WWI Digest 2181 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Is it real?? by "Lance Krieg" 2) Re: Is it real?? by Zulis@aol.com 3) Re: Original photo woes by GRBroman@aol.com 4) Re: Local shows by GRBroman@aol.com 5) Re: Any 'pure-ists' out there? by "Peter Leonard" 6) Re: More profiles on the internet... by Pedro e Francisca 7) Re: More profiles on the internet... by Pedro e Francisca 8) At long last by Pedro e Francisca 9) Re: Rigging by "Len Smith" 10) Re: Back to the list by Pedro e Francisca 11) Website down temporarilly by Allan Wright 12) RE: Any 'pure-ists' out there? by Shane Weier 13) Grief by "Lance Krieg" 14) Website by Allan Wright 15) RE: Monoplanes by Shane Weier 16) Re: Subject: OT wheels, was Modeling secret by "Steven Schofield" 17) retrieving vintage photos by "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" 18) Re: Any 'pure-ists' out there? by "Mike Fanklin" 19) Re: At long last by "Bill Bacon" 20) Re: RE: OT Artillery thinggies: by PolTexCW@aol.com 21) Re: retrieving vintage photos by Matthew Zivich 22) Re: retrieving vintage photos by "Lance Krieg" 23) Re: Local shows by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: Any 'pure-ists' out there? by bucky@ptdprolog.net 25) Re: EtH's Great Uncle by smperry@mindspring.com 26) Re: retrieving vintage photos by Zulis@aol.com 27) Re: Any 'pure-ists' out there? by Zulis@aol.com 28) RE: Any 'pure-ists' out there? by Shane Weier 29) Re: Original photo woes by Dave Watts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:51:41 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Is it real?? Message-ID: Dave wonders about the lozenge on ebay, and while I'm no expert on militaria everything about that particular piece looks "right" to me; provenance is believable, size is right, colors and doping are a fit. How much is it worth? Good question.... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:10:14 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Is it real?? Message-ID: <3a.23b38c9.25f80da6@aol.com> << Dave wonders about the lozenge on ebay, and while I'm no expert on militaria everything about that particular piece looks "right" to me; provenance is believable, size is right, colors and doping are a fit. >> I would be inclined to ask the seller a few questions - such as what private museum was it that was sold, and then run that name on a good search engine. Something should come up. Looking at the feedback for this seller, I see many repeat customers and some comments about his descriptions being accurate and conservative so, I figure you are not dealing with a weasel here. That doesnt, of course, mean the item is genuine - he, too, could be mistaken about authenticity. I will let other list members comment on the item itself - I may be an ebay "veteran". but I am not an expert on cloth. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:14:18 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Original photo woes Message-ID: <54.1e20eb1.25f80e9a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/7/2000 11:04:12 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: > > So good luck! If he was in the Army, try something like army.com or > army.org, or .gov. They will probably have something to link you with their > archive. Even better, try www.army.mil :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:50:50 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Local shows Message-ID: <69.2067bf7.25f8172a@aol.com> In a message dated 3/8/2000 1:23:23 PM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > Quad-Cities: 25 March We should have a number of list member s at this one, me, you, Bob Horton. Bob Sheldon will also probably be there again, he had some great OT stuff there last year. > West Des Moines: 15 April (actually this is still up in the air) Mebbe, don't have my soccer schedule yet :) > R5Con: 5-6 May (for some strange and silly reason) Ya, sure, you betcha! I still have my WWI list button too. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:56:36 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Any 'pure-ists' out there? Message-ID: <20000308205636.56141.qmail@hotmail.com> Me sir, I haven't built anything ot for about seven years. As to why it's a sad tale. I had a collection it had taken twenty years to assemble, even then mostly ot but with a second string strong on Spitfires. I still have a lot of unbuilt Spitfires. I came home from work one day to be met by 'er indoors looking very worried, as it turned out worried I was going to kill her. A neighbours three year old had somehow got into the cabinet and trashed every single model. If you've ever wondered how you would feel if it happened to you I can tell you. It's grief. I felt as though someone had died. After a while though I realized that was not really an appropriate reaction and sat down to rationalise things. I made a conscious decision to build only OT and where ever possible in 1/48. As a result I buy far fewer kits, though I still reckon there'd better be something in this reincarnation mumbo jumbo if I'm ever going to finish them all. cheers Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:05:39 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More profiles on the internet... Message-ID: <38C6C0A2.CAA16A9@mail.telepac.pt> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > Greetings! > > While wandering around the internet, I found yet another site with airplane > profiles on it. I am sure this site is not news to Pedro Soares, but it was > certainly news to me: > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9505/Faprofiles.html > Dave, You were wrong. Many thanks for the pointer Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:07:51 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More profiles on the internet... Message-ID: <38C6C126.6CD3F0CE@mail.telepac.pt> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > Greetings! > > While wandering around the internet, I found yet another site with airplane > profiles on it. I am sure this site is not news to Pedro Soares, but it was > certainly news to me: > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9505/Faprofiles.html > Me again, The profiles looked a bit suspicious to me so I went and checked and yes, that's the profile collection that appears on the "Os avioes da Cruz de Cristo" book. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:33:58 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: WW1 modeling list Subject: At long last Message-ID: <38C6B936.F063ADB7@mail.telepac.pt> Guys, Not that it matters much to you but, at long last, I'm the proud owner of the A-H army aicraft FMP book. All in all I've waited 8 monts for it but it's worth every single day. A huge thanks to Bill Bacon and the others who pointed me to the Scholar's bookshelf who provided a very good service. Funny thing is that I still have on order from FMP the Russian book but I don't know if I'll ever get it from them, after all I was told it had been shipped 3 months ago and it still hasn't shown up nor has it been charged to my VISA. Pedro (FWIW) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:18:37 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Rigging Message-ID: <000901bf8944$0c32cae0$e24f08c3@mesh> Dale, I have been using monofilament fishing line since I came back to modelling six years ago. Until recently I have been painting it with acrylic silver/gunmetal mixtures, but I have just started using a black or grey magic marker type pen. This rubs off fairly easily, but is held firmly with a coat of Klear/Future. Breaking strength is not a good guide to the size of line. I use 8oz. line which is .06mm, but the next reel is 11oz and only .055mm. Of course this is for 1/72 models, not the giant size. regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Beamish To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Rigging > What are your favorite methods of rigging? Does anyone use Monofilament? If > so are you painting it? I recently dyed some monofilament for use on fishing > flies ( eyes ) with Rit fabric dye and the results show possibilities. There > is also a different brand called Tintex but I have never used it. An easy > way to produce a lot of rigging material consistently. > What sizes of monofilament is everyone using? I find the 2 pound close for > 1/48. Am I far off? > TIA > Dale > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:18:15 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back to the list Message-ID: <38C6C397.AEE850CE@mail.telepac.pt> Tomasz Gronczewski wrote: > > Now I am returning to the list. > > Tom Gronczewski Great to have you back Tom Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:23:51 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Website down temporarilly Message-ID: <200003082123.QAA01046@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all, I have taken the website down temporarilly. It seems someone from the system: ns.ahold.cz decided to try to do multiple 'web suck' processes trying do download the entire content of the site - file for file. The end result was essentially a 'denial of service' attack on my machine. While I don't mind if anyone gets any or all of the information from the site, the way that this person tried to get the information crippled my desktop and prevented me from doing my 'real job'. I will re-enable the server at the end of the business day and hopefully whoever it was will get what they need off hours. Normally my system can handle any amount of traffic, but the system that tried to get all 580 Megs of the data from the website tried to do it with multiple processes, esentially bringing my poor desktop (an older workstation with the CPU power of a 486 but a GREAT graphics engine) to it's knees. Sorry for the interruption in service. Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:25:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Any 'pure-ists' out there? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1DDA@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt > > Are there any folks in this group that have given in and are > now strictly WWI modelers? If so, what lead to this total > 'conversion' to where there is no desire to build off topic stuff? > Boy, have you got THAT bass-ackwards. I build strictly WW1, and consider building one of the ot kits in my collection as "giving in" However, FWIW, I've been building mainly WW1 for at least 25 years, and slowly ceased building the ot subjects because I found none of them as enjoyable as the OT stuff. Finding this list - over 5 years ago now - simply firmed up my existing prejudice because now I could "talk" with like minded individuals at any time. I *still* have a passion for other planes but I just don't build them ! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:26:08 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Grief Message-ID: "It's grief. I felt as though someone had died." Jesus, Peter, I feel awful and I'm 5000 miles away. " A neighbours three year old had somehow got into the cabinet and trashed every single model." Justifiable homicide. Actually, anyone in the neighborhood at the time of the crime would have been on my hit list... I'm going home to put a padlock on the case. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:32:50 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Website Message-ID: <200003082132.QAA01408@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I have turned the website back on, hopefully the list and the site will be here in the morning -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:53:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Monoplanes Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1DDC@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt asks: > I'm looking on ebay, at the ICM Pfalz E.IV and was wondering how > many of us have built the WW1 monoplanes? Many, but in recent years only the MS-L and Fokker D.VIII I have another half dozen waiting though ! Shane (who has another half dozen of damn near everything :-) and no time to build them :-( ) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:55:49 -0000 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Re: Subject: OT wheels, was Modeling secret Message-ID: <003e01bf8949$11a97780$128d93c3@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: Subject: OT wheels, was Modeling secret > >While we're on the subject of OT wheels here's a question that's been > >bothering me for some time. Why did so many Austrian aircraft of the period > >have one wheel cover missing, usually the right hand one. > > Shhhhhhhh! Freemasons! > Sandy > STOP IT, THIS IS GETTING FAR TOO SILLY. Scho http://www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:07:23 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-9?B?QvxsZW50IFn9bG1hemVy?=" To: Subject: retrieving vintage photos Message-ID: <00fc01bf894a$afb7b260$670d8ec3@yilmazer> Hi to all list members, I have been following the discussion about "original photos" with interest and have learned a few things in the process. My question is, how do you remove a vintage WWI era photo, without risking any damage to the photo, from the page of the photo album it has been glued to. I am in possession of some original WWI aviation photo albums. I notice that some of the photos have notes written on their backs. I can tell this because who ever wrote those notes pressed the pen a little hard and part of the inscription is visible as raised lines on the front of the photo. Some of the notes are pretty lengthy and I guess they would be telling a lot about the respective photograph. I am looking for advice on a sure-safe way to remove these photos from the album pages, so that both the photo and the inscription on the back will not be damaged. Any suggestions from those with experience and expertise on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes to all, Bulent Yilmazer Ankara - TURKEY yilmazer@tr-net.net.tr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 02:16:19 -0800 From: "Mike Fanklin" To: Subject: Re: Any 'pure-ists' out there? Message-ID: <003101bf88e7$5c0ad560$5eedfc9e@default> I have been accused of enjoying being a heretic. I collect and build airplanes of all eras, sports cars, hot rods, sailing ships, and other non catagorizable models such as antique fire engines, antique pistols, birds, and really anything else that strikes my fancy. Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:18:14 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: At long last Message-ID: <001f01bf894c$32e5bd20$413c32cf@tcac.net> Pedro, Glad you finaly got it. I was a bit worried, Glad I could help. Cheers, Bill B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedro e Francisca To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:24 PM Subject: At long last > Guys, > > Not that it matters much to you but, at long last, I'm the proud owner > of the A-H army aicraft FMP book. > > All in all I've waited 8 monts for it but it's worth every single day. > > A huge thanks to Bill Bacon and the others who pointed me to the > Scholar's bookshelf who provided a very good service. > > Funny thing is that I still have on order from FMP the Russian book but > I don't know if I'll ever get it from them, after all I was told it had > been shipped 3 months ago and it still hasn't shown up nor has it been > charged to my VISA. > > Pedro (FWIW) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:23:01 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE: OT Artillery thinggies: Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/0 2:03:37 PM, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: <> The method I use is: 1) Find a piece of plastic tube (PVC pipe, shampoo bottle, whatever) the same diameter as the wheel (If too thin, build up with plastic strips) 2) Turn the hub (or build up with appropriate size rods) and drill axle hole 3) Lay out the location of the spokes on the hub and drill holes through 4) Make spokes in diametrically opposed pairs (make slightly longer than proper) 5) Insert first pair through hub and glue. When glue sets, drill through hub. 6) insert next pair and so on. 7) When finished with hub/spoke assembly, trim to fit in wheel and glue in place 8) Make tire from plastic/brass strip. Or - in this case - RPM/Mirage Poland makes a 1/35 Schneider 75. Buy kit - use wheels - send me extra parts. John Biskupski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:33:43 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: retrieving vintage photos Message-ID: <38C6D546.688CAC77@svsu.edu> Bulent, Good to hear from you again. If I had rare photographs that needed attention as you mention I would seek a professional. I might seek the advice if not the actual help of an archivist from a large library perhaps attached to a university or museum where restoration work is common. Another possibility would be an expert in photo restoration as well, perhaps found in a large art museum that might have an extensive photo collection. Good luck, and I hope you could be able to share any information about Ottoman aircraft with fellow list members. Matthew Zivich B�lent Y�lmazer wrote: > Hi to all list members, > > I have been following the discussion about "original photos" with interest > and have learned a few things in the process. My question is, how do you > remove a vintage WWI era photo, without risking any damage to the photo, > from the page of the photo album it has been glued to. I am in possession of > some original WWI aviation photo albums. I notice that some of the photos > have notes written on their backs. I can tell this because who ever wrote > those notes pressed the pen a little hard and part of the inscription is > visible as raised lines on the front of the photo. Some of the notes are > pretty lengthy and I guess they would be telling a lot about the respective > photograph. I am looking for advice on a sure-safe way to remove these > photos from the album pages, so that both the photo and the inscription on > the back will not be damaged. Any suggestions from those with experience and > expertise on this subject would be greatly appreciated. > > Best wishes to all, > > Bulent Yilmazer > Ankara - TURKEY > yilmazer@tr-net.net.tr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:42:18 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: retrieving vintage photos Message-ID: Bulent, I have had occasion to remove pasted materials, trying to preserve the backs, and succeeded with steam and other carefully applied moisture; the glue is usually mucilage or hide-based. BUT! I would consult an antiquarian book dealer or archivist to make sure that you don't damage either the image or the inscription on the reverse. Good luck! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:36:01 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Local shows Message-ID: <007001bf894e$dda69700$5592aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Why don't you come on down to the Mobile, AL show on March 18? DB -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:22 PM Subject: Local shows >Who's attending what contests/shows? FWIW I'll be at the >following: > >KC-Con: 11 March (this Saturday) >Quad-Cities: 25 March >West Des Moines: 15 April (actually this is still up in the air) >R5Con: 5-6 May (for some strange and silly reason) >Nordic Con: 2 Sep (also still up in the air) > > >Matt Bittner >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm >http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:49:03 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Any 'pure-ists' out there? Message-ID: <38C6D8DF.59DF09C3@ptdprolog.net> Matt Bailey wrote: > Are there any folks in this group that have given in and are now strictly WWI modelers? If so, what lead to this total 'conversion' to where there is no desire to build off topic stuff? > I was a purist for awhile and then my daughter decided she liked the Tiger Shark P-40. That lead to my discovery of the F4F-4 Wildcat. I must admit that other than for the Wildcat, I'm a purist....and in WWII, I'm a purist with only doing Wildcats....and an occasional Buffalo. Mike Muth nb: 1/72 Anatra Anasol....just about done. Does anyone know what that part is on the bottom of the fuselage below the cockpit that hangs down? Drain pipe? 1/48 W.29...Decalson the wings. Next step is the float attachment. nu: Not sure...maybe the Nieuport Conversion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:07:10 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: EtH's Great Uncle Message-ID: <005001bf8953$095c5480$c80556d1@default> Unfortunately, 70% of the service records of people discharged from the army between 1912 and the 1970s were destroyed in a fire. You may still find a record, but it would be unlikely. Medical records on the other hand are intact at a different location. I learned this attempting to track down info on my own Grandfather. I have specific addresses etc but they are packed away. I will retreive them and post them shortly. One thing I learned was that knowing a Unit name is more fruitful than an individual's name. That is the golden key to seek from family. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:24:50 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: retrieving vintage photos Message-ID: Lance wrote: << Bulent, I have had occasion to remove pasted materials, trying to preserve the backs, and succeeded with steam and other carefully applied moisture; the glue is usually mucilage or hide-based. BUT! I would consult an antiquarian book dealer or archivist to make sure that you don't damage either the image or the inscription on the reverse. >> Hi Bulent! First of all, you will probably destroy the album pages themselves whatever you do. If this isnt a problem, I would select another photo from the album - one without as much historical interest or content, and try the things Lance mentioned above. Try to pick one which appears to have been glued into the book at the same time as the ones you are interested in - it will probably have the same type of glue. If it goes smoothly without problems, you may have the courage to try it with one of the more important ones. If, however, you have any problems at all, I would also be heading to the experts with the valuable ones. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:37:06 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Any 'pure-ists' out there? Message-ID: <9c.206b108.25f83e22@aol.com> Interesting thread.... I used to build absolutely anything when I was a kid - cars, ships, airplanes, space craft, figures - you name it. That was a lot of fun, but results in a real dog's breakfast type of collection. When I became interested in the modelling again a couple of years ago, I started out by doing only OT models. With the help of the many talented people on the list, I am slowly acquiring skills that I never would have imagined when I was a kid (though I am still the most ham-fisted person on earth). This makes for better models, but it is also slower work. Recently, I have been casting around for some other, ot - type projects to build at the same time as the WWI stuff so, when I just feel like slapping something together I can do so. I no longer enjoy doing that to the WWI stuff - I expect more from those projects. Currently, I am building the Eduard 1/72 Albatros (and loving it) and, on the side, slapping together an Israeli jet. The former will probably sit in my display case forever - the latter may not survive the next spring cleaning. :-) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:39:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Any 'pure-ists' out there? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1DDD@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Mike asks > nb: 1/72 Anatra Anasol....just about done. Does anyone know > what that part is on the bottom of the fuselage below the > cockpit that hangs down? Drain pipe? Just guessing, but is it under the bottom of the control column? It wasn't uncommon for them to protrude through the bottom of the aircraft. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:58:17 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Original photo woes Message-ID: <200003082359.SAA27046@ind.cioe.com> Nicely worded Fernando. I'm with you on the sharing of one's information. I think we covered this once before. When asking someone for information on a subject, don't ask them for everything they have on Fokker Dr.I, this will get you nowhere, and your request will be ignored. Unfortunately, you have to "make your bones" by studying what is available and inquiring for more specific things. For example, if you were to ask for photos of Dr.I 115/17 they may be more inclined to help, or if you were inquiring which aircraft had "balanced" ailerons, and which didn't, they would most likely help out. They enjoy a "hunting party" as much as the next guy. Just tell them what you are up to. With Peter Grosz, I felt in some way, I was "paying my dues" to enable myself to ask him for information, which he has generously shared. Best, Dave At 02:37 AM 3/8/00 -0500, you wrote: > >>So, anybody - Fernando? ;-) - have original photo's they're willing to >share electronically with others? >>Matt Bittner > > As Dave Watts, David Burke and Bob Pearson commented, sharing has it's >benefits and pitfalls. > > You do have to pay good money for worthwhile original photos. If you >allow someone to make high quality negatives of a collection you paid >several hundred dollars for, you have given away valuable property for free. > > On the other hand, where is the fun in hoarding one of a kind photos that >only you can appreciate? Do you show them to your local friends who don't >know an Ago from a Yugo? > > Last year, I aquired a photo collection that belonged to a 25th Aero >Squadron mechanic. I shared some digital images with the individual who >did the photo editing for the FMP French book. He then e-mailed me that >Alan Toelle wanted to photograph my album. I was honored and I made a day >trip to Seattle where Mr. Toelle photographed the album. Afterwards, I had >some reservations. I had spent over $300 to buy images I had just given >away for free. > > However, a week later, I received an e-mail from Alan Toelle. Attached >was a MS Word file that cataloged each photo and indentified the aircraft >and pilots in the album. The file was labeled: > >>Roll T9902 Captions >>Photos copied by Alan D. Toelle >>10 October 1999 >> >>Collection of Fernando E. Lamas, MD >>Album of Stephen White, an enlisted man of the 25th Aero Squadron, AEF > > Unlike Dave Watt's experience, getting credit where credit was due made >it all worthwhile. It was worth $300+ to get thanks and credit from Alan >Toelle. > > Now, whenever I acquire an original French aircraft photo, I scan it >and e-mail it to Mr. Toelle. If he really likes it and has never seen it >before, I feel like a kid again showing Dad an "A" in my report card. It >is like being an archeologist. That's what my joy of collecting is all >about. Besides, I stink at modeling so I have to do *something*. > > I have shared some of my photos with others in the list before. Anyone >who wants scans can e-mail me and tell me what types of photos they may be >interested in. If I have them, I'll send them. > > All I ask is that any images that I share be kept for your own personal >use. If they are to be published, I want to be the one to do it. One of >my photos may appear in the next OTF in a Les Cicognes article. I gave my >permission for it to be used. We'll see if it shows up. > > Fernando Lamas > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2181 **********************