WWI Digest 2273 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Photo-etch (revisited) by "Lance Krieg" 2) Re: Turkish delight by Sharon Henderson 3) Re: 1/48 rigging by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 4) Re: 72? by "Matt Bittner" 5) Re: Upcoming from Osprey by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 6) Re: Weary Pensacola Travellers.... by Sharon Henderson 7) Re Junkers J.1 by "Sandy Adam" 8) Re: sanke cards by "Francisca e Pedro" 9) Re: 72? by smperry@mindspring.com 10) Jasta 4 by "Dale Beamish" 11) Re: 72? by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 12) Re: 72? by "Dale Beamish" 13) Re: Upcoming from Osprey by "Francisca e Pedro" 14) Re: 72? by "Michael Kendix" 15) Turkish delight, the final verdict by "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" 16) RE: 72? by Shane Weier 17) Re: Turkish delight by "David Calhoun" 18) New on-topic armor book by "Matthew Bittner" 19) Re: Turkish delight by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: the LegalBeagle Net by REwing@aol.com 21) Help by "Roger Belanger" 22) Re: Help by smperry@mindspring.com 23) RE: Help by Shane Weier 24) RE: Help by Shane Weier 25) Re: Help by Ernest Thomas 26) Re: Help by Ernest Thomas 27) Still Serving Time In Purgatory by Albatrosdv@aol.com 28) Eduard Albatros by "Limon3" 29) Osprey Albatros Aces by Shane Weier 30) Re: Osprey Albatros Aces by "Dale Beamish" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:23:36 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Photo-etch (revisited) Message-ID: Al wonders: "I want to do in photo-etch. I want to use brass a little thicker than the stuff we normally." I have had excellent service from Fotocut in Erieville, NY - these being the people that did Harry Woodman's original stuff in the '70s. Fred Hultberg, the owner, puts out a booklet that describes the process and the art he requires to get started. The address I have is: Fotocut Box 120 Erieville, NY 13061 You might see if he has developed a web site. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:26:47 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Turkish delight Message-ID: E the Heretic wrote: >After giving the Halberstadt Fighters book a few good long squizzies, Aren't details of your private life considered off-topic, E dear? :-) Sharon, Who prefers Albatri herself ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:23:42 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 rigging Message-ID: Howdy! >> Hey! This made me think of a question. What kind of string do they use on >> violins? They are smaller instruments so it stands to reason that the >> strings would be thinner. >Not at all. Violin strings are big thick suckers compared to steel guitar >strings. >And don't even think about cellos unless you're building 1/1. There I go thinking again. It always gets me in trouble! Later! Brent -------------- A mind is a terrible thing to taste... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:27:41 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 72? Message-ID: <200004191529.LAA29689@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:25:04 -0400 (EDT), Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com wrote: > Get the Ilya from ICM. It's cheap at around $10 and it will teach you more > than one of those puny Albatri. Where's yours, Brent? Slacker... :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:25:49 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Upcoming from Osprey Message-ID: Howdy! ><< Still this is a book worth shedding shekels for. >> >It's *really* good for those looking for cool Albatri without natural wood fuselages and lozenge wings! :-) >I'm caught between Robert Greim's pretty one or Beaulieu-Marconnay's Jasta 15 >bird. I forget whose ride it is, but I really like the green and white striped one. I'm tempted to start another one (in 48th btw). Help! Stop me before I build again! Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:34:42 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Weary Pensacola Travellers.... Message-ID: Hi RK! > Bob "Legs" Pearson and Dave Zulis got here a couple hours ago. We're > touring the Garber restoration facility >> > >I hate you all.......... >RK Well, don't hate us too much. :-) Dave is actually off chasing down used bookstores; Bob is at Garber with Ted H. and Michael Kendix, while I got called into work because the Boss is testifying tomorrow before Congress on Internet legal issues -- and I get to do the prep. :-( Plus, my basement flooded on Monday night.... Wheee! But the books are safe. Sharon, Grumpy at work :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:59:55 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Re Junkers J.1 Message-ID: <002601bfaa18$89bc0180$3ce8b094@sandyada> >Gads, too late!! Barry sold all of the 1/48 Lonestar Junkers J.1 kits >yesterday. If anyone has one of these kits, I will trade the following for >it: ...... How do you think I feel? I'd asked Barry to try to get me one from Lone Star last year but Mike said they were out of production. Then I get the digest and find they've been offered and taken before I could even send a reply! Hmmmph. Not to rain on your parade, Dave, but I'd offer either the Harleyford Bombers, Fighters or Marine book for one of these kits if anybody is tempted? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:10:04 +0100 From: "Francisca e Pedro" To: Subject: Re: sanke cards Message-ID: <000001bfaa21$00f71a20$5abb41c2@pc1> > Thanks Pedro, > > You'll have to forgive my ignorance, I didn't know what a Sanke card was > until you posted. Found a stack of nice ones on Ebay. Andrew, No problem at all. I've learned what Sanke cards were here on The List too. That's why it is so goooooood!!! Um abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:13:33 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: 72? Message-ID: <002101bfaa22$9879eac0$170d56d1@default> > > Get the Ilya from ICM. It's cheap at around $10 and it will teach you more > > than one of those puny Albatri. > > Where's yours, Brent? Slacker... BWAHAHAhaha sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:30:40 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Jasta 4 Message-ID: <006001bfaa25$269b7f60$8e2bb8a1@darcy> Has anyone built a late war Jasta 4 Fok. DVII with four color lozenge and the black/white longeron markings? If so what did you use? Decal film? Can anyone describe another Fok. DVII that had these markings? I have Meyer's and Udet's so far. There is another pictured in the Datafile " RIchthofen's Flying Circus" but I am looking for a clearer pic of someone else. TIA Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:04:43 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 72? Message-ID: Hey! >> Get the Ilya from ICM. It's cheap at around $10 and it will teach you more >> than one of those puny Albatri. >Where's yours, Brent? Slacker... :-) Just for that, you can get your OTF's back from Ebay instead of Hustad! I'll have you know I'm not working on *two* Ilya kits! Both are languishing in the bottom drawer. Furthermore I haven't started the 1/48 Ilya scratchbuild either (I have to figure out how to make decent wings complete with washout). When it comes to slacking, I'm no slouch! Seriously, I did learn a bunch from the first Ilya. I learned so much I had to scrap most of it and start another. It is near the workbench and I am going pounce on it again someday soon. Just as soon as the three Halberstadts are done and the DH-2 and the Phalz D-III, and the Breguet, oh yeah! and the ot TB-3 and B-29 and the... Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:04:17 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: 72? Message-ID: <001201bfaa42$f5935460$fe2cb8a1@darcy> Gee Guys, I don't think that's the kit for me after all ... LOL Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 19 April, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: Re: 72? > > > > Hey! > > >> Get the Ilya from ICM. It's cheap at around $10 and it will teach you > more > >> than one of those puny Albatri. > > >Where's yours, Brent? Slacker... :-) > > Just for that, you can get your OTF's back from Ebay instead of Hustad! > > I'll have you know I'm not working on *two* Ilya kits! Both are languishing > in the bottom drawer. Furthermore I haven't started the 1/48 Ilya > scratchbuild either (I have to figure out how to make decent wings complete > with washout). When it comes to slacking, I'm no slouch! > > Seriously, I did learn a bunch from the first Ilya. I learned so much I had > to scrap most of it and start another. It is near the workbench and I am > going pounce on it again someday soon. Just as soon as the three > Halberstadts are done and the DH-2 and the Phalz D-III, and the Breguet, oh > yeah! and the ot TB-3 and B-29 and the... > > Later! > > Brent > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:50:42 +0100 From: "Francisca e Pedro" To: Subject: Re: Upcoming from Osprey Message-ID: <000101bfaa46$d7c1d3e0$78ea41c2@pc1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Upcoming from Osprey > > > > Howdy! > > ><< Still this is a book worth shedding shekels for. >> > The Albatross book mentions more than once an upcoming DR1 book on the same series. So, at least we'll have the tross, the Nieuport, the Spad, and both tripes..... Something has got to be happening with regard to ww1 interest. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:39:23 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 72? Message-ID: <20000419233923.74787.qmail@hotmail.com> Dale: I would recommend either of the Flashback Strutters (2 or single seaters) or the Revell Fokker D.VII. Michael >From: "Dale Beamish" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: 72? >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:43:26 -0400 (EDT) > >O.K. IF I was going to try a 72 scale kit which would you recommend? And no >Matt, no five color to start ... >Dale > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:38:25 +0300 From: "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" To: Subject: Turkish delight, the final verdict Message-ID: <012701bfaa58$5caabac0$770d8ec3@yilmazer> Dear Ernest and Steve, and any interested list members, Only Halberstadt D.Vs saw service with the Ottoman aviation units. From my research at the local archives, I have not came upon any mention of D.IIIs being delivered. My sources would indicate 31 D.Vs delivered directly to Ottoman Army and 2 D.Vs taken over from the German Fliegerabteilung operating at the Palestine Front. I would greatly appreciate if someone (Ernest ?, Steve ?) could post me a copy of the pages regarding Ottoman D.V information from the Datafile book. Thanks and best wishes to all, Bulent Yilmazer Ankara - TURKEY yilmazer@tr-net.net.tr -----Özgün İleti----- Kimden: Ernest Thomas Kime: Multiple recipients of list Tarih: 19 Nisan 2000 Çarşamba 14:04 Konu: Re: Turkish delight > > >smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > >> You did get my datafile...I hope ;-) > >I did get your datafile(remember, you put it in my hand), and I've read all >the text, but not all the photo captions. Unless I missed it, I didn't see >where it said no D-III's made it to Turkey. There is that table listing all >the D-V's in Ottoman service, but afaics, that only tells us what D-V's went >there. Doesn't mean that NO D-III's went there. >Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:26:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: 72? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F3C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dale, > O.K. IF I was going to try a 72 scale kit which would you > recommend? And no > Matt, no five color to start ... Eduard D.V hands down. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:11:37 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Turkish delight Message-ID: <000801bfaa76$25afbc00$afe23ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Ernest, I was recently reading "German knights of the Air 1914-1918" by Treadwell & Wood. There was a chapter on Hans-Joachim Buddecke which says the following: "At the end of December Buddecke was posted to Gallipoli with Ottoman FA 6 flying Halberstadt D.IIs, D.Vs, and Fokker E.IIIs" Proof that the D.V was not the only Halberstadt used by the Turks, but no mention is made of the D.III. Anyone have any more info on what Ottoman FA 6 was? Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 5:02 AM Subject: Re: Turkish delight > > >smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > >> You did get my datafile...I hope ;-) > >I did get your datafile(remember, you put it in my hand), and I've read all >the text, but not all the photo captions. Unless I missed it, I didn't see >where it said no D-III's made it to Turkey. There is that table listing all >the D-V's in Ottoman service, but afaics, that only tells us what D-V's went >there. Doesn't mean that NO D-III's went there. >Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. >E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:24:37 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New on-topic armor book Message-ID: <200004200027.RAA12666@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> I just received the book "Armored Cars in Russian Army 1906-1917". This is an excellent reference book!! The only disadvantage is it's entirely in Cyrillic. However, the photo quality is better than some US books I have seen. There are 1/35th drawings (okay, maybe the book isn't *that* great ;-) and color plates not only of the cars themselves, but also uniforms of the people. Highly recommended! Depending on where you get it, it's anywhere from about US$15-$20 Now to purchase the three Modelkrak models... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:53:06 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Turkish delight Message-ID: <38FE54F1.6A666037@bellsouth.net> The sauce thickens...... So I guess the logical questions to ask would be; 1) How complete is the local archive that Bulent went searching through? . 2) Can Treadwell and Wood be trusted? What were their sources? and...... 3) if my personal life involves Halberstadts, wouldn't that make it very OT, Sharon dear? E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:01:41 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: the LegalBeagle Net Message-ID: << For all the old-timers on the List, > > "Remember Jasta-gate." > > 'Nuff said. > > Fernando Lamas >> Glen Merrill (sp?) was at Pensacola and he is still smarting over Jastgate. He made a comment to one list member that the group was a very small part of his business. Though a very large amount of decals were sold to those with buttons on, I got the impression he could care less if any of us bought anything from him again. He also mentioned that he does lurk and reads many of the posts. He knew Bill Bacon quite well just from his e-mails about French colors. FWIW. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:06:25 -0400 From: "Roger Belanger" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Help Message-ID: <000501bfaa6d$0c5de320$84a24d0c@rogerb1> I am new to the level of detail that the guys on the list are showing and there is a question the I need an answer to. I am building a Sopwith Strutter Do I show the ailerons level and the Elevator dipped down? or how are the control surfaces shown?? I will appreciate your help so I can become as good as most of the guys on the WW1 model page are, I have a long way to go too......Roger B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:40:11 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <007401bfaa71$c070af60$100d56d1@default> Roger: Barring control locks of some sort, gravity will droop the elevator to most of it's downward deflection. Ailerons & rudder either even or only silghtly deflected seemed to be the consensus. HTH sp > I am new to the level of detail that the guys on the list are showing and > there is a question the I need an answer to. I am building a Sopwith > Strutter Do I show the ailerons level and the Elevator dipped down? or how > are the control surfaces shown?? I will appreciate your help so I can become > as good as most of the guys on the WW1 model page are, I have a long way to > go too......Roger B > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:47:11 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Help Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F3E@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Roger, > I am new to the level of detail that the guys on the list are > showing and > there is a question the I need an answer to. I am building a Sopwith > Strutter Do I show the ailerons level and the Elevator dipped > down? or how > are the control surfaces shown?? The best bet is to look at a number of photos so....(opens datafile 80 which just arrived on my desk 20 minutes ago, the other datafile is at home and may be a bit different) *Most* of the strutters shown have the elevator drooped - this is no surprise since unless you tie the stick back they'll almost always droop. There are a very few with elevator up and a few with them centred so you do have the option. Many of the aircraft have the ailerons offset - and something I think is unusual - quite a lot of them are *way* offset. This even includes aircraft in what seem to be carefully posed squadron lineups where I (ex-army) would have expected everything to be centred and tied down Bottom line - do it how you want, but the aircraft is usually seen with the elevator down while the ailerons can be any which way. Rudders seem to *mostly* be on or near centred. HTH Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:49:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Help Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F3F@mimhexch.mim.com.au> SP says: > Ailerons & rudder either even or > only silghtly > deflected seemed to be the consensus. Now *I* would have said *exactly* that myself except for foolishly looking at the pics. I wonder what's different about the LCT? Maybe it was harder than usual to exit without pushing the stick across or something? Another mystery ! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:59:23 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <38FE728B.8390569B@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > Barring control locks of some sort, gravity will droop the elevator to most > of it's downward deflection. Ailerons & rudder either even or only silghtly > deflected seemed to be the consensus. xerox. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:12:06 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <38FE7586.1B69CC57@bellsouth.net> Roger Belanger wrote: > I am new to the level of detail... While we're here, lemme offer another tip. Don't completely detatch the control surfaces. It just makes things easier. Scribe any seams that cross the hinge, such as on ailerons, from both sides all the way through, but only lightly scribe the length of the hinge. I usually scribe the hinges only on the underside, just in case I get a bit ham-fisted. Very carefully pose the rudder, or whatever, and reinforce with either ca or cement if you think it really needs it. This will not work if you're going for full scale deflection. Only works, with subtle deflections. Hth. Dicta Ira E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:18:33 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Still Serving Time In Purgatory Message-ID: <5b.4b77657.262fd109@aol.com> Hi, all: Just when I thought all was well, had to re-load AOL4 and managed *once again* (my own fault this time, not theirs) to wipe out the address book. While it's not as bad this time as it was (thanks to those joke lists filed in the computer separately) I gotta ask again for Lubos' e-mail and URL for VAMP. From now on, e-mail with information is going to be put in the new "e-mail" folder away from the server. Even idiots finally figure it out. :-) TIA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:07:42 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <000101bfaa7d$fa6f5f20$bebf113f@f4w2s5> I was just browsing through the Great Models Webstore, and saw a future release from Eduard, actually 2. They are Albatros DII and Profipack versions. The boxart on the first is the early DII with a white stylized bird on the fuselage behind the pilot, the Profipack boxart shows a skull & crossbones on a red square field. Anyone on the list know when these are scheduled to appear? Barry? Sitting here drooling.......Gabe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:23:34 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Osprey Albatros Aces Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1F41@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Hi all, Have mine at hand and very interesting it is. Interesting to see that with the single exception of Josef Mais machine all the Albatros cowls are in light grey unless otherwise overpainted. A minor detail, but I understood them to be either grey or greyish green *and* the only two surviving Albatrosse both have the greyish green applied (in both cases following careful study of the existing paint to determine the original colour). I wonder if Matt could get GvW to comment on the relative frequency of each finish. Also whilst on Mai (and his is the *ONLY* one I've looked at so far ) Norman Franks says that Mai was awarded the Pour le Merite. Now I may be wrong, but I recall reading translations of letters from Mai asking German authorities to award him the PlM he felt entitled to on the basis of the number of victories scored - but which was *never* awarded because of the Kaisers abdication and the cessation of all Imperial awards. Again, unless I'm right barmy, this is detailed in some well regarded and recent books/articles and seems an odd mistake Just a nit pick - unless I'm thinking of someone else. Shane (my sources IIRC were OtF and the Prussian volume of the series on Aviation Awards and the Airmen etc.) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:31:17 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Osprey Albatros Aces Message-ID: <003401bfaa81$47225a40$3934b8a1@darcy> According to "Above The Lines" Frank,Bailey and Guest he did not receive the Blue Max because of the collapse. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 19 April, 2000 10:26 PM Subject: Osprey Albatros Aces > Hi all, > > Have mine at hand and very interesting it is. > > Interesting to see that with the single exception of Josef Mais machine all > the Albatros cowls are in light grey unless otherwise overpainted. A minor > detail, but I understood them to be either grey or greyish green *and* the > only two surviving Albatrosse both have the greyish green applied (in both > cases following careful study of the existing paint to determine the > original colour). > > I wonder if Matt could get GvW to comment on the relative frequency of each > finish. > > Also whilst on Mai (and his is the *ONLY* one I've looked at so far ) > Norman Franks says that Mai was awarded the Pour le Merite. Now I may be > wrong, but I recall reading translations of letters from Mai asking German > authorities to award him the PlM he felt entitled to on the basis of the > number of victories scored - but which was *never* awarded because of the > Kaisers abdication and the cessation of all Imperial awards. Again, unless > I'm right barmy, this is detailed in some well regarded and recent > books/articles and seems an odd mistake > > Just a nit pick - unless I'm thinking of someone else. > > Shane > > (my sources IIRC were OtF and the Prussian volume of the series on Aviation > Awards and the Airmen etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. 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