WWI Digest 2197

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: RE: The Lozenge Conundrum
	by "Ray Boorman" <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
  2) Re: <chuckle> Ebay
	by "David Calhoun" <dcalhoun01@snet.net>
  3) RE: <chuckle> Ebay & Pflaz D.XII lozenge
	by Otisgood@aol.com
  4) Re: decal water holding tank
	by Albatrosdv@aol.com
  5) Re: decal water holding tank
	by Otisgood@aol.com
  6) Shane's D.V control column
	by "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  7) Re: <chuckle> Ebay
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
  8) Re: New to you?
	by fedders <pfed@saladin.wustl.edu>
  9) New Squadron reviews
	by "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 10) Re: Spad XIII rigging
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 11) RE: The Lozenge Conundrum
	by fedders <pfed@saladin.wustl.edu>
 12) 
	by fedders <pfed@saladin.wustl.edu>
 13) Re: British WWI Aircraft in the Polish Air Force 
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
 14) Re: decal water holding tank
	by Suvoroff@aol.com
 15) ICM 1/72 E-IV's - a first look
	by BStett3770@aol.com
 16) Ja Po book
	by "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 17) Re: <chuckle> Ebay & Pflaz D.XII lozenge
	by Lyle Lamboley <lyle.lamboley@juno.com>
 18) Re: decal water holding tank
	by Lyle Lamboley <lyle.lamboley@juno.com>
 19) Re: decal water holding tank
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 20) Re: decal water holding tank
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 21) Lozenge question
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 22) Re: Photo Etch
	by "Roger Belanger" <rogerb1@worldnet.att.net>
 23) Re: ICM 1/72 E-IV's - a first look
	by "Richard Eaton" <REATON@austin.rr.com>
 24) Re: Flashback and Toko Strutters
	by "Roger Belanger" <rogerb1@worldnet.att.net>
 25) Lozenge application question
	by "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 26) RE: decal water holding tank
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 27) RE: The Lozenge Conundrum
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 28) RE: Flashback and Toko Strutters
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 29) Re: Lozenge application question
	by Otisgood@aol.com
 30) Re: Flashback and Toko Strutters
	by Pedro e Francisca <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
 31) RE: RE: The Lozenge Conundrum
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:24:03 -0800
From: "Ray Boorman" <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: RE: The Lozenge Conundrum
Message-ID: <00a201bf8ea3$426cc020$9b1335d1@bconnected.net>

Sorry I should have stated but my point was about the Champlin DXII that you
quoted in the attached email,  as you stated the colours were peculiar. The
NASM Albatros is a very different subject and that was one I was alluding to
as being well researched in that they went hog wild on the research.

Also as Shane said you should be careful on the book, since the colours in
pictures,  lozenge strips etc are going to be shades different than the real
thing and my in fact change on printings of the book. Don't you love wwi
colours even the references and real aircraft can be called into question.

Ray

----- Original Message -----
From: <Otisgood@aol.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: RE: The Lozenge Conundrum


> Ray,
> The NASM book details the resoration process, particularly the work on the
lozenge. They actually removed the original lozenge from the wings and
stored it between sheets of paper. Of course, the fabric was in horrible
condition (in shreds in some cases), but apparently in good enough condition
to determine that it was 5 color and applied chordwise. I assume enough
> of it was stitched together to determine the alternating application
method. Great book. I highly recommend it not only fo rthe lozenge but also
great color shots of the cockpit.
>


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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:35:15 -0800
From: "David Calhoun" <dcalhoun01@snet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: <chuckle> Ebay
Message-ID: <002c01bf9050$4f087140$4a083ccc@oemcomputer>

I have the PKZ kit, it was released in the same series as the DFW Floh.  It
is the early Eduard moldings with lots of thick sprue attachment points,
metal engines and photoetch.  This was a test aircraft, and was never used
in combat.  Windsock has a mini datafile on it.  Mine is sitting in a box in
the cellar, so I can't comment on accuracy.
Dave Calhoun
-----Original Message-----
From: Harris, Mack <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: <chuckle> Ebay


>Did anyone look up his other auctions and see the PKZ helo from WWI?  I've
>never seen this kit or heard of it, anyone have or build it?  Also if you
>look on the picture of that auction
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=283200866 and look
up
>in the upper right corner under the Eduard logo it says "Never fighting
>ladies"?  Any ideas or is this just a prank?
>Mack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 9:54 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: <chuckle> Ebay
>
> Someone on ebay is trying to sell the 1/48th Merlin Albatros
>D.II for
> $23.  <chuckle>
>
>
> Matt Bittner
> http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
> http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook
>
>



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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:54:55 EST
From: Otisgood@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: <chuckle> Ebay & Pflaz D.XII lozenge
Message-ID: <97.3025a41.2601286f@aol.com>

FWIW,
I've seen photos of DXIIs in both 5 and 4 color lozenge. If I remember correctly, the Blue Max DXII kit gives markings for 2 versions and I think one has 5  color and one has 4 color. Somebody check me on that.

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:07:50 EST
From: Albatrosdv@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: decal water holding tank
Message-ID: <b0.287bd5c.26012b76@aol.com>

I never thought I would live to see all the contortions so many of you go 
through on this simple item.  :-)

Anybody ever thought of just using a bowl??????


Tom Cleaver

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:20:20 EST
From: Otisgood@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: decal water holding tank
Message-ID: <6.34e29d8.26012e64@aol.com>

Not only have I thought of it, but I actually used some clear glass cereal bowls for several years until my wife started complaining that my decaling was leaving a residue in them(I think it was just hard water). Now I use a small plastic Kraft spreadable cream cheese container. No complaints about residue.

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:47:50 -0600
From: "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Shane's D.V control column
Message-ID: <200003151848.MAA01191@mail2.neonramp.com>

I have finally added Shane's 1/72nd D.V control column to my sprint
site:

http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/

Sorry for the delay, Shane.


Matt Bittner
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook



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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:52:48 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: <chuckle> Ebay
Message-ID: <00ca01bf8eb0$fd55a520$ae93aec7@dora9sprynet.com>

Hi Mack,

    The 'Never Fighting Ladies' series of kits was released by Eduard a
while back.  The helo kit is pretty easy to find, and from time to time I
see the Floh as well.  IIRC, wasn't the Albatripe also originally in the
series?

    Sprue gates that could be used as structural elements for a box-girder
bridge, PE, the works.  "NFL" (ooh) is not a prank.

                                                                        DB
-----Original Message-----
From: Harris, Mack <MackH@Health.State.OK.US>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: <chuckle> Ebay


>Did anyone look up his other auctions and see the PKZ helo from WWI?  I've
>never seen this kit or heard of it, anyone have or build it?  Also if you
>look on the picture of that auction
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=283200866 and look
up
>in the upper right corner under the Eduard logo it says "Never fighting
>ladies"?  Any ideas or is this just a prank?
>Mack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 9:54 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: <chuckle> Ebay
>
> Someone on ebay is trying to sell the 1/48th Merlin Albatros
>D.II for
> $23.  <chuckle>
>
>
> Matt Bittner
> http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
> http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook
>


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:20:52 -0600 (CST)
From: fedders <pfed@saladin.wustl.edu>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: New to you?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.1000315131926.16545A-100000@saladin.wustl.edu>



On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Witold Kozakiewicz wrote:

> Have you any information about this planes (Aviatik 30.40 and WKF D.I)
> AFAIK WKF was rival of Alb.D.III(oef) as fighter for A-H air forces and
> lost  competition. Could anyone say something more?
> 
>            Witold Kozakiewicz
> 

neither was operational.  I seem to recall that the WKF D.I had an engine 
that was difficult to manufacture and by late 1918 AH engine 
manufacturing had justabout halted be cause of a lack of high grade materials

peter


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:55:39 -0600
From: "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: New Squadron reviews
Message-ID: <200003151956.NAA29799@mail1.neonramp.com>

C'mon people.  Some of you are holding out. :-)

John Huggins reviews the MAC Fokker E.IV:
http://www.squadron.com/Fok%20E.IV%20Review

Brent Theobald reviews the Toko Sopwith Snipe (and watch for other reviews from him soon):
http://www.squadron.com/Sopwith%20Snipe%20Review



Matt Bittner
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm
http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook



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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:44:48 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Spad XIII rigging
Message-ID: <s8cf93db.091@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Matt asks about SPAD rigging:

" two wires (instead of just one) that run from each end ...[of] the Spad XIII... it almost looks like these wires are either incased in some time of a sleeve or are just one flat wire."

IIRC there are doubled flying wires, and they ARE in a sleeve or fairing.  Note that the very front "cabane" struts are ALSO wires with a wooden sleeve or fairing around them, and not solid members.

When I modeled the SPAD, I replicated the cabane with a plastic tube around a piece of wire.  Because of the length of the span on the flying wires, I think I just doubled them up, and let their natural propinquity serve as a "thicker" wire.

But that was a while ago, and I'm getting forgetful...

Lance


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:45:27 -0600 (CST)
From: fedders <pfed@saladin.wustl.edu>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: The Lozenge Conundrum
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.1000315144348.16795A-100000@saladin.wustl.edu>



I bought samples of the Halberstadt lozenge fabric when it was for sale.

Americals is pretty darn close.

Furtherm I have had trouble with the Pegasus lozenge because of the sharp 
ridges.  If you put a cross over the lozenge, the ridges show through !

peter



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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:47:15 -0600 (CST)
From: fedders <pfed@saladin.wustl.edu>
To: models <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.1000315144608.16817A-100000@saladin.wustl.edu>


Is it true that Cyg is selling all of his Halberstadt kits through eBay 
because he can get between $100 and $500 for them?



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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:59:56 -0800
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: British WWI Aircraft in the Polish Air Force 
Message-ID: <200003152102.NAA18112@mail.rapidnet.net>

AFAIK there was only a couple of Camels evaluated by the Poles - I have one
profiled on my site/CD. They also used the DH9 and Bristol F2b (visible at
the same place).

I would be interested to find out more about this magazine as well.

Regards,
       Bob Pearson

Visit my WW1 Aviation page
http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1

For the CBR/RNP Profile page visit
http://members.xoom.com/profileart/

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http://www.internetmodeler.com


----------
>From: "Jared Anthony Zichek" <jzichek@hotmail.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>Subject: British WWI Aircraft in the Polish Air Force
>Date: Wed, 15 Mar, 2000, 9:02 AM
>

> Hi All,
>
> De-lurking for a moment here to pose a question: what's the scoop on the
> above special recently published by Mushroom Model Magazine out of the UK? I
> saw it listed with Squadron Mail Order. Is it worth having? Does it have
> copious amounts of color profiles of Camels and such in Polish livery?
>
> Just curious,
>
> Jared Zichek
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:16:25 EST
From: Suvoroff@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: decal water holding tank
Message-ID: <29.279b3b0.260157a9@aol.com>

Peter Leonard wrote;
     "...usually a saucer, but I have been known to suck 'em."

I have been known to put the smaller ones in my mouth too.  Come on people!  
Don't be ashamed to admit doing this!

Yours,
James D. Gray

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:21:14 EST
From: BStett3770@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: ICM 1/72 E-IV's - a first look
Message-ID: <55.3531ef9.260166da@aol.com>

Hi Guy

Just got the ICM Fokker  E. IV  & Pfalz E. IV

WOW!

Kits are well molded in a green plastic.

They both look very nice in the bags.

The Fokker E. IV is the 3 gun version & looks like this is the only way it 
can be built (Yes, I know we all have putty) Engine is mush better then most 
kits, l/g very nice & thin, some interior parts ,( stick, seat, etc.) The 
only draw back is the wing ribbing, a bit over done (nothing the sanding 
can't fix) decals basic national markings & FOK. EIV 189/16 codes - but don't 
give the decals for the cover art white & black X. Also a nice clear wind 
screen molding 
All in a real nice kit - price is right -

The Pfalz is the same type of parts, with the same over done ribbing, two gun 
version. basic decals with serial code (to darn small for me to read)

Over all both kits are great, and a super price.

Images of the box art on my website - under new stuff & ICM W.W.I listings

www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby

Looks like Toko didn't die and leave us in a void - with theses & the new 
Eduards 1/72 kits - we idy bity scalers are doing well . 

One last note, but the ICM Fokker E. IV  -forget the Mac Models kit its a dog 

Keep Modeling
Barry
Rosemont Hobby

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:26:36 -0600
From: "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Ja Po book
Message-ID: <200003152229.OAA08810@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com>

Has anybody else heard when the new Ja Po book on the Aviatik is due? 
Any of our Polish/Czech contingent?


Matt Bittner
http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm



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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:32:16 -0500
From: Lyle Lamboley <lyle.lamboley@juno.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: <chuckle> Ebay & Pflaz D.XII lozenge
Message-ID: <20000315.173218.-150969.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com>

Otis,
> FWIW,
> I've seen photos of DXIIs in both 5 and 4 color lozenge. If I 
> remember correctly, the Blue Max DXII kit gives markings for 2 
> versions and I think one has 5  color and one has 4 color. Somebody 
> check me on that.

Right, the Blue Max kit's two versions are for Kammerer's of Jasta 35 and
Paul Vogel of Jasta 23b.  There are pictures of Vogel's D.XII in Flight
magazine from 1918 after it was shot down with its wings fairly intact,
so the lozenge type could be determined, but the only shot of Kammerer's
is of the fuselage waiting for reassembly or the post-war pyre.  Is that
one from a production batch that definitely used 5-color fabric?
Lyle

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:39:44 -0500
From: Lyle Lamboley <lyle.lamboley@juno.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: decal water holding tank
Message-ID: <20000315.173946.-150969.1.lyle.lamboley@juno.com>

Tom Cleaver comments on this witless prattle: (well, not too witless)

> I never thought I would live to see all the contortions so many of 
> you go 
> through on this simple item.  :-)
> 
> Anybody ever thought of just using a bowl??????
>
YES!!!! I AM GUILTY OF DOING IT THE EASY WAY!  Forgive me, all.  ;-)
Lyle

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:32:01 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: decal water holding tank
Message-ID: <003001bf8ece$f01e7bc0$0685aec7@dora9sprynet.com>

Ewww! How can you put decals in your mouth?  You don't know where that mouth
has been!


DB
-----Original Message-----
From: Suvoroff@aol.com <Suvoroff@aol.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: decal water holding tank


>Peter Leonard wrote;
>     "...usually a saucer, but I have been known to suck 'em."
>
>I have been known to put the smaller ones in my mouth too.  Come on people!
>Don't be ashamed to admit doing this!
>
>Yours,
>James D. Gray


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:36:41 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: decal water holding tank
Message-ID: <003101bf8ece$f18e3860$0685aec7@dora9sprynet.com>




>I never thought I would live to see all the contortions so many of you go
>through on this simple item.  :-)
>
>Anybody ever thought of just using a bowl??????
>


...And lo, upon these great words of Truth, the ground shook, the clouds
parted, a great trumpet was sounded and the mists swirled up around the
great TC, lifting him up, and the people bowed down, as the esteemed
gentleman was elevated.  When the mist cleared, it was seen that he was
wearing the gold star of common sense and yea, they bowed down to him,
crying:

A bowl.  Why didn't we think of that?


;)

                                                                        DB

                                Who will hurt less if the insurance company
fixes my bike!


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:44:00 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Lozenge question
Message-ID: <003801bf8ecf$f61f8ae0$0685aec7@dora9sprynet.com>

Hey Guys,

    All this lozenge talk makes me ask: in most of my DF's, the table at the
end states that most A/C used 4 or 5  color loz.  My question is, was this
on a 'what's available' basis?  I mean, would it be possible that the
factories got both, and used what was around?  And were there cases where
BOTH 4 AND 5 color were seen on the same A/C?  I mean, I would have to
believe that there were cases where a replacement wing or tailplane had on
them differing types of loz - I doubt that they would balk on fixing an
airframe because of being anally retentive.  Also, might there have been A/C
that were covered with different types of loz during manufacture?  Like at a
Fokker plant where the wing is being covered with 4-color and they run out
with nothing handy but 5 color, and so they finish the job with that?

    This is why accidents are bad for me - the pain medication makes me ask
such questions!

                                                                    DB


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:24:54 -0500
From: "Roger Belanger" <rogerb1@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Photo Etch
Message-ID: <007301bf8ede$f53f1820$3ca24d0c@rogerb1>

I think that I will stick with the more run of the mill kits, I tried the
skeletal kit of the Edouard Fokker DVIII and I got as far as opening the
package, By the time I tried to carefully open it the kit parts were all
bent beyond repair..........Roger B
----- Original Message -----
From: <Otisgood@aol.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Photo Etch


> Roger,
> I sometimes have trouble seeing them in 1/48 scale. I can't imagine
working
> with it in 1/72. Although I envy the variety available in 72, it's not
worth
> the trouble to me because I can't see to work in it.
>


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:33:16 -0600
From: "Richard Eaton" <REATON@austin.rr.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: ICM 1/72 E-IV's - a first look
Message-ID: <001501bf8edf$398482e0$ad305d18@austin.rr.com>

Thanks for the review Barry.
This would be my first OT purchase of the year if I had not
bitten on the MAC sight unseen. I agree with your MAC review.
Right up there with Miekraft at twice the price!

Regards and arf!

Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: <BStett3770@aol.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:25 PM
Subject: ICM 1/72 E-IV's - a first look


> Hi Guy
>
> Just got the ICM Fokker  E. IV  & Pfalz E. IV
>
> WOW!
>
> Kits are well molded in a green plastic.
>
> They both look very nice in the bags.
>
> The Fokker E. IV is the 3 gun version & looks like this is the only way it
> can be built (Yes, I know we all have putty) Engine is mush better then
most
> kits, l/g very nice & thin, some interior parts ,( stick, seat, etc.) The
> only draw back is the wing ribbing, a bit over done (nothing the sanding
> can't fix) decals basic national markings & FOK. EIV 189/16 codes - but
don't
> give the decals for the cover art white & black X. Also a nice clear wind
> screen molding
> All in a real nice kit - price is right -
>
> The Pfalz is the same type of parts, with the same over done ribbing, two
gun
> version. basic decals with serial code (to darn small for me to read)
>
> Over all both kits are great, and a super price.
>
> Images of the box art on my website - under new stuff & ICM W.W.I listings
>
> www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby
>
> Looks like Toko didn't die and leave us in a void - with theses & the new
> Eduards 1/72 kits - we idy bity scalers are doing well .
>
> One last note, but the ICM Fokker E. IV  -forget the Mac Models kit its a
dog
>
> Keep Modeling
> Barry
> Rosemont Hobby


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:49:26 -0500
From: "Roger Belanger" <rogerb1@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Flashback and Toko Strutters
Message-ID: <012701bf8ee1$cc970ba0$3ca24d0c@rogerb1>

I will be starting one soon. Try running your drills in beeswax before you
drill it will save you a lot of aggravation as well as drills........Roger B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro e Francisca" <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 6:43 PM
Subject: Flashback and Toko Strutters


> Gang,
>
> this has been addressed by others on The List but let me just say that
> it was no different with me:
>
> There's absolutely no way you can use the cabane struts of both kits (I
> wonder how you did it Matt?). I ended up building the cabane struts one
> piece at the time with thin rod and on the FB they sit too high and even
> if the rake is not correct, it's passable if you don't look too close
> but on the Toko they not only do they sit too low but the rake on the
> central inverted Vs is something that has to be seen to be believed. Has
> any of you finished a Toko strutter? LMK.
>
>
> Also, is it just me or FB plastic is harder than resin? 10 .3mm drills
> on the wings alone to get the rigging holes done (and I still and some
> holes to do on the fuselage and tailplane...;-(.
>
>
> Pedro
>
>
>
>


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:48:14 -0600
From: "Matthew Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Lozenge application question
Message-ID: <200003160050.QAA00091@raven.a001.sprintmail.com>

I'm about to the point where I can start decaling the Fokker D.VI I'm
working on.  This means full blown lozenge over most of the aircraft,
except for the olive upper, forward fuselage.  What color should I
airbrush on first?  I'm guessing one that's close to one of the lozenge
colors, correct?  Have people been successful masking over lozenge to
spray?  TIA all!


Matt Bittner
http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm



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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:57:04 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: decal water holding tank
Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1E1E@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

RK says:


> RK (who decals using whatever container is closest, and has 
> at least SOME  liquid in it)
> 

Ah, but the wine makes every plane look like the Rittmeisters......

Shane

(Not seeking to become an enemy. The top of my skull is already polished and
would require no further treatment, so may be attractive for RK's
purposes...gulp)

























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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:58:53 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: The Lozenge Conundrum
Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1E1F@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

RK,

> Just on a general level,  I've always been curious about how 
> consistant real lozenge was from batch to batch.

I  hope it wasn't. Otherwise the variation across my collection is "wrong"


Shane





















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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:05:52 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Flashback and Toko Strutters
Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1E21@mimhexch.mim.com.au>


> > Salamander has the same problem too. Came very close to 
> > flying to the wall
> > when doing those. Do you think struts were a generic toko 
> >weakness.......
> 
> No doubt.  While I can't vouch for fit, the Nie.11/16 'V' struts are
> not accurate at all.
> 

Know anywhere I can get an accurate set then Matt?

;-)

Shane























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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:14:24 EST
From: Otisgood@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Lozenge application question
Message-ID: <9b.2a633c0.26018f70@aol.com>

I would airbrush the upper surfaces the same olive color as the forward 
panels and cowling. You might want to airbrush the under surfaces a lighter 
color, perhaps a CDL type color or even light blue depending on the 
predominant color of your lozenge, but I'm not sure it really makes that much 
difference. If you're using the Eduard lozenge, it's fairly opaque so just 
about any medium hue would do. If you're going to mask over the lozenge 
decals, be sure you give them a good coat of Future, other wise they'll peel 
right off when you remove the mask. Also use a low adhesion mask.

One other point, be sure to seal the lozenge and rib tapes good before 
applying the crosses. On mine, I didn't do that, and the rib tapes "bled" 
through the white trim on the crosses. I think the decal solvent on the 
crosses actually melted the rib tapes a little. For a little more accuracy, I 
would recommend using Aeromaster blue rib tapes instead of the purple ones 
supplied by Eduard. The pink kit tapes are a little dark, but close enough 
for government work. Oops, hope I didn't offend any bureaucrats on the list!

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:18:30 +0000
From: Pedro e Francisca <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Flashback and Toko Strutters
Message-ID: <38D03665.46E257BC@mail.telepac.pt>



Roger Belanger wrote:

> I will be starting one soon. Try running your drills in beeswax before you
> drill it will save you a lot of aggravation as well as drills........Roger B
> -----

Thanks Roger,

never had heard this. Will certainly try it.

Pedro


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:31:08 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: RE: The Lozenge Conundrum
Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1E23@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Otis says (about the Mikesh Albatros book)

> Great book. I highly recommend it not 
> only fo rthe lozenge but also great color shots of the cockpit.  
> 

Not to mention Bob Waughs marvelous drawings of D.5390, period drawings of
the control system, closeup engine pics etc. Pity it's out of publication
:-(


Shane
















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