WWI Digest 2274 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Osprey Albatros Aces by "Limon3" 2) RE: Osprey Albatros Aces by Shane Weier 3) Visiting with list members by "Michael S. Alvarado" 4) Re: Upcoming from Osprey by "Len Smith" 5) Black Maria Camel by "Sandy Adam" 6) Re: Osprey Albatros Aces by "David Calhoun" 7) Re: Help by Mark Miller 8) Re: the LegalBeagle Net by Allan Wright 9) Re: New on-topic armor book by Allan Wright 10) Re: New on-topic armor book by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: Eduard Albatros by Otisgood@aol.com 12) Re: Turkish delight by Sharon Henderson 13) Re: the LegalBeagle Net by "Michael Kendix" 14) Great Models URL by Lee Mensinger 15) Re: Eduard Albatros by Witold Kozakiewicz 16) SAMI by "Harris, Mack" 17) Garber visit with Bob pearson by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: Turkish delight by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 19) Excesses (was Re: the LegalBeagle Net) by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 20) Re: Eduard Albatros by Otisgood@aol.com 21) Re: SAMI by Otisgood@aol.com 22) Re: Eduard Albatros by "Matt Bittner" 23) WWI Gunships? by "Matt Bailey" 24) Re: Eduard Albatros by Otisgood@aol.com 25) Re: Garber visit with Bob pearson by "DAVID BURKE" 26) Re: Eduard Albatros by "Matt Bittner" 27) rms by "DAVID BURKE" 28) Re: Eduard Albatros by Albatrosdv@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:36:10 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Osprey Albatros Aces Message-ID: <000601bfaa81$f47e8a60$bebf113f@f4w2s5> Shane, you're not bonkers. Mai, as well as other deserving pilots, never got the PlM, so that's a good size mistake. It's not really a picking of nits, since this is a source which many of us will use, and if it's poor info, then it's just not right. BTW, I've also seen all sorts of interpretations of the color of Alb. metal panels and other parts. The Smithsonian book shows a pale green color with less gray, so anyone with more knowledge than I should chime in, unless I'm resurrecting a long dead thread, for which I apologize. Cheers, Gabe. -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 9:23 PM Subject: Osprey Albatros Aces >Hi all, > >Have mine at hand and very interesting it is. > >Interesting to see that with the single exception of Josef Mais machine all >the Albatros cowls are in light grey unless otherwise overpainted. A minor >detail, but I understood them to be either grey or greyish green *and* the >only two surviving Albatrosse both have the greyish green applied (in both >cases following careful study of the existing paint to determine the >original colour). > >I wonder if Matt could get GvW to comment on the relative frequency of each >finish. > >Also whilst on Mai (and his is the *ONLY* one I've looked at so far ) >Norman Franks says that Mai was awarded the Pour le Merite. Now I may be >wrong, but I recall reading translations of letters from Mai asking German >authorities to award him the PlM he felt entitled to on the basis of the >number of victories scored - but which was *never* awarded because of the >Kaisers abdication and the cessation of all Imperial awards. Again, unless >I'm right barmy, this is detailed in some well regarded and recent >books/articles and seems an odd mistake > >Just a nit pick - unless I'm thinking of someone else. > >Shane > >(my sources IIRC were OtF and the Prussian volume of the series on Aviation >Awards and the Airmen etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:49:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Osprey Albatros Aces Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F42@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dale says: > According to "Above The Lines" Frank,Bailey and Guest he did > not receive the Blue Max because of the collapse. Indeedy. And the above should read "Franks", as in the same author. Nice to know I'm not the only one afflicted by brain farts. Shane (planning to spend Easter reading new datafiles and the Albatros book, finishing one Albatros and doing some work on another and otherwise seriously avoiding work. Yahoooo!) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:48:57 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Visiting with list members Message-ID: <38FE8C38.83B9E923@bellatlantic.net> Just got back from a truly wonderful evening with fellow list members Sharon Henderson, Bob Pearson and Dave Zulis. The wife and I had a marvelous time discussing life, Pensacola and the Great War in general. Bob and Dave are migrating back up North after the OTC Seminar in Pensacola. Its always great to meet list members in the flesh a get confirmation that the members of this list are truly some of the finest people on Earth. Bob, Dave, it was a real honor meeting you, have fun and good luck as you continue your journeys home. Sharon, I now know two wonderful Sharons and look forward to getting together again and getting the National Capital "Squasta" going. Alvie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:23:49 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Upcoming from Osprey Message-ID: <000201bfaa92$3e8f7780$8c867ed4@mesh> Pedro wrote > The Albatross book mentions more than once an upcoming DR1 book on the same > series. So, at least we'll have the tross, the Nieuport, the Spad, and both > tripes..... Sopwith tripes, of course? Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:08:14 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Black Maria Camel Message-ID: <001101bfaaa8$634d4820$1fe8b094@sandyada> Current issue (31/1) of C&C has a fine article on 213 Sqdn which shows that during Collishaw's temporary command he instituted a "Black Flight" similar to 10N Sqdn. One picture shows him standing in front of a Camel presumed to be B6390 which has "Black Maria" moniker and a large white "C" on starboard tailplane and upper centre section. Looks like black nose, wheels and rudder. Damn it! I have just finished my fourth and last (definitely) Blue Max Camel as the Ruston 1000th. I will not build another (well maybe when Eduard's comes out) but I would have done this subject for sure to sit beside my Black Maria Tripehound. Other pics show other 213 Sq Black Flight Camels - Black Prince and Black Cat. (Article is extract from Air-Britain 213 Sqdn history "The Hornet Strikes" so presumably that has same pics.) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:33:47 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Osprey Albatros Aces Message-ID: <003a01bfaad5$71a11000$162f3ccc@oemcomputer> In the book German Knights of the Air by Treadwell & Wood, which chronicles the 81 German airmen awarded the Blue Max, it says Josef Mai, who despite having scored 30 victories was never awarded the Pour le Merite. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 9:24 PM Subject: Osprey Albatros Aces >Hi all, > >Have mine at hand and very interesting it is. > >Interesting to see that with the single exception of Josef Mais machine all >the Albatros cowls are in light grey unless otherwise overpainted. A minor >detail, but I understood them to be either grey or greyish green *and* the >only two surviving Albatrosse both have the greyish green applied (in both >cases following careful study of the existing paint to determine the >original colour). > >I wonder if Matt could get GvW to comment on the relative frequency of each >finish. > >Also whilst on Mai (and his is the *ONLY* one I've looked at so far ) >Norman Franks says that Mai was awarded the Pour le Merite. Now I may be >wrong, but I recall reading translations of letters from Mai asking German >authorities to award him the PlM he felt entitled to on the basis of the >number of victories scored - but which was *never* awarded because of the >Kaisers abdication and the cessation of all Imperial awards. Again, unless >I'm right barmy, this is detailed in some well regarded and recent >books/articles and seems an odd mistake > >Just a nit pick - unless I'm thinking of someone else. > >Shane > >(my sources IIRC were OtF and the Prussian volume of the series on Aviation >Awards and the Airmen etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. >E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2000 05:36:05 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <20000420123605.21181.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Wed, 19 April 2000, smperry@mindspring.com wrote: Speaking of airleron droop I've noticed that a lot of the photos of early aircraft show an extreme amount of sag and in some cases the airlerons are hanging straight down. At first I assumed this was because the cables got cut or something but it seems to happen to often. The Short Seaplane (the one with the huge rudder) shows et least 45 degrees of downward deflection on both airlerons in almost every picture - how is that possible? Mark > Roger: > > Barring control locks of some sort, gravity will droop the elevator to most > of it's downward deflection. Ailerons & rudder either even or only silghtly > deflected seemed to be the consensus. > HTH > sp > > > I am new to the level of detail that the guys on the list are showing and > > there is a question the I need an answer to. I am building a Sopwith > > Strutter Do I show the ailerons level and the Elevator dipped down? or how > > are the control surfaces shown?? I will appreciate your help so I can > become > > as good as most of the guys on the WW1 model page are, I have a long way > to > > go too......Roger B > > _______________________________________________________________________ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: the LegalBeagle Net Message-ID: <200004201303.JAA03950@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Glen Merrill (sp?) was at Pensacola and he is still smarting over > Jastgate. He made a comment to one list member that the group was a very > small part of his business. Though a very large amount of decals were sold > to those with buttons on, I got the impression he could care less if any of > us bought anything from him again. He also mentioned that he does lurk and > reads many of the posts. He knew Bill Bacon quite well just from his e-mails > about French colors. FWIW. If we are so insignificant I wonder why he feels the need to lurk? All I have to say is he is lucky he has a unique product. It's easy to be blase' about your customers when you have a monopoly. As for me - I'm just Alps-ing my own lozenge from now on. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:04:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New on-topic armor book Message-ID: <200004201304.JAA03982@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I'm very interested - where did you get yours? -Al > > I just received the book "Armored Cars in Russian Army 1906-1917". > This is an excellent reference book!! The only disadvantage is it's > entirely in Cyrillic. However, the photo quality is better than some > US books I have seen. There are 1/35th drawings (okay, maybe the book > isn't *that* great ;-) and color plates not only of the cars > themselves, but also uniforms of the people. > > Highly recommended! Depending on where you get it, it's anywhere from > about US$15-$20 > > Now to purchase the three Modelkrak models... > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:29:48 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New on-topic armor book Message-ID: <200004201331.JAA04351@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:06:47 -0400 (EDT), Allan Wright wrote: > I'm very interested - where did you get yours? NKR, although Jadar and GP Hobby - both in Poland - carry it as well. Before ordering from NKR, though, you may want to check with them. I think they're out of stock now. I can't say enough about this book. I'm hoping for a translation, but besides that it's a superb piece of reference. Does Riviersco (sp?) do Russian armored cars? I doubt they're as good, though, as Modelkrak... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:58:04 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:10:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Limon3" writes: > I was just browsing through the Great Models Webstore, and saw a future > release from Eduard, actually 2. They are Albatros DII and Profipack > versions. The boxart on the first is the early DII with a white stylized > bird on the fuselage behind the pilot, the Profipack boxart shows a skull & > crossbones on a red square field. Anyone on the list know when these are > scheduled to appear? Barry? Sitting here drooling.......Gabe What's the address for the Great Modles website? I did an AOL search and came up with nothing. Thanks. I did notice the Eduard DII listed in a model mags (SAMI?) list of future releases. They'll be hard pressed to beat our friends at Passchandaele. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:56:22 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Turkish delight Message-ID: E scripsit: >The sauce thickens...... >So I guess the logical questions to ask would be; >2) Can Treadwell and Wood be trusted? What were their sources? >and...... Treadwell and Wood have some lovely pix, but their text is as riddled with holes as a fighter plane fuselage in April 1917. LOTS of boo- boos. >3) if my personal life involves Halberstadts, wouldn't that make it >very OT, Sharon dear? >E. :-) Yes, it would indeed -- and it would make me worry about you a very great deal. Unless we're talking finding some nice young thing and inaugurating a kind of extremely dangerous Mile High Club of WW1.... ;-) Sharon :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:01:04 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: the LegalBeagle Net Message-ID: <20000420140105.80211.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Allan Wright >> Glen Merrill (sp?) was at Pensacola and he is still smarting >>over >>Jastgate. He made a comment to one list member that the group >>was a >>very small part of his business. Though a very large amount >>of decals >>were sold to those with buttons on, I got the impression >>he could care >>less if any of us bought anything from him again. He >>also mentioned >>that he does lurk and reads many of the posts. He >>new Bill Bacon quite >>well just from his e-mails about French >>colors. FWIW. > >If we are so insignificant I wonder why he feels the need to lurk? >All I have to say is he is lucky he has a unique product. It's easy >to be >blase' about your customers when you have a monopoly. >as for me - I'm just Alps-ing my own lozenge from now on. > Allan: A couple of things here. First, I have corresponded with Glenn Merrill (by regular mail, of course :) ) and have found him to be a decent bloke. Second, regarding the copyright episode known as "Jastagate"; while there may be some who believe that he should "Just get over it", that is easier said than done, given the unthinking behaviour of some listees at that time. Thus, if he's still mad, I find it understandable, and I cannot claim that I would be able to forgive and forget, were I in his shoes. Third, I have always found his products to be first rate and not too expensive, so what more can you ask? As for the Alps solution; I think that is on the horizon for many folks. I've had my HP IIIP LaserJet for 10 years and it shows no sign of quitting, but eventually I'll have to replace it. I think that making your own decals using these technologies will be a whole new area of interest, especially for those like us who have a strong affinity for both modelling and computers. Hey, we could start a decal modelling list; in addition to having 800 kits in the attic that you're never going to build, you could have a dozen filing cabinet drawers full of decals to go with them! Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:12:13 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, lemen@wireweb.net Subject: Great Models URL Message-ID: <38FF103D.54DE0FA4@wireweb.net> http://www.GreatModels.com Lee M. Otisgood@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:10:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Limon3" writes: > > > I was just browsing through the Great Models Webstore, and saw a future > > release from Eduard, actually 2. They are Albatros DII and Profipack > > versions. The boxart on the first is the early DII with a white stylized > > bird on the fuselage behind the pilot, the Profipack boxart shows a skull & > > crossbones on a red square field. Anyone on the list know when these are > > scheduled to appear? Barry? Sitting here drooling.......Gabe > > What's the address for the Great Modles website? I did an AOL search and came up with nothing. Thanks. I did notice the Eduard DII listed in a model mags (SAMI?) list of future releases. They'll be hard pressed to beat our friends at Passchandaele. > > Otis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:18:59 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <38FF11D3.1EABC476@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Otisgood@aol.com : > > What's the address for the Great Modles website? I did an AOL search and came up with nothing. Thanks. I did notice the Eduard DII listed in a model mags (SAMI?) list of future releases. They'll be hard pressed to beat our friends at Passchandaele. Otis Try http://www.greatmodels.com or direct to Eduard Albatros section http://www.greatmodels.com/cgi/search.cgi?terms=Eduard_+Aircraft_Model&category=Eduard_+Aircraft_Model&boolean=AND&next=60 HTH Looks like some day we could do all types of your favorite plane and all from Eduard. I wonder when they release Oeffag 53,153 and 253 series. Regards. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:15:12 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'World War I'" Subject: SAMI Message-ID: Any good places to order SAMI online? Mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:23:32 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Garber visit with Bob pearson Message-ID: <20000420142332.37143.qmail@hotmail.com> I thought I would provide a note on what is becoming known as the "Bob and Dave Road Show". As you know, our two intrepids are staying with Reverend Sharon in Fairfax, Va. Yesterday, I met up with Bob at the NASM. Unfortunately, Sharon was unable to attend due to work, and Dave Zulis was touring the Chesapeake Bay area. Ted Hamaday and Bob are working on a joint project, and Ted kindly drove us down to the Garber Facility in Silver Hill, MD. While Ted was engaged in his research activities, Bob and I took a veritably Homeric four-and-a-half-hour tour of Garber, after which I felt totally fried! Our tour guide was a great bloke, and although he tended to linger a little longer than some would have liked, we visited five buildings (a near record, I understand), and given we are unlikely to return in the near future, I was glad of it. I shot over 100 pictures and I cannot remember the names of most of the aeroplanes I saw. One thing was this large Caudron bomber with the three vertical tail pieces. It was very dusty and the fabric was a bit torn, however, considering its age, it was in decent shape. Yes, Matt, those roundels are powder blue, but who knows whether that's due to aging or whatever. We also got to see the almost-constructed Nieuport 28; they were just putting the finishes touches to it; actually, this can be viewed on a web cam at the Garber web site. After Garber, Ted drove us back to the NASM. Sharon was still at work, so we walked around NASM for a bit, talked, and then I left. In general, a most enjoyable, if tiring day, and it was a great pleasure to meet Bob. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:30:02 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Turkish delight Message-ID: Howdy! >Unless we're talking finding some nice young thing and inaugurating a kind of extremely >dangerous Mile High Club of WW1.... You have all seen wing walking... Well you can imagine. But imagine the wind burn! And a little chilly. Hey Tom! Now there's a movie you can write a script to! Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:41:31 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Excesses (was Re: the LegalBeagle Net) Message-ID: You mean, you don't have that many decals already (like some of us do)? ;-) But with me, it's all in the basement. Paul >>Hey, we could start a decal modelling list; in addition to having 800 kits in the attic that you're never going to build, you could have a dozen filing cabinet drawers full of decals to go with them! Michael<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:52:22 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:22:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Witold Kozakiewicz writes: > > > Otisgood@aol.com : > > > > What's the address for the Great Modles website? I did an AOL search and came up with nothing. Thanks. I did notice the Eduard DII listed in a model mags (SAMI?) list of future releases. They'll be hard pressed to beat our friends at Passchandaele. > Otis > Try http://www.greatmodels.com > or direct to Eduard Albatros section > http://www.greatmodels.com/cgi/search.cgi?terms=Eduard_+Aircraft_Model&category=Eduard_+Aircraft_Model&boolean=AND&next=60 > HTH > Looks like some day we could do all types of your favorite plane and all > from Eduard. I wonder when they release Oeffag 53,153 and 253 series. > Regards. > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz It's almost too much to take! Those look to be some beautiful kits. Also the Nieuport Bebes (Matt B is really missing out by not building 1/48th). I also read somewhere that they are planning a Roland D VI. Can't wait for that. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:55:40 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAMI Message-ID: <7f.33a98f6.2630746c@aol.com> In a message dated Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:27:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Harris, Mack" writes: > Any good places to order SAMI online? > Mack I just ordered it online from www.GreatModels.com Otis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:06:32 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <200004201508.LAA05213@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:58:11 -0400 (EDT), Otisgood@aol.com wrote: > It's almost too much to take! Those look to be some beautiful kits. Also the Nieuport Bebes (Matt B is really missing out by not building 1/48th). I also read somewhere that they are planning a Roland D VI. Can't wait for that. Ah, but with the "scaling down" some of their Balloon efforts, I'm not missing out. Until an Eduard Nie.11 (or any other Nieuport) comes out, I'll keep cutting up the Toko and Revell efforts. ;-) Plus, "we" have had a Roland D.VI for years... :-P Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:12:00 -0800 From: "Matt Bailey" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WWI Gunships? Message-ID: I was in the RMS newsgroup archives and I came across the following references: Gotha East Experimenta (VGO.II) Neuber Cannon R-plane Project Apparently, both of these aircraft had guns that were mounted to fire straight down. (The Gotha carrying a 130mm gun.) Does anyone know of any references to these planes? Also were there any other gunships, such as these, that may have been used or experimented with in WWI? TIA for satisfying my curiosity. Matt Bailey --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:45:30 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <11.2c92bd0.2630801a@aol.com> In a message dated Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:07:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Matt Bittner" writes: > On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:58:11 -0400 (EDT), Otisgood@aol.com wrote: > > > It's almost too much to take! Those look to be some beautiful kits. Also the Nieuport Bebes (Matt B is really missing out by not building 1/48th). I also read somewhere that they are planning a Roland D VI. Can't wait for that. > > Ah, but with the "scaling down" some of their Balloon efforts, I'm not > missing out. Until an Eduard Nie.11 (or any other Nieuport) comes out, > I'll keep cutting up the Toko and Revell efforts. ;-) > > Plus, "we" have had a Roland D.VI for years... :-P > > Touche!! How 'bout letting us see your Roland D VI? (BTW beautiful job on that Strutter, and good photos, too.) > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:30:54 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Garber visit with Bob pearson Message-ID: <00aa01bfaae6$230392e0$b686aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I have been to Garber too - the TRUE MECCA for the airplane freak! DB -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: Garber visit with Bob pearson >I thought I would provide a note on what is becoming known as the "Bob and >Dave Road Show". As you know, our two intrepids are staying with Reverend >Sharon in Fairfax, Va. Yesterday, I met up with Bob at the NASM. >Unfortunately, Sharon was unable to attend due to work, and Dave Zulis was >touring the Chesapeake Bay area. Ted Hamaday and Bob are working on a joint >project, and Ted kindly drove us down to the Garber Facility in Silver Hill, >MD. While Ted was engaged in his research activities, Bob and I took a >veritably Homeric four-and-a-half-hour tour of Garber, after which I felt >totally fried! Our tour guide was a great bloke, and although he tended to >linger a little longer than some would have liked, we visited five buildings >(a near record, I understand), and given we are unlikely to return in the >near future, I was glad of it. I shot over 100 pictures and I cannot >remember the names of most of the aeroplanes I saw. One thing was this >large Caudron bomber with the three vertical tail pieces. It was very dusty >and the fabric was a bit torn, however, considering its age, it was in >decent shape. Yes, Matt, those roundels are powder blue, but who knows >whether that's due to aging or whatever. We also got to see the >almost-constructed Nieuport 28; they were just putting the finishes touches >to it; actually, this can be viewed on a web cam at the Garber web site. > >After Garber, Ted drove us back to the NASM. Sharon was still at work, so >we walked around NASM for a bit, talked, and then I left. In general, a >most enjoyable, if tiring day, and it was a great pleasure to meet Bob. > >Michael >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:02:35 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <200004201704.NAA05617@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:49:32 -0400 (EDT), Otisgood@aol.com wrote: > Touche!! How 'bout letting us see your Roland D VI? (BTW beautiful job on that Strutter, and good photos, too.) Thanks for the kudos, but the D.VI hasn't even been thought of yet. Sometime down the road? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:59:26 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: rms Message-ID: <001701bfaae9$cacd0940$b686aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hi guys, Can any of you put me in touch with rms? None of the digging that I have done has been successfuul. TIA DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:17:18 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <39.3fca890.2630959e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/00 9:00:17 AM EST, Otisgood@aol.com writes: << They'll be hard pressed to beat our friends at Passchandaele. >> On the topic of quality, Otis, you will undoubtedly be right. On the issue of marketing and ability to get it all out there everywhere, they have Cyg cold. Too bad he didn't do a deal with them to sell his stuff to them with a royalty on sales (or perhaps he did and hasn't said, which would demonstrate both he and they are smart fellows, which we all know already). Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2274 ********************** --------------710B182B796EB577350ED015--