WWI Digest 2179 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) I'm BACK!!!, was; into the woods... by Ernest Thomas 2) RE: Can Someone Define "Original Photo"? by Shane Weier 3) RE: I'm BACK!!!, was; into the woods... by Shane Weier 4) Re: Can Someone Define "Original Photo"? by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: I'm BACK!!!, was; into the woods... by Ernest Thomas 6) Re: Modeling secret by KarrArt@aol.com 7) ebay wow by "Matthew Bittner" 8) Re: New armor kits by Sixmilfigs@cs.com 9) Original photo woes by "Matthew Bittner" 10) Re: New armor kits by "Matthew Bittner" 11) More profiles on the internet... by Zulis@aol.com 12) Finished one(almost) by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Can Someone Define "Original Photo"? by "David Calhoun" 14) Re: Original photo woes by Ernest Thomas 15) Re: Can Someone Define "Original Photo"? by "Bob Pearson" 16) Re: New armor kits by "Bob Pearson" 17) Re: Original photo woes by "DAVID BURKE" 18) Re: Original photo woes by Fernando Lamas 19) Albatros C.XII by "Bob Pearson" 20) Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I wire wheels by Witold Kozakiewicz 21) Re: A-H colours by Witold Kozakiewicz 22) Re: New armor kits by Pedro e Francisca 23) Re: A-H colours by Pedro e Francisca 24) Re: Modelling secret by "Sandy Adam" 25) Subject: OT wheels, was Modeling secret by "Sandy Adam" 26) Back to the list by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 27) Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I wire wheels by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 28) Re: Original photo woes by Ernest Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 18:06:36 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: I'm BACK!!!, was; into the woods... Message-ID: <38C5998B.84F25699@bellsouth.net> Howdy Do Friends!, Well, I've returned from my short jaunt into nature. I'm sure there's a few of you who are dissapointed that wasn't devoured by bears. Oh well, get over it. Maybe next time. I wasn't even devoured by mosquitos, HA! It was a nice short trip, and I was even able to put in a few hours doing some OT modeling. Yep! I took along my long ignored collection of Williams Bros. WWI MG's(hereafter refered to as "the ten thousand seams"). So I thik I'm about ready to paint these bad boys, but I've got a question. The Vickers gun has a big ring site mounted on top of the gun right between the receiver and the aft end of the cooling jacket. Is this right? I've never seen that on a aircraft mounted Vickers. Maybe on a tripod mounted gun for use on the ground, but that's a big maybe. Help!!! E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:28:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Can Someone Define "Original Photo"? Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1DD1@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave W says: > Obviously the value between a sole surviving original print > made in 1918 > with no surviving negative will have a great more value than > one of these > "dime a dozen" reprints made from a original negative. This certainly depends on perspective. An old print has rarity value, certainly, but that makes it valuable to collectors. The *content* is what may make it valuable to historians/modellers and unless it's of a subject uncovered by a "dime a dozen" reprint from an original negative it's not likely to be as valuable to a historian. > > This brings up an interesting dilemma. Many times those > who own rare > sole surviving prints don't want to share them or allow > photos to be made > of them with the prospect of 2nd generation prints being > made. I don't > agree with hoarding of photographs, but I can understand the > concern. Yes, they are concerned with the value of the item in the event of *sale* and not of the true historical value of the *content*. It's understandable, but makes me sick to my stomach - better they collect stamps if the intent is to make money, and leave items with extrinsic value in the hands of libraries/universities/museums where the hoarding of knowledge takes priority over the hoarding of wealth. > I would expect that if a photo credit is given, there would be > less concern. I was curious to know why until I read your experience. I must say I'm surprised (a little) that PG treated you the same way he'd treat a non-expert who'd shown him an album handed to from Grandad and copied into *his* archive. > I think at one time I brought up the > point of ownership of property or "rights" for such photos, > and someone on > the list said that it would be public domain. They are, at least in this country and I expect our laws are in synch on this. I understand where you're coming from - it must be annoying to pay good money for a photo and watch someone else sell it for publication. However, the law says that you bought the photo, not the publishing rights, which seems sort of iniquitous ! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:37:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: I'm BACK!!!, was; into the woods... Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1DD2@mimhexch.mim.com.au> EtH > The Vickers gun has a big ring site mounted on top of the gun > right between the > receiver and the aft end of the cooling jacket. Is this > right? I've never > seen that on a aircraft mounted Vickers. Maybe on a tripod > mounted gun for > use on the ground, but that's a big maybe. Peek under the upper wing on an SE-5a and you'll often see ring and bead sights mounted on the Vickers as well as the telescopic sight on the centreline. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:43:57 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Can Someone Define "Original Photo"? Message-ID: <000601bf8897$66c9be80$e893aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey David, Yeah, I agree that there is always the danger of prints being hoarded. It is one of the problems that confronts us all who do research. The fact now that WW2 is so popular is in part to the veterans who have been dying off and their old steamer trunks in the attic are being opened, and voila! tons of new photos that no one even knew about. I realize the value of these items. God, on e-bay, some of these pics go for a good piece of money. But I can credit my stepmother who is donating alot of her father's photos and stuff (he flew in the WW2 Italian campaign and helped plan the Ploesti raids) to the D-Day museum in New Orleans. For those of you who are bristling at the ot references, relax - I'm nearing my point. For those of you who may think of it and have original source materials, you may consider bequeathing them to museums and archives. My family has on occasion, and I look forward to doing research this fall on papers from one of my ancestors written during the American Civil War, which he fought in, and were donated to the college library in Robinson, Illinois. As modellers, as researchers and as historians, it's best to pass this kind of stuff to places where the maximum number of people have access to them. But if it's like a family heirloom that you don't want to part with, well ummm... DB Laissez le Bon Temps Rouler! HAPPY MARDI GRAS Y'ALL! WOOOOO!! Throw me some beads and doubloons!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:02:42 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm BACK!!!, was; into the woods... Message-ID: <38C5A6B2.C18F0993@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Peek under the upper wing on an SE-5a and you'll often see ring and bead > sights mounted on the Vickers as well as the telescopic sight on the > centreline. Hang on while I run out to the hangar to have a look at the SE......... (sound of fading footsteps) Wow! You're right! :) Thanks Mate! E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:10:53 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modeling secret Message-ID: <98.2938c50.25f7029d@aol.com> In a message dated 3/7/00 10:39:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << Ah, but it's no longer a secret now, is it! Bwahahaha... ;-) Okay, I admit, pretty lame but... Matt Bittner >> The basics of good, solid, neat construction and painting will never change....but there ARE devious lil detours that work just fine. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 20:01:50 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: ebay wow Message-ID: <200003080204.SAA12664@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> Hey, Barry! Your Caudron G.3 is getting over $23 on ebay! I think you better crank up those molds again. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:07:33 EST From: Sixmilfigs@cs.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New armor kits Message-ID: <7c.295ed89.25f70fe5@cs.com> What Squadron is selling is the Ford Tfc armored car used by the Poles against the Soviets shortly after WWI. It's made by RPM in 1/72 and fairly cheap. It's too deep in my to build pile, but a brief in box review is that for the scale, it looks pretty nice. Needs a lot of rivets and more attention to some details, but what kit doesn't. If anyone is interested, you can find more info on it at http://friko7.onet.pl/kie/derela/ftb.htm Shawn Kennedy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 20:14:00 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Original photo woes Message-ID: <200003080216.SAA21891@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> The part that irates me - as I look through ebay - is that most of the people who don't know what they have in their possesion are those that currently have some of the best photo's. That person Fernando was talking about is top on this list. I just stumbled across a photo he's selling of a MoS Type P (very rare to find Type P photo's) and he has no idea what it is nor what he's talking about. So, anybody - Fernando? ;-) - have original photo's they're willing to share electronically with others? I actually bid on a photo this past week - but lost because it went out of my budget. It was a great shot of SPAD 11's from SPAD-Bi 34. A dream of mine is to write a SPAD 11 "datafile"...if only I had the time and money. Maybe that's another topic of conversation. If someone had the desire to take on something like this - but didn't know where to start - how would one start, and whom would they contact? I don't know why I've become infatuated with the SPAD 11... Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 20:14:53 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New armor kits Message-ID: <200003080217.SAA22508@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:12:54 -0500 (EST), Sixmilfigs@cs.com wrote: > What Squadron is selling is the Ford Tfc armored car used by the Poles > against the Soviets shortly after WWI. It's made by RPM in 1/72 and fairly > cheap. It's too deep in my to build pile, but a brief in box review is that > for the scale, it looks pretty nice. Needs a lot of rivets and more > attention to some details, but what kit doesn't. If anyone is interested, > you can find more info on it at > http://friko7.onet.pl/kie/derela/ftb.htm Ah-HA! Thanks, Shawn. There are also two other reviews of it on the 'net. Email me if interested, and I'll look up the links. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:46:07 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: More profiles on the internet... Message-ID: <9d.2c09caf.25f718ef@aol.com> Greetings! While wandering around the internet, I found yet another site with airplane profiles on it. I am sure this site is not news to Pedro Soares, but it was certainly news to me: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9505/Faprofiles.html I also came across another site with a some WWI content which you may wish to check out. For me, personally, I was thrilled to find two small profiles of between-the-wars Latvian Stampe-Vertongen SV-5s and a story of the ruckus these planes caused over Antwerp in 1936 with their red swastikas.... http://home.planetinternet.be/~gvanroy1/aviation.htm Enjoy, Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:27:03 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Finished one(almost) Message-ID: <38C5C886.7522C9B6@bellsouth.net> Hi all, So I'm five control horns and a few bits of wire away from finishing up the big Revell D-VII(Bertholde) and I must say, it's a pretty nice model. I tried to fix the top wing but sorta botched it. Instead of being flat across the top, it's sorta gull shaped. But if you don't go looking spanwise down the le or te, it's not too noticable. I didn't do any corrections on the fuselage, and I have to say, it's passable. It might bug the **** out of those who are extremely knowledgeable on the bird, but I think the average modeler could live with it and the typical numskull contest judge would never notice it. I'll give it a thumbs up for those who are still undecided on weather or not to buy one. And yes, I'll take some pics and send em to Alan for all to see. But I'm tellin ya now, this is a model I built mainly to hang on my son's ceiling and it's already taken me too long to get this far with it. So I didn't bother with the rib tapes on the underside. One day, when he tells me I forgot the tapes, I'll wipe the tear of joy from my eye and offer to buy him one so he can do it right. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:32:26 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Can Someone Define "Original Photo"? Message-ID: <003601bf8a5a$68c9ab40$a02f3ccc@oemcomputer> Ok, looks more like a Ford tri-motor than a WW1 aircraft. No doubt about this original World War 1 photo!!! -----Original Message----- From: Fernando Lamas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Can Someone Define "Original Photo"? >At 09:58 AM 3/7/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Thanks for all the input folks! I would much rather learn about vintage >photos >>from my friends on the list than through the painful trial and error >method. I am >>certain some of the sellers on Ebay are all too willing to sell me an >education >>though. >>Thanks again! >>Brent > > On second thought, I may have bit too harsh in my description of this >seller. I did say: > > > He describes photos of anything with two wings as an "original WWI >photo" even if it is an 8x10 glossy photo. >> > > However, I did find this item he now has listed and there is absolutely >no doubt that this is "An Original World War One Photograph". No doubt >whatsoever. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273316138 > > Does anyone have the Datafile on it? :-) > > Fernando Lamas > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:35:07 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Original photo woes Message-ID: <38C5CA6B.341C0782@bellsouth.net> Matthew Bittner wrote: > So, anybody - Fernando? ;-) - have original photo's they're willing to share electronically with others? I recently laid claim to a true original photo portrait of my grampa's brother in his doughboy uniform. There's no airplanes in it, but I'll share it if anyone's interested. But this brings up another subject; I never met Gramp's brother, and didn't even know he had a brother until after he died and I came across this picture in a family album. How could I find out about this great uncle's service record? Tia... E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:43:08 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Can Someone Define "Original Photo"? Message-ID: <200003080358.TAA27402@mail.rapidnet.net> Shane says, > I understand where you're coming from - it must be annoying to pay good > money for a photo and watch someone else sell it for publication. However, > the law says that you bought the photo, not the publishing rights, which > seems sort of iniquitous ! On this point I have been sorely tempted to send a message to a site that has made use of some photos I paid for and have on mine. .. if he wants them for his site. .. link to mine, say where it came from or buy it himself. I have no problem with sharing my work or even allowing it to be used by others .. but credit is nice. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 Aviation page http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 For the CBR/RNP Profile page visit http://members.xoom.com/profileart/ Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:44:58 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New armor kits Message-ID: <200003080358.TAA27405@mail.rapidnet.net> Or the next issue of Internet Modeler Bob ---------- >From: Sixmilfigs@cs.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: New armor kits >Date: Tue, 7 Mar, 2000, 6:13 PM > > What Squadron is selling is the Ford Tfc armored car used by the Poles > against the Soviets shortly after WWI. It's made by RPM in 1/72 and fairly > cheap. It's too deep in my to build pile, but a brief in box review is that > for the scale, it looks pretty nice. Needs a lot of rivets and more > attention to some details, but what kit doesn't. If anyone is interested, > you can find more info on it at > http://friko7.onet.pl/kie/derela/ftb.htm > Shawn Kennedy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:47:50 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Original photo woes Message-ID: <002f01bf88b1$150807e0$d394aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hey Bud, First, find out as much as you can from your family: as in what unit he might have been in, et.al, and check the internet to see if there's any organization attached to his unit, like a memorial bunch. If unsuccessful, call the U.S. Army at any post, and ask where they keep unit records and archives. For instance, if he had served in the 141st Artillery, they would probably direct you to Jackson Barracks. You need to find out his unit info. After that, it's all a snap. For instance, at a family reunion in Chicago this past summer, my father showed me a photo and asked if I'd seen it before. It showed a guy on the wing of an off-topic aircraft during a famous invasion of Normandy during a war that we're not interested in here officially. As I had that same photo in a Squadron book, I said 'yes', and the guy is my uncle Bill, who died before I got to know him. After figuring out which unit he was with, I looked up the U.S.A.F. home page, found out that the archives are an hour south of me at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, and I e-mailed them and they told me to come on down if I wanted to do some research. I want to do a model or diorama of this off-topic plane that my uncle crew-chiefed on and include his record in my presentation. So good luck! If he was in the Army, try something like army.com or army.org, or .gov. They will probably have something to link you with their archive. Burp. DB -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Original photo woes > > >Matthew Bittner wrote: > >> So, anybody - Fernando? ;-) - have original photo's they're willing to share electronically with others? > >I recently laid claim to a true original photo portrait of my grampa's brother in his doughboy uniform. There's no airplanes >in it, but I'll share it if anyone's interested. >But this brings up another subject; I never met Gramp's brother, and didn't even know he had a brother until after he died >and I came across this picture in a family album. How could I find out about this great uncle's service record? >Tia... >E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:42:58 -0800 From: Fernando Lamas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Original photo woes Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000307234258.008bb100@olympus.net> >So, anybody - Fernando? ;-) - have original photo's they're willing to share electronically with others? >Matt Bittner As Dave Watts, David Burke and Bob Pearson commented, sharing has it's benefits and pitfalls. You do have to pay good money for worthwhile original photos. If you allow someone to make high quality negatives of a collection you paid several hundred dollars for, you have given away valuable property for free. On the other hand, where is the fun in hoarding one of a kind photos that only you can appreciate? Do you show them to your local friends who don't know an Ago from a Yugo? Last year, I aquired a photo collection that belonged to a 25th Aero Squadron mechanic. I shared some digital images with the individual who did the photo editing for the FMP French book. He then e-mailed me that Alan Toelle wanted to photograph my album. I was honored and I made a day trip to Seattle where Mr. Toelle photographed the album. Afterwards, I had some reservations. I had spent over $300 to buy images I had just given away for free. However, a week later, I received an e-mail from Alan Toelle. Attached was a MS Word file that cataloged each photo and indentified the aircraft and pilots in the album. The file was labeled: >Roll T9902 Captions >Photos copied by Alan D. Toelle >10 October 1999 > >Collection of Fernando E. Lamas, MD >Album of Stephen White, an enlisted man of the 25th Aero Squadron, AEF Unlike Dave Watt's experience, getting credit where credit was due made it all worthwhile. It was worth $300+ to get thanks and credit from Alan Toelle. Now, whenever I acquire an original French aircraft photo, I scan it and e-mail it to Mr. Toelle. If he really likes it and has never seen it before, I feel like a kid again showing Dad an "A" in my report card. It is like being an archeologist. That's what my joy of collecting is all about. Besides, I stink at modeling so I have to do *something*. I have shared some of my photos with others in the list before. Anyone who wants scans can e-mail me and tell me what types of photos they may be interested in. If I have them, I'll send them. All I ask is that any images that I share be kept for your own personal use. If they are to be published, I want to be the one to do it. One of my photos may appear in the next OTF in a Les Cicognes article. I gave my permission for it to be used. We'll see if it shows up. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:41:01 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Albatros C.XII Message-ID: <200003080746.XAA02958@mail.rapidnet.net> Does anyone have any references on the Albatros C.XII besides the following articles LAST FLIGHT OF A BAVARIAN EAGLE-LTN HUGO GEIGER,FL.ABT 46 AND JASTA 34b Brüno Schmäling translated by Reinhard Behrend Biography, Camouflage and Markings Geiger, Hugo Fl.Abt 46, Jasta 34b Albatros C.XII C&C(GB) 13/3:97 ALBATROS C.XII Ray Rimell Model, Kit Review Albatros C.XII JOYSTICK MODELS 1/72 Vacform Windsock 7/4:31 A-Z OF SCALE WW1 AEROPLANES, part 1 Ray Rimell Model, Kit Survey Albatros C.XII JOYSTICK MODELS 1/72 Vacform Windsock 7/6:23 GERMAN WARPLANES IN RUSSIAN SERVICE Bulba Camouflage and Markings Roland D.II, Albatros C.XII, Junkers CL.I Colour profiles Windsock 9/1:FC Or more specifically these photos Albatros C.XII Soviet Red star on fin Fitted with skis. Scarff mount WIndsock 9/1:7 Albatros C.XII OTF 2/3:205 Albatros C.XII Soviet Red star on rudder Fitted with skis. Colour profile on inside cover WIndsock 9/1:7 Albatros C.XII Ludwig Walk 87 Walk¹s third crash C&C(GB) 11/1:4 Albatros C.XII 1057/17 Geiger/Rein Fl.Abt 46 Lightning Bolt C&C(GB) 13/3:105 These are needed for a forthcoming 1/48 kit's boxtop and profile page (and later decals). I have already profiled the last mentioned, and may do a Soviet as well, but a third option is still lacking. regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:45:37 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I wire wheels Message-ID: <38C60521.8AC1407D@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Charles and Linda Duckworth napisa³(a): > > In finishing the FB Berg I tried using the etched wire wheels with the > rubber tires and found they 'drop' right through the center. For those who > have mastered this part of the kit did you use these tires or hollow out the > center of the plastic ones and use them instead? I had the same problem - I used thin stripe cut from beer can and formed to ring that reduce diameter of rubber tire, looks fine for me. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:55:05 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A-H colours Message-ID: <38C60759.7E57D44D@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Pedro e Francisca napisa³(a): > > Gang, > > since my never ending story with the FMP A-H book hasn't yet ended (I've > ordered it from the schoolar bookshelf 2 months ago but it still hasn't > got here) could anyone let me know if the two grey camo seen on UFAG CI > aircraft is composed of 1 light 1 dark grey or are both greys quite > dark. > > TIA > > And Guys, have a glass on my oldest daughter (turning 14 today) and on > me (turning 40 today too. Guess that from now on I'm on the down wind > leg...... > > Pedro Pedro Happy Birthday, On Aviatik D.I in Viena, only one known A-H plane in orginal WWI camufage, the greys are regonised as RAL7036 and RAL7012, pictures of this plane on http://www.modelarstwo.kk.opole.pl/galerie/seredynski/berg.html I think that greys on UFAG could be the same. Regards -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:27:45 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New armor kits Message-ID: <38C60F00.DD895C62@mail.telepac.pt> Sixmilfigs@cs.com wrote: > What Squadron is selling is the Ford Tfc armored car used by the Poles > against the Soviets shortly after WWI. It's made by RPM in 1/72 and fairly > cheap. It's too deep in my to build pile, but a brief in box review is that > for the scale, it looks pretty nice. Needs a lot of rivets and more > attention to some details, but what kit doesn't. If anyone is interested, > you can find more info on it at > http://friko7.onet.pl/kie/derela/ftb.htm > Shawn Kennedy I stand corrected. Thanks Shawn. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:30:08 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A-H colours Message-ID: <38C60F8F.972FCA04@mail.telepac.pt> Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > Pedro e Francisca napisa³(a): > > > > Gang, > > > > since my never ending story with the FMP A-H book hasn't yet ended (I've > > ordered it from the schoolar bookshelf 2 months ago but it still hasn't > > got here) could anyone let me know if the two grey camo seen on UFAG CI > > aircraft is composed of 1 light 1 dark grey or are both greys quite > > dark. > > > > TIA > > > > And Guys, have a glass on my oldest daughter (turning 14 today) and on > > me (turning 40 today too. Guess that from now on I'm on the down wind > > leg...... > > > > Pedro > > Pedro > Happy Birthday, > > On Aviatik D.I in Viena, only one known A-H plane in orginal WWI > camufage, the greys are regonised as RAL7036 and RAL7012, pictures of > this plane on > http://www.modelarstwo.kk.opole.pl/galerie/seredynski/berg.html > I think that greys on UFAG could be the same. > Regards > > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz Many thanks Witold. Stupid me. I had seen your excellent pictures before but couldn't remember it when needed. Now I'm certain of the greys. Great List this is. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:59:40 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Re: Modelling secret Message-ID: <002701bf88e5$38ccd6e0$26e8b094@sandyada> Surprised you paint tyres last, Matt. I find this very difficult. I always paint tyres first, then twirl wheel on a cocktail stick while applying disk colour with a brush. Mind you I still add a bit of dirt. (Or you could spray disk and seal it, then brush paint tyre and remove excess with thinners by stick twirl method.) FWIW Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:28:29 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Subject: OT wheels, was Modeling secret Message-ID: <002601bf88e5$37c970a0$26e8b094@sandyada> >While we're on the subject of OT wheels here's a question that's been >bothering me for some time. Why did so many Austrian aircraft of the period >have one wheel cover missing, usually the right hand one. Shhhhhhhh! Freemasons! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:31:56 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: "WW1 Mailing List" Subject: Back to the list Message-ID: Greets all, I had subrscribed The List some two years ago, but after a few months company firewall separated me from you all. Later I connected my home computer to the i-net but had no time for my hobby. Now I am returning to the list. Tom Gronczewski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:08:36 -0600 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Flashback Aviatik Berg D.I wire wheels Message-ID: <002801bf88f7$0a241620$4d2c57d8@cnlduckwor> Witold - thanks, I'll empty a beer can tonight, never thought of combining the two hobbies before 8^) >I had the same problem - I used thin stripe cut from beer can and formed >to ring that reduce diameter of rubber tire, looks fine for me. >-- > Witold Kozakiewicz > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 07:14:06 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Original photo woes Message-ID: <38C6521D.4B96C2CC@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: > Hey Bud, > > First, find out as much as you can from your family: as in what unit he > might have been in, This will be the tough part. Gramps, being the bastard child of an Irish imigrant, never talked much about his family. I think the people who would have been able to tell me about his brother are long in the ground. But I'll start checking around. Thanks for the tip, Buck. E. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2179 **********************