WWI Digest 2206 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: DML Fokker DrI by "Peter Leonard" 2) Re: ot U.S.S. Alabama/C.S.S. Alabama was Re: Weekend o'fun by Albatrosdv@aol.com 3) Re: Photoetching by smperry@mindspring.com 4) Photoetch again: by Robert Horton 5) Re: SPAD 12 info by Matthew Zivich 6) C&C on ebay by "Matthew Bittner" 7) OT rare pictures by "dfernet0" 8) Interesting on topic CD-ROM by "Matthew Bittner" 9) Re: SPAD 12 info by Matthew Zivich 10) Find the hole by "Harris, Mack" 11) Re: Weekend o' fun! by "DAVID BURKE" 12) Wiring In-line engines... was Fast Metal... by "Lance Krieg" 13) Re: Find the hole by "Lance Krieg" 14) Re: Weekend o' fun! by "DAVID BURKE" 15) Re: Weekend o' fun! by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: Find the hole by Allan Wright 17) Re: Find the hole by "DAVID BURKE" 18) Question for the UK listees by "Matthew Bittner" 19) Toko Berg question by "Matthew Bittner" 20) Re: Question for the UK listees by "Michael Kendix" 21) Re: Southern Expo. by "Len Smith" 22) Re: Find the hole by Lee Mensinger 23) Re: Weekend o' fun! by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Re: Southern Expo. by "Matthew Bittner" 25) Latest OtF by "Matthew Bittner" 26) RE: Latest OtF by Shane Weier 27) Re: Find the hole by Albatrosdv@aol.com 28) Bestell Number by Dave Watts 29) The Spirit Is Upon Me... - was : Weekend o' fun! by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Re: SPAD 12 info by "David Calhoun" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:18:34 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DML Fokker DrI Message-ID: <20000320171834.74564.qmail@hotmail.com> Lance quieries..."People are using RLM 65 Hellblau for the undersides... but isn't this too light for the "intense" turquiose that Fokker used?" FWIW I reckon you're right Lance. X-tra Colour have a "German Turquoise" in thier range and it looks nothing like helblau. If it looks like any ot colour it's more like RAF Sky, or a slightly darker shade of the US Vietnam era undersurface colour. Probably none of the original stuff survives so it's all conjecture anyway. cheers Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:24:51 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot U.S.S. Alabama/C.S.S. Alabama was Re: Weekend o'fun Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/100 10:54:19 AM EST, MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us writes: << named Kearsarge that served in WWI. The name was going to be used again for an Essex- class carrier, but the names kept getting changed and it was never done. >> There was in fact a USS Kearsarge Essex class carrier - CV-33, launched postwar - later one of the first dedicated anti-submarine carriers in the late 50s and 60s. It was once widely-known in the USN as the "Queer-barge," due to a fairly-notorious sex scandal that happened aboard in 1961 - I think the nickname fully explains things. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:35:11 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Photoetching Message-ID: <002701bf9292$a56fa0a0$100d56d1@default> However, I disagree > with using trees - one of the advantages of doing your own etching is > that you don't have to try and cut the wretched things off a tree! You > peel the completed part off the tape backing and that's it. > > Dave Fletcher Absolutely correct Dave. The learning curve is starting it's upward bend and that is one of the first things I learned. When you etch from one side only, you don't need to attach the parts. In addition to xeroxing a design onto an OHP transparency, an ink jet ptinter can use ink jet transparencies for the negative image. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:44:14 -0600 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Photoetch again: Message-ID: <38D6636E.DBC3AF9C@netexpress.net> Group: Thanks for the replies to my query. The article from Shawn and the pix and hands on infor from Steven were very interesting...my main problem didn't seem to stem from laying out a design...I used the Radio Shack kit with photo resist pen, etc. I did make a crude first attempt test and my problem resulted in the Ferric Chloride that came in the kit just absoslutely doing literally nothing. I used room temp, solution and then tried warming slightly...after about two days soak time, the brass and latter an attempt on thin copper foil looked like it had laid out on I -80 and every "Kitty Whomper in North America had run over it...maybe was old solution. One other quicky, from Fine Scale Modeler article some several years ago..they suggested writing for two tech. bulletins produced by Kodak to support their PE products...can't get them, probably too many liability problems with usage...anyway many thanks folks..Bob Horton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:58:07 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD 12 info Message-ID: <38D666AF.D4A6841F@svsu.edu> Dave , Let me know if you acquire any information as listed. I'm converting this one too. Matt Z. David Calhoun wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF91A8.E6DC6540 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi all,=20 > Seems that no one can find any drawings or photos of the SPAD 12 = > interior. I have a list of backissues of WW 1 Aero magazine that has a = > few items of interest, but I don't have any of the issues. If anyone = > has these, can they check the listed items and make copies or scans for = > me? > #88 feb 82 has 37mm cannon in Hispano-Suiza K > #145 Aug 94 Engines (cannon thru propellers) > #133 Aug 91 Cockpit index of all items since #33 (does it have any for = > SPAD 12?) > Also of interest to me is #104 Apr 85 with Nungesser's Nieuport 17 and = > Fonck's Spads. > Thanks all, > Dave Calhoun > > ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF91A8.E6DC6540 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >

Hi all,

Seems that no one can find any = > drawings or=20 > photos of the SPAD 12 interior. I have a list of backissues of WW = > 1 Aero=20 > magazine that has a few items of interest, but I don't have any of the=20 > issues. If anyone has these, can they check the listed items and = > make=20 > copies or scans for me?

#88 feb 82 has 37mm cannon in = > Hispano-Suiza=20 > K

#145 Aug 94 Engines (cannon thru=20 > propellers)

#133 Aug 91 Cockpit index of all = > items since #33=20 > (does it have any for SPAD 12?)

Also of interest to me is #104 Apr = > 85 with=20 > Nungesser's Nieuport 17 and Fonck's Spads.

Thanks all,

Dave = > Calhoun

> > ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF91A8.E6DC6540-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:23:54 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: C&C on ebay Message-ID: <200003201924.NAA25642@mail2.neonramp.com> Here's part three of Project Butterfly, if anyone is looking: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=286929883 Starting at a resonable price of US$8.50. Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:23:42 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: OT rare pictures Message-ID: <016a01bf92a1$cd8b1f60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> This is for the zeppelin modelers on the list: http://www.greatwar.com/ARCHIVES/us007bs_German_Airship_crew.JPG And this one for the figure modelers -in any scale!- http://www.greatwar.com/ARCHIVES/us006as_German_120IR.JPG D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:44:30 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Interesting on topic CD-ROM Message-ID: <200003201945.NAA05302@mail1.neonramp.com> AMERICA IN FRANCE 1917-1919: the Engineering Corps of the American Expeditionary Forces It's a CD-ROM "book" I just discovered. I'm in the process now of surfin' their site: http://www.Proculture.com/ Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:43:52 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD 12 info Message-ID: <38D67F78.318D3B36@svsu.edu> Dave, My computer (Netscape) can't decipher your last message. Is there some other way you can send it? Matt Z. David Calhoun wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF91A8.E6DC6540 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi all,=20 > Seems that no one can find any drawings or photos of the SPAD 12 = > interior. I have a list of backissues of WW 1 Aero magazine that has a = > few items of interest, but I don't have any of the issues. If anyone = > has these, can they check the listed items and make copies or scans for = > me? > #88 feb 82 has 37mm cannon in Hispano-Suiza K > #145 Aug 94 Engines (cannon thru propellers) > #133 Aug 91 Cockpit index of all items since #33 (does it have any for = > SPAD 12?) > Also of interest to me is #104 Apr 85 with Nungesser's Nieuport 17 and = > Fonck's Spads. > Thanks all, > Dave Calhoun > > ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF91A8.E6DC6540 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >

Hi all,

#88 feb 82 has 37mm cannon in = > Hispano-Suiza=20 > K

#145 Aug 94 Engines (cannon thru=20 > propellers)

#133 Aug 91 Cockpit index of all = > items since #33=20 > (does it have any for SPAD 12?)

Also of interest to me is #104 Apr = > 85 with=20 > Nungesser's Nieuport 17 and Fonck's Spads.

Thanks all,

Dave = > Calhoun

> > ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF91A8.E6DC6540-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:58:58 -0600 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'World War I'" Subject: Find the hole Message-ID: I am currently building DML's Fokker DVIII. I'm planning on using the supplied lozenge decals for the fuselage. While I was drilling the holes for the rudder and elevator cables I begin to think (a dangerous proposition in itself) "once I cover these holes with decal how will I find them again? Maybe this is something I shouldn't worry about as when it happens it will be obvious where the holes are but maybe not. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:56:32 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Weekend o' fun! Message-ID: <000e01bf92a6$6aab4960$3f85aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Brent wrote: >(For ya'll across the pond I am refering to the C.S.S. Alabama which was >sunk by the U.S.S. Kearsarge during the American Civil War. Well the >English may know of the Alabama because I think she was built in Britain.) > >Brent > Nice one Brent, and to bring it OT let me clarify: The C.S.S. Alabama was built in England and armed in France. She was the most notorious commerce raider of the American Civil War, and was commanded by Capt. Raphael Semmes. She was, as Brent noted, sunk by the U.S.S. Kearsarge off the coast of France. After the War, the British government under Gladstone (I don't think it was Disraeli) gave the U.S. government something like 10 or 20 million dollars in reparations for the ships and cargo she had sunk. The result of this action was that the U.S. was very impressed and grateful to Britain - previously we had been fairly cold to England, stemming from the invasion of 1812 and their vacillation during the Civil War - and this act solidified the relations between our two countries. And of course, this meant that we were more inclined to help them out when the Great War started. The Lusitania may have outraged the U.S. populace, but the diplomatic situation and our alliance, thanks to Gladstone's foresight, made things even better. DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:04:59 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Wiring In-line engines... was Fast Metal... Message-ID: Fernando is wiring an engine and struggles: " getting those @*&%#^! wires to stay just where I put them on the distributer cap?" I just finished this chore, myself, and can definitely sympathize; about 4 hours to wire the plugs and the distributors on a 150 HP Benz Bz.III. If you don't mind a lengthy description, read on... FWIW, I proceeded as follows: 1. Poke (not drill) the distributor and spark plug holes with a needle; the tapered hole will provide some friction to grip the wires. 2. Use copper wire: it bends easily, but retains any curves or kinks induced with tweezers. I've got some that's about .005. 3. Use heat-stretched plastic tube for the wire chase along the cylinders Often this is molded on, but I remove it and glue on this substitute if enough of the engine is exposed to make it worth wiring the distributor. Besides looking better, it'll help in the gluing. 4. Introduce the distributor wires into the tube, but do not glue them; one at a time pull enough of the wire as will be needed out of the tube, crimp a small bend in the end, apply thick CA to the end, and insert tnto the distributor. The tube prevents the loose end from flapping around, and greatly aids in the positioniong and gluing of the wire. 4. When all the wires have been added to the distributor, feed the excess length back into the tube and freeze the lot with an application of thin CA. 5. Flood the face of the distributor with a drop of thin CA, and then wick up the excess with the corner of a tissue. This re-seats any wires that may have been traumatized earlier in the process. 6. Introduce the sparkplug wires into the holes in the cylinders, and poke the other ends down behind the tube/wire chase or into the foreward end of the tube, as demanded by the prototype engine is question. Secure both ends with CA. 7. Build up the sparkplug body (and distributor wire attachment, if required) using thinned body putty or white glue. This is a lot easier - and stronger - than trying to cement the wire to the tip of a pre-built plug. 8. Paint to suit. Hope that helps... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:07:02 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Find the hole Message-ID: "once I cover these holes with decal how will I find them again?" Don't worry, Mack, you'll see them easily if you use any setting solution at all. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:00:34 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Weekend o' fun! Message-ID: <004d01bf92a7$6ba914e0$3f85aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Robert Karr wrote: >They're sorta, kinda nominally 1/28. I worked it out a long time ago, and the >Camel is something odd like 1/27.2375 or 1/29.1972- close enough for me. >Helpful comments? BUILD 'EM. These old kits have potential. >RK Hey Guy, I have already removed the interior detail and have built the framing for inside the cockpit. Fully scratchbuilt interior in order here, with help from Copper State (Eric, the order is forthcoming). Should have alot of the woodwork done today, including forming the plywood deck and side panels from wood veneer. I'll take pics! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:02:31 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Weekend o' fun! Message-ID: <004e01bf92a7$6d2b2100$3f85aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >DB > >> Well, this weekend I got to Head Judge the contest at the U.S.S. >> Alabama. > >You had me chuckling merrily until I realised that perhaps the American >ships have different names for the most important section of their ships. >On a British ship the Head(s) are the toilets/bogs (sorry Alan) !!! > >Regards Len. Apparently I did a good enough job not to be confined to the crapper! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Find the hole Message-ID: <200003202014.PAA04851@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I am currently building DML's Fokker DVIII. I'm planning on using the > supplied lozenge decals for the fuselage. While I was drilling the holes > for the rudder and elevator cables I begin to think (a dangerous proposition > in itself) "once I cover these holes with decal how will I find them again? > Maybe this is something I shouldn't worry about as when it happens it will > be obvious where the holes are but maybe not. > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. With the appropriate amount of decal softner they will sag into the holes and not be a problem. At least this is my experience. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:06:09 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Find the hole Message-ID: <005901bf92a7$bcfc2c60$3f85aec7@dora9sprynet.com> The suggestion to use stiing film is good, and also sometimes when I know that a decal is covering a hole, I wait until the decal is fully dry, and then I press the area with a fingertip. This usually outlines the hole and I can open it with a knife point. DB -----Original Message----- From: Harris, Mack To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Find the hole >I am currently building DML's Fokker DVIII. I'm planning on using the >supplied lozenge decals for the fuselage. While I was drilling the holes >for the rudder and elevator cables I begin to think (a dangerous proposition >in itself) "once I cover these holes with decal how will I find them again? >Maybe this is something I shouldn't worry about as when it happens it will >be obvious where the holes are but maybe not. >Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:43:24 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Question for the UK listees Message-ID: <200003202043.OAA27693@mail2.neonramp.com> I was reading Tom Wictor's build of the Toko Pfalz D.XII in Windsock, and he mentions using "clingfilm" in cockpit openings and the like. Is this the same as "saran wrap" - or the plastic "film" one uses to cover crockery when re-heating? TIA!! Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:43:56 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Toko Berg question Message-ID: <200003202044.OAA07398@mail1.neonramp.com> Has anyone tried to correct the Toko Aviatik Berg D.I, and if so, how did you do it? TIA! Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:13:59 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Question for the UK listees Message-ID: <20000320211359.74693.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Matthew Bittner" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Question for the UK listees >Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:49:40 -0500 (EST) > >I was reading Tom Wictor's build of the Toko Pfalz D.XII in Windsock, >and he mentions using "clingfilm" in cockpit openings and the like. Is >this the same as "saran wrap" - or the plastic "film" one uses to cover >crockery when re-heating? TIA!! > > Exactly, yes. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:27:18 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Southern Expo. Message-ID: <000201bf92b6$86553ee0$cc4f08c3@mesh> Matt, Spad 12 seems a way down the line, next up looks like being the BE2e followed by the DH4. Perhaps they are doing them in numerical order ? :-) Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Southern Expo. > On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:10:19 -0500 (EST), Len Smith wrote: > > > Did you see the BE2e fuselage on the Pegasus stand? Looks > > like nice thin sides, so I ordered one. > > Did Pegasus have anything on the SPAD 12? > > > Matt Bittner > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:59:01 -0600 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Find the hole Message-ID: <38D69F25.439ADE14@wireweb.net> Mack, if the decal is properly applied and it sinks down into the detail it will make a "dimple" where the hole is located. That is how I find them anyway. Lee "Harris, Mack" wrote: > I am currently building DML's Fokker DVIII. I'm planning on using the > supplied lozenge decals for the fuselage. While I was drilling the holes > for the rudder and elevator cables I begin to think (a dangerous proposition > in itself) "once I cover these holes with decal how will I find them again? > Maybe this is something I shouldn't worry about as when it happens it will > be obvious where the holes are but maybe not. > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:58:47 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Weekend o' fun! Message-ID: <90.1f5e303.2607f917@aol.com> In a message dated 3/20/00 12:12:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << I have already removed the interior detail and have built the framing for inside the cockpit. Fully scratchbuilt interior in order here, with help from Copper State (Eric, the order is forthcoming). Should have alot of the woodwork done today, including forming the plywood deck and side panels from wood veneer. I'll take pics! DB >> Allright! PICS! It's been a long time since I did the Camel, and I've been wanting to dig into it, but I'm afraid once I get started, it would turn into one of those 4 month ordeals...like I said- potential. The kit is practically begging to be tarted up over every single molecule of her being. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:11:39 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Southern Expo. Message-ID: <200003202314.PAA02505@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:55:46 -0500 (EST), Len Smith wrote: > Spad 12 seems a way down the line, next up looks like being the BE2e > followed by the DH4. Perhaps they are doing them in numerical order ? :-) Once again, the French subjects lose out. Bummer! Then again, it's not like I have a Carl Sagan worth of kits, or anything... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:13:32 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Latest OtF Message-ID: <200003202316.PAA04040@crow.a001.sprintmail.com> Vol 14 No 4 of Over the Front showed up today. Once again "Legs" provides some awesome color profiles. Hey, Bob, those red Storks look familiar! ;-) A decent issue (finally! something on the French! ;-) especially if you like Dutch WW1 aircraft. Sure wish I could make it to Pensacola this year... :`-( Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:38:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Latest OtF Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1E49@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > Vol 14 No 4 of Over the Front showed up today. Once again "Legs" > provides some awesome color profiles. Hey, Bob, those red Storks look > familiar! ;-) Yup, self portraits from the backside down.... Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. 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Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:10:19 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Subject: Bestell Number Message-ID: <200003210211.VAA96916@ind.cioe.com> Hi all, I can't recall who was the German Bestell aircraft serial number expert, but if anyone could enlighten me as to the aircraft type that carried serial number 9167/17, I would be most thankful. Best Wishes, Dave Watts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:27:20 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: The Spirit Is Upon Me... - was : Weekend o' fun! Message-ID: <001801bf92dd$004ae800$cb94aec7@dora9sprynet.com> > I have already removed the interior detail and have built the framing > for inside the cockpit. Fully scratchbuilt interior in order here, with > help from Copper State (Eric, the order is forthcoming). Should have alot > of the woodwork done today, including forming the plywood deck and side > panels from wood veneer. I'll take pics! > > > DB >> > > Allright! PICS! >It's been a long time since I did the Camel, and I've been wanting to dig >into it, but I'm afraid once I get started, it would turn into one of those 4 >month ordeals...like I said- potential. The kit is practically begging to be >tarted up over every single molecule of her being. >RK Hmmm, maybe not EVERY molecule. I put the veneer deck on her and it looks good! The side panels are next, and then I'll insert the cockpit (gotta scratch a wicker seat - in this scale PE won't do it) after I add all of the control gear and instruments. I just made the large fuel tank. I will have all of the fuel lines and pumps to add, but I think that I might use the kit wind-driven pump and add a scratchbuilt prop for it. I know that the struts are all too long, so I'll have to substitute with either wood or Strutz or something. My next concentration will be on the landing gear to spritz it up. I'm going to take most of the wing detail off to thin the wings some; the rib detail is too pronounced - I'll add rib tapes with graphic art tape. I ordered one of Eric's decal sheets for the Camel, but I may just use the roundels: in 1/28 scale, I should be able to mask and paint markings, or raid them from the spares box. Although I like some of the RNAS schemes, the ones that I have seen look like they painted their exposed woodwork with battleship gray and I just spent all that time putting that pretty wooden deck on her! Plenty of dazzling schemes available nonetheless! Well, gotta go put the bracing wires between the gusset plates on the fuselage frame.... THE SPIRIT IS UPON ME!!! My last completed kit was a (beautiful) 1-oh-thingie and my soul needs to be HEALED!! Hallelujah! Bracing wires!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:37:11 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: "Multiple recipients of list" , Subject: Re: SPAD 12 info Message-ID: <001a01bf92f7$830fee60$86e23ccc@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF92B4.73523840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: David Calhoun To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, March 19, 2000 1:42 PM Subject: SPAD 12 info=20 =20 =20 Hi all,=20 Seems that no one can find any drawings or photos of the SPAD 12 = interior. I have a list of backissues of WW 1 Aero magazine that has a = few items of interest, but I don't have any of the issues. If anyone = has these, can they check the listed items and make copies or scans for = me? #88 feb 82 has 37mm cannon in Hispano-Suiza K #145 Aug 94 Engines (cannon thru propellers) #133 Aug 91 Cockpit index of all items since #33 (does it have any = for SPAD 12?) Also of interest to me is #104 Apr 85 with Nungesser's Nieuport 17 = and Fonck's Spads. Thanks all, Dave Calhoun ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF92B4.73523840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From:=20 David Calhoun <dcalhoun01@snet.net>
To:= =20 Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date:=20 Sunday, March 19, 2000 1:42 PM
Subject: SPAD 12 info=20

Hi all,

Seems that no one can find any = drawings or=20 photos of the SPAD 12 interior. I have a list of backissues of = WW 1=20 Aero magazine that has a few items of interest, but I don't have any = of the=20 issues. If anyone has these, can they check the listed items = and make=20 copies or scans for me?

#88 feb 82 has 37mm cannon in = Hispano-Suiza=20 K

#145 Aug 94 Engines (cannon thru = propellers)

#133 Aug 91 Cockpit index of all = items since=20 #33 (does it have any for SPAD 12?)

Also of interest to me is #104 = Apr 85 with=20 Nungesser's Nieuport 17 and Fonck's Spads.

Thanks all,

Dave=20 Calhoun

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