WWI Digest 2212 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: WWI digest 2211 by JVT7532@aol.com 2) Re: WWI digest 2211 by "Bill Bacon" 3) Re: USAS blue(s)? by skarver@banet.net 4) Re: WWI digest 2211 by Robert M Farrar III 5) Re: WWI digest 2211 by "Michael Kendix" 6) Web ring by "Matthew Bittner" 7) Re: ot Rant from down under by "Candice Uhlir" 8) Re: WWI digest 2211 by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: WWI digest 2211 by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Starry nights WAS: ot Rant from down under by Shane Weier 11) Re: ot Rant from down under:Enough is Enough by Matthew Zivich 12) RE: ot Rant from down under by "Harris, Mack" 13) dora9@sprynet.com by "Michael Kendix" 14) Re: First Vacs was:Southern Expo. by Steve Cox ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:16:51 EST From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/2000 12:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: DC IPMS/ was: ot Rant from down under Message-ID: <003a01bf94ea$782f7f20$5588aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >P.S. In the Hellenic world Charlton Heston is known as Charlton Easton. This >is because in Greek heston meens turd >Peter L Hmmm. A wise people, the Greeks... >> Yeah I guess you could say the same for the English They use the word "Burke" Check it out!!!! Ask a few of the fellows on this list. Lets not get into name calling, "I am the NRA" Life member and proud of it. Best regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:27:13 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 Message-ID: <001301bf94fd$cb04f640$413c32cf@tcac.net> So what., you want a medal? Fresh out ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 1:21 PM Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 > In a message dated 3/23/2000 12:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > << From: "DAVID BURKE" > To: > Subject: Re: DC IPMS/ was: ot Rant from down under > Message-ID: <003a01bf94ea$782f7f20$5588aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > >P.S. In the Hellenic world Charlton Heston is known as Charlton Easton. > This > >is because in Greek heston meens turd > >Peter L > Hmmm. A wise people, the Greeks... >> > Yeah I guess you could say the same for the English They use the word "Burke" > Check it out!!!! Ask a few of the fellows on this list. Lets not get into > name calling, > "I am the NRA" Life member and proud of it. > Best regards, > Jon > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:25:21 -0500 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: USAS blue(s)? Message-ID: <38DA6FA1.2147C989@banet.net> --------------C45BB316ABB64F98525ECFAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:15:51 -0500 (EST), THOMAS SOLINSKI demurred: > > As the sun slowly sank on List-Land, > > HARUMPH My good sir! The sun NEVER sets on THE LIST! No disrespect to the OT Empire intended, but doesn't moonlight so becomes flights of fancy, no? > And the blue was probably French surplus. > According to "THE OFFICIAL MONOGRAM U.S. ARMY AIR SERVICE AND AIR CORPS > AIRCRAFT COLOR GUIDE" the specification for the national marking did > not go into effect until 1919. However the colors were referred to as > FLAG RED, WHITE & BLUE. Since the circle and star with red dot and then > the concentric circle were around prior to this date it would be safe to > speculate that they were relatively dark colors as in the national flag > from the beginning. Except for cases as I started with. French > surplus. Even the monogram book hesitates strongly when they try to > define color. While on Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:52:15 -0500 (EST), Lance Krieg related: >Americal adddresses this issue on their USAS sheets, by opining that French-built subjects were prepared for the American squadrons using the French colors, and the British-built ones using British colors. The American-built craft would be marked in the earlier-mentioned "flag" colors, which would appear to be a lot closer to the British tones. This from memory, so please...FWIW< It turns out that the USAF Museum site contains some rather helpful information, especially a history of the development of the US national insignia at http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/insignia.htm where the following statement can be found: "Prior to the adoption of a common Army-Navy standard for insigne colors in WWII, several variations in the shade of blue used in insignia on Army aircraft since 1917 have been noted." That said, their restorations for US-identified craft irrespective of country of origin all use the darker ('flag") blue color (Anglo-Saxon true blue as opposed to effete French blue!) A photo of a displayed original 91st Aero Squadron badge cut from Lt. Loren E. Rohrer's Salmson suggests that the Museum'd blue is close enough (if perhaps a bit ark)--see http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/ww1/ww1ins9.jpg. So I;m a happy camper, at least until the next research bug bites me. Thanks to all, and to all a good night, StefK --------------C45BB316ABB64F98525ECFAC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:15:51 -0500 (EST), THOMAS SOLINSKI demurred:
> As the sun slowly sank on List-Land,

HARUMPH My good sir!   The sun NEVER sets on THE LIST!

No disrespect to the OT Empire intended, but doesn't moonlight so becomes flights of fancy, no?
And the blue was probably French surplus.
According to "THE OFFICIAL MONOGRAM U.S. ARMY AIR SERVICE AND AIR CORPS
AIRCRAFT COLOR GUIDE"  the specification for the national marking did
not go into effect until 1919.  However the colors were referred to as
FLAG RED, WHITE & BLUE.  Since the circle and star with red dot and then
the concentric circle were around prior to this date it would be safe to
speculate that they were relatively dark colors as in the national flag
from the beginning.   Except for cases as I started with.  French
surplus.  Even the monogram book hesitates strongly when they try to
define color.


While on Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:52:15 -0500 (EST),  Lance Krieg related:

>Americal adddresses this issue on their USAS sheets, by opining that French-built subjects
were prepared for the American squadrons using the French colors, and the British-built ones
using British colors.  The American-built craft would be marked in the earlier-mentioned "flag" colors,
which would appear to be a lot closer to the British tones.

This from memory, so please...FWIW<

It turns out that the USAF Museum site contains some rather helpful information, especially a history of the development of the US national insignia at http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/insignia.htm
where the following statement can be found:
"Prior to the adoption of a common Army-Navy standard for insigne colors in WWII,
 several variations in the shade of blue used in insignia on Army aircraft since 1917
 have been noted."

That said, their restorations for US-identified craft irrespective of country of origin all use the darker ('flag") blue color (Anglo-Saxon true blue as opposed to effete French blue!)
A photo of a displayed original 91st Aero Squadron badge cut from  Lt. Loren E. Rohrer's Salmson suggests that the Museum'd blue is close enough (if perhaps a bit ark)--see http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/ww1/ww1ins9.jpg.

So I;m a happy camper, at least until the next research bug bites me.
Thanks to all, and to all a good night,
StefK
 
 
  --------------C45BB316ABB64F98525ECFAC-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:52:16 -0600 From: Robert M Farrar III To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 Message-ID: <38DA75F0.B146DCA7@airmail.net> Hi Jon So am I NRA Lifer Bob JVT7532@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/23/2000 12:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > << From: "DAVID BURKE" > To: > Subject: Re: DC IPMS/ was: ot Rant from down under > Message-ID: <003a01bf94ea$782f7f20$5588aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > >P.S. In the Hellenic world Charlton Heston is known as Charlton Easton. > This > >is because in Greek heston meens turd > >Peter L > Hmmm. A wise people, the Greeks... >> > Yeah I guess you could say the same for the English They use the word "Burke" > Check it out!!!! Ask a few of the fellows on this list. Lets not get into > name calling, > "I am the NRA" Life member and proud of it. > Best regards, > Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:04:00 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 Message-ID: <20000323200400.28739.qmail@hotmail.com> Allan, the list manager is on vacation so I think it is necessary to maintain a modicom of decorum. I ask, therefore, that we confine our discussions to the issue at hand and respect Allan's request. After all, he and his job are on the hook should matters go awry. This list resides at the University of New Hampshire with the understanding that its discussion contains some value in terms of spreading ideas about history, engineering, aeronautical desgin etc. In no way do I want to discourage the friendly banter and "Good humoured" comments that really help drive this list but let's all try to improve our behaviour. Michael >From: JVT7532@aol.com > >In a message dated 3/23/2000 12:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, >wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: ><< From: "DAVID BURKE" > To: > Subject: Re: DC IPMS/ was: ot Rant from down under > Message-ID: <003a01bf94ea$782f7f20$5588aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > >P.S. In the Hellenic world Charlton Heston is known as Charlton Easton. > This > >is because in Greek heston meens turd > >Peter L > Hmmm. A wise people, the Greeks... >> >Yeah I guess you could say the same for the English They use the word >"Burke" >Check it out!!!! Ask a few of the fellows on this list. Lets not get into >name calling, >"I am the NRA" Life member and proud of it. > Best regards, > Jon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:48:27 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Web ring Message-ID: <200003232051.MAA07428@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> There appears to be a problem with the web ring host. I just received a message that my French site was "dropped" due to improper "code". However, I just checked that site, and the code is fine. Then I went to the web ring "home", and noticed that there are only 17 of the 23 sites I knew of listed, so it appears there's something wrong with the web ring software. I'm emailing the list to let those people as part of the ring know that just because you're not listed on the ring doesn't mean anything. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:52:50 GMT From: "Candice Uhlir" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot Rant from down under Message-ID: <20000323205250.66774.qmail@hotmail.com> Shane, No fear about any of us cancelling a trip to down under because of what the NRA says. Most people who slavishly follow our gun lobby in the states probably don't know where Australia is anyway!!! Even if they did know how to get over there, would your immigration authorities even let them into the country knowing those people probably married their first cousins? Candice (A California Liberal Female Extremist) >From: Shane Weier >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: ot Rant from down under >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:38:35 -0500 (EST) > >Hi guys, > >It has now become a long time wish that I have the good fortune to meet >some >of the list members on my home ground - here in Aussie. > >That being the case let me plead with you: > >Take no notice of that superannuated wanker (oops, actor) Charlton Heston, >when he carps on about rising crime rates in Australia. > >I neither care nor intend to express an opinion about whether Amricans >should be allowed to wander about with an M-60 under each arm, but when the >NRA resorts to lying about my country in a fashion which might affect our >prosperity (through falling tourism) I see red. > >1. No, we don't live in fear behind high walls. Take a picture of two such >houses and infer it's because we're scared? Then why not photograph my >suburb where the only houses with fences at all are ones with dogs - and >infer we're NOT scared. > >2. Armed robbery is up since the crackdown on guns. Yes, but only by the >same rate as the increase in population and armed robbery using *guns* is >down 40% > >3. Deaths by shooting due to all causes (suicidal, accidental, homicidal) >are down by 46% in three years. They forgot to mention that. > >The farrago of lies and misrepresentations that we were shown last night >has >made my usually cool blood boil. FWIW the "crackdown" on guns after the >Port >Arthur Massacre made semi-auto weapons illegal, and insisted that all gun >owners be licenced. Plenty of folk, including my kin, still legally own and >use guns for sport. The vast majority - 95% - of Australians agree with >these laws - and I'll bet that an even higher percentage are offended >today. > >Sorry about this guys - but if even one of you cancelled travel plans to Oz >over that bullshit campaign I'd go shoot Moses myself > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:52:05 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 Message-ID: <001e01bf950a$454f4de0$ec83aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Jon, Yaeh, I remember that was an insult, and I probably justify it too. If anyone knows the origin of this slander against us poor Burkes, please respond off-group - Peter, Shane, I'm expecting to hear from you especially! Dave "The world loves a bastard" - A. Rimmer, 'Red Dwarf' -----Original Message----- From: JVT7532@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 >In a message dated 3/23/2000 12:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, >wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: ><< From: "DAVID BURKE" > To: > Subject: Re: DC IPMS/ was: ot Rant from down under > Message-ID: <003a01bf94ea$782f7f20$5588aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > >P.S. In the Hellenic world Charlton Heston is known as Charlton Easton. > This > >is because in Greek heston meens turd > >Peter L > Hmmm. A wise people, the Greeks... >> >Yeah I guess you could say the same for the English They use the word "Burke" >Check it out!!!! Ask a few of the fellows on this list. Lets not get into >name calling, >"I am the NRA" Life member and proud of it. > Best regards, > Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:56:30 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 Message-ID: <001f01bf950a$4621e020$ec83aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Michael, Buddy, this thread started when he was on station, so let's keep a sense of topic and perspective. I don't think that this small outlet of patter is going to make us forget why we're all here, but yeah, let's shorten some of the static. I painted the wicker seat for my Camel - the one that I wove yesterday. I hope that the Copper State stuff gets here soon! DB -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:07 PM Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 >Allan, the list manager is on vacation so I think it is necessary to >maintain a modicom of decorum. > >I ask, therefore, that we confine our discussions to the issue at hand and >respect Allan's request. After all, he and his job are on the hook should >matters go awry. This list resides at the University of New Hampshire with >the understanding that its discussion contains some value in terms of >spreading ideas about history, engineering, aeronautical desgin etc. > >In no way do I want to discourage the friendly banter and "Good humoured" >comments that really help drive this list but let's all try to improve our >behaviour. > >Michael > > >>From: JVT7532@aol.com >> >>In a message dated 3/23/2000 12:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: >><< From: "DAVID BURKE" >> To: >> Subject: Re: DC IPMS/ was: ot Rant from down under >> Message-ID: <003a01bf94ea$782f7f20$5588aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >> >P.S. In the Hellenic world Charlton Heston is known as Charlton Easton. >> This >> >is because in Greek heston meens turd >> >Peter L >> Hmmm. A wise people, the Greeks... >> >>Yeah I guess you could say the same for the English They use the word >>"Burke" >>Check it out!!!! Ask a few of the fellows on this list. Lets not get into >>name calling, >>"I am the NRA" Life member and proud of it. >> Best regards, >> Jon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:19:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Starry nights WAS: ot Rant from down under Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1E72@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Peter, > I still maintain that if God were to choose which country He > should live in > He would choose Australia. If his experience were the same as > mine however, > He'd never get past the immigration department ;) NOW I'm curious. On what grounds did we reject you? Not criminal enough? Insufficiently deranged? (surely not!) Poor cricket player? I *have* to know. Also (OT) I have now seen a pic of Kallmunzers starry Alb D.Va which looks remarkably like Sigmans one. I am told that you'd be able to tell me in which book it features - so - which ? ! Also (for all) I have been discussing Jasta 78b offline and wondering whether we could find any other schemes. The only one I've found is a D.VII with blue fuselage and butterflies on the sides and top (in Jasta Pilots) - however, I guess we're really looking for Albatrii for a "line-up" Any ideas? Anyone? Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:16:51 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot Rant from down under:Enough is Enough Message-ID: <38DA89C2.695124A3@svsu.edu> Friends of the List: There are many issues we can probably argue about, but what's the point? It's the camaraderie based on our interests in modeling that keeps the list cohesive in the first place. Let's keep it that way. Matt Z. Candice Uhlir wrote: > Shane, > No fear about any of us cancelling a trip to down under because of what > the NRA says. Most people who slavishly follow our gun lobby in the states > probably don't know where Australia is anyway!!! Even if they did know how > to get over there, would your immigration authorities even let them into the > country knowing those people probably married their first cousins? > > Candice > (A California Liberal Female Extremist) > > >From: Shane Weier > >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: ot Rant from down under > >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:38:35 -0500 (EST) > > > >Hi guys, > > > >It has now become a long time wish that I have the good fortune to meet > >some > >of the list members on my home ground - here in Aussie. > > > >That being the case let me plead with you: > > > >Take no notice of that superannuated wanker (oops, actor) Charlton Heston, > >when he carps on about rising crime rates in Australia. > > > >I neither care nor intend to express an opinion about whether Amricans > >should be allowed to wander about with an M-60 under each arm, but when the > >NRA resorts to lying about my country in a fashion which might affect our > >prosperity (through falling tourism) I see red. > > > >1. No, we don't live in fear behind high walls. Take a picture of two such > >houses and infer it's because we're scared? Then why not photograph my > >suburb where the only houses with fences at all are ones with dogs - and > >infer we're NOT scared. > > > >2. Armed robbery is up since the crackdown on guns. Yes, but only by the > >same rate as the increase in population and armed robbery using *guns* is > >down 40% > > > >3. Deaths by shooting due to all causes (suicidal, accidental, homicidal) > >are down by 46% in three years. They forgot to mention that. > > > >The farrago of lies and misrepresentations that we were shown last night > >has > >made my usually cool blood boil. FWIW the "crackdown" on guns after the > >Port > >Arthur Massacre made semi-auto weapons illegal, and insisted that all gun > >owners be licenced. Plenty of folk, including my kin, still legally own and > >use guns for sport. The vast majority - 95% - of Australians agree with > >these laws - and I'll bet that an even higher percentage are offended > >today. > > > >Sorry about this guys - but if even one of you cancelled travel plans to Oz > >over that bullshit campaign I'd go shoot Moses myself > > > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** > >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. > >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > >************************************************************** > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:16:44 -0600 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ot Rant from down under Message-ID: I'm sorry, but this isn't the forum for this discussion. Mack -----Original Message----- From: Candice Uhlir [mailto:candiceuhlir@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ot Rant from down under Shane, No fear about any of us cancelling a trip to down under because of what the NRA says. Most people who slavishly follow our gun lobby in the states probably don't know where Australia is anyway!!! Even if they did know how to get over there, would your immigration authorities even let them into the country knowing those people probably married their first cousins? Candice (A California Liberal Female Extremist) >From: Shane Weier >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: ot Rant from down under >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:38:35 -0500 (EST) > >Hi guys, > >It has now become a long time wish that I have the good fortune to meet >some >of the list members on my home ground - here in Aussie. > >That being the case let me plead with you: > >Take no notice of that superannuated wanker (oops, actor) Charlton Heston, >when he carps on about rising crime rates in Australia. > >I neither care nor intend to express an opinion about whether Amricans >should be allowed to wander about with an M-60 under each arm, but when the >NRA resorts to lying about my country in a fashion which might affect our >prosperity (through falling tourism) I see red. > >1. No, we don't live in fear behind high walls. Take a picture of two such >houses and infer it's because we're scared? Then why not photograph my >suburb where the only houses with fences at all are ones with dogs - and >infer we're NOT scared. > >2. Armed robbery is up since the crackdown on guns. Yes, but only by the >same rate as the increase in population and armed robbery using *guns* is >down 40% > >3. Deaths by shooting due to all causes (suicidal, accidental, homicidal) >are down by 46% in three years. They forgot to mention that. > >The farrago of lies and misrepresentations that we were shown last night >has >made my usually cool blood boil. FWIW the "crackdown" on guns after the >Port >Arthur Massacre made semi-auto weapons illegal, and insisted that all gun >owners be licenced. Plenty of folk, including my kin, still legally own and >use guns for sport. The vast majority - 95% - of Australians agree with >these laws - and I'll bet that an even higher percentage are offended >today. > >Sorry about this guys - but if even one of you cancelled travel plans to Oz >over that bullshit campaign I'd go shoot Moses myself > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:23:12 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: dora9@sprynet.com Message-ID: <20000323212312.78306.qmail@hotmail.com> David: I agree with you about when this thing began but he was on his out the door, so to speak, and may not have been paying close attention. Jon's message started to become a little mean and personal. Now, I know that you are more than capable of defending yourself, but I don't think you should have to, and I need to read about wicker seats, PC-10, the colour of Von Erstwhile's spinner etc., and not a pro/anti-gun argument. The people who want to discuss that can do it on their own list. Mchael >From: "DAVID BURKE" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:08:23 -0500 (EST) > >Michael, > > Buddy, this thread started when he was on station, so let's keep a >sense >of topic and perspective. > > I don't think that this small outlet of patter is going to make us >forget why we're all here, but yeah, let's shorten some of the static. > > I painted the wicker seat for my Camel - the one that I wove >yesterday. >I hope that the Copper State stuff gets here soon! > > >DB >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Kendix >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:07 PM >Subject: Re: WWI digest 2211 > > > >Allan, the list manager is on vacation so I think it is necessary to > >maintain a modicom of decorum. > > > >I ask, therefore, that we confine our discussions to the issue at hand >and > >respect Allan's request. After all, he and his job are on the hook should > >matters go awry. This list resides at the University of New Hampshire >with > >the understanding that its discussion contains some value in terms of > >spreading ideas about history, engineering, aeronautical desgin etc. > > > >In no way do I want to discourage the friendly banter and "Good humoured" > >comments that really help drive this list but let's all try to improve >our > >behaviour. > > > >Michael > > > > > >>From: JVT7532@aol.com > >> > >>In a message dated 3/23/2000 12:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >>wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > >><< From: "DAVID BURKE" > >> To: > >> Subject: Re: DC IPMS/ was: ot Rant from down under > >> Message-ID: <003a01bf94ea$782f7f20$5588aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > >> >P.S. In the Hellenic world Charlton Heston is known as Charlton >Easton. > >> This > >> >is because in Greek heston meens turd > >> >Peter L > >> Hmmm. A wise people, the Greeks... >> > >>Yeah I guess you could say the same for the English They use the word > >>"Burke" > >>Check it out!!!! Ask a few of the fellows on this list. Lets not get >into > >>name calling, > >>"I am the NRA" Life member and proud of it. > >> Best regards, > >> Jon > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:34:34 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: First Vacs was:Southern Expo. Message-ID: Michael, This is only my third vacform, and the second isn't finished yet, so I'm no expert. But it is a nice petite model and looks fairly simple so I see no reason to not do it as your first (or third) vacform. There are no metal/resin parts, but as I paid 1.50 I'm not complaining. I intended to do a quick OOB model on this one. So far I've cut out the main components and cleaned them up. Biggest problem so far was losing the tailplane, eventually found it in the vacuum cleaner. I messed up the fin/rudder, so I am going to make new ones from plasticard. The engine cylinders on the sheet are crude, so I will probably find some bits from the spares box for these. The prop blades and spinner are three separate parts, I'm not sure yet whether I'll replace them or not. The gun is about as good as a vacform can get, so will be replaced. Anyone have any pictures of the 35hp Gnat engine? Regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Michael Kendix" > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:30:56 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Southern Expo. > >> From: Steve Cox >> >> nb Eastchurch Kitten > > > Steve: > > I would be most interested to hear how that is going; pitfalls, after market > parts etc. I was going to do it as my first vac and I saw Len's, which was > excellent, however, I was advised to select something else for a first vac. > > Michael > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2212 **********************