WWI Digest 2267 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Goodbye; was, Champlin Fighter Museum by "DAVID BURKE" 2) Roll Models Report by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: Roll Models Report by Allan Wright 4) Re: Roll Models Report by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: Announcing the RK-Tom Prize for... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: Roll Models Report by Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com 7) Re: Announcing the RK-Tom Prize for... by Mark Miller 8) Re: Goodbye; was, Champlin Fighter Museum by Albatrosdv@aol.com 9) Re: Roll Models Report by Otisgood@aol.com 10) Re: Roll Models Report by "DAVID BURKE" 11) Re: Roll Models Report by Allan Wright 12) Thanks, but..., was, Re: Little Fokkerss!! by "Lance Krieg" 13) Champlin Photos from Otis by Allan Wright 14) Re: Jane's WWI book by GRBroman@aol.com 15) Champlin photos by Allan Wright 16) Paint Remover Comparison Article by "Matt Bailey" 17) Re: Goodbye; was, Champlin Fighter Museum by GRBroman@aol.com 18) Re: Announcing the RK-Tom Prize for... by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 19) Re: Champlin photos by "cameron rile" 20) Color Schemes by "Dale Beamish" 21) Apologies by "Dale Beamish" 22) Hasagawa? by "Dale Beamish" 23) Re: Jane's WWI book by KarrArt@aol.com 24) LoneStar Sale-Rosemont by BStett3770@aol.com 25) Re: Color Schemes by Sharon Henderson 26) Re: Color Schemes by "Dale Beamish" 27) HELP - need AeroMaster Pfalz D III decals by Jim Matthiessen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:09:14 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Goodbye; was, Champlin Fighter Museum Message-ID: <004101bfa899$55496800$1089aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I swore to myself and others that I was going to stay out of this fray, but sores have been opened, and needless ones at that. >> It is a fact among those who restore old airplanes that when you see some >> airplane done totally godawful, and you speak to the owner about it, his >> defense of his action will invariably end with, "besides, it's mine and I >> own it." I doubt the owner of a Picasso would justify putting mustaches >> on the painting in such a way. Old airplanes are worthy of similar >> respect and those who think their money buys them the right to do as they >> please with anything they please - particularly when it's an airplane - >> are not now or ever going to evade my displeasure; and I can assure anyone >> who is in doubt that there are numerous rich Southern California Democrats >> who have heard from me similarly. If the Lord General was one of those so >> be it, but I doubt it from what I knew of him. If he chooses to join them >> that's his business. > I like to see an accurate restoration as well. It is my intended field of study and occupation. I am one of those who points out any inconsistency that I see, and am pleased that I have learned enough to do so, and am happy to be educated when I find that I am wrong on a point. However, to immediately get incensed because somebody wants to paint happy faces and peace symbol on an aircraft that HE owns, has paid for, and spends to maintain and do with whatever that person chooses to do with HIS PERSONAL PROPERTY, that's none of my concern - nor do I feel like I can draw conclusions about political affiliation. As to drawing moustaches on Van Gogh's and Picassos - hey, if you bought it, I could care less if you want to add propeller beanies and paint in the Monkees in the background. You paid for it, you bought it, and that's America. I have little doubt that TC was being his usual curmudgeonly self, and I missed the apparent insult. However, being of a 'thick hide' (and I also hope, a 'large brain'), I tend to pass on such stuff as though it were dispepsia caused by poorly-cooked beef. It troubles me that such banter and diatribe would cause someone to get fed up, and leave. As I have personally learned, it is possible to wedge the tongue far enough into the cheek to cause a difficulty in speech - enough so that the recipient has difficulty in understanding the point. At times, I am coherent enough to self-edit my postings, and delete things that might tick folks off. Decorum sometimes kills a good joke, a stinging witticism, or anecdote, but the penalty for not observing this decorum can result in offense, and the loss of valuable colleagues. We are all here, despite our nationalities, our heritage, our beliefs and political leanings as students of the early portion of aviation history. This is our common bond, and it is a shame that we can shout out so thoroughly this common interest, and ruin it. I am sorry that Mr. Suvaroff was injured by what went on here. I have had none but help and kind words from him. I am sorry that the waters have been muddied so by what has occurred. I am sorry that TC's sarcasm was taken as an offense, as he has also been helpful to me as well, and although I disagree with him on quite a few things, he has never been afraid to give me his honest opinion on things, and that is a valuable commodity in and of itself. We all have to have a sense of how things will play out: I have on numerous occasions (usually after I've had a few lagers) dreaded having sent a posting that was of questionable content - and I dread opening the mailbox the next day and see if my big mouth has ticked someone off. The damage is done. Now is the time to reflect and see if we can get this site back on track. Save the scathing rhetoric for the really bad kits that we are over-charged for, and let all sleeping political dogs lie in the barn. My meager two bits worth, DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:18:27 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Roll Models Report Message-ID: <004201bfa899$5a21f220$1089aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hi All, I try to be a man of my word, and with my latest order from Roll Models, I told them that I was a member here, and would let everyone know how it all went down. I am one of apparently many who have had poor business from them in the past. However, as they were the only people that I could find that stocked certain items in which I was interested, I was forced to go back to them. I am VERY pleased to report that I ordered this stuff about 2 weeks ago, and today it was in my mailbox. Everything that I ordered is here. I may now say, with great pleasure, that if this is the way that they now conduct business, I shall use them again in the future, and I applaud the overwhelming improvement in their service. Congratulations, Mr. Roll, you've won me back. DB P.S. - did I mention that I reccommend them to everyone else? I definitely do - theirs is the biggest catalog of stuff in the U.S. Lots of hard-to-find stuff and fiddly bits! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roll Models Report Message-ID: <200004171834.OAA16354@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I wasn't aware anyone had trouble with them. They have given me good service the couple of times I have ordered from them. -Al > > Hi All, > > I try to be a man of my word, and with my latest order from Roll Models, > I told them that I was a member here, and would let everyone know how it all > went down. > > I am one of apparently many who have had poor business from them in the > past. However, as they were the only people that I could find that stocked > certain items in which I was interested, I was forced to go back to them. > > I am VERY pleased to report that I ordered this stuff about 2 weeks ago, > and today it was in my mailbox. Everything that I ordered is here. I may > now say, with great pleasure, that if this is the way that they now conduct > business, I shall use them again in the future, and I applaud the > overwhelming improvement in their service. > > Congratulations, Mr. Roll, you've won me back. > > DB > > P.S. - did I mention that I reccommend them to everyone else? I definitely > do - theirs is the biggest catalog of stuff in the U.S. Lots of > hard-to-find stuff and fiddly bits! > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:30:35 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Roll Models Report Message-ID: <000c01bfa89b$06e79220$3197aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Yup - Several times I have ordered from them with no way of getting in touch with them, and having to wait 6 weeks to get stuff. Others have told me the same. This is why I had avoided them, and why I am so happy that things worked out better this time. DB -----Original Message----- From: Allan Wright To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Roll Models Report >I wasn't aware anyone had trouble with them. They have given me good >service the couple of times I have ordered from them. > >-Al > >> >> Hi All, >> >> I try to be a man of my word, and with my latest order from Roll Models, >> I told them that I was a member here, and would let everyone know how it all >> went down. >> >> I am one of apparently many who have had poor business from them in the >> past. However, as they were the only people that I could find that stocked >> certain items in which I was interested, I was forced to go back to them. >> >> I am VERY pleased to report that I ordered this stuff about 2 weeks ago, >> and today it was in my mailbox. Everything that I ordered is here. I may >> now say, with great pleasure, that if this is the way that they now conduct >> business, I shall use them again in the future, and I applaud the >> overwhelming improvement in their service. >> >> Congratulations, Mr. Roll, you've won me back. >> >> DB >> >> P.S. - did I mention that I reccommend them to everyone else? I definitely >> do - theirs is the biggest catalog of stuff in the U.S. Lots of >> hard-to-find stuff and fiddly bits! >> > > >=========================================================================== ==== >Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ >University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- >Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu >=========================================================================== ==== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:45:31 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Announcing the RK-Tom Prize for... Message-ID: In a message dated 4/17/00 11:37:50 AM EST, peter_leonard@hotmail.com writes: << :-3 Judy Judy Judy! >> The emoticon looks good to me at least for here on the list. Feedback?? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:52:29 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roll Models Report Message-ID: Greetings! >>Several times I have ordered from them with no way of getting in touch with them, and having to wait 6 weeks to get stuff. Others have told me the same. This is why I had avoided them, and why I am so happy that things worked out better this time.>> Roll Models is a special company. It is run out of the second floor of the Roll family home. John's wife runs it during the day with a helper or two. John works for Roll Models after he gets home from his day job. I know they try real hard to satisfy theur customers, but sometimes everything goes wrong. They don't keep too much in stock. Rather, they know where to get lots of stuff. This also helps them keep overhead down. Squadron they ain't. John's prices are worth the wait to me. I can usually find something to work on until my shipment arrives :) Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 2000 11:55:50 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Announcing the RK-Tom Prize for... Message-ID: <20000417185550.15780.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> On Mon, 17 April 2000, Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > Maybe someone ought to come up with an emoticon for "tongue in cheek" so > those who don't "get it" can. >> > Hi My Email software doesn't display emoticons (a new word in my vocabulary) instead I just get standard characters, and judging from the past couple of days it would probably be good to know when someone is "just kidding" So - am I doing something wrong or is this a case of you get what you pay for (it's free) Mark ____________________________________________________________________ For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:01:11 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Goodbye; was, Champlin Fighter Museum Message-ID: <2.2819161.262cb977@aol.com> In a message dated 4/17/00 12:27:31 PM EST, geoff-smith@cwcom.net writes: << storation/preservation of aircraft, but deplore the way you put them. If you were to apply your yardsticks to the movie industry, of which you are part, then surely the preservation of history should be of major importance. In making a historical film or one which contains historical events relevant to the storyline, shouldn't events therefore be accurate to the history? As we know this is very often not the case, in many cases the truth is so distorted as to be almost lies. >> I am seriously surprised people have not been able to hear my screams on this one without an internet! :-) As a matter of fact, and I might as well say here what I have said at other locations: do not go see "U-571" unless you're a member of Generation Y-bother who can't tell the difference between the Thirty Years War and the Vietnam War. I saw it at an advance screening: "MTV Rocks" meets WW2. I was waiting for the officers to put on their hats backward and for the enlisted men to cut off their dungarees and put on ear rings. Truly dreadful. Normally, when something manages to fight its way into production that's in a genre I write, I ask people to go "vote" with the only votes the dorks on the other side of the desk out here count: money. That way it was successful so maybe mine won't be laughed out of the room. Not here. This one thuckth. And hearing what I have about the new "Pearl Harbor" that went into production, where director Michael Bay (we writers call him "The Anti-Christ") is quoted as saying "this time we kick butt" --- I am surprised those on the east coast didn't hear my scream come through clearly. I do have a reputation for being "difficult," but as Henry Fonda once said: "They label you 'difficult' when you give a damn about what you do." So yes, I am consistent, and I am passionate about what I believe, and I have no problem getting in someone's face over those things. And this is the last on this off-topic post you'll hear from me. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:03:36 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roll Models Report Message-ID: <76.308c4b0.262cba08@aol.com> In a message dated Mon, 17 Apr 2000 2:32:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Allan Wright writes: > I wasn't aware anyone had trouble with them. They have given me good > service the couple of times I have ordered from them. > > -Al > I had trouble when I tried to order by email. Apparently John was very far behind and didn't get to it after 2 weeks so I called to check. After that, reasonably OK. In fact, he even switched out a defective part for me on an Aeroclub kit I bought from him. But, for the most part, I use Barry at Rosemont and Eric at Copper State. Both are first rate and nice guys to boot! Otis > > > > Hi All, > > > > I try to be a man of my word, and with my latest order from Roll Models, > > I told them that I was a member here, and would let everyone know how it all > > went down. > > > > I am one of apparently many who have had poor business from them in the > > past. However, as they were the only people that I could find that stocked > > certain items in which I was interested, I was forced to go back to them. > > > > I am VERY pleased to report that I ordered this stuff about 2 weeks ago, > > and today it was in my mailbox. Everything that I ordered is here. I may > > now say, with great pleasure, that if this is the way that they now conduct > > business, I shall use them again in the future, and I applaud the > > overwhelming improvement in their service. > > > > Congratulations, Mr. Roll, you've won me back. > > > > DB > > > > P.S. - did I mention that I reccommend them to everyone else? I definitely > > do - theirs is the biggest catalog of stuff in the U.S. Lots of > > hard-to-find stuff and fiddly bits! > > > > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:08:21 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Roll Models Report Message-ID: <001901bfa8a0$735d6ec0$3197aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Well Brent, If that's the case, they still have satisfied me, and I'm glad to do more business with them all the same - I wish I would have known all of this way back when... DB -----Original Message----- From: Brent_A_Theobald@notes.seagate.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Roll Models Report > > > >Greetings! > >>>Several times I have ordered from them with no way of getting in touch >with them, and having to wait 6 weeks to get stuff. Others have told me >the >same. This is why I had avoided them, and why I am so happy that things >worked out better this time.>> > >Roll Models is a special company. It is run out of the second floor of the >Roll family home. John's wife runs it during the day with a helper or two. >John works for Roll Models after he gets home from his day job. I know they >try real hard to satisfy theur customers, but sometimes everything goes >wrong. > >They don't keep too much in stock. Rather, they know where to get lots of >stuff. This also helps them keep overhead down. Squadron they ain't. John's >prices are worth the wait to me. I can usually find something to work on >until my shipment arrives :) > >Later! > >Brent > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roll Models Report Message-ID: <200004171923.PAA16999@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I had trouble when I tried to order by email. Apparently John was very far behind and didn't get to it after 2 weeks so I called to check. After that, reasonably OK. In fact, he even switched out a defective part for me on an Aeroclub kit I bought from him. But, for the most part, I use Barry at Rosemont and Eric at Copper State. Both are first rate and nice guys to boot! Ahhh - I've always called. As for Rosemont I agree, Barry is top notch. I've never ordered from Copper State. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:38:13 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Thanks, but..., was, Re: Little Fokkerss!! Message-ID: Stef is at sixes and sevens over early Fokker empennages: "...The vertical member, however, remains a puzzle." I will check this tonight but recall that the rudder attachment, having no vertical kingpost, is clipped to the fuselage above the elevators as well as at the base of the tailskid pylon. Does my ASCII art help?: | --------\== --------/ | \ | | \ |=== \ | | The "=" are the hinges in which the base of the rudder turns: one on the fuselage, and one on the tailskid pylon. Wondering if I just confused you a little more... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:44:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Champlin Photos from Otis Message-ID: <200004171944.PAA17342@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all, While the thread is hot, Otis sent me some more photos. They are here: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Goodin/photos/ No paget yet, but wanted to get them somewhere while the discussion was going on. gifs are thumbnails, jpeg full size. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:40:44 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jane's WWI book Message-ID: <67.310ea7f.262cc2bc@aol.com> Janes is almost always on sale at US $9.99 at Borders books and Barnes and Noble. Also seen it at D. Dalton's and Waldens for the same price. I bought both books, on Warships and planes for under $20 at the Barnes and Noble in Edgewood maryland not too long ago. Barnes and Noble also has a web site. Might try that for a better price. Glen Glen In a message dated Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:39:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark Miller writes: > Hi > I got one as a present several years ago - > I must agree with Alberto - there's a lot of detail here but nothing is covered completely and considering the list price is 80$ (well thats what is listed on the inside jacket) you might be better off investing elswhere. I have gotten some use out of it however and I always enjoy looking through it - some of this stuff is pretty obscure > > Mark > > On Mon, 17 April 2000, "Alberto Casirati" wrote: > > > > > Yes, I have a copy. It is a big hard-cover book and although single models > > are rarely well covered in detail, there is a useful and interesting engine > > section at the end. Pictures printing is not very good and I rarely made use > > of it for modelling purposes. > > > > All the best, > > > > Alberto Casirati. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 4:45 PM > > Subject: Jane's WWI book > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > Saw the following listing on Ebay: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=309507271 > > > > > > It's a reprint of a 1919 Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI. How useful > > would > > > this be as a reference book? Does anyone out there have a copy, or has > > > anyone seen one? > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > Ken Zelnick > > > Amateur magician, so you can trust me > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com > > ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:47:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Champlin photos Message-ID: <200004171947.PAA17439@pease1.sr.unh.edu> The Champlin photos are available now on Otis' page.... -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:52:05 -0800 From: "Matt Bailey" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Paint Remover Comparison Article Message-ID: Hello Everyone! The following is an article that compares, in detail, the following products for use as a paint remover on plastic: Brake Fluid, Oven Cleaner, Hanger 3's Strip-A-Kit, Polly S's Easy Lift Off, and Castrol's Super Clean Degreaser. It also includes the safety hazzards associated with each. Although this article is geared towards the automotive modeler, it contains a lot of useful information. Thanks, Matt Bailey --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon Apr 17 15:53:20 2000 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Goodbye; was, Champlin Fighter Museum Message-ID: <200004171957.PAA17552@pease1.sr.unh.edu> "We are all here, despite our nationalities, our heritage, our beliefs and political leanings as students of the early portion of aviation history." And Military and sea....... Just a reminder that this is a WWI modeling list, not just aviation modeling. No offense taken and none intended, of course. I just hope we can lure a few more of you over to the true "dark side". No, not 1/72 scale, but Mark IV's, and Whippets and 4.7" and 5.9" guns and german battlecruisers, and English Dreadnoughts. In the famous words of Matt Bittner "Bwahahaha". Oh well, back to my Commanders Schneider. Hope it will be done for the Regional up at Matt's place. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 05:53:52 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Re: Announcing the RK-Tom Prize for... Message-ID: <38FB6BD0.270F9264@tac.com.au> > From: Al Superczynski > > On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:00:14 -0400 (EDT), Tom C. wrote: > > >...whoever comes up with a universally recognisable "tongue in cheek" ought > >to get a damn prize of some sort! > > How about this one? ;-î > > Al > http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral Hi Al, naw, much prefer ;-þ, or possibly ;-¶ or maybe, just maybe the universal smiley for all those tongue in cheek moments :-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:17:00 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Champlin photos Message-ID: >The Champlin photos are available now on Otis' page.... There are also Champlin photos at; http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/artattack/rhinebeck99.htm as well as some other WWI aircraft photos from Museums around the US. Notice in Otis's excellent photo's the flags flying for each service which flew operationally in the background. Except the Blue or Red Ensign of Australia for the AFC. The WWII hall has the Blue Ensign. Mentioned it to the bloke there that the Aussies got left out in their WWI hall if they ever want to put up another flag (or if I get around to buying one for them). Did the AFC/AIF fly/fight under the Blue(federal) or Red(civil) Ensign? Photos that have a flag with the pilots that I have seen are inconclusive as to red or blue. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:36:10 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Color Schemes Message-ID: <008201bfa8ad$06f08da0$642eb8a1@darcy> Can anyone steer me in the right direction or help with a good description or scan of the following: Julius Buckler: Jasta 17 looking for his Fok. DVIIs named Lily and Mops Gustav Dorr: Jasta 45 looking foFok DVII Sebastion Festner: Jasta 11 Alb. DIII Hermann Fromherz: Jasta 27 Fok DRI Heinrich Kroll: Jasta 24 either Alb. DV/Va or Fok. DVII Karl Schafer: Jasta 11 Alb. DIII and finally ... Eric Lowenhardt: Jasta 10 either Alb. DV/Va of preferably Fok. DVII TIA Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:12:51 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Apologies Message-ID: <008001bfa8ad$02180380$642eb8a1@darcy> I would like to take the time to apologize to anyone that has been waiting for things sent from me or waiting for a reply to an E-Mail. I have recently gone through a personal setback and will get things all sorted out directly. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:38:32 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Hasagawa? Message-ID: <008301bfa8ad$09546e40$642eb8a1@darcy> Does anyone know of a source for the 48 scale Hasagawa or DML Fok. DVII? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:46:25 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jane's WWI book Message-ID: <92.3a60210.262cd221@aol.com> In a message dated 4/17/00 12:43:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, GRBroman@aol.com writes: << Janes is almost always on sale at US $9.99 at Borders books and Barnes and Noble. Also seen it at D. Dalton's and Waldens for the same price. I bought both books, on Warships and planes for under $20 at the Barnes and Noble in Edgewood maryland not too long ago. Barnes and Noble also has a web site. Might try that for a better price. Glen Glen >> I looked at the e-bay deal and it says "reprint of 1919" janes....wellllllll...it ain't no such thing. The version offered is a kind of composite/edited Janes that was cobbled together in I guess around 1990 from different years of the war period. I see this thing all the time, I have one, and I've gotten use from it. It was worth the $9.98 I paid.....BUT- there WAS a true facsimile of the 1919 edition published in the late 60's, complete with all the ads. It also had more complete and detailed coverage of some planes such as the Gotha family, which was accompanied by several detail drawings. There ARE some things in the 1990 book that aren't in the true 1919 volume- some early and mid-war aircraft from the pre-1919 editions. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:50:34 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: LoneStar Sale-Rosemont Message-ID: <98.3e551ff.262cd31a@aol.com> Hi Gang One of my suppliers had a close out on the 1/48 LoneStar Kits So, I'll offer them to the list members first Have to following: 2 - #107 Junkers J-1 ( Vacform /with resin & Photo-etched & Decals- Reg $65.00 - sale $39.99 1 - #119 - Curtis N-9 H ( Vacform , Resin & Decals) Reg $33.00 -sale $21.99 E-mail me at : bstett3770@aol.com I'll be back online about 8pm EST- 1 to email me gets em Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:49:46 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Color Schemes Message-ID: Hi Dale, > Can anyone steer me in the right direction or help with a good > description or scan of the following: > Sebastion Festner: Jasta 11 Alb. DIII > Karl Schafer: Jasta 11 Alb. DIII Festner died before the end of Bloody April, 1917, so may not ever have gotten around to personalizing his aircraft as the others did; at least, Lothar vonR. doesn't list his color choice among the other Aces of that month and Unit. Schaefer, however, used black, I believe -- I'll double-check tonight and be certai. But he also had a white circle edged in black on the fuselage, aft of the cockpit by about a foot or so. He also had a rearview mirror on his plane. :-) I know I've seen a pic of it somewhere, and may have it in a book at home. Oh, for a scanner.... Cheers, Sharon Henderson Fairfax, VA Jasta 11 maven and highly stressed ordination candidate.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:02:21 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Color Schemes Message-ID: <00eb01bfa8b0$606b04c0$642eb8a1@darcy> Sharon Thanks for the reply. I've heard he used black. Do you know to what extent? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 17 April, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Color Schemes > Hi Dale, > > > Can anyone steer me in the right direction or help with a good > > description or scan of the following: > > Sebastion Festner: Jasta 11 Alb. DIII > > Karl Schafer: Jasta 11 Alb. DIII > > Festner died before the end of Bloody April, 1917, so may not ever > have gotten around to personalizing his aircraft as the others did; > at least, Lothar vonR. doesn't list his color choice among the other > Aces of that month and Unit. Schaefer, however, used black, I believe > -- I'll double-check tonight and be certai. But he also had a white > circle edged in black on the fuselage, aft of the cockpit by about > a foot or so. > > He also had a rearview mirror on his plane. :-) I know I've seen > a pic of it somewhere, and may have it in a book at home. Oh, for > a scanner.... > > Cheers, > Sharon Henderson > Fairfax, VA > Jasta 11 maven and highly stressed ordination candidate.... > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:10:31 -0400 From: Jim Matthiessen To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: HELP - need AeroMaster Pfalz D III decals Message-ID: <38FB7DC7.D703F43A@worldnet.att.net> Greeting, All. I am trying to help out a friend who does not have internet or web access. He is a long time, rabid WW I aviation fan. He models in 1/48 scale, while I have recently taken to buying 1/72 scale WW I subjects. (I have not had the nerve to actually start one yet. Just thinking of that rigging...1/72..<>..) I am looking for the 1/48 AeroMaster decal set for the Pfalz D IIIa. It is item number 48-148. I have contacted Squadron Mail Order, but they do not have this decal sheet in stock. If anyone has this sheet and is willing to part with it, or knows where I can locate it, please contact me at: j.matthiessen@worldnet.att.net Thank you in advance for your help. Jim Matthiessen ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2267 ********************** --------------9973DF5C147DAD257820B2D9--