> WWI Digest 2278 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 > by "K. Hagerup" > 2) Ynt: Turkish delight, the final verdict > by "=?iso-8859-1?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" > 3) Pegasus BE2e. > by "Len Smith" > 4) Re: Turkish delight, the final verdict > by smperry@mindspring.com > 5) Something to chew on or Fok. D.II, was, Where is everyone? > by skarver@banet.net > 6) Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII > by skarver@banet.net > 7) Re: Something to chew on or Fok. D.II, was, Where is everyone? > by peter crow > 8) Replies to Elevator and Aileron droop > by "Roger Belanger" > 9) Some thoughts 3/4 of the way through my excellent adventure > by "Brad & Merville" > 10) Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII > by "Limon3" > 11) Re: Some thoughts 3/4 of the way through my excellent adventure > by Lee Mensinger > 12) Re: Something to chew on or Fok. D.II, was, Where is everyone? > by "Limon3" > 13) Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII > by "Brad & Merville" > 14) Re: Some thoughts 3/4 of the way through my excellent adventure > by "Brad & Merville" > 15) Updated image pages > by "Matthew Bittner" > 16) Re: Perspective on Jastsgate > by Ernest Thomas > 17) Re: Udet's DVIII (8) > by Christopher Crofoot > 18) Re: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 > by DavidL1217@aol.com > 19) New(for me)books and stuff > by Ernest Thomas > 20) Re: Updated image pages > by Ernest Thomas > 21) Re: Updated image pages > by "Limon3" > 22) Re: Roland > by "Michael S. Alvarado" > 23) Re: Roland > by "Michael S. Alvarado" > 24) Re: Roland > by "Limon3" > 25) Re: Some thoughts 3/4 of the way through my excellent adventure > by "Michael S. Alvarado" > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:50:48 -0500 >From: "K. Hagerup" >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 >Message-ID: <3901BC48.1D2D@prodigy.net> > >REwing@aol.com wrote: > >> I have to step in on this since I was the one who (unintentionally) >> started this thread. When I got back from Pensacola late Sunday night, >>I was >> put in the hospital the following morning for an apparent appendicitis. It >> turned out to be kidney stones. > >Rick, > >No fun! I had a bout with a kidney stone last month and you have my >sympathy. > >Ken > >nb New fuselage for ICM Pfalz E.IV > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:08:27 +0300 >From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" >To: >Subject: Ynt: Turkish delight, the final verdict >Message-ID: <015a01bfacaf$abe48e00$5b0d8ec3@yilmazer> > >>1) How complete is the local archive that Bulent went searching through? > >They are as complete as one can get in Turkey. Although I have not been able >to go through all of them with a fine tooth comb, so far have not seen >mention of any Halberstadts other than the D.V. > >>2) Can Treadwell and Wood be trusted? What were their sources? >and >> Anyone have any more info on what Ottoman FA 6 was? > >I do not know the source of Treadwell and Wood. However, I wouldn't hesitate >to say that they have it wrong with the Ottoman FA6 employing Halberstadt >D.IIs. I have studied the Ottoman aviation units at the Gallipoli >(Dardanelles, if you prefer) Front in detail and can provide some >information. The Ottoman FA6 is the fighter unit (the other aviation unit at >the same front was FA1, equipped mainly with observation aircraft-for >example Albatros B.Is, Rumpler B.Is, Albatros C.Is, LVG B.Is) that operated >at the Gallipoli Front. FA6 was activated in January 1916 and Fokker E.Is >were its first aircraft. Later it operated Fokker E.IIIs, Fokker D.Is, >Fokker D.VIIs, Albatros D.IIs, Albatros D.IIIs and Halberstadt D.Vs. Emil >Meinecke became an ace flying with Ottoman FA6, he had 6 confirmed victories >at the Gallipoli Front. > >Bulent Yilmazer >Ankara - TURKEY >yilmazer@tr-net.net.tr > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:37:11 +0100 >From: "Len Smith" >To: >Subject: Pegasus BE2e. >Message-ID: <000d01bfac70$e02503a0$58857ed4@mesh> > >Greetings, >In the post today was the latest Pegasus kit. Bearing in mind the hassle >caused by my look at the DH2 kit, I will only say this is a perfectly >acceptable low volume limited tooling injection moulded kit. The parts >match up admirably to the drawings in the Datafile, and the kit contains a >full set of markings for 5836 as illustrated on its cover. >Regards Len. > >lensmith@clara.net >http://home.clara.net/lensmith > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:23:13 -0400 >From: smperry@mindspring.com >To: >Subject: Re: Turkish delight, the final verdict >Message-ID: <003a01bfacb1$bbce1fa0$bf0556d1@default> > >Hi Bulient: > >Can you tell me more about the Fokker D.I s in service with the Ottoman >forces? I recently picked up a little vac kit of this and this sounds >interesting. >TIA >sp > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bülent Yılmazer" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 7:15 PM >Subject: Ynt: Turkish delight, the final verdict > > >> >1) How complete is the local archive that Bulent went searching through? >> >> They are as complete as one can get in Turkey. Although I have not been >able >> to go through all of them with a fine tooth comb, so far have not seen >> mention of any Halberstadts other than the D.V. >> >> >2) Can Treadwell and Wood be trusted? What were their sources? >> and >> > Anyone have any more info on what Ottoman FA 6 was? >> >> I do not know the source of Treadwell and Wood. However, I wouldn't >hesitate >> to say that they have it wrong with the Ottoman FA6 employing Halberstadt >> D.IIs. I have studied the Ottoman aviation units at the Gallipoli >> (Dardanelles, if you prefer) Front in detail and can provide some >> information. The Ottoman FA6 is the fighter unit (the other aviation unit >at >> the same front was FA1, equipped mainly with observation aircraft-for >> example Albatros B.Is, Rumpler B.Is, Albatros C.Is, LVG B.Is) that >operated >> at the Gallipoli Front. FA6 was activated in January 1916 and Fokker E.Is >> were its first aircraft. Later it operated Fokker E.IIIs, Fokker D.Is, >> Fokker D.VIIs, Albatros D.IIs, Albatros D.IIIs and Halberstadt D.Vs. Emil >> Meinecke became an ace flying with Ottoman FA6, he had 6 confirmed >victories >> at the Gallipoli Front. >> >> Bulent Yilmazer >> Ankara - TURKEY >> yilmazer@tr-net.net.tr >> > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:36:02 -0400 >From: skarver@banet.net >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Something to chew on or Fok. D.II, was, Where is everyone? >Message-ID: <39023762.D4FE71EE@banet.net> > >Lee Mensinger wrote: > >> ... the list is incredibly slow today. Like you. I got >> something in the vicinity of three message till you sent me the fourth. >>It has >> been a long quiet day. > >Well, here, perhaps, is some meat for hungry List-Landers. >Despite that RK generously provided a definitive view of early Fokker >tail-surface >mounting, I'm still at sixes-and-sevens in getting started with a Gavia Fokker >D..II. >First, there is the matter of color, and, second, the wing warping mechanism. >1. With respect to the first, I am interested in particular with Udet's >(DIII?) >machine, the only photo of which in the various editions of his autobiography >appears to have NMF and monochrome uppers. However, all color renditions >of the >D.II that I am familiar with carry a two-tone finish: Munson, Joey >Valenciano, and >a Peter Crow 1/72 built-up on PCModeler. Black-and-white photos in >Imrie's Fokker >Fighters suggest two-tone (or more!) finishes without specifying colors >involved. >The photo of a DII packed for travel suggests very close-valued colors, >although >other photos show a much greater contrast between applied colors. >OK, that said, the color renditions agree on green and something, with >Munson using >a sandy brown/khaki, Crow a very much reddish sort of 'mid-stone,' and >Joey V. a >darkish Venetian red (at least on my monitor). >(Concerning lowers, there appears to be some List consensus on Fokker >underside >'turquoise.') >(In the face of all this, RK writes that the only thing he feels he can >document is >CDL! Not that there isn't evidence for some other finish, just none for what >particular finish!) >Is it all 'dicata Ira' for this bird? >2. A photo of Udet in the cockpit of one D.II suddenly made me realize I >hadn't the >foggiest idea about this essential bit of apparatus (photo appears on JV's >site). >Is there anything better than this incomplete datum? > >Oh, yes, then there is the question about the cockpit, of course, but that >sounds >like the easy part! >TIA and regards, >StK > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:55:55 -0400 >From: skarver@banet.net >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII >Message-ID: <39023C0B.205CDC5C@banet.net> > >Good evening, all- >1. I only asked about a D.VIII in response to Chris Crofoot's post, which >perhaps >mis-stated the Flashback kit he was working on? >However, being interested in that 'red' D.VIII of Udet's I was curious about >whether he had some additiional info on that rara avis. >That said, the D.VIII with axle tank is shown in the DF, but is presumably >different from the D.VII and/or D.VIII that EU apparently flew briefly in >'19 in >aerial shows with Ritter von Greim. Armand Ishoveen reports both Fokkers as >'flaming-red' in his biography Fall of an Eagle. I believe Ishoven's >research to >be very good, and usspect that the color note is derived from some newspaper >report, but he doesn't include source notes. Based on a picture of von >Greim's >'silver' machine (his war-time color, I believe), I tend to doubt that Udet's >flyer was *all* red. But that's defintely DI (dicta Ira). >BTW, Ishoven also reports that Udet's air-show stable also included a >Pfalz D.XV >and, seemingly, a Rumpler C.I (also both red). >Best, >StK > >KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/22/00 3:22:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> smperry@mindspring.com writes: >> >> << believe Udet had a post-war D.VIII painted red with a fuel tank in >>the L/G >> spreader wing. It was confiscated from him by the Allies in 1919 or 20 >> IIRC. Joey?? >> >> sp >> >> >> >> I don't know about the red part, but he did have a post-war D.VIII ("8" just >> to make sure....) that did have a gas tank in the undercarraige, but I seem >> to remember seeing lozenge on this machine...could've been painted red >>later? >> RK > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:23:51 -0700 (PDT) >From: peter crow >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Something to chew on or Fok. D.II, was, Where is everyone? >Message-ID: <20000423002351.5160.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> > >Delurking.... in regards to my vac D-II, that was >probally done around 15 yrs ago... copied I think from >the Munson book... done way before I was aware of >computers and the list (not aware of that much >now):-).. so theres a lot of faith in using anything >that I did back then in regards to reference..but you >can consider anything I do now as being the only way >to go...:-) > >Back to lurking.... >P. Crow > >nb.. all in 1/48>> 2 Hanriots.....the Hi-Tech Brequet >and Stropp's Alb. > >OT... 3 Stooges and a Guillotine > > >>and >> a Peter Crow 1/72 built-up on PCModeler. >> Black-and-white photos in Imrie's Fokker >> Fighters suggest two-tone (or more!) finishes >> without specifying colors involved. >> The photo of a DII packed for travel suggests very >> close-valued colors, although >> other photos show a much greater contrast between >> applied colors. >> OK, that said, the color renditions agree on green >> and something, with Munson using >> a sandy brown/khaki, Crow a very much reddish sort >> of 'mid-stone,' and Joey V. a >> darkish Venetian red (at least on my monitor). >> (Concerning lowers, there appears to be some List >> consensus on Fokker underside >> 'turquoise.') >> (In the face of all this, RK writes that the only >> thing he feels he can document is >> CDL! Not that there isn't evidence for some other >> finish, just none for what >> particular finish!) >> Is it all 'dicata Ira' for this bird? >> 2. A photo of Udet in the cockpit of one D.II >> suddenly made me realize I hadn't the >> foggiest idea about this essential bit of apparatus >> (photo appears on JV's site). >> Is there anything better than this incomplete datum? >> >> Oh, yes, then there is the question about the >> cockpit, of course, but that sounds >> like the easy part! >> TIA and regards, >> StK >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:40:20 -0400 >From: "Roger Belanger" >To: "WW1 Modeling List" >Subject: Replies to Elevator and Aileron droop >Message-ID: <00e501bfacbc$86a43200$0ea24d0c@rogerb1> > >I want to thank you all for the help, as soon as I get a homepage I will >display some photos as a reward for all of your good advise....Roger B > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:56:49 -0400 >From: "Brad & Merville" >To: >Subject: Some thoughts 3/4 of the way through my excellent adventure >Message-ID: <03de01bfacbe$ceec0040$9f8c5ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> > >Greetings all, > >My journey has now lead me back to Toronto, where I find that RK sayeth. .. > >>I usually wake up to at least 40 mails- this list and one other >offtopic >list, plus whatever personal crap comes in. > >After seeing how busy everyone has been, I'm starting to wonder about my >sanity in not unsubscribing while I am gone. ... I will have around >1500-2000 email messages to read at this rate when I finally get home in >another two weeks. > >Pensacola was great. . . . all the listees were a joy to meet. .. the only >disappointment was the lack of vendors (and that Americans have no concept >of rye whiskey, and try to give you some ghastly concoction called bourbon). > >Meeting Sharon, Michael Kendix and Alvie (and Sharon) was a real joy in >Washington. I shot a roll on the Nieuport and the Felixstowe - hopefully >they will turn out. > >Arriving at a closed Rosemont after a day of driving was a pain. :-( > >Regarding copyright. I asked Rimell for permission to use his drawings as >the basis of my profiles. The short version of his reply was that he has no >problem with that, it is straight ahead copying that he is against. > >Peter Jones ... where can we find your work? > >Other cool news .. I am getting a CD-R a lot sooner than I had thought, so >my CD may be ready this summer (just needs 60 or so British units added). >All of the Aerodrome Modeler CDs are claimed. However anyone owning one may >copy it for others. ... Jon Guttman and GVW are embarrased at my putting >their early work out, but they are both good about it being spread around. > >There is talk of OTF putting ALL of C&C(USA) on CD-ROM as they are the >holders of the copyright on it. > >The next seminar is in September 2001 in San Diego, the one after that is in >Dayton in September 2003. > >The British book is now to become a single volume hardcover rather than a >two volume soft-cover, Pfalz is going to be published as well (as are a >couple of others I'm not doing). We are looking at more photos and profiles >for the Pfalz book. > >With luck I have also lined up some work for myself in the near future as >well. > >Osprey: I'm boycotting them out of picque that I never illustrated the >books. > >Regards, > Bob Pearson > >http://members.xoom.com/profileart >http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 >http://www.internetmodeler.com > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:09:49 -0700 >From: "Limon3" >To: >Subject: Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII >Message-ID: <001801bfacc0$a03b4380$fbbf113f@f4w2s5> > >Yes, Udet did have a postwar DVIII that he and Ritter von Greim used to >barnstorm around Germany for a while. It did have an extra fuel tank in the >L/G spreader wing. I don't have any information that it was painted red, >however. hth Gabe. >-----Original Message----- >From: smperry@mindspring.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000 3:22 PM >Subject: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII > > >>I believe Udet had a post-war D.VIII painted red with a fuel tank in the >L/G >>spreader wing. It was confiscated from him by the Allies in 1919 or 20 >>IIRC. Joey?? >> >>sp >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:09:38 -0500 >From: Lee Mensinger >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Some thoughts 3/4 of the way through my excellent adventure >Message-ID: <39024D52.C599B6E0@wireweb.net> > >I can't immagine any decent Liquor store not having Rye Whiskey. I am an >admirer of good Bourbon but every shop around here including the Army and AFB >Class 6 stores sells Rye. > >You may not have aas many messagess as you might believe. If you find far >fewer, resubscribe because one or two got returned to UNH.EDU and the servers >cut you off. They will not allow that and if your ISP got full he >probably has >a server that send one back and that stopped all further messages. It will >happen. Lee M. > >Brad & Merville wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> >> My journey has now lead me back to Toronto, where I find that RK sayeth. .. >> >> >I usually wake up to at least 40 mails- this list and one other >offtopic >> list, plus whatever personal crap comes in. >> >> After seeing how busy everyone has been, I'm starting to wonder about my >> sanity in not unsubscribing while I am gone. ... I will have around >> 1500-2000 email messages to read at this rate when I finally get home in >> another two weeks. >> >> Pensacola was great. . . . all the listees were a joy to meet. .. the only >> disappointment was the lack of vendors (and that Americans have no concept >> of rye whiskey, and try to give you some ghastly concoction called bourbon). >> >> Meeting Sharon, Michael Kendix and Alvie (and Sharon) was a real joy in >> Washington. I shot a roll on the Nieuport and the Felixstowe - hopefully >> they will turn out. >> >> Arriving at a closed Rosemont after a day of driving was a pain. :-( >> >> Regarding copyright. I asked Rimell for permission to use his drawings as >> the basis of my profiles. The short version of his reply was that he has no >> problem with that, it is straight ahead copying that he is against. >> >> Peter Jones ... where can we find your work? >> >> Other cool news .. I am getting a CD-R a lot sooner than I had thought, so >> my CD may be ready this summer (just needs 60 or so British units added). >> All of the Aerodrome Modeler CDs are claimed. However anyone owning one may >> copy it for others. ... Jon Guttman and GVW are embarrased at my putting >> their early work out, but they are both good about it being spread around. >> >> There is talk of OTF putting ALL of C&C(USA) on CD-ROM as they are the >> holders of the copyright on it. >> >> The next seminar is in September 2001 in San Diego, the one after that is in >> Dayton in September 2003. >> >> The British book is now to become a single volume hardcover rather than a >> two volume soft-cover, Pfalz is going to be published as well (as are a >> couple of others I'm not doing). We are looking at more photos and profiles >> for the Pfalz book. >> >> With luck I have also lined up some work for myself in the near future as >> well. >> >> Osprey: I'm boycotting them out of picque that I never illustrated the >> books. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Pearson >> >> http://members.xoom.com/profileart >> http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 >> http://www.internetmodeler.com > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:17:05 -0700 >From: "Limon3" >To: >Subject: Re: Something to chew on or Fok. D.II, was, Where is everyone? >Message-ID: <003f01bfacc1$a39cefa0$fbbf113f@f4w2s5> > >To throw a little more fuel on the fire, there is a pretty clear picture of >a Fokker DII in front of a Walfisch which clearly shows the streaky Fokker >finish on the wing! This is from the old Profile Publication on the Roland. >Gabe. >-----Original Message----- >From: skarver@banet.net >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000 4:39 PM >Subject: Something to chew on or Fok. D.II, was, Where is everyone? > > >>Lee Mensinger wrote: >> >>> ... the list is incredibly slow today. Like you. I got >>> something in the vicinity of three message till you sent me the fourth. >It has >>> been a long quiet day. >> >>Well, here, perhaps, is some meat for hungry List-Landers. >>Despite that RK generously provided a definitive view of early Fokker >tail-surface >>mounting, I'm still at sixes-and-sevens in getting started with a Gavia >Fokker >>D..II. >>First, there is the matter of color, and, second, the wing warping >mechanism. >>1. With respect to the first, I am interested in particular with Udet's >(DIII?) >>machine, the only photo of which in the various editions of his >autobiography >>appears to have NMF and monochrome uppers. However, all color renditions >of the >>D.II that I am familiar with carry a two-tone finish: Munson, Joey >Valenciano, and >>a Peter Crow 1/72 built-up on PCModeler. Black-and-white photos in Imrie's >Fokker >>Fighters suggest two-tone (or more!) finishes without specifying colors >involved. >>The photo of a DII packed for travel suggests very close-valued colors, >although >>other photos show a much greater contrast between applied colors. >>OK, that said, the color renditions agree on green and something, with >Munson using >>a sandy brown/khaki, Crow a very much reddish sort of 'mid-stone,' and Joey >V. a >>darkish Venetian red (at least on my monitor). >>(Concerning lowers, there appears to be some List consensus on Fokker >underside >>'turquoise.') >>(In the face of all this, RK writes that the only thing he feels he can >document is >>CDL! Not that there isn't evidence for some other finish, just none for >what >>particular finish!) >>Is it all 'dicata Ira' for this bird? >>2. A photo of Udet in the cockpit of one D.II suddenly made me realize I >hadn't the >>foggiest idea about this essential bit of apparatus (photo appears on JV's >site). >>Is there anything better than this incomplete datum? >> >>Oh, yes, then there is the question about the cockpit, of course, but that >sounds >>like the easy part! >>TIA and regards, >>StK >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:18:39 -0400 >From: "Brad & Merville" >To: >Subject: Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII >Message-ID: <000f01bfacc1$dbdb2120$9f8c5ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> > >The Fall Of An Eagle, by Armand Van Ishoven, published by William Kimber, >1977. ISBN 0 7183 0067 X, page 76, quote: > > " Six aircraft were lined up ready. For Udet there were a Fokker D VII, a >Fokker D VIII and his Pfalz D XV, all painted flame-red. Von Greim's D VII >and D VIII's were silvery grey with two red bands across the fuselages." > > This from a description of Udet and Von Greim's first airshow in 1919. > >Brad > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: smperry@mindspring.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000 6:24 PM >Subject: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII > > >>I believe Udet had a post-war D.VIII painted red with a fuel tank in the >L/G >>spreader wing. It was confiscated from him by the Allies in 1919 or 20 >>IIRC. Joey?? >> >>sp >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:29:49 -0400 >From: "Brad & Merville" >To: >Subject: Re: Some thoughts 3/4 of the way through my excellent adventure >Message-ID: <001401bfacc3$6b2a55c0$9f8c5ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> > > >>I can't immagine any decent Liquor store not having Rye Whiskey. I am an >>admirer of good Bourbon but every shop around here including the Army and >AFB >>Class 6 stores sells Rye. > > >Well if you ask for Rye, you get blank stares. . I had to learn a generic >barnd name - C.C. (OT initials) > >>You may not have aas many messagess as you might believe. If you find far >>fewer, resubscribe because one or two got returned to UNH.EDU and the >servers >>cut you off. They will not allow that and if your ISP got full he probably >has >>a server that send one back and that stopped all further messages. It will >>happen. Lee M. > > >I regularily get over 5MB of mail, so I trust my ISP to keep me going ,, >unless they crash .. in which case it is good I am reading messages now) > >Bob >(AH. ... email access again .. even if for a few days) > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:34:10 -0500 >From: "Matthew Bittner" >To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" >Subject: Updated image pages >Message-ID: <200004230137.SAA09361@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> > >In looking at a new way to have the initial page for people's model >images, I went ahead and changed two pages to the format Allan and I >are thinking of. Those two pages are my own: > >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Bittner/index.html > >And Pedro's: > >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Soares/models.html > >Also note more images on Pedro's pages, since I'm moving images from my >geocities site, over to pease1. This is for two reasons - to get the >WW1 models on the correct site ;-) and because I'm going to need the >space on geocities for the images from our Regional this May. > >LMK what everyone thinks of the new format. > > >Matt Bittner >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:09:00 -0500 >From: Ernest Thomas >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: <3901A46B.5CFA45A3@bellsouth.net> > >Just a thought on why Glenn Merrill lurks but doesn't ever post; >Maybe he has a life! >E. > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:53:05 -0700 >From: Christopher Crofoot >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Udet's DVIII (8) >Message-ID: <390273A0.7D6D9117@northnet.net> > >Yes I was referring to the postwar plane that Udet flew in some aerial >displays. According to the plans by Phillip Drews (1973) >published in Scale Aircraft Drawings Vol. I. the plane was disarmed, >lozenged, and had bright blue tail assembly and wheel covers. >It also looks like the nose was natural metal. It also had an interesting >fuel and oil tank built into the landing gear subwing. >This brings me to an interesting question.... did the DVIII have a cockpit >floor? I have two separate references...Drews' plans have >none...the other has a plywood floor. The Eduard kit provides a brass >piece that looks like tread plate. Anybody know which is >accurate? > >And on another note...Does anybody have or has anybody attempted to create >a color chart of the lozenge colors say for instance this >plane? Esp. FS reference numbers... > >Chris > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:59:50 EDT >From: DavidL1217@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 >Message-ID: <65.36bd5f6.2633b316@aol.com> > >Are you sure it wasn't the fish at Landry's? > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:19:48 -0500 >From: Ernest Thomas >To: "11111qqqqqqsd'f'dc]v" >Subject: New(for me)books and stuff >Message-ID: <39025DC3.23C72FC5@bellsouth.net> > >Hi all, >Just been going a bit nuts spending moolah on some new refs. I picked up >the Osprey Albatross Aces, and the latest OTF at the hobby shop >yesterday, and today, my package arrived from Aeroplane Books containing >the DH-5 and Sopwith Snipe Datafiles. >Haven't had much of a chance to look at the Osprey or OTF, but I sure do >like the profiles in the Osprey book(Sorry Bob). I really like these >Datafiles though. Gotta love them Britts. Did they have any idea how >much easier they were making my life when they took all those great pics >of the Snipe and DH-5 airframes, sans covering? >Oh well, that's it for me. Just wanted to share my recent good fortunes. > >E. > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:22:39 -0500 >From: Ernest Thomas >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Updated image pages >Message-ID: <39025E6D.F943874F@bellsouth.net> > > > >Matthew Bittner wrote: > >> LMK what everyone thinks of the new format. > >Works for me... >E. > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:34:32 -0700 >From: "Limon3" >To: >Subject: Re: Updated image pages >Message-ID: <001601bfaccc$75d0fe80$8dbf113f@f4w2s5> > >Matt, looks pretty good to me. Gabe >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Bittner >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000 6:38 PM >Subject: Updated image pages > > >>In looking at a new way to have the initial page for people's model >>images, I went ahead and changed two pages to the format Allan and I >>are thinking of. Those two pages are my own: >> >>http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Bittner/index.html >> >>And Pedro's: >> >>http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Soares/models.html >> >>Also note more images on Pedro's pages, since I'm moving images from my >>geocities site, over to pease1. This is for two reasons - to get the >>WW1 models on the correct site ;-) and because I'm going to need the >>space on geocities for the images from our Regional this May. >> >>LMK what everyone thinks of the new format. >> >> >>Matt Bittner >>http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >>http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 >> >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:40:42 -0400 >From: "Michael S. Alvarado" >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <390262AA.6C0C19AE@bellatlantic.net> > >I'll second that, nice kit, but I do believe that the C.IIa should have >straight >versus scalloped wire wing trailing edges. Also, hopefully the Profi-pac >version >will have such nice things as a photoetched switch/instrument panel (it >appears to >be metal on the prototype aircraft) and maybe some of the other engine >compartment >goodies that can be seen in cockpit photos of the airplane . Still its a >very nice >kit with no apparent hard to fix boo-boos. > >Just my opinion >Alvie > >Ernest Thomas wrote: > >> Limon3 wrote: >> >> > Anyone else on the list gotten one of these puppies yet? >> >> I do, I do! Very nice box of parts. BUt don't damn the profi as being >>redundant >> until you've seen it. I thought the Eduard N.17(non-profi) was the bees >>knees >> until I saw the profi version. There's parts done in PE that are needed but >> don't come with the non-profi, as well as other PE bits that up-grade and >> improve the plastic parts. >> Just a fwiw. >> E. > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:50:19 -0400 >From: "Michael S. Alvarado" >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <390264EB.C15BDE4C@bellatlantic.net> > >So far my only complaint about the kit is the solid fuselage frames. >These were >light open lattices in every cockpit picture I've seen. Don't how I'm >going to >deal with that, carefully open-up the kit frames or use the kit frames as >patterns for making new open ones from Evergreen plastic strip. I'll keep >everyone posted when I start on it in the next couple of weeks, have to finish >my ot Swordfish first (hey at least its a biplane). > >Alvie > >Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/21/00 10:46:07 PM EST, Limon3@email.msn.com writes: >> >> << Tom, I'm with you on that (fish decals). I wonder if the profipack will >> have them. Gabe. >> >> >> I am trying to find out, but so far have yet to hear from my guy at Eduard. >> I do notice that they are advertising both kits - regular and Profipack - in >> SAMi, so it may be coming along soon. >> >> Tom C > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:05:47 -0700 >From: "Limon3" >To: >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <000801bfacd0$d3981e00$8dbf113f@f4w2s5> > >I'll probably cheat on that, and fill with a dark color, since I don't know >if I have the patience or skill to tackle hollowing them out. >Gabe > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael S. Alvarado >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000 7:52 PM >Subject: Re: Roland > > >>So far my only complaint about the kit is the solid fuselage frames. These >were >>light open lattices in every cockpit picture I've seen. Don't how I'm >going to >>deal with that, carefully open-up the kit frames or use the kit frames as >>patterns for making new open ones from Evergreen plastic strip. I'll keep >>everyone posted when I start on it in the next couple of weeks, have to >finish >>my ot Swordfish first (hey at least its a biplane). >> >>Alvie >> >>Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 4/21/00 10:46:07 PM EST, Limon3@email.msn.com writes: >>> >>> << Tom, I'm with you on that (fish decals). I wonder if the profipack >will >>> have them. Gabe. >>> >> >>> I am trying to find out, but so far have yet to hear from my guy at >Eduard. >>> I do notice that they are advertising both kits - regular and Profipack - >in >>> SAMi, so it may be coming along soon. >>> >>> Tom C >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:09:10 -0400 >From: "Michael S. Alvarado" >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Some thoughts 3/4 of the way through my excellent adventure >Message-ID: <39026956.25F5AF1C@bellatlantic.net> > >Bob, > >Just wanted to say that Sharon and I enjoyed our evening with you and >Sharon and >Dave immensely. Hope we can all get together again inmthe not too distant >future (San Diego maybe, Dayton definitely). > >Alvie > >Brad & Merville wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> >> My journey has now lead me back to Toronto, where I find that RK sayeth. .. >> >> >I usually wake up to at least 40 mails- this list and one other >offtopic >> list, plus whatever personal crap comes in. >> >> After seeing how busy everyone has been, I'm starting to wonder about my >> sanity in not unsubscribing while I am gone. ... I will have around >> 1500-2000 email messages to read at this rate when I finally get home in >> another two weeks. >> >> Pensacola was great. . . . all the listees were a joy to meet. .. the only >> disappointment was the lack of vendors (and that Americans have no concept >> of rye whiskey, and try to give you some ghastly concoction called bourbon). >> >> Meeting Sharon, Michael Kendix and Alvie (and Sharon) was a real joy in >> Washington. I shot a roll on the Nieuport and the Felixstowe - hopefully >> they will turn out. >> >> Arriving at a closed Rosemont after a day of driving was a pain. :-( >> >> Regarding copyright. I asked Rimell for permission to use his drawings as >> the basis of my profiles. The short version of his reply was that he has no >> problem with that, it is straight ahead copying that he is against. >> >> Peter Jones ... where can we find your work? >> >> Other cool news .. I am getting a CD-R a lot sooner than I had thought, so >> my CD may be ready this summer (just needs 60 or so British units added). >> All of the Aerodrome Modeler CDs are claimed. However anyone owning one may >> copy it for others. ... Jon Guttman and GVW are embarrased at my putting >> their early work out, but they are both good about it being spread around. >> >> There is talk of OTF putting ALL of C&C(USA) on CD-ROM as they are the >> holders of the copyright on it. >> >> The next seminar is in September 2001 in San Diego, the one after that is in >> Dayton in September 2003. >> >> The British book is now to become a single volume hardcover rather than a >> two volume soft-cover, Pfalz is going to be published as well (as are a >> couple of others I'm not doing). We are looking at more photos and profiles >> for the Pfalz book. >> >> With luck I have also lined up some work for myself in the near future as >> well. >> >> Osprey: I'm boycotting them out of picque that I never illustrated the >> books. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Pearson >> >> http://members.xoom.com/profileart >> http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 >> http://www.internetmodeler.com > > >------------------------------ > >End of WWI Digest 2278 >********************** >