WWI Digest 2245 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 1/72nd scale control horns by "Roger Belanger" 2) Re: new subsciber by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: New images by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: 1/72nd scale control horns by "Matthew Bittner" 5) Re: Wood Grain by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: new subsciber by Ernest Thomas 7) Re: New subscriber. by Ernest Thomas 8) Re: April Internet Modeler by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Review of "British WWI Aircraft in the Polish Air Force" by "Michael Kendix" 10) Re: there is hope..... by DavidL1217@aol.com 11) Re: NASM by DavidL1217@aol.com 12) Re: German WW1 Purple/Mauve by "Limon3" 13) Re: new subsciber(s) by Witold Kozakiewicz 14) Re: Eduard 1/48 Hanriot HD1 by "Alberto Casirati" 15) RE: new subsciber(s) by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 16) Re: new subsciber(s) by Witold Kozakiewicz 17) RE: new subsciber(s) by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 18) RE: More images by "dfernet0" 19) RE: new subsciber(s) by "dfernet0" 20) RE: New images by "dfernet0" 21) Waiting by smperry@mindspring.com 22) Re: new subsciber by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 23) Re: Spin SPAD A.2 - quick look by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 24) Re: Stereolithography--was New Images by Mark Shannon 25) Otis' Alb wood finish by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 26) Re: Otis' Alb wood finish - me too! by "Andrew Ronayne" 27) Warbirds Junkers D-I (Was: Waiting) by Allan Wright 28) RE: Warbirds Junkers D-I (Was: Waiting) by "Harris, Mack" 29) Re: NASM by "Michael Kendix" 30) RE: Warbirds Junkers D-I (Was: Waiting) by "Matthew Bittner" 31) Re: Problem with the basics by "Matt Bailey" 32) Re: NASM by Allan Wright 33) Fwd: Re: Wood technique on Alb D.V by Otisgood@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:53:13 -0400 From: "Roger Belanger" To: Subject: Re: 1/72nd scale control horns Message-ID: <00c801bf9f5a$e83abda0$73a24d0c@rogerb1> How do you attach the lines to the horns and what do you use for this....RLB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 10:04 PM Subject: Re: 1/72nd scale control horns > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:13:50 -0400 (EDT), Steve Cox wrote: > > > What would 1/72 scalers recommend for control horns. > > Aside from the already mentioned Tom's p/e, there's another way I > represent control horns. I first started it on the D.VII that was in > IM last Oct., and continue with the D.VI. > > I drill all the way through, and insert .020 Evergreen rod. Once the > glue is dried (liquid if it's plastic to plastic, CA if not) then I > sand the control horn to size. This works great not only for strength, > but it ensures your control horns line up. > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:21:36 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new subsciber Message-ID: <74.283ffd3.261d40a0@aol.com> In a message dated 4/5/00 1:15:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, albatros1212@altavista.com writes: << Hi My name is Mark Miller I live in Danbury CT I finally decided to get involved in this - it looks like fun - >> Welcome to this house of mirrors....or a 43 step program to wean one from reality! Robert Karr....RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:46:34 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <75.2d14bde.261d467a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/5/00 2:56:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, albatros1212@altavista.com writes: << > Sergey's rendering (as Mark Miller's) are showing a new turn of wheel in > modelling... maybe in the future there will be computer hardware capable to > carve volumes to make pieces for a model in the same way a printer can > produce artwork or decals. Think about it, we're on the 21st century after > all... > D. The technology does exist - it's called sterio lithography - I'm not sure of all the details but I believe the objects are somehow congealed out of a vat of some kind of liquid We've used it at work a couple of times to make prototypes and I had to prep some files for the process. >> I don't know if it's the same process, but I recently watched a TV show about excavating an ancient ship wreck, and one of the skulls of the long dead sailors was duplicated in resin for more study using a method that sounds quite like this. The real skull was 3-D scanned, some technician waved his magic hand, and out from a vat of goo, a perfect replica appeared. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:48:37 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 1/72nd scale control horns Message-ID: <200004060151.SAA13953@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:01:49 -0400 (EDT), Roger Belanger wrote: > How do you attach the lines to the horns and what do you use for this....RLB I rig with .005 stainless steel wire. I use the same material for the "lines", and attach either with CA or white glue. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:51:41 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wood Grain Message-ID: <77.2c372df.261d47ad@aol.com> In a message dated 4/5/00 6:59:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eatcrow2@yahoo.com writes: << Coming out of lurk mode to agree with Shane.. :-) I'm working with lumber everyday, and I think hes on the money with this... you have to think that even a pencil line in 1/48 if blown up to 1:1 would give you grain lines thicker then your forearm... variations in degrees of shading IMO is more realistic... also if they were using a high quality ply (marine grade), you would see even less of any grain... but like anything else, just another point of view.. :-) P. Crow >> I think it's another case of everybody actually agreeing once we started to see that it was more a problem of terminology. "Grain" is too loose a term for modeling purposes- "striations" and other words meaning slight color variations or banding work much better! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:18:20 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new subsciber Message-ID: <38EBF3EC.41531204@bellsouth.net> Mark Miller wrote: > Hi > My name is Mark Miller I live in Danbury CT > I finally decided to get involved in this Welcome to the house of fun. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:26:23 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New subscriber. Message-ID: <38EBF5CF.F6522A6E@bellsouth.net> Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > Welcome Dave, > > nice to know I'm not the only newbie here (I only signed up last week and > already I've had enough advice to make me go back and rip out the interior > on two kits to get it right (sob) And a big welcome to you too, Mark. Have I missed anyone else? Just in case, welcome to all new comers. This is the best place I've ever been that doesn't check ID's. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:35:26 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: April Internet Modeler Message-ID: In a message dated 4/5/00 7:21:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Shane (off to bed with a belly full of Brassoi and Bulls Blood - burp - and a mind full of list and modelling conversation. To all list members, I *highly* recommend taking the chance anytime it's offered to meet with another listee, they're fun) >> a good point to endorse this sentiment- so far every listee I've met has been a complete non-dud! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:06:56 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Review of "British WWI Aircraft in the Polish Air Force" Message-ID: <20000406040657.17368.qmail@hotmail.com> I came upon the following at tonight's Northern Virginia IPMS meeting (no competition ribbons for me tonight). "British WW I Aircraft in the Polish Air Force" by Tomasz J. Kopanski, 1999 Mushroom Model Publication. Hardback 88 pages with 8 pages of colour profiles. Many pictures and the front cover has the oddest looking Bristol F.2B I've seen - its engine radiator looks like the front of an S.E5a. A chapter each on Bristol F.2B, Sopwith Dolphin, Martinsyde Buzzard, Sopwith Camel, S.E.5a, Airco DH-9, RE-8, Avro 504K, HP 0/400, and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, plus a couple of other chapters. My knowledge is insufficient to judge how decent is but it looks OK. Priced at $14.95. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:21:14 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: there is hope..... Message-ID: <73.23f70da.261d78ca@aol.com> If you have a spare 1/72 Revell kit, you ought to send it to the father as a dad n lad project. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:33:43 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: NASM Message-ID: <7f.2a51363.261d7bb7@aol.com> I have sort of a jaundiced view of the NASM display. This was designed and built prior tot he Republican take over of the house in 1994 and during the time, they were politicing for the $$$$$$$$ needed on the Dulles project. It was also the time of the Enola Gay display. The House was run by the PC likes of Pat Schroeder so a strong anti war, phooey on the Imperial Germans tone was pervasive throughout. I think that an overriding concern was to put forth a PC display that even college profs would like so that the PC elite would not deny funding for a 'military minded' Smithsonian. Personally, I have concerns that hanging the aircraft over an extended period of time will damage the wing spars. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:24:04 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: German WW1 Purple/Mauve Message-ID: <007a01bf9e95$5083e4c0$e0501c3f@f4w2s5> I've used PS German Mauve on a couple of Albatrii, and been pretty pleased with the results. I also used Testor's MM Napoleonic violet on the model of Lt. Max Nather's DVa, and IMVVHO, it turned out pretty nice as well. Mauve beauty is in the eye of the beholder/builder! Cheers, Gabe -----Original Message----- From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 7:38 AM Subject: German WW1 Purple/Mauve >Hi folks ! > >This will probably seem like a terribly basic question to most of you, >but is there a good paint match for German Mauve/Purple ? I've got the >Xtracolor tin, but it seems much darker than the colour I've seen >represented before. Is it a good match ? > >I'm building the Eduard 1/72 Albatros DV as a captured RFC one. > >Maybe someday Aeromaster will do WW1 Colours (French 5 colour in >particular) !! > >Thanks for any advice > >David > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:45:22 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new subsciber(s) Message-ID: <38EC3282.5420CA72@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Welcome David and Mark, Greetings from eastern front. Few days off computer and I see new faces ;-)) Talking about dark or light side - that guys are fanatics. I do both 1/72 and 1/48 (but OT only 1/48:-)) and I really enjoy it. -- Witold Kozakiewicz, Lodz Poland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:08:59 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Re: Eduard 1/48 Hanriot HD1 Message-ID: <006501bf9f96$fbdae240$320106c0@acasirat> Why not thinking of an Italian Hd.1 ? There are so many interesting and colourful schemes for them ! Sorry for the intrusion ! Alberto Casirati. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Eduard 1/48 Hanriot HD1 > In a message dated 4/5/00 11:26:08 AM Central Daylight Time, > laskodi@launchnet.com writes: > > > Subj: Eduard 1/48 Hanriot HD1 > > Date: 4/5/00 11:26:08 AM Central Daylight Time > > From: laskodi@launchnet.com (laskodi) > > Sender: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Reply-to: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu (Multiple recipients of list) > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF9EE0.71593D80 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Got my long awaited order from VAMP yesterday, so it's back to modeling = > > real planes after a brief foray into WW2. First up is the Hanriot which = > > I will do as the OOB option of Coppens crate. Any tips on building this = > > puppy? Otis, I too noticed the difference in the interplane struts and = > > the incorrect instructions. Which one goes in the back, the "fat" or = > > "tapered" one? Also the box top shows an open inspection panel above the = > > tail skid but it's not on the model. Any other changes needed? > > TIA > > ---Bob Laskodi > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF9EE0.71593D80 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > > > > > > >
Got my long awaited order from VAMP yesterday, so = > > it's back to=20 > > modeling real planes after a brief foray into WW2. First up is the = > > Hanriot which=20 > > I will do as the OOB option of Coppens crate. Any tips on building this = > > puppy?=20 > > Otis, I too noticed the difference in the interplane struts and the = > > incorrect=20 > > instructions. Which one goes in the back, the "fat" or "tapered" one? = > > Also the=20 > > box top shows an open inspection panel above the tail skid but it's not = > > on the=20 > > model. Any other changes needed?
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TIA
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---Bob Laskodi
> > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF9EE0.71593D80-- > > > > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > > Return-Path: > > Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) > > by air-yg05.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:26:08 > -0400 > > Received: from pease1.sr.unh.edu (pease1.sr.unh.edu [132.177.241.20]) by > > rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:25:40 -0400 > > Received: from pease1.sr.unh.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > > by pease1.sr.unh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13190; > > Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:23:42 -0400 (EDT) > > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:23:42 -0400 (EDT) > > Message-Id: <001c01bf9f1b$1e785840$343819d0@laskodi> > > Errors-To: aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Originator: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Sender: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Precedence: bulk > > From: "laskodi" > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Eduard 1/48 Hanriot HD1 > > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > > X-Comment: WWI Modeling Discussion List > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > > > Yes, the "fat" strut goes in the back. No other tips. It goes together pretty > easily. > > Otis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:39:08 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: new subsciber(s) Message-ID: - lurking mode off Hello David and Mark, more greetings from the CE Europe! >> Talking about dark or light side - that guys are fanatics. I do both 1/72 and 1/48 (but OT only 1/48:-)) and I really enjoy it.<< Do not trust those guys from the central Poland at all. Recent researches have proven that there is only one valid scale: 1/48 ;-) BTW, nice to read you again Witold. Tom Gronczewski Bedzin, southern Poland - lurking mode on ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:09:19 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new subsciber(s) Message-ID: <38EC462F.D3A325D@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Tomasz Gronczewski napisał(a): > > Do not trust those guys from the central Poland at all. Recent researches > have proven that there is only one valid scale: 1/48 ;-) > BTW, nice to read you again Witold. > > Tom Gronczewski > Bedzin, southern Poland > > - lurking mode on Tomasz try to build TB-3 on 1/48. I've just got ICM model in 1/72 - near 60cm span. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:20:36 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: new subsciber(s) Message-ID: >>Tomasz try to build TB-3 on 1/48. I've just got ICM model in 1/72 - near 60cm span.<< Ha Ha! But most recent researches have proven that such big airplanes did not exist! If they existed they would be too much heavier than air and thus they wouldn't be able to get airborne ;-))) Anyway I've seen this kit. I must admit that the size is impressive. (Of course as a subject of the category "aviation - what if" ;-) Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:07:23 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: More images Message-ID: <00d401bf9faf$e78f88e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Bittner Oh, it's fun being bored... Tell me about it! > Otis Goodin's Alb.D.V is spectacular! -snip- Gabriel Limon's two are very nice as well. Excellent job, fella's! Ditto from here. Since the Albatros (in all its variants) fighters are my favourite airplanes, It's great to have such a variety of images on the site about this subject. I like them all, and i can't compare since every one has its own qualities. I remember when I first looked to the website (about 3 yrs. ago? wow!) when the albatrosen displayed were so few! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:02:51 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: new subsciber(s) Message-ID: <00d301bf9faf$45141360$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tomasz Gronczewski > Ha Ha! But most recent researches have proven that such big airplanes did > not exist! Ah! another of Stalin's lies... D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:58:31 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: New images Message-ID: <00a101bf9fae$aa53ae80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Mark wrote: > The technology does exist - it's called sterio lithography - Yes! Now I remember (as RK did) seeing a show on Discovery channel where they put an aegypcian mummy into a tomographic scanner and later they molded the skull without peeling the bandages... Amazing. Hopefully someday prices will be affordable and technology better. But I can't stop thinking on the next patient the used that device after the mummy... "hey, who left a finger here?" yeech! D. PS: welcome to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:04:52 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Waiting Message-ID: <000d01bf9fb7$ef4b8a40$760356d1@default> Just waiting on the clothes dryer this morning as I make myself late for work and wondering about the scale wars. I just aquired a whole bunch of neat vac & resin kits that are all in 1:72. Am I starting to slip off the biscalar bandwagon? I started to wonder, because the Rosmont and Ragwings resins are very nice and the Warbirds vac of the Junkers D.I has the best corregated metal surface I've ever seen. Nope just because there is something else to like about 1:72 that I didn't know about before doesn't mean there is any less to like about quarter scale. Either way, if you limit yourself to one scale you are missing some really great kits and in this "Golden Age "of WWI modeling, that's missing a whole lot of modeling fun. Off to work. sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:07:29 -0230 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new subsciber Message-ID: Welcome Mark Glad to see another Mark on the list. . .those Daves are getting a bit numerous. Welcome to the insanity. Mark V-J (Does that make me MArk #2 or 3??) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:08:40 -0230 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spin SPAD A.2 - quick look Message-ID: I guess now we know where the term 'it slices, it dices' came from :-0 Mark V-J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:22:31 -0500 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Stereolithography--was New Images Message-ID: Mark Wrote: > The technology does exist - it's called sterio lithography - There are two main technologies competing for this three-dimensional rendering/modelling. In the first, the surface layer of a liquid plastic resin is cross-linked (solidified) by a computer-controlled laser that "draws" each cross-section layer across the liquid pool. The growing casting sinks slowly so that a fresh layer of liquid covers the top for the laser to attach. In the second, a reverse type of process is used. A layer of powder is melted by the laser drawing, then another layer laid on top, and the next cross section drawn. Advocates for both will expound on the advantages of theirs and disadvantages of the competitor, but both take a CAD/CAM rendering in the computer and turn it into a 3-D model of the object. The rendering, as in the case of the mummy, can be generated by CAT scan, or can be a new design, or whatever. Neither process is very "fast," taking about 24-48 hours to do a complete model, depending on size, but the models are amazing. They could take an engineering drawing of one of our biplanes, for example, and what would rise out of the vat would be an exact replica of it -- internal structures and rigging grown with the model at the same time. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:45:32 -0500 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'WWI Modeling Digest'" Subject: Otis' Alb wood finish Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A249078012AB8E1@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Greetings, This may have already been discussed, but Otis, how did you achieve that beautiful wood finish? If this has been discussed, can anyone point me to the digest? I couldn't find it, looking back. Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:04:26 +1000 From: "Andrew Ronayne" To: Subject: Re: Otis' Alb wood finish - me too! Message-ID: <00bc01bf9fc8$a3ca8f60$02cb1dcb@t9hf2> Oh bugger - there was a photo??? I lost a stack of my inbox contents courtesy of my son. Anyone got the url and the info Kenneth just requested?? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2000 10:48 Subject: Otis' Alb wood finish > Greetings, > > This may have already been discussed, but Otis, how did you achieve that > beautiful wood finish? If this has been discussed, can anyone point me to > the digest? I couldn't find it, looking back. > > Ken Zelnick > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Warbirds Junkers D-I (Was: Waiting) Message-ID: <200004061318.JAA19760@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Am I starting to slip off the biscalar bandwagon? I started to wonder, > because the Rosmont and Ragwings resins are very nice and the Warbirds vac > of the Junkers D.I has the best corregated metal surface I've ever seen. I have already destroyed one warbirds D-I trying to get the wing halves of the wings to match up. Anyone have a tip on getting this to work. I have a second kit that I would like to build and NOT have to toss into a trashcan. Thanks, Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:15:01 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Warbirds Junkers D-I (Was: Waiting) Message-ID: Who carries the Warbirds D-1, would love to have one. Thanks Mack -----Original Message----- From: Allan Wright [mailto:aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 8:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Warbirds Junkers D-I (Was: Waiting) > Am I starting to slip off the biscalar bandwagon? I started to wonder, > because the Rosmont and Ragwings resins are very nice and the Warbirds vac > of the Junkers D.I has the best corregated metal surface I've ever seen. I have already destroyed one warbirds D-I trying to get the wing halves of the wings to match up. Anyone have a tip on getting this to work. I have a second kit that I would like to build and NOT have to toss into a trashcan. Thanks, Al ============================================================================ === Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu ============================================================================ === ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:22:49 PDT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: NASM Message-ID: <20000406132249.27289.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: DavidL1217@aol.com David: > >I have sort of a jaundiced view of the NASM display. This was >designed >and built prior tot he Republican take over of the house in >1994 You are "forgetting" the U.S. has a bi-cameral legislature. >and during the time, they were politicing for the $$$$$$$$ >needed >on the >Dulles project. It was also the time of the Enola Gay display. The House >was run by >the PC likes of Pat Schroeder so a strong anti war, phooey on >the >Imperial Germans tone was pervasive throughout. I think that an > >overriding concern was to put forth a PC display that even college >profs >would like so that the PC elite would not deny funding for a >'military >minded' Smithsonian. > Yes, that's right; the fact that the design of the "Great War in the Air" (GWITA) display is so poor, was entirely due to the Democratic majority in the U.S. House of Representatives. Not only were those left-wing extremist against the "Ghastly Germans" but, evidently, they regarded the RFC/RAF as a dubious entity with highly subversive potential; hence, the unfortunate positioning of the Sopwith Snipe. I am told that "They" initially wanted to hang the Snipe twice as high up and upside down in order to really drive home their point, however, they settled for a more subtle display of disapproval. They must also have had it in for the French too judging by the Voisin VIII display. Why can't the reason for the poor display of the GWITA be the result of incompetent museum management, who don't know their backside from an Hispano-Suiza, rather than a left-wing plot? Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:26:56 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Warbirds Junkers D-I (Was: Waiting) Message-ID: <200004061327.IAA04386@mail2.neonramp.com> On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:24:26 -0400 (EDT), Harris, Mack wrote: > Who carries the Warbirds D-1, would love to have one. You'll have to hunt one down. It's out of production. Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:44:12 -0800 From: "Matt Bailey" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Problem with the basics Message-ID: Thanks to all those that replied. It is good to know that other people struggle with the same problem. I say 'good to know' in the sense that I don't have to go back to snap-tite modeling to get the basics down. I'm in 'digest mode'so I don't always have the opportunity to reply or make comments to each of your suggestions, but they are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Matt --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:01:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: NASM Message-ID: <200004061401.KAA20222@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Yes, that's right; the fact that the design of the "Great War in the Air" > (GWITA) display is so poor, was entirely due to the Democratic majority in > the U.S. House of Representatives. Not only were those left-wing extremist > against the "Ghastly Germans" but, evidently, they regarded the RFC/RAF as a > dubious entity with highly subversive potential; hence, the unfortunate > positioning of the Sopwith Snipe. I am told that "They" initially wanted to > hang the Snipe twice as high up and upside down in order to really drive > home their point, however, they settled for a more subtle display of > disapproval. They must also have had it in for the French too judging by > the Voisin VIII display. > > Why can't the reason for the poor display of the GWITA be the result of > incompetent museum management, who don't know their backside from an > Hispano-Suiza, rather than a left-wing plot? Harshly stated but I have to agree. I doubt the US legislature gives a hoot about how the WWI aircraft are displayed in the NASM. Hell they can't even stop the Pentagon from buying $5,000 toilet seats! -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:50:59 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Wood technique on Alb D.V Message-ID: --part1_b7.1f82b9a.261dfe53_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've had requests from several folks about the technique I used to achieve the wood grain effect on my "Stropp" Albatros. This is a reply I provided to Ken Acosta, and I'm posting to the list for all to access. This method worked for me, THIS TIME, and works for me most of the time. But, I firmly believe it all comes down to execution and each person has to find the method that works best for them. Thanks for the kind words. It means a lot coming from such a talented group. Otis --part1_b7.1f82b9a.261dfe53_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Otisgood@aol.com From: Otisgood@aol.com Full-name: Otisgood Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:29:46 EDT Subject: Re: Wood technique on Alb D.V To: kacosta.CORP_PO.C_CORP@colsa.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Gladly. My "recipe" is very similar to what others use. I think it mainly comes down to execution. Some attempts are better than others. The DV happens to be one of my better ones, but I've had plenty of failures. First, I sprayed the entire fuselage with Gunze Radome Tan. Testor's Model Master Acrylics also produces a Radome Tan that is very similar. I use either depending on availability. I like Radome Tan because it is very neutral. Neither too yellow nor too brown. On the DV, I let it dry thoroughly (2-3 days), because I didn't overcoat it with Future (at that point). I prefer not to at this point because it gives the paint applied in the next step a better surface to "grab on" to. However, it must be thoroughly dry or you can ruin it. If you don't feel safe proceeding on to the next step, you may want to apply a light coat of Future to protect the undercoat. I then took some regular old Testor's Wood #1141 (gloss) and some thinner (put each in a small separate container) and a brush I use for drybrushing. I dip the brush into the thinner, blot it, dip it into the paint, blot it, and then apply it, a panel at a time, to the fuselage. I attempt to create a random, wood like appearance by both brushing and stippling (short stabbing strokes) where appropriate. I want to make sure it's not applied too heavily in any one spot. If paint builds up, I simply dip the brush in thinner and spread it around. If paint builds up in your brush, clean it out and start again. I want plenty of the undercoat to show through, but at the same time have it all covered. I progress from panel to panel, applying the paint in a different direction each time to give the appearance of separate panels. Some panels I will make darker than others. Some panels will be lighter on one end than on the other, etc. You want variation, but you don't want it to be too obvious. That's the hard part. I don't overemphasize the panel lines. I just let some of the thinned paint run down into them and leave it at that. After all the panels have been covered, I let it dry thoroughly again. (another 2-3 days). At this point it may not look that great. Don't be too concerned. The "varnish" we apply will improve the appearance immensely. On the DV, I simply applied a watered down wash of Gunze (I think) Afrika Yellow. It's a mustardy yellow that gives the plane that "honey" colored look. Lately, a lot of list members have been using the clear yellows either by Gunze or Tamiya. Some of them mix it with Future. I've tried it and it works pretty well, but the yellow is a little too bright for my tastes. Anyway, once the yellow varnish had dried thoroughly, I went back over it with Future, applied by hand. The Future really brings it all together. It deepens the yellow varnish and the Wood strokes, both highlighting and blending the colors into a cohesive appearance. Let dry and you're ready to decal. Hope this helps. Of course, photos hide some of the flaws, and also make the wood variations a little less visible, but the actual model looks pretty much like the pictures. Give it a try, you'll probably surprise yourself! Otis --part1_b7.1f82b9a.261dfe53_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2245 **********************