? > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:32:32 -0500 >From: THOMAS SOLINSKI >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Updated image pages >Message-ID: <39027CE0.ED95CC3F@home.com> > >Matt great minds think alike. I was going to suggest to the master that a >link to built models by country or manufacturer would help all find a >particular type of aircraft a whole lot easier. > >Well done! >Tom S > >Matthew Bittner wrote: > >> http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Bittner/index.html >> >> And Pedro's: >> >> http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Soares/models.html >> i > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:37:05 -0500 >From: THOMAS SOLINSKI >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: <39027DF1.FF1F64AD@home.com> > >I joined you folks around April of last year and all of the posts on >Jastagate have been past tense. I've tried to find the original >threads with no luck. Could someone identify the time period and >archives where all this wailing and gnashing of teeth took place? Just >to give a newer member an idea of the level this went too. > >Thanks >Tom S > >Ernest Thomas wrote: > >> Just a thought on why Glenn Merrill lurks but doesn't ever post; >> Maybe he has a life! >> E. > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 15:09:38 +1000 >From: Shane Weier >To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" >Subject: RE: Eduard Albatros (D.II) >Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F47@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > >Otis says > > >> What's the address for the Great Modles website? I did an AOL >> search and came up with nothing. Thanks. I did notice the >> Eduard DII listed in a model mags (SAMI?) list of future >> releases. They'll be hard pressed to beat our friends at >> Passchandaele. > >Sadly, they will outsell Cyg by about 100 to 1. I have never seen a >Paschendale kit in a shop in Oz, I will see the Eduard kit in 4 or more >shops in this one city. This is a reality of being a short run cottage >manufacturer - you can be first and best, but when the biggies catch up >you'll be selling to a *very* limited market. I predicted an Eduard D.II and >D.I when the D.III came out - look in the archives - and I'm sure Cyg wass >canny enough to know that he'd be selling in a window of opportunity which >would slam shut. > >*However* his radiators and decals are works of art and the radiators won't >be bettered in injection plastic, so further down the line he can sell >"Update Sets" with the bits he does best! > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 15:22:02 +1000 >From: Shane Weier >To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" >Subject: OVERLOAD WAS: Eduard Albatros >Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F48@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > >OTIS Says > >>It's almost too much to take! Those look to be >>some beautiful kits. Also the Nieuport Bebes >>(Matt B is really missing out by not building >>1/48th). I also read somewhere that they are >>planning a Roland D VI. Can't wait for that. > >Yikes. Oeffags, Nieuports, Rolands etc etc. > >A few hours ago I was struck by the fact that there are EIGHTY regular >datafiles on my shelves, plus minifiles and specials covering a total of >over 100 different aircraft. > >Hands up how many of you even suspected there were that many different >aircraft involved in WW1 before they got hooked? Hands up anyone who knows >a non-WW1 modeller who'd guess that there were more than 50? > >What it means is this. There isn't even a DH-4 datafile ! No Jenny ! Dozens >of AustroHungarians unmentioned, heck, even lots of Albatrosse! If I *only* >make models from the kits now available, or scratchbuild using the >datafiles, I need another life to just catch up. And still they come. > >I'm starting to feel positively overwhelmed by just too much good fortune, >rather like my small son who ate too many Easter Eggs this morning. Of >course he threw up, ate lunch and is now badgering me for more chocolate. No >doubt I'll still be wanting every new kit, even with this indigestion ;-) > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 15:23:15 +1000 >From: Shane Weier >To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" >Subject: RE: Eduard Albatros >Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F49@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > >Matt, > > >> Plus, "we" have had a Roland D.VI for years... :-P >> > >And if a scaled down Eduard arrives ? > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 15:28:59 +1000 >From: Shane Weier >To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" >Subject: RE: Photo Lighting - was Eduard Albatros >Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F4A@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > >Tom says: > >> If you wear glasses, take them off when focusing on the model >> so you see what >> the camera sees - if you're as blind as I am now, just get >> the splitscreen >> straight and you're OK - and use a central point (usually the >> cockpit is >> good) for focus - DoF will get the whole model looking good. >> > >Tedious input from down under - focus at a point 1/3 from the front of the >subject (as seen from the camera); this will get the theoretical best result >since DoF extends 1 unit towards the camera and two back from the point of >focus. Won't make a difference with a small subject at f32 but may be >critical on a bigger one when DoF is marginal. > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:07:02 -0400 >From: skarver@banet.net >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Udet's DVIII (8) >Message-ID: <39029306.C6876C78@banet.net> > >I think the Drews D.VIII drawing is very suspect. The soource for his >information is unknown. From other references, I would put no >faith in his color and marking notes he also apparently conflate the >late-war photo of EU in the experimental D.VIII with axle subwing >tankage and the post-war exhibition machines. >StefK > >Christopher Crofoot wrote: > >> Yes I was referring to the postwar plane that Udet flew in some aerial >>displays. According to the plans by Phillip Drews (1973) >> published in Scale Aircraft Drawings Vol. I. the plane was disarmed, >>lozenged, and had bright blue tail assembly and wheel covers. >> It also looks like the nose was natural metal. It also had an >>interesting fuel and oil tank built into the landing gear subwing. >> This brings me to an interesting question.... did the DVIII have a >>cockpit floor? I have two separate references...Drews' plans have >> none...the other has a plywood floor. The Eduard kit provides a brass >>piece that looks like tread plate. Anybody know which is >> accurate? >> >> And on another note...Does anybody have or has anybody attempted to >>create a color chart of the lozenge colors say for instance this >> plane? Esp. FS reference numbers... >> >> Chris > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:49:47 -0500 >From: Ernest Thomas >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Photo Lighting - was Eduard Albatros >Message-ID: <39029D09.2646AF7A@bellsouth.net> > > > >Shane Weier wrote: > >> Tedious input from down under - focus at a point 1/3 from the front of the >> subject (as seen from the camera); this will get the theoretical best result >> since DoF extends 1 unit towards the camera and two back from the point of >> focus. Won't make a difference with a small subject at f32 but may be >> critical on a bigger one when DoF is marginal. > >Yes, very important point. And when shooting a rear quarter shot, the first >third usually falls somewhere between the cockpit and the tailplanes, often in >the area that has no markings to focus the image splitter on. I have a big >long >hat pin that I jab into the base right next to the model. This gives me a >nice, >highly visible, verticle line to focus on. >Just a bit more tedium from up top >E. > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:03:56 -0500 >From: Ernest Thomas >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: OVERLOAD >Message-ID: <3902A05B.B56F6D96@bellsouth.net> > > > >Shane Weier wrote: > >> A few hours ago I was struck by the fact that there are EIGHTY regular >> datafiles on my shelves, plus minifiles and specials covering a total of >> over 100 different aircraft. > >How serendipitous! Here I am trying to decide which four DF's I should get >with >a bit of extra moolah I have and here you are announcing that you have the >entire set. And some kind soul on this list, who shall remain unknown, >suggested >that I threaten to tell your wife what each one of those DF's and specials >cost >if you won't give me your full and complete cooperation. >So, please help me make this decision. >I've got a list of VIII(8) DF's I couild use for kits waiting to be built. >But I >can only afford 4. I'm undecided if I should get the files for these vacs and >older Eduards I have that will be needing extra work, or should I go with >subjects I'm more likely to build first?(new Eduards that don't need a lot of >extra work) >I know that's a decision only I can make. But I'm also trying to decide which >ones will be the best value as far as giving me lots of good detail shots, >especially cockpits. >I know it varies from file to file. The Snipe has all these lovely shots >of the >cockpit and engine without the covering, but the W-12 has almost nothing >on the >cockpit(iirc). >Shane, can you help me work this out? >E. > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:22:55 -0500 >From: Ernest Thomas >To: "11111qqqqqqsd'f'dc]v" >Subject: way, way, WAYYYY off topic >Message-ID: <3902A4CE.EAD8EEC8@bellsouth.net> > >Any Bukowski fans out there? Reply OFF LIST. >E. > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:19:12 EDT >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Modeler's block broken (ot kit) >Message-ID: <36.4ed10d4.26340c00@aol.com> > >Something that ot deserves a "whooo-aa, boy!" Sounds like some seriously >good Modeling happened. :-) > >And I have "broken the dam" with OT kits by getting the cockpits of my Pfalz >D.IIIa and Albatros D.V done, got to basic assembly, and am in the midst of >painting Berthold's D.IIIa and Lutjen's D.V. > >Upcoming (since Candice can't give me the DF#49 till next weekend), the Spin >SPAD A.2 - what a honey of a kit. > >OT rules! (even when you have to do one-oh-thingies - and I have the ultimate >one-oh-thinggie at MM on Monday). > >Tom Cleaver > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:14:48 +0100 >From: "Graham Nash" >To: >Subject: Where can I get Latest OtF? >Message-ID: > >Seems that the latest (14/4?) is taking it's own sweet time to hit the UK. > >Which of our suppliers is most deserving of my overseas order? > >Many thanks > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:28:10 +0100 >From: "Nigel Rayner" >To: >Subject: Re: Foker DII Cockpit >Message-ID: <001701bfad1f$63aae9c0$1259883e@nigelr> > >StK said: > >>Oh, yes, then there is the question about the cockpit, of course, but that >sounds >>like the easy part! > >I too have the Gavia DII lined up. I don't yet have the DF Special, but if >there are no decent cockpit shots in this I was going to base the interior >on the DV. There is a good naked shot of the interior of a DV in the >Mini-DF, and CSM's kit includes detailed interior drawings by Marty >Digmayer. My assumption being that it was unlikely the interior of the DV >was significantly different from the DII (or III or IV...). What does the >team think? > >Regards, > >Nigel > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:02:56 -0400 >From: smperry@mindspring.com >To: >Subject: Re: Where can I get Latest OtF? >Message-ID: <002201bfad24$3f0ce1e0$1b0356d1@default> > >Dear Unc: > >I got mine as a back issue direct from the League. I also saw Squadron had >them recently. >sp >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Nash" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 8:16 AM >Subject: Where can I get Latest OtF? > > >> Seems that the latest (14/4?) is taking it's own sweet time to hit the UK. >> >> Which of our suppliers is most deserving of my overseas order? >> >> Many thanks >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 07:20:29 PDT >From: "Michael Kendix" >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: <20000423142029.45581.qmail@hotmail.com> > >Tom: > >Glenn Merrill's open letter, submitted to the list by Shane Weier, is in >archive 1200. You need to go back to around #1141 and a little further >even, to see the events that gave rise to the problems. > >Michael > > >>From: THOMAS SOLINSKI >>Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >>To: Multiple recipients of list >>Subject: Re: Perspective on Jastsgate >>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:47:53 -0400 (EDT) >> >>I joined you folks around April of last year and all of the posts on >>Jastagate have been past tense. I've tried to find the original >>threads with no luck. Could someone identify the time period and >>archives where all this wailing and gnashing of teeth took place? Just >>to give a newer member an idea of the level this went too. >> >>Thanks >>Tom S >> >>Ernest Thomas wrote: >> >> > Just a thought on why Glenn Merrill lurks but doesn't ever post; >> > Maybe he has a life! >> > E. >> > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:22:12 -0400 >From: skarver@banet.net >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: The RADF Project, was, Re: OVERLOAD >Message-ID: <39030713.291C7553@banet.net> > > > >Ernest Thomas wrote: > >> I'm also trying to decide which ones [DFs] will be the best value as far >>as giving >> me lots of good detail shots, especially cockpits. >> I know it varies from file to file. The Snipe has all these lovely shots >>of the >> cockpit and engine without the covering, but the W-12 has almost nothing >>on the >> cockpit(iirc). > >Here's a List-Land project similar to some of the group response to >what-PC-paint-do-you-use and what-rigging-do-you-use threads: >The Rate-a-DF-Project. >On a scale of 0 to 5 (where 5 means no other reference will ever be >required) rate >the following >cockpit, engine, other internals (exclusive of the previous such as observer >position), external details (LG, cowl straps, wind generators, exclusive of >rigging), rigging, color profiles (number? accuracy?). >I'll take on the E.III shortly. >StefK > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:13:05 +0800 >From: Joey Valenciano >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII >Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000423181305.0173daf0@philonline.com> > > >Hi Brad et al...... > >- shots of Udet taxiing the sub wing gas tanked D.VIII could probably have >been taken during the war, but of course, it's anyones guess here. > >- i have seen a photo of von Greim's post war "silver" Fokker D.VII. It >seems to me that it was a plane in standard finish (don't know if it had >the "OAW" purple loz on the nose), then painted with von Greim's typical >wartime markings (grey/silver tail w/ 2 red bands aft of cockpit), the >wheels are light colored so may have been painted silver/grey as well, i >can't tell if the nose was red too. Didn't his wartime birds have red noses >because it was a Jasta colour? if so, then the red nose is not a personal >marking and the post war D.VII may not have had a red nose. >Interestingly, when the personal markings were painted on, the affected >crosses (tail, fuselage) were not redone. Also, there is a "GREIM" marked >about where the fuselage cross should appear, it is PROBABLY in black. > >- Thinking about Udet's post war D.VIII, and taking into consideration the >von Greim D.VII, you can sort of reconstruct how the Udet razor may have >looked like. Standard finish, totally red wheels, fuselage and tail, no >crosses on tail or fuselage, white "LO!" (they were still together in 1919) >or "UDET" (for the crowd's sake but maybe the "LO!" would have been >familiar enough). > >A question raised. How sure are we that Udet's post candystriper red D.VIIs >as well as his SSW D.III did NOT have the white chevron on the horiz tail? >The chevron was a personal marking, wouldn't it have been used on these >machines as well? Well, yes, there is a picture of D.VII F4253/18 showing >it w/o the chevron but then again, we could reason that it hadn't yet been >painted on at the time. Maybe the 1919 D.VIII may have had the chevron? Or >probably not. hehehe > >Van Ishoven claims that Udet's racer 109 was blue, but i am convinced that >it was red. Van Ishoven may have made a few errors in describing >colours/markings. He was probably not writing specifically with modellers >in mind anyway. > >>The Fall Of An Eagle, by Armand Van Ishoven, published by William Kimber, >>1977. ISBN 0 7183 0067 X, page 76, quote: >> >> " Six aircraft were lined up ready. For Udet there were a Fokker D VII, a >>Fokker D VIII and his Pfalz D XV, all painted flame-red. Von Greim's D VII >>and D VIII's were silvery grey with two red bands across the fuselages." >> >> This from a description of Udet and Von Greim's first airshow in 1919. > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: 23 Apr 2000 07:41:39 -0700 >From: Mark Miller >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: U517 (ot) >Message-ID: <20000423144139.24968.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> > >I saw the last half of a program on the History channel last night called >U517 History or Hollywood . The program rips the movie up pretty bad and >states clearly that it is pure Hollywood with very little basis in fact. > >Some pretty fun archival footage but the best part was these two vets, an >American and a German, who served on subs during WW2 who they interviewed >about the movie. These guys were perfect: the German was proper, precise, >everything I expect to see in a German ww2 naval officer and the American >was salty and gruff the very picture of the Navy. They both stank of >credability and when asked if the movie was "history or hollywood" the >amused look on their faces and the disdain in their voices spoke volumes. > >Ok the movie is pure fantasy - is it worth going to see for the >cinemaphotography - the ad on tv looked pretty good. or is the plot just >to stupid to deal with? > >How about re-running "Das But" >or better yet "Patton" now those are two movies I wouldn't mind seeing on >the big screen. > >in any case this brought to mind a post from Tom Cleaver which I seemed to >remember seeing here in the last couple of weeks. > >If you get the History Channel look for this program - definitly fun to watch >but then again I like The History Channel almost all the time. > >Mark > > >_______________________________________________________________________ > >Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! >http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go > >_______________________________________________________________________ > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:49:12 -0500 >From: Ernest Thomas >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: The RADF Project, was, Re: OVERLOAD >Message-ID: <39030D67.5E19F675@bellsouth.net> > > > >skarver@banet.net wrote: > >> Here's a List-Land project similar to some of the group response to >> what-PC-paint-do-you-use and what-rigging-do-you-use threads: >> The Rate-a-DF-Project. >> On a scale of 0 to 5 (where 5 means no other reference will ever be >>required) rate >> the following >> cockpit, engine, other internals (exclusive of the previous such as observer >> position), external details (LG, cowl straps, wind generators, exclusive of >> rigging), rigging, color profiles (number? accuracy?). >> I'll take on the E.III shortly. > >What a great idea. But since I'm really just looking at DF's for kits I >already have, >here's the list that I'm making choices from; >#12 Hanriot HD.1 >#15 Alb. C-III >#45 Berg D-I >#49 Roland C-II >#79 Rumpler C-I >#26 Camel >#29 SSW D-III/D-IV >#38 DH-10 >#58 MoS N, I, V. >#11 Fok.D-V(minifile) > >If those who have these could rate/report on the content, I would be real >grateful. >As for the E-III, Imnsho, it has everything you need to build the Eduard >kit except for >a photo/drawing/explanation of how the rudder attaches. If you're building >the Eduard >Strip-down kit, you could supplement the DF with the Squadron book as it >has a picture >of a pair of un-covered wings, which the DF doesn't. But I'll still give >it a 5. >E. > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: 23 Apr 2000 07:51:48 -0700 >From: Mark Miller >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: old 1/72 kits >Message-ID: <20000423145148.28694.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> > >Hi all >I've got a bunch of old 1/72 WW1 kits which I know I probably never make >and was thinking of trading for something 1/48. I have no idea of worth or >availabilty and was wondering if their is a site were I can get some info. >I 'm not sure if I can bear to part with some of this stuff . > >Is it sick to be emotional attached to a kit? > >Mark > > >_______________________________________________________________________ > >Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! >http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go > >_______________________________________________________________________ > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:10:42 -0600 >From: "Dale Beamish" >To: "List" >Subject: Heldman's DVII >Message-ID: <006601bfad36$19a44b20$292eb8a1@darcy> > >Can anyone direct me to a scan of Heldman's 244/18? I am looking for the top >wing H markings. Awhile ago there was a buid article from a non list member >that stated it was LVRichthofen's. Does anyone have the link? >TIA >Dale > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:26:16 -0400 >From: skarver@banet.net >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Ishoven & the Red 109, was, Re: Udet D.VIII >Message-ID: <39031618.ABDA4A59@banet.net> > >Among much good 'dicta Ira' speculation, > >Joey Valenciano wrote: > >> Van Ishoven claims that Udet's racer 109 was blue, but i am convinced that >> it was red. Van Ishoven may have made a few errors in describing >> colours/markings. He was probably not writing specifically with modellers >> in mind anyway. > >In a rare slip, you mis-state the case here. It is indeed Van Ishoven who was >among the first to note that Bf 109 V14 flown by Udet at the '37 International >Flying Meet in Zurich was red: >"He flew the all-red painted Bf 109 to Dubendorff on 22 July, and three days >later took off for the race."--p. 169, Fall of an Eagle. >Ishoven also notes the color in his book on the Messerschmitt (title not to >hand). > >(If I may blow my own horn on this matter, I believe I was the one who first >alerted you to this reference.) >Regards, >StefK > >PS. List-Landers can find this ot bird modeled on Hyperscale. > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:49:41 -0400 >From: skarver@banet.net >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Foker DII Cockpit >Message-ID: <39031B95.F77AEFDA@banet.net> > >Nigel Rayner wrote: > >> I too have the Gavia DII lined up. I don't yet have the DF Special, but if >> there are no decent cockpit shots in this I was going to base the interior >> on the DV. There is a good naked shot of the interior of a DV in the >> Mini-DF, and CSM's kit includes detailed interior drawings by Marty >> Digmayer. My assumption being that it was unlikely the interior of the DV >> was significantly different from the DII (or III or IV...). What does the >> team think? > >My inclination is to base the D.II cockpit more on that of the E.III, as the >former seems to share the fuselage contour, forward metal paneling and >treatment, internal LG suspension, MG installation, wing warping, and tail >group controls of the earlier model. >Thoughts? > >And back to finish, is there any support for the application of a non-streaky >brownish varnish? The glossy mid-gray wings of the captured E.III >exhibited in >London (before being stripped) read very llike the bit of lower wing >visible on >the Udet 'tin observer' machine. >TIA, >StefK > > > >------------------------------ > >End of WWI Digest 2279 >********************** >