> WWI Digest 2277 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: Roland > by "Matthew Bittner" > 2) A Different Personal to Bob Norgren > by Albatrosdv@aol.com > 3) Re: Roland > by Ernest Thomas > 4) Re: Roland > by Albatrosdv@aol.com > 5) Re: Roland > by Albatrosdv@aol.com > 6) RE: off topic help > by D Charles > 7) Revell Fok DVII available in Australia > by D Charles > 8) Photo disk is in the mail > by Lee Mensinger > 9) Re: Roland > by "Limon3" > 10) Re: Roland > by REwing@aol.com > 11) Re: Ruston 1000th was Black Maria Camel > by Shane & Lorna Jenkins > 12) An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 > by REwing@aol.com > 13) Re: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 > by Ernest Thomas > 14) Re: Roland > by Albatrosdv@aol.com > 15) Perspective on Jastsgate > by smperry@mindspring.com > 16) Hope You are all better now.... > by "Mike Dicianna" > 17) Roland fish scales > by Dennis Ugulano > 18) Re: Perspective on Jastsgate > by "Mike Dicianna" > 19) Re: Ruston 1000th was Black Maria Camel > by KarrArt@aol.com > 20) Re: New Pfalz DXII Question > by "The Rayner Family" > 21) Re: Flashback D.VIII > by skarver@banet.net > 22) Re: Flashback D.VIII > by Albatrosdv@aol.com > 23) Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII > by smperry@mindspring.com > 24) Re: Hope You are all better now.... > by "The Shannons" > 25) Re: Where is everyone? - was Perspective on Jastsgate > by Albatrosdv@aol.com > 26) Re: Where is everyone? - was Perspective on Jastsgate > by Otisgood@aol.com > 27) Re: the LegalBeagle Net, New Pfalz DXII question > by Otisgood@aol.com > 28) Re: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 > by "Bill Bacon" > 29) Re: Perspective on Jastsgate > by "Bill Bacon" > 30) Re: Where is everyone? - was Perspective on Jastsgate > by Lee Mensinger > 31) Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII > by KarrArt@aol.com > 32) Re: Where is everyone? - was Perspective on Jastsgate > by KarrArt@aol.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:35:26 -0500 >From: "Matthew Bittner" >To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <200004220038.RAA06743@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> > >In light of the new kit, and especially the new members, I have >uploaded the references I have for the LFG Roland C.II to my sprint >site: > >http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners > > >Matt Bittner >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:41:53 EDT >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: A Different Personal to Bob Norgren >Message-ID: <2.2a6a320.26324f51@aol.com> > >Bob: > >I got the decals fine. I need your e-mail, as I too recently lost my address >book. (Backing it up daily nowadays) > >Tom Cleaver > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:49:12 -0500 >From: Ernest Thomas >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <3900F708.A768B7CE@bellsouth.net> > > > >Limon3 wrote: > >> Anyone else on the list gotten one of these puppies yet? > >I do, I do! Very nice box of parts. BUt don't damn the profi as being >redundant >until you've seen it. I thought the Eduard N.17(non-profi) was the bees knees >until I saw the profi version. There's parts done in PE that are needed but >don't come with the non-profi, as well as other PE bits that up-grade and >improve the plastic parts. >Just a fwiw. >E. > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:48:02 EDT >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <98.4180c21.263250c2@aol.com> > >In a message dated 4/21/00 7:22:56 PM EST, Limon3@email.msn.com writes: > ><< This will > probably be another of those "what would be a good first model" answerers. > Anyone else on the list gotten one of these puppies yet? Regards, Gabe. >> > >Yes indeed, Gabe, and you are right - it *is* a beauty (even moreso when you >put it next to that BM...er, um, ahhh....thingy). My one complaint is why >they couldn't do the fish decals. > >Tom > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:49:04 EDT >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <8e.408581f.26325100@aol.com> > >In a message dated 4/21/00 7:39:51 PM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > ><< In light of the new kit, and especially the new members, I have > uploaded the references I have for the LFG Roland C.II to my sprint > site: >> > >Awww, gee....thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!!!!!!! > >Tom Cleaver > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:15:39 +1000 >From: D Charles >To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" >Subject: RE: off topic help >Message-ID: <01BFAC4D.1438F6C0.charls@bit.net.au> > >Returning after computer breakdown, and having sifted through 750 messages >and archive it appears my last message didn't get through. So, here it >goes again: >Does anyone know anything about dry transfer stitching in about 1/28 >scale. It's raised. Brand names, distributors, availibility, in Australia? > >David > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:20:24 +1000 >From: D Charles >To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" >Subject: Revell Fok DVII available in Australia >Message-ID: <01BFAC4D.1673A480.charls@bit.net.au> > > >For whoever was asking about the Revell Fokker DVII in 1/28 scale, I saw >one at Mr Toys on the Gold Coast this morning for $AU25. >David > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:23:42 -0500 >From: Lee Mensinger >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Photo disk is in the mail >Message-ID: <39011B3E.C288904B@wireweb.net> > > > >Bob. > >I am not very good at arranging the stuff on the disks yet but I have sent >you a >copy of what I had available for the Nieuport and several other planes. > >I may arrive while you are still vacationing across the USA. > >I hope there may be a few things of value on the disks. I also wish the >photo log >kept by the Vintage Aviation Services were taken with better lighting but >the place >where they work is really dim. It would have been nice if the camera had >been more >adequate but it is better than nothing. > >The CD should work on a PC or a MAC. I made it supposedly to operate "on a >variety of computers" so let me know if it doesn't co-operate for you. > >The package was mailed on the 21st near 1:00 pm in Texas. Lee M. > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:48:33 -0700 >From: "Limon3" >To: >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <002001bfac0d$a23fb660$36bf113f@f4w2s5> > >Tom, I'm with you on that (fish decals). I wonder if the profipack will >have them. Gabe. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 5:51 PM >Subject: Re: Roland > > >>In a message dated 4/21/00 7:22:56 PM EST, Limon3@email.msn.com writes: >> >><< This will >> probably be another of those "what would be a good first model" answerers. >> Anyone else on the list gotten one of these puppies yet? Regards, Gabe. >>> >> >>Yes indeed, Gabe, and you are right - it *is* a beauty (even moreso when >you >>put it next to that BM...er, um, ahhh....thingy). My one complaint is why >>they couldn't do the fish decals. >> >>Tom > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:03:11 EDT >From: REwing@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: <90.352d0ed.26328c8f@aol.com> > > For those of you who have access to the "Aerodrome Modeler", Vol.3; >No.2, has an article written by Greg Van Wyngarden entitled," Whales, Sharks, >and Other Fish: The Roland Series". It provides several drawings and >descriptions of the C.II, C.IIa, D.II, D.VIa, D.VIb. Some really neat >schemes availble, even the fish-scaled version! >FWIW, >-Rick- > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:21:46 +1000 >From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins >To: WW1 posts >Subject: Re: Ruston 1000th was Black Maria Camel >Message-ID: <390136EA.FCD63269@tac.com.au> > >Sandy wrote: > >>> Thanks for asking Lorna - there's a stack of finished models awaiting the >camera - Pfalz D.III, D.VIII, Dr1, A.II, E.I, Sopwith Tabloid & Ruston >100th. Over a year's worth of building. I usually photograph outdoors in >natural light - blame the Scottish weather! << > >Well while the Scottish weather is holding up the pics for us to view it >seems that it may also be partly responsible for a steady stream of >models. Catch 22 ;-) > >Cheers >Lorna > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:32:42 EDT >From: REwing@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 >Message-ID: <43.3b6a271.2632937a@aol.com> > > ><< May I suggest that this backhande basing of Dr. Merrill is uncalled for. > Remember well that this list wae responsible for "Jastagate".>> (snip) > > I have to step in on this since I was the one who (unintentionally) >started this thread. When I got back from Pensacola late Sunday night, I was >put in the hospital the following morning for an apparent appendicitis. It >turned out to be kidney stones. I got out Wednesday and started to read the >532 messages that had accumulated, though I thought I had unsubbed. It was >the copyright stuff, again, that caught my attention. > It was my intention to tell the consequences of copyright infringement, >even the most unintentional, could have. Dr. Merrill still is angry over >"Jastagate", and has every right to be. I probably would be, too. I did not >mean to attack Dr. Merrill in any way. > I bought 8 sheets from him that day and would have bought more had my >checkbook held out. The decals are great and there is enough there to keep >me busy for the next several years. The A-H hex is absolutely gorgeous for >anyone considering the Flashback kit. > On the lighter side, Bill Bacon kept handing me his checkbook and told >me to take his wife,Pat (a man doesn't get an offer like that everyday!!!) >and buy more decals. It was a lot of fun spending another man's money! > My apologies to Dr. Merrill. He is a fine gentleman and does wonderful >work, and I will continue to do business with him. Chalk it up to a drug >induced hangover that things were not very clear. > >-Rick- > P.S. I did get a new decal soaking dish in the most interesting >shape!! ;^} > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:59:24 -0500 >From: Ernest Thomas >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 >Message-ID: <39013FBB.F237C115@bellsouth.net> > > > >REwing@aol.com wrote: > >> I did not >> mean to attack Dr. Merrill in any way. > >I thought that was odd, as you seemed happy as a bee when talking about your >decal purchase over dinner. Glad you got me straight. >I bought 8 sheets too, and yes, the hex is superb. > >And also of interest, DB just left my place. I got to see his woven wire >seat up >close with my own face. What a piece of work that is. Web pics do it no >justice. >I suggested he leave it out of the plane and bring it to Dallas to enter >in the >miscellaneous category. >E. > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:26:02 EDT >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Roland >Message-ID: > >In a message dated 4/21/00 10:46:07 PM EST, Limon3@email.msn.com writes: > ><< Tom, I'm with you on that (fish decals). I wonder if the profipack will > have them. Gabe. > >> >I am trying to find out, but so far have yet to hear from my guy at Eduard. >I do notice that they are advertising both kits - regular and Profipack - in >SAMi, so it may be coming along soon. > >Tom C > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 07:13:13 -0400 >From: smperry@mindspring.com >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Subject: Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: <001501bfac4b$c121b680$9b0156d1@default> > >Recent mention of A/G and Dr. Merrill on the list has also brought some >mentions of the "Jastagate" business where some of us got carried away with >scanners and opinions on copyrights. > >One thing that was not brought up at the time was the fact that it happened >concurrently with the drop in prices for scanners. > >You mix readily available scanners, e-mail communication, relatively >esoteric subject matter and then toss in the enthusiasm, generosity and >interest level of this group and what happened is quite understandable. >Jastagate happened in the first flush of enthusiasm with a newly available >technology. > >The result was akin to a monkey with a machine gun...lots of stray bullets. >Well unlike the proverbial monkey, once we realized there was colateral >damage as it were and that our actions were hurting others in ways we had >not yet considered, we stopped the offending actions and learned to use our >new toys responsibly. > >That Dr. Merrill should respond with an angry letter is also understandable. >Most folks say "OUCH!" and not "Thank you" when you step on their toes. > >Jastagate has been looked at and referred to as sort of a dark chapter in >the history of this list. In perspective I don't think so. I believe it is >an excellent example of how a group can rein in and police its own actions. >That it first happened is understandable, that it stopped so quickly and has >not been a problem since, is due to the high calibre of the people who make >up this list. > >Soapbox mode off > >Glen, if you are reading this, I sure enjoyed our conversation about >backpacking and Boxer dogs and I intend to make full use of that catalog as >soon as my checkbook recovers from the trip. > >sp >E-mail smperry@mindspring.com >Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:23:56 -0700 >From: "Mike Dicianna" >To: >Subject: Hope You are all better now.... >Message-ID: <001601bfac6e$d9b103e0$3c7f3ace@pavilion> > >Having been there, done that, hope that all came "out" well. Like our >President, "I feel your pain...." > >It's like driving a Buick through a garden hose.... > > >MikeDC >"Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > >> >When I got back from Pensacola late Sunday night, I was >> put in the hospital the following morning for an apparent appendicitis. >It >> turned out to be kidney stones > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:58:42 -0400 >From: Dennis Ugulano >To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" >Subject: Roland fish scales >Message-ID: <200004221358_MC2-A22D-9B77@compuserve.com> > >Hi everyone, > > Just following the Roland fish scale thread. It took me 30 years >to get up enough courage to do mine and the results are pleasing to me. >And it wasn't that difficult. I think it will be even easier to do in >1/48th. > > A question about the 1/48th Roland. Is the lower wing one piece >like the Airfix kit? If it is, the fish scale is very easy to do as you >can work with a complete fuselage and not have a wing in the way. The >Airfix wing fits so good that no putty was necessary when attaching the >wing. > > Any questions, just ask. > > I have not forgotten to send some goodies that I promised. I just >don't have the time right now. But, only 40 more days and the lurk mode is >off. > >Dennis Ugulano >email: Uggies@compuserve.com >http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm >Page Revised 2/6/00 >"Every modeller will rise to his own level of masochism" > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:51:56 -0700 >From: "Mike Dicianna" >To: >Subject: Re: Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: <002301bfac72$b05b83e0$3c7f3ace@pavilion> > >I always feel a pang of guilt when the words "jastagate" come accross the >screen. After a year of thinking about it >I still look upon it as a "painful learning experience" I have to agree >100% with Mr. Perry's assessment of the incident. >One main point I could add to this is the fact that the enthusiasm and >commradeship of this group was one of the >key factors in the incident. > >I too, was very excited about my aquisition of a scanner and just loved >scanning everything in sight. (I even tried to scan >a 1/72 scale completed kit .....did not work so well... had to reattach some >broken wing struts...) With all the information that is shared amoung our >friends on the list, this "new" medium was too tempting to resist. >Luckily the damage was not >as bad as some might think. I feel the members of the list did learn some >valuable lessons about publically posting scanned >copywrited materials and we are really self policing ourselves. > >I have about a $100 order for Dr. Merrill I have wanted to send in since >this incident, but am afraid my "tainted" name >from this incident would cause problems. You know, "we reserve the right >to refuse service to...." I may try just >a small order to test the waters. With the pile of Eduard Albatrossen I >have, I really have a big woody for the Jasta 5 >sheet.... > >Nuff said..... > >Just could not hold it in anymore.... > >MikeDC >"Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > > > >> Recent mention of A/G and Dr. Merrill on the list has also brought some >> mentions of the "Jastagate" business where some of us got carried away >with >> scanners and opinions on copyrights. >> >> One thing that was not brought up at the time was the fact that it >happened >> concurrently with the drop in prices for scanners. >> >> You mix readily available scanners, e-mail communication, relatively >> esoteric subject matter and then toss in the enthusiasm, generosity and >> interest level of this group and what happened is quite understandable. >> Jastagate happened in the first flush of enthusiasm with a newly available >> technology. >> >> The result was akin to a monkey with a machine gun...lots of stray >bullets. >> Well unlike the proverbial monkey, once we realized there was colateral >> damage as it were and that our actions were hurting others in ways we had >> not yet considered, we stopped the offending actions and learned to use >our >> new toys responsibly. >> >> That Dr. Merrill should respond with an angry letter is also >understandable. >> Most folks say "OUCH!" and not "Thank you" when you step on their toes. >> >> Jastagate has been looked at and referred to as sort of a dark chapter in >> the history of this list. In perspective I don't think so. I believe it is >> an excellent example of how a group can rein in and police its own >actions. >> That it first happened is understandable, that it stopped so quickly and >has >> not been a problem since, is due to the high calibre of the people who >make >> up this list. >> >> Soapbox mode off >> >> Glen, if you are reading this, I sure enjoyed our conversation about >> backpacking and Boxer dogs and I intend to make full use of that catalog >as >> soon as my checkbook recovers from the trip. >> >> sp >> E-mail smperry@mindspring.com >> Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:42:09 EDT >From: KarrArt@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Ruston 1000th was Black Maria Camel >Message-ID: > >In a message dated 4/21/00 1:50:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cbbs@almac.co.uk >writes: > ><< > Thanks for asking Lorna - there's a stack of finished models awaiting the > camera - Pfalz D.III, D.VIII, Dr1, A.II, E.I, Sopwith Tabloid & Ruston > 100th. Over a year's worth of building. I usually photograph outdoors in > natural light - blame the Scottish weather! > Sandy >> > >Yes yes- I want to see ALL of these! >RK > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:45:44 +0100 >From: "The Rayner Family" >To: >Subject: Re: New Pfalz DXII Question >Message-ID: <000801bfac82$965768a0$b101883e@nigelr> > >Otis wrote: >>If it's the wire I think you're talking about, my Datafile on the DXII has >a >>great picture on page 31 showing the wires meeting in the rear location on >>the wing root, just to the right > >Thanks Otis, rear one it is. Confirms what the pics of 2600/18 show. > >Cheers, > >Nigel > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:44:32 -0400 >From: skarver@banet.net >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Flashback D.VIII >Message-ID: <3901E500.7BABB745@banet.net> > >Hello-- >Which is Udet's D.VIII? >Thanks, >StK > >Christopher Crofoot wrote: > >> Hello All, >> I am presently tinkering around with an old Eduard D.VIII kit. I >>was considering building Udets machine > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:13:44 EDT >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Flashback D.VIII >Message-ID: <3b.3e0babc.26337e18@aol.com> > >In a message dated 4/22/00 4:56:06 PM EST, skarver@banet.net writes: > ><< Hello-- > Which is Udet's D.VIII? > Thanks, >> > >AFAIK, Udet didn't have a D.VIII, he did however have a D.VII - careful now, >count all the "I" and you'll have it. :-) > >Tom Cleaver > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:22:21 -0400 >From: smperry@mindspring.com >To: >Subject: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII >Message-ID: <001c01bfaca9$3a8e0660$bf0556d1@default> > >I believe Udet had a post-war D.VIII painted red with a fuel tank in the L/G >spreader wing. It was confiscated from him by the Allies in 1919 or 20 >IIRC. Joey?? > >sp > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:25:37 -0500 >From: "The Shannons" >To: >Subject: Re: Hope You are all better now.... >Message-ID: <001b01bfaca9$afd537e0$b34cddcf@shark> > >My condolences as well. > >I too, feel your pain. I have been rushed to the emergency room with one of >those buggers, and the Dr.'s have told me there are some more up in the >kidney that "might come down any time, or never." Isn't that fun to know. > >On the yippee side, I finally got my Pfalz D.IIIa and Roland C.II! My hobby >shop (King's Hobby in Austin, Texas) had been putting up with me and my >expectant nerves since the first D.IIIa kit had come out, wodering when they >were going to get them in stock. Neither they nor I know why it took so >long. I went by there today, and when they saw my car pull in, they lined >up all the new Eduard kits up along the counter so I wouldn't miss them when >I entered -- They had gotten both issues of the D.IIIa, the Taube, the dinky >Alb D.V, and the Roland all in one shipment. A quick $59 US, including Gov. >Bush's and Mayor Watson's shares. > >Mark or Mary Shannon >Shingend@ix.netcom.com > >The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the >cheese >> > >> When I got back from Pensacola late Sunday night, I was >> > put in the hospital the following morning for an apparent appendicitis. >> It >> > turned out to be kidney stones >> > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:12:48 EDT >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Where is everyone? - was Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: > >Hey, I cannot believe all the motor-mouths on the WW1 list have suddenly gone >into Drone Mode for Easter or whatever, but having only *three* e-mails in >the box this morning certainly qualifies as a first. Me, I don't think it's >just due to the holiday. I would check if I got unsubbed somehow, but the >e-mail with those instructions was among the many items that didn't make it >with all the computer problems, so if someone could send those instructions >(off-list so I am sure to see them) I would appreciate the dickens out of it. > >I don't see how I could get unsubbed - as an active member there's no way I >can see that anything sent here would have gotten one of the responses that >ding one off the list, but right now after all the stuff that's happened, I >leave nothing to chance again. > >TIA > >Tom Cleaver > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:36:14 EDT >From: Otisgood@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Where is everyone? - was Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: <9f.4544fb5.2633835e@aol.com> > >In a message dated 4/22/00 5:30:06 PM Central Daylight Time, >Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > >> don't see how I could get unsubbed - as an active member there's no way I >> can see that anything sent here would have gotten one of the responses >that >> ding one off the list, but right now after all the stuff that's happened, >I >> leave nothing to chance again. > I coudn't get onto the WWI Page all day. I think they must have been doing >some maintenance on the server(?). I sent Allan a bunch of images last night. >Hope it didn't crash it! > >Otis > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:38:48 EDT >From: Otisgood@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: the LegalBeagle Net, New Pfalz DXII question >Message-ID: <8a.2aec734.263383f8@aol.com> > >In a message dated 4/21/00 2:09:05 PM Central Daylight Time, >nigel@rosnar.freeserve.co.uk writes: > >> Photos NASM's DXII (in the spurious colour scheme) >> show it at the front location, whereas AWM's 2600/18 has it at the rear. I >> don't have many contemporary photos (no DF), the ones I do have aren't >clear >> enough to be sure. Any thoughts greatly appreciated. > > Also, Nigel, check my photo of the Champlin Pfalz at my images site on the >WWI Page. It, too, shows the wires meeting at the rear. > >Otis > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:03:01 -0500 >From: "Bill Bacon" >To: >Subject: Re: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 >Message-ID: <001301bfac6b$dad789e0$413c32cf@tcac.net> > >Rick, > >I hope you were not uffened with my comments because that was not my >intention. Would not have missed the seminar for any price. Will be >getting back with you on our conversations. Sorry to hear about your >problems and hope all is well now. Check with you later and Pat sends her >best. > >Cheers, > >Bill >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 12:37 AM >Subject: An Apology; was Re: Americal 1/28 > > >> >> << May I suggest that this backhande basing of Dr. Merrill is uncalled >for. >> Remember well that this list wae responsible for "Jastagate".>> (snip) >> >> I have to step in on this since I was the one who (unintentionally) >> started this thread. When I got back from Pensacola late Sunday night, I >was >> put in the hospital the following morning for an apparent appendicitis. >It >> turned out to be kidney stones. I got out Wednesday and started to read >the >> 532 messages that had accumulated, though I thought I had unsubbed. It >was >> the copyright stuff, again, that caught my attention. >> It was my intention to tell the consequences of copyright >infringement, >> even the most unintentional, could have. Dr. Merrill still is angry over >> "Jastagate", and has every right to be. I probably would be, too. I did >not >> mean to attack Dr. Merrill in any way. >> I bought 8 sheets from him that day and would have bought more had my >> checkbook held out. The decals are great and there is enough there to >keep >> me busy for the next several years. The A-H hex is absolutely gorgeous >for >> anyone considering the Flashback kit. >> On the lighter side, Bill Bacon kept handing me his checkbook and >told >> me to take his wife,Pat (a man doesn't get an offer like that everyday!!!) >> and buy more decals. It was a lot of fun spending another man's money! >> My apologies to Dr. Merrill. He is a fine gentleman and does >wonderful >> work, and I will continue to do business with him. Chalk it up to a drug >> induced hangover that things were not very clear. >> >> -Rick- >> P.S. I did get a new decal soaking dish in the most interesting >> shape!! ;^} >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:06:57 -0500 >From: "Bill Bacon" >To: >Subject: Re: Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: <001901bfac6c$675a9ba0$413c32cf@tcac.net> > >Steve, > >Your points are well taken. I just wanted to make sure things did not get >out of hand. As you can guess, we made it home in fine shspe. Pat sends >her best. > >Cheers, > >Bill > >Cheers >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 6:15 AM >Subject: Perspective on Jastsgate > > >> Recent mention of A/G and Dr. Merrill on the list has also brought some >> mentions of the "Jastagate" business where some of us got carried away >with >> scanners and opinions on copyrights. >> >> One thing that was not brought up at the time was the fact that it >happened >> concurrently with the drop in prices for scanners. >> >> You mix readily available scanners, e-mail communication, relatively >> esoteric subject matter and then toss in the enthusiasm, generosity and >> interest level of this group and what happened is quite understandable. >> Jastagate happened in the first flush of enthusiasm with a newly available >> technology. >> >> The result was akin to a monkey with a machine gun...lots of stray >bullets. >> Well unlike the proverbial monkey, once we realized there was colateral >> damage as it were and that our actions were hurting others in ways we had >> not yet considered, we stopped the offending actions and learned to use >our >> new toys responsibly. >> >> That Dr. Merrill should respond with an angry letter is also >understandable. >> Most folks say "OUCH!" and not "Thank you" when you step on their toes. >> >> Jastagate has been looked at and referred to as sort of a dark chapter in >> the history of this list. In perspective I don't think so. I believe it is >> an excellent example of how a group can rein in and police its own >actions. >> That it first happened is understandable, that it stopped so quickly and >has >> not been a problem since, is due to the high calibre of the people who >make >> up this list. >> >> Soapbox mode off >> >> Glen, if you are reading this, I sure enjoyed our conversation about >> backpacking and Boxer dogs and I intend to make full use of that catalog >as >> soon as my checkbook recovers from the trip. >> >> sp >> E-mail smperry@mindspring.com >> Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:41:45 -0500 >From: Lee Mensinger >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Albatrosdv@aol.com >Subject: Re: Where is everyone? - was Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: <39022AA9.3D52B907@wireweb.net> > >You are not un-subbed and the list is incredibly slow today. Like you. I got >something in the vicinity of three message till you sent me the fourth. >It has >been a long quiet day. > >At least no one is saying anything nasty about anything. Peace on Earth? > >Maybe they are to busy watching Alien. Lee M. > > >Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > >> Hey, I cannot believe all the motor-mouths on the WW1 list have suddenly >>gone >> into Drone Mode for Easter or whatever, but having only *three* e-mails in >> the box this morning certainly qualifies as a first. Me, I don't think it's >> just due to the holiday. I would check if I got unsubbed somehow, but the >> e-mail with those instructions was among the many items that didn't make it >> with all the computer problems, so if someone could send those instructions >> (off-list so I am sure to see them) I would appreciate the dickens out >>of it. >> >> I don't see how I could get unsubbed - as an active member there's no way I >> can see that anything sent here would have gotten one of the responses that >> ding one off the list, but right now after all the stuff that's happened, I >> leave nothing to chance again. >> >> TIA >> >> Tom Cleaver > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:46:26 EDT >From: KarrArt@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Udet D.VIII was Re: Flashback D.VIII >Message-ID: <4e.489b79c.263385c2@aol.com> > >In a message dated 4/22/00 3:22:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >smperry@mindspring.com writes: > ><< believe Udet had a post-war D.VIII painted red with a fuel tank in the L/G > spreader wing. It was confiscated from him by the Allies in 1919 or 20 > IIRC. Joey?? > > sp > >> > >I don't know about the red part, but he did have a post-war D.VIII ("8" just >to make sure....) that did have a gas tank in the undercarraige, but I seem >to remember seeing lozenge on this machine...could've been painted red later? >RK > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:46:25 EDT >From: KarrArt@aol.com >To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Subject: Re: Where is everyone? - was Perspective on Jastsgate >Message-ID: > >In a message dated 4/22/00 3:29:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > ><< Hey, I cannot believe all the motor-mouths on the WW1 list have suddenly >gone > into Drone Mode for Easter or whatever, but having only *three* e-mails in > the box this morning certainly qualifies as a first. >> > >I usually wake up to at least 40 mails- this list and one other offtopic >list, plus whatever personal crap comes in. >I had 6 this morning- and one of those was spam for some loose-wieght-quick >scam! >I guess with the holiday weekend it's just a light day! >RK(who has now wrestled the SopTripe painting to the ground, but I'm still >beating it in the head with a beer bottle...it refuses to completely >surrender) > >------------------------------ > >End of WWI Digest 2277 >********************** >