WWI Digest 2223 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: KC pics by Shane Weier 2) DH-4 WAS: What's (OT) on the work bench? by "Sandy Adam" 3) RE: DH-4 WAS: What's (OT) on the work bench? by Shane Weier 4) ee-ree-goshen by "dfernet0" 5) RE: ee-ree-goshen by "dfernet0" 6) new links by "dfernet0" 7) Tom's Modelworks - Pfalz D.XII a Review by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 8) Hawker's DH2 by "Carol & David Solosy" 9) Re: What's (OT) on the work bench? by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 10) Re: KC Pics by James Gibbons 11) New images by "Matthew Bittner" 12) Re: Photographs by Otisgood@aol.com 13) Spin Spad A2 & A4 by "Sandy Adam" 14) Re: What's (OT) on the work bench? by Otisgood@aol.com 15) Re: Tom's Modelworks - Pfalz D.XII a Review by "laskodi" 16) Re: DML Fokker Middle Wing Problem by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Help!! by "DAVID BURKE" 18) Re: Photographs by Otisgood@aol.com 19) Re: Spin Spad A2 & A4 by "Dale Beamish" 20) Re: DML Fokker Middle Wing Problem by "Dale Beamish" 21) New image by "Matthew Bittner" 22) Re: New image by Brent & Tina Theobald 23) Re: New image by "Matthew Bittner" 24) Windsock 16/2 by "Len Smith" 25) Re: DH-4 WAS: What's (OT) on the work bench? by "Len Smith" 26) Re: Photographs by Albatrosdv@aol.com 27) Re: Tom's Modelworks - Pfalz D.XII a Review by Albatrosdv@aol.com 28) Re: Photographs by Albatrosdv@aol.com 29) Re: Hawker's DH2 by "David Calhoun" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:50:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: KC pics Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1E91@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Sorry that I missed answering this ealier: > I'm sorry, but I don't know what ABMS is. It's a usenet newsgroup alt.binaries.models.scale Because it's in the alt heirarchy (and because it has the word "models" in it, it gets endlessly spammed by the porn merchants and as a consequence many ISP's will not carry it - meaning that you won't be able to view it. But try - get there the same way as rec.models.scale Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:51:14 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: DH-4 WAS: What's (OT) on the work bench? Message-ID: <006e01bf989b$2d358be0$15e8b094@sandyada> >Which brings me to wondering.... >Until the much anticipated Datafile Special arrives there doesn't seem to be >a heck of a lot of decent reference material on the DH-4....... Shane You were obviously ot ranting so much about Chuck Heston that you failed to read my OT post about the new Air-Britain DH4/DH9 File. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:03:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: DH-4 WAS: What's (OT) on the work bench? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1E92@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Yikes! > You were obviously ot ranting so much about Chuck Heston that > you failed to > read my OT post about the new Air-Britain DH4/DH9 File. Sandy ! No I read it alright but forgot it almost....... ...um, where was i then? ;-) Actually, by the time I get that, the upcoming datafile and the stuff I already have it'll be pretty well documented. Quite a turnabout. Thanks.. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:18:05 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: ee-ree-goshen Message-ID: <00b301bf989e$e87ca200$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi James! Just wanted to say hi and thanks for your message of the weekend (seems to have misplaced it to answer, I know that's in some place inside my HD). I wanted to ask you if you have been able to see "in the flesh" the implosion of the Supersonics Stadium of Seattle. It was impressive and I saw it in TV. Altough this kind of demolition is common in the US here is quite restricted. Last year an ensemble of grain containers (silos) must be wiped out from our city riverside and it was tought on making them blow, but the city government banned the system and we lost the show. Do you remember that once you asked me about ships? Yesterday I saw in the TV an extensive documentary on the "Sarmiento" frigate, that used to be the school vessel of the Argentine navy. She has circunnavigated the globe many times and escaped the WW1 atlantic blockade nearly. One of the presidents who visited -and sailed- this frigate was ee-ree-goshen himself, very smart in his tailed coat and top hat. Yesterday I forgot to mention that my 75 mm Scheneider is also in my workbench, at least virtually, since it is carefully stored until I build the wheels from scratch. I discussed these matters with Bob Horton and told me a good/easy method for doing it. I'll do some experiments with casting and molds during my vacations next april. Best regards D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:23:39 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: ee-ree-goshen Message-ID: <00b901bf989f$af989e20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sorry list. Wrong address. I meant this message just for James Gray. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:56:11 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: new links Message-ID: <00d801bf98a4$3ac96980$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Two new links added to my reference pages: The Fokker DVII files, from the Netherlands, and "14-18 La Grande Guerre en dessins" a french site very useful for figure modelers. Both are near the bottom of the links page at http://ww1stuff.freeservers.com/bestlink.htm D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:24:48 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Tom's Modelworks - Pfalz D.XII a Review Message-ID: <002401bf990c$d04e8f90$5538183f@cyrixp166> Since this kit has generated some comment on the list, I though I would give a review (admittedly biased, but I hope balanced). 1.) 7 cast resin pieces. 2.) Bag O'metal parts. 3.) Photoetch (3 frets - Gun jackets, details & struts) 4.) Custom Decals 5.) Aeromaster 5 Color Lozenge 6.) Instructions Commentary: Kit is impressive in scope. Metal parts are comprehensive. Gear, guns, seat, engine, radiator etc. They will clean up well. The Aeromaster 5 color lozenge, is what it is. The photoetch details are especially good. You get lots of cockpit details, plus gun jackets, and a thick fret of the N struts, with rigging guide holes. The resin pieces are a mixed bag. Horizontal & Vertical Stabilizers: These are pretty good. They are very thin. The ribbing is a little too "starved cow" for me, but they should be amenable to some light sanding. Fuselage is nice. Hollow halves. It captures that Pfalz look of a molded fuslage. The wings (as stated by others) are abysmal. The detail is okay to a little busy. Short ribs (a la Sopwith) are there as well as 3/4 ribs and full ribs. The real problem is the way they are cast. These wings were cast using a sump mold, with the leading edges as the exit point. The wings are very thick because the leading edges of the molds have sagged and have opened up. This is an issue with all sump type wing molds and something all resin casters should be aware of and should control. This effect causes a wing shape that is elipsoidal when viewed from the front facing the leading edge, ie. very thick at the leading edge in the middle of the span, thin at the trailing edge and a little thick at the wing tips. It has been suggested that you could sand the bottoms until you reached the correct thickness. I am not sure about this. First, you will lose all the bottom detail on the wings. Second, it will be hard to sand the wing and preserve the cambre. Finally the trailing edges are just about the correct thickness. The middle of the wing is very thick & the tips are moderatly so. You would need to practice some very careful differential sanding. Because of the non-uniformity of this defect, I suggest that the wings are un-usable and that new ones should be scratched. Which is really too bad as the other parts are pretty good. The markings decals are by Microscale and are very good. Instructions are short on text but lavishly illustrated. No rigging diagram, so you will need references. It can be built into a nice looking kit but overall it would be a real challenge because of the wing issues. Regards, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:28:07 -0800 From: "Carol & David Solosy" To: "WW1 List" Subject: Hawker's DH2 Message-ID: OK list, I need your opinions on the paint scheme of Maj Lanoe Hawker's DH2 5964 at the time he was shot down by MvR on 23 Nov 1916. I have conflicting references: The list's very own Bob Pearson,using OtF 3/3 as a reference notes the nacelle as being battleship gray, the fabric panel as PC10 and depicts the fin as PC10. The red and white striped outer struts accord with the paintings on the back of DF 48, researched by B J Gray and painted by Ray Rimell. Bob notes that his profile depicts 5964 as at July 1916. Don Greer's cover art on the Squad Signal book shows 5964 as: nacelle in battleship grey, fabric panel as CDL and fin in CDL, with top mounted header tank. The outer struts are eight alternate white and red stripes. It's very difficult to tell from the photos of 24 sqn DH2s in the DF, on pages 12 and 13, if they are PC10 over the whole nacelle, or battleship grey nacelle with a PC10 fabric panel. There's a lot of light eflecing off the aircraft in theses photos. Any opinions on either of the above or any variations? And what do you opine about the saw tooth CDL under-nacelle pattern on 5964 on 23 Nov 1916? TIA David from Perth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:06:26 -0230 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's (OT) on the work bench? Message-ID: Just read Bob Pearson's list of what's on his workbench and now I don't feel so bad. OT is, alas pretty slim right now: a 1/48 Glencoe Spad - assembled - awaiting paint job, a Hobby Craft 1/32 Camel - fuselage together, engine detailed, awaiting for checkerboard paint job and it's wings and the big metropolitan 1/24 Caudron G3. Off topic is another story: Airfix 1/72 RAF rescue launch - awaiting paint job, Revell 1/32 scale Bell X-1 - awaiting paint job and undercarriage, Williams Brothers 1/32 Gee Bee Zee - awaiting paint job, Williams brothers 1/32 Caudron Racer, awaiting decals, Williams Brothers 1/32 Schoenfeldt Firecracker - awaiting divine intervention; Revell 1/32 AH-64 Apache - awaiting paint job, Hobby craft 1/48 Avro Arrow - awaiting paint job, (yes, I have a phobia about my #^%#^!! airbrush) and (horror of horrors) two Sci-Fi kits, one of a Star Trek USS Defiant which is being wired for lights. This list is naturally missing all of the kits that are half built and were stuffed back into boxes and hidden when I got to depressed to look at them any more. And you wonder why I'm considering moving soley to WWI subjects. I need more order in my life. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:43:36 -0500 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: KC Pics Message-ID: <01BF9891.B6EC90E0.jgibbons@vppsa.com> Shawn, I believe that ABMS refers to the usenet newsgroup Alt.Binaries.Models.Scale. I not sure what the best way is for you to access the newsgroups through your current ISP. You might try searching on or . Many of the web sites that let you access newsgroups do not allow you to view attached images. James Gibbons ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:05:48 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New images Message-ID: <200003281506.JAA12416@mail1.neonramp.com> I have just uploaded some new images to my Fort Crook site (see my sig for the URL). The first on topic is a French Strutter (are there any others? ;-) built by Pedro. Excellent job Pedro! The second model is off topic, and you'll have to see it for yourself. Click on What's New for an easy way to travel to both pages. (Yes, the off topic is also very well done...) Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:35:21 EST From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Photographs Message-ID: Tom, Thanks for the info. Once you shoot the film, do you then have it "digitized"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:32:37 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Spin Spad A2 & A4 Message-ID: <00d801bf98ca$daf888c0$15e8b094@sandyada> Hannants have pics of the box art for these two in Advance Bookings. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:37:48 EST From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's (OT) on the work bench? Message-ID: <70.1f3c448.26122bcc@aol.com> Sounds like a man with experience!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:44:23 -0800 From: "laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Tom's Modelworks - Pfalz D.XII a Review Message-ID: <001b01bf98cc$7e7af180$133819d0@laskodi> My thanks to everyone for their very good comments about the TM Pfalz DXII. I will probably avoid this kit mainly because I don't have a lot of lozenge decal left and don't want to risk it on an iffy build. Fortunately, the $10 I spent on it won't go to waste as it included some nice PE and white metal components and (the real clincher) a full set of Aeromaster lozenge. Thanks to all, ----Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 3:32 AM Subject: Tom's Modelworks - Pfalz D.XII a Review > Since this kit has generated some comment on the list, I though I would give > a review (admittedly biased, but I hope balanced). > > 1.) 7 cast resin pieces. > 2.) Bag O'metal parts. > 3.) Photoetch (3 frets - Gun jackets, details & struts) > 4.) Custom Decals > 5.) Aeromaster 5 Color Lozenge > 6.) Instructions > > Commentary: > > Kit is impressive in scope. Metal parts are comprehensive. Gear, guns, seat, > engine, radiator etc. They will clean up well. The Aeromaster 5 color > lozenge, is what it is. The photoetch details are especially good. You get > lots of cockpit details, plus gun jackets, and a thick fret of the N struts, > with rigging guide holes. > > The resin pieces are a mixed bag. > > Horizontal & Vertical Stabilizers: > > These are pretty good. They are very thin. The ribbing is a little too > "starved cow" for me, but they should be amenable to some light sanding. > > Fuselage is nice. Hollow halves. It captures that Pfalz look of a molded > fuslage. > > The wings (as stated by others) are abysmal. The detail is okay to a little > busy. > Short ribs (a la Sopwith) are there as well as 3/4 ribs and full ribs. The > real problem is the way they are cast. These wings were cast using a sump > mold, with the leading edges as the exit point. The wings are very thick > because the leading edges of the molds have sagged and have opened up. This > is an issue with all sump type wing molds and something all resin casters > should be aware of and should control. This effect causes a wing shape that > is elipsoidal when viewed from the front facing the leading edge, ie. very > thick at the leading edge in the middle of the span, thin at the trailing > edge and a little thick at the wing tips. It has been suggested that you > could sand the bottoms until you reached the correct thickness. I am not > sure about this. First, you will lose all the bottom detail on the wings. > Second, it will be hard to sand the wing and preserve the cambre. Finally > the trailing edges are just about the correct thickness. The middle of the > wing is very thick & the tips are moderatly so. You would need to practice > some very careful differential sanding. > Because of the non-uniformity of this defect, I suggest that the wings are > un-usable and that new ones should be scratched. Which is really too bad as > the other parts are pretty good. > > The markings decals are by Microscale and are very good. Instructions are > short on text but lavishly illustrated. No rigging diagram, so you will need > references. > > It can be built into a nice looking kit but overall it would be a real > challenge because of the wing issues. > > Regards, > Cyg. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:22:34 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: DML Fokker Middle Wing Problem Message-ID: <00b301bf98cb$47581080$8498aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I have built three of the DML Dr.1's (check the photo gallery), all at the same time. All of their middle wings fit perfectly. Make sure that the ammo bin is fitted correctly. It should all fall together with no problems. DB -----Original Message----- From: Charles and Linda Duckworth To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, March 27, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: Re: DML Fokker Middle Wing Problem >>7. DML Fokker Triplane. 70% done. I found that the middle wing sat too >high >>on the fuselage and I had to remove approx 3/32" from the bottom of the >>middle wing and fuselage ledge where the middle wing sits. Otherwise the >>top coaming in front of the cockpit between the middle wings does not match >>the curve of the top of the cowl. I have not read anywhere else >>about this, has anyone had this problem, or is it just me or my version of >>the kit? >> >My version too...I was dry fitting the middle wing and cowling this past >week as I was painting it and wondering how come no one else complained >since I'd also never seen this comment I'm also having to remove 3/32" to >get the wing to sit lower. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:33:22 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Help!! Message-ID: <00b601bf98cb$4b77f900$8498aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >In a message dated 3/27/00 11:30:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, >mvj@thetelegram.com writes: > ><< If anyone out there has a line on what other WWI kits are available in 1/32 > or bigger, I'd be interested in finding out. > MVJ > >> Well, I personally have the 1/28 Spad XIII, Sopwith Camel, Fokker Dr.I and D.VII. All with potential. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:42:04 EST From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Photographs Message-ID: No shortage of conflicting opinions on this list!! I'm going to try both digital and regular. I have a Canon Rebel EOS, and I just ordered a digital from AOL. I really appreciate all the info. I just need to complete a model that's worthy of photographing and posting! Otis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:43:51 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Spin Spad A2 & A4 Message-ID: <010201bf98cc$6c085920$03000004@darcy> Anyone have a web address for Hannants? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 28 March, 2000 8:42 AM Subject: Spin Spad A2 & A4 > Hannants have pics of the box art for these two in Advance Bookings. > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:54:28 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: DML Fokker Middle Wing Problem Message-ID: <012401bf98cd$e7edc420$03000004@darcy> I agree. I've built eight of them and the only problem I encountered was the ammo bin. I also removed the locating pins on the underside and sanded the bottom flush. I didn't have any problems after that. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: 28 March, 2000 8:52 AM Subject: Re: DML Fokker Middle Wing Problem > I have built three of the DML Dr.1's (check the photo gallery), all at the > same time. All of their middle wings fit perfectly. Make sure that the > ammo bin is fitted correctly. It should all fall together with no problems. > > > DB > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles and Linda Duckworth > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Monday, March 27, 2000 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: DML Fokker Middle Wing Problem > > > >>7. DML Fokker Triplane. 70% done. I found that the middle wing sat too > >high > >>on the fuselage and I had to remove approx 3/32" from the bottom of the > >>middle wing and fuselage ledge where the middle wing sits. Otherwise the > >>top coaming in front of the cockpit between the middle wings does not > match > >>the curve of the top of the cowl. I have not read anywhere else > >>about this, has anyone had this problem, or is it just me or my version of > >>the kit? > >> > >My version too...I was dry fitting the middle wing and cowling this past > >week as I was painting it and wondering how come no one else complained > >since I'd also never seen this comment I'm also having to remove 3/32" to > >get the wing to sit lower. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:13:40 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New image Message-ID: <200003281614.KAA14509@mail1.neonramp.com> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies if this comes through twice. I've been having problems with my ISP and am not sure if it made it through. I have just uploaded some new images to my Fort Crook site (see my sig for the URL). The first on topic is a French Strutter (are there any others? ;-) built by Pedro. Excellent job Pedro! The second model is off topic, and you'll have to see it for yourself. Click on What's New for an easy way to travel to both pages. (Yes, the off topic is also very well done...) Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies if this comes through twice. I've been having problems with my ISP and am not sure if it made it through.

I have just uploaded some new images to my Fort Crook site (see my sig
for the URL). The first on topic is a French Strutter (are there any
others? ;-) built by Pedro. Excellent job Pedro!

The second model is off topic, and you'll have to see it for yourself.
Click on What's New for an easy way to travel to both pages. (Yes, the
off topic is also very well done...)


Matt Bittner
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook
--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4862544=_=_=_-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:04:40 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New image Message-ID: <38E0E628.D76DF5E@airmail.net> Hey Matt, I cruised over to the web site there and noticed a minor error. Sapozhnikov's Snipe was a Bolshevik machine, not Imperial Russian. Just splitting hairs :) Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:57:25 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New image Message-ID: <200003281658.KAA22120@mail2.neonramp.com> On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:56:38 -0500 (EST), Brent & Tina Theobald wrote: > I cruised over to the web site there and noticed a minor error. Sapozhnikov's Snipe was a Bolshevik machine, not Imperial Russian. > > Just splitting hairs :) :-P```` Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:58:19 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Windsock 16/2 Message-ID: <001301bf98d7$5d411480$99867ed4@mesh> Greetings, The latest Windsock contains the following:- "At some point we will be dragged screaming into the 21st Century with the establishment of an official Albatros website" Speaking to Ray at the recent Southern Expo, he confirmed that he knew of the List, and sometimes browses it. Featured aircraft is the Albree/Pigeon Fraser Scout of 1918, an American a/c with an unusual rear end. The whole of the rear fuselage was hinged behind the cockpit to provide elevator control ! Also an article by Alberto on colourful Italian Babes (E note Nieuports not your sort), and Part 3 of Russian Naval Nieuports. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:57:38 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: DH-4 WAS: What's (OT) on the work bench? Message-ID: <001201bf98d7$5c901400$99867ed4@mesh> Shane, May I add to Matt and Mike's suggestions an out of print book. "British Military Aircraft of World War One" was published by Arms and Armour Press in 1976 and is a reprint of the Air Board/RAF Technical Notes of 1918. It contains technical details of several British aircraft dealing with their erection, trueing up and rigging, in many cases well illustrated by line drawings and photos. The De Havilland No.4 (275 H.P. Rolls-Royce) is particularly complete with many pages of instructions, line drawings, three view drawings (not dimensioned) showing rigging runs and even a listing of RAF Wire lengths for the super detailers. I believe some (or all) of the a/c featured are in a more recent reprint by Camden Miniature Steam Services, Barrow Farm, Rode, Nr Bath, Somerset BA3 6PS, also available in America from a firm whose name I can't remember. Incidently in another book from them on Engine notes, acknowledgement is made of the invaluable assistance of Mr. Ron Griffiths of Queensland, Australia. Should you ever decide to 'Brisfitise' the DH4 photocopies would be available ! Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 3:29 AM Subject: DH-4 WAS: What's (OT) on the work bench? > Mike notes: > > > As for OT subjects, > > 1. Aurora DH-4. 20% done. Lots of work to do correcting shapes and > > removing embossed markings before you can even start to glue parts. > > Which brings me to wondering.... > > Until the much anticipated Datafile Special arrives there doesn't seem to be > a heck of a lot of decent reference material on the DH-4, which seems > strange given that it was a very significant aircraft. I have the NASM > volume - though being a liberty engined aircraft it's not that interesting > to me - and I *think* I have a Profile, but wonder what other references are > around. In particular, I doubt if I have a set of plans, in any scale :-( > > Just curious, don't expect me to build one ! > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:06:50 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Photographs Message-ID: <35.30fe34b.261240aa@aol.com> In a message dated 3/28/100 4:23:25 AM EST, Suvoroff@aol.com writes: << The best digital cameras produce excellent photographs, particularly for modelers. The depth of field rivals that of pinhole cameras; >> Depth of field on closeups is the one area digi-pix have any leg to stand on. At two internet publication sites I work with, Squadron and Modeling Madness, it is very definitely not hard to see the difference between film pix scanned and digi-pix, and that is possible looking at them through a 95dpi-maximum screen. Take a 2"x3" photo and scan it at 300dpi and you will have a .jpg far sharper than anything a digi-camera can create only putting one shot on a floppy at a time. Re-size it for publication and it will still be sharper. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:12:27 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tom's Modelworks - Pfalz D.XII a Review Message-ID: <28.37f73cf.261241fb@aol.com> In a message dated 3/28/100 6:29:16 AM EST, janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << The markings decals are by Microscale and are very good. Instructions are short on text but lavishly illustrated. No rigging diagram, so you will need references. It can be built into a nice looking kit but overall it would be a real challenge because of the wing issues. Regards, >> Personally, I would think if you could get this kit for the $10 Bob Laskodi reported, and then obtain the Blue Max Pfalz D.XII (which I think is one of their very best, so you know if it's BM and *I* like it it's very good :-)), the Tom's kit would be a great set of aftermarket stuff. Certainly Tom's white metal stuff beats the daylights out of anything BM does - specially since a lot of it is Aeroclub. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:15:48 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Photographs Message-ID: <73.200a50a.261242c4@aol.com> In a message dated 3/28/100 10:54:10 AM EST, Otisgood@aol.com writes: << I have a Canon Rebel EOS, >> That's more than all you'll find necessary, Otis! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:38:01 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Hawker's DH2 Message-ID: <003601bf98f5$84176b40$3a2f3ccc@oemcomputer> Also, did Hawker's DH 2 have overpainted white in the roundels as shown in the Aeroskin kit by renwall? Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Carol & David Solosy To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 5:31 AM Subject: Hawker's DH2 >OK list, I need your opinions on the paint scheme of Maj Lanoe Hawker's DH2 >5964 at the time he was shot down by MvR on 23 Nov 1916. > >I have conflicting references: The list's very own Bob Pearson,using OtF 3/3 >as a reference notes the nacelle as being battleship gray, the fabric panel >as PC10 and depicts the fin as PC10. The red and white striped outer struts >accord with the paintings on the back of DF 48, researched by B J Gray and >painted by Ray Rimell. Bob notes that his profile depicts 5964 as at July >1916. > >Don Greer's cover art on the Squad Signal book shows 5964 as: nacelle in >battleship grey, fabric panel as CDL and fin in CDL, with top mounted header >tank. The outer struts are eight alternate white and red stripes. > >It's very difficult to tell from the photos of 24 sqn DH2s in the DF, on >pages 12 and 13, if they are PC10 over the whole nacelle, or battleship grey >nacelle with a PC10 fabric panel. There's a lot of light eflecing off the >aircraft in theses photos. > >Any opinions on either of the above or any variations? And what do you opine >about the saw tooth CDL under-nacelle pattern on 5964 on 23 Nov 1916? > >TIA > >David from Perth > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2223 **********************