WWI Digest 2175 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: A-H colours by KarrArt@aol.com 2) More pics from T.Genth! by Zulis@aol.com 3) Re: A-H colours by "David Calhoun" 4) Gotha G.VII (again) by Brent & Tina Theobald 5) cool night (ot) by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Building Report from Minnesota by Brent & Tina Theobald 7) Re: cool night (ot) by Brent & Tina Theobald 8) Re: A-H colours by Ray Boorman 9) Re: Caudron question by "Len Smith" 10) into the woods... by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: Mongram Camel, was Re: Hasegawa...thing by skarver@banet.net 12) Aviation films by Zulis@aol.com 13) Re: cool night (ot) by "DAVID BURKE" 14) Re: into the woods... by "DAVID BURKE" 15) Mattel vacuform by "David Calhoun" 16) Re: cool night (ot) by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) Re: cool night (ot) by Albatrosdv@aol.com 18) Re: Mattel vacuform by Albatrosdv@aol.com 19) Re: Gotha G.VII (again) by Steve Cox 20) Re: A-H colours by "Matthew Bittner" 21) Re: Caudron question by "Matthew Bittner" 22) Re: Aviation films by KarrArt@aol.com 23) Re: Aviation films by Lee Mensinger 24) new photos of old models by smperry@mindspring.com 25) Re: More pics from T.Genth! by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: new photos of old models by "Peter Leonard" 27) Re: new photos of old models by smperry@mindspring.com 28) Re: Mattel vacuform by Scottfking@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:24:06 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A-H colours Message-ID: <31.209a4c2.25f32d56@aol.com> In a message dated 3/4/00 6:09:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Never mind 18-65. When I dropped the SE-5a and started cussing and throwing things about (*merely* to let off steam, you understand ;-) my wife accused me of "acting like a 10 year old" 'Owzat! Out for a duck. Shane (BM SE-5a looks A-1 BTW, even more or less OoB. Not in the class of RK's hellacious SE-5a - but a fine kit nevertheless) >> A. next time you're accused of acting like a ten year old, accept it as compliment- ain't NO ONE more obsessive about getting things perfect than a ten year old doing something it likes. B. I had forgotten about that SE5a...I miss it. Never again. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:26:29 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: More pics from T.Genth! Message-ID: <4a.266eea2.25f32de5@aol.com> I was just bookmarking Mr.Genth's site and discovered that he has added more pics to his site - specifically, the Gotha page - yet more superb material. http://members.aol.com/tgenth/Page2.html Just a heads up for the gang.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:58:30 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: A-H colours Message-ID: <000801bf880a$ef220d60$aa083ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Pedro, Happy birthday! In regards to the AH UFAG C.1, The FMP book does not show any 2 gray scheme camouflage, the only profile of the C.1 is in a dark green (28F6) over greyish yellow (4C6) These are Methuen numbers which I don't have a book for, but the greyish yellow looks like Testors Israeli Sand, and the green looks like US olive drab. Hope this helps. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Pedro e Francisca To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, March 04, 2000 11:57 AM Subject: A-H colours > >Gang, > >since my never ending story with the FMP A-H book hasn't yet ended (I've >ordered it from the schoolar bookshelf 2 months ago but it still hasn't >got here) could anyone let me know if the two grey camo seen on UFAG CI >aircraft is composed of 1 light 1 dark grey or are both greys quite >dark. > >TIA > > >And Guys, have a glass on my oldest daughter (turning 14 today) and on >me (turning 40 today too. Guess that from now on I'm on the down wind >leg...... > > >Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:47:03 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Gotha G.VII (again) Message-ID: <38C1F4D7.8A75603F@airmail.net> Nobody wants to take an educated guess about the fuselage camo for the G.VII? I think I have been subscribed for a year and this is the first time I have asked a question that didn't elicit a few opinions. For as many questions I have asked that has got to be a really great question/answer ratio. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 01:25:15 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: cool night (ot) Message-ID: <37.22409de.25f357cb@aol.com> Well, finally... PBS finaly figured out that the no-brains who gush over Yanni on Mars or John Tesh at Uranus aren't the only the only people with checkbooks and credit cards. They have this *great* "Doo-wop 50" show they are using this Spring. You can put it to your own use: a nice Chardonnay, some cheese, tasty crackers, and... dirty dancing! For you mere children who don't know what it is, it's slooooooowwwww dancing, just dont get arrested by the teachers who are escorting the dance. Best foreplay on the planet, done right..... :-) Even the bushbabies who don't believe in PBS and think we all gotta entertain ourselves our own way can have a good night with this show. :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 00:28:24 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Building Report from Minnesota Message-ID: <38C1FE88.D5F48F44@airmail.net> Hello gang, As you may have noticed I am back at the PC after an extended stay in Minnesota. Unfortunately I can't tell you that I have completed the Aeroclub Re-8. I have become bogged down in scratching the map tables in the gunners compartment. Those datafiles are a blessing and a curse. I have also started a Halberstadt Cl-II/IV assembly line using CSM, Blue Max and Tom's Modelworks. It is my hope to get these done for the Nats. I have almost completed the Airfix Sopwith Pup and Toko Aviatik Berg D.I. The Pup is marked with the colorful trainer markings from Blue Rider. These decals were kindly donated by list member Rob Johnson IIRC. I have started the new Pegasus Airco DH-2. So far I have no complaints about this little kit. She'll be a little gem after I finish completely rigging the thing. Photos of these will be appearing on the Squadron web site soon along with the Toko Snipes ya'll helped me build. Something to note is that I have converted from the stainless steel wire rigging method to the invisible thread method. I found some .003 fishing line that looks great in scale. Other than that I have started a stack of Sierra Scale vacs. (It's kinda nice to cut them out at work while the computer is processing). The Gotha G.VII I have been talking about previously is leading the pack. This is followed closely by the Phoenix D.I and C.I. I am planning on taking the Fredrichshafen FF.33 and Blue Rider Farman up north next week too. I think I'll start on the Ilya again too... Another important issue is this is the longest I have gone without touching an ot project. Unfortunately this will change soon as I have been challenged to build a cursed 1*9 as part of the club's group build project. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 01:08:10 -0600 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: cool night (ot) Message-ID: <38C207DA.F7B4FC81@airmail.net> Hey Tom, > Best foreplay on the planet, done right..... :-) I can't help but think you aren't doing it right if you are typing emails. Or perhaps your already done! :) Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:49:21 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: "wwi" Subject: Re: A-H colours Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000304214459.00abbc20@pop.telus.net> Pedro, As others have said the grey schemes are not in FMP A-H. There is an article on two tone grey schemes in Windsock International Vol 12 #5 Sept/Oct 96. On the cover there is a Brandenburg C1 but no Ufag. If you don't have this copy email me offlist, I'll lend you mine. Ray >From: Pedro e Francisca >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Saturday, March 04, 2000 11:57 AM >Subject: A-H colours > > > > > >Gang, > > > >since my never ending story with the FMP A-H book hasn't yet ended (I've > >ordered it from the schoolar bookshelf 2 months ago but it still hasn't > >got here) could anyone let me know if the two grey camo seen on UFAG CI > >aircraft is composed of 1 light 1 dark grey or are both greys quite > >dark. > > > >TIA > > > > > >And Guys, have a glass on my oldest daughter (turning 14 today) and on > >me (turning 40 today too. Guess that from now on I'm on the down wind > >leg...... > > > > > >Pedro > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:36:52 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Caudron question Message-ID: <000701bf8679$80fd1e20$41857ed4@mesh> Matt, Not as far as I know, only for the G2, 3 and 4, and the R11. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 5:25 PM Subject: Caudron question > Does anybody know if there are kits for the Caudron G.5 and G.6? > > > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 06:51:10 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients Subject: into the woods... Message-ID: <38C2583D.79AAAA18@bellsouth.net> Hi all, Mardi Gras is upon us here in N.O., and with it comes a few hundred thousand ameture drunk tourists. So, like a true native son, I'm gettin the hell outtta Dodge. So off I go into the woods untill tuesday. Y'all play nice while I'm gone. And for those who are waiting for me to mail stuff to you, sorry, but I still haven't got caught up on my mailing. Please be patient. Later taters! E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:03:24 -0500 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mongram Camel, was Re: Hasegawa...thing Message-ID: <38C2692B.5E4EE814@banet.net> Good morning-- Shane, you wrote: > I'd say that it hasn't, just that not all of us get our fun in the same > fashion. The Camel in question is v.nice but not perfect. Stef (and > everyone) is entitled to an opinion, even a dissenting one, and if he feels > that pointing out something he feels is a fault will engender usefull > discussion - for instance, about better ways to do wood - I think he's well > within the bounds. and previously, ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:51:13 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aviation films Message-ID: Greetings! I was wandering around the internet today and stumbled across this site which lists aviation films (both on- and off-topic), the planes used and what they were intended to represent, and other information about the film. Thought it might interest some list members. http://www.coastcomp.com/av/fltline2/avmovie.htm Regards, Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:09:45 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: cool night (ot) Message-ID: <003f01bf86ce$a66fe840$0186aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >PBS finaly figured out that the no-brains who gush over Yanni on Mars or John >Tesh at Uranus aren't the only the only people with checkbooks and credit >cards. CLEAVER, YOU DIRTY SoB!!!!!!! Don't you ever, EVER MENTION THOSE NAMES IN MY PRESENCE AGAIN!!! There! You've done it! You've put me right off of my Pat Boone!! DB ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:14:06 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: into the woods... Message-ID: <004001bf86ce$a7534360$0186aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Ernie, Y'all's got the reet idear, and it is a partial blessing that things don't get so rabid up here - but they're trying awful hard! Have fun, spud! DB -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, March 05, 2000 6:53 AM Subject: into the woods... >Hi all, >Mardi Gras is upon us here in N.O., and with it comes a few hundred >thousand ameture drunk tourists. So, like a true native son, I'm gettin >the hell outtta Dodge. >So off I go into the woods untill tuesday. Y'all play nice while I'm >gone. >And for those who are waiting for me to mail stuff to you, sorry, but I >still haven't got caught up on my mailing. Please be patient. >Later taters! >E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:25:19 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Mattel vacuform Message-ID: <004501bf887b$a55aa7c0$032e3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi all, I need some help. I just got a Mattel vacuform on ebay. It seems to work well, heater heats up and pump draws vacuum, but it came without instructions. My question is where does one place master to be formed? Does it go over the hole or will this cause no vacuum? or does it need a special base with channels to allow air to draw down? If anyone has a set of original instructions that they can copy & send me please let me know. Maybe I can build an early Avro 504 cowl now. Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:13:34 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: cool night (ot) Message-ID: <88.14cfbec.25f40bde@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/100 2:24:47 AM EST, theobat1@airmail.net writes: << can't help but think you aren't doing it right if you are typing emails. Or perhaps your already done! :) >> Hehhehheh... :-) Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:18:58 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: cool night (ot) Message-ID: <8c.180b4ed.25f40d22@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/100 1:23:13 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << Don't you ever, EVER MENTION THOSE NAMES IN MY PRESENCE AGAIN!!! >> I promise, I never ever will ever!! I had some trepidation mentioning those names, knowing that I would likely get this sort of response from tasteful, intelligent folks like the residents of Duh List. Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:23:55 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mattel vacuform Message-ID: <33.213e939.25f40e4b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/100 1:25:42 PM EST, dcalhoun01@snet.net writes: << Hi all, I need some help. I just got a Mattel vacuform on ebay. It seems to work well, heater heats up and pump draws vacuum, but it came without instructions. My question is where does one place master to be formed? Does it go over the hole or will this cause no vacuum? or does it need a special base with channels to allow air to draw down? If anyone has a set of original instructions that they can copy & send me please let me know. Maybe I can build an early Avro 504 cowl now. Dave Calhoun >> Does it have a little table with holes in it to go over that hole? If you you need to make one. No problem. Just get some thicker styrene sheet, cut it, drill out some holes in it for the air to draw through (the more you have the better it works), and built up a base so it sits even. You put what you are going to vacuform in the middle of the table, because otherwise you will knock it off center when you flip the heated plastic over it and start drawing down. Another thing is that the object you are vacuforming over should be at least 3/16" above the table at its lowest point. I use balsa cut to fit to make a base for the piece, and something like modeling clay to hold it in position. If you have more questions, contact me off list. HTH Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:21:53 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Gotha G.VII (again) Message-ID: Brent, I have one picture of the G VII, in "German a/c of the First World War" by Gray & Thetford. It is not very clear but the impression is of lozenge pattern, on fuselage and wings. HTH Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Brent & Tina Theobald > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:39:49 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Gotha G.VII (again) > > Nobody wants to take an educated guess about the fuselage camo for the > G.VII? > > I think I have been subscribed for a year and this is the first time I > have asked a question that didn't elicit a few opinions. For as many > questions I have asked that has got to be a really great question/answer > ratio. > > Later! > > Brent > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 15:35:36 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: A-H colours Message-ID: <200003052138.NAA01835@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:03:05 -0500 (EST), David Calhoun wrote: > Happy birthday! In regards to the AH UFAG C.1, The FMP book does not show > any 2 gray scheme camouflage, the only profile of the C.1 is in a dark green > (28F6) over greyish yellow (4C6) These are Methuen numbers which I don't > have a book for, but the greyish yellow looks like Testors Israeli Sand, and > the green looks like US olive drab. The "problem" is the A-H book was published before the Windsock article made the A-H "greys" come to light. Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 15:38:52 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Caudron question Message-ID: <200003052141.NAA03348@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 03:08:21 -0500 (EST), Len Smith wrote: > Not as far as I know, only for the G2, 3 and 4, and the R11. Well then, another project for Barry! Hop to it, sir! That is, right after you do a Breguet V...right Bob? ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:00:25 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aviation films Message-ID: <6e.120a7fa.25f432f9@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/00 9:53:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << I was wandering around the internet today and stumbled across this site which lists aviation films (both on- and off-topic), the planes used and what they were intended to represent, and other information about the film. Thought it might interest some list members. http://www.coastcomp.com/av/fltline2/avmovie.htm Regards, Dave Zulis >> Jeez, thanks alot. I had planned to get some things accomplished today....now I'll be stuck reading this damn thing. One neat aspect is that the guy sometimes includes notes on where the movies were shot. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:44:56 -0600 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aviation films Message-ID: <38C2E368.A8FD5A09@wireweb.net> Robert, if you really are interested I have the Aviation film list on a 3.5 disk in Word format and I can send you one if you really want it. I made it fit 8.5 X 11 paper so it is 39 pages instead of 50. Still a bit large for an attachment. Lee KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/5/00 9:53:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com > writes: > > << > I was wandering around the internet today and stumbled across this site > which > lists aviation films (both on- and off-topic), the planes used and what they > were intended to represent, and other information about the film. > Thought it might interest some list members. > > http://www.coastcomp.com/av/fltline2/avmovie.htm > > Regards, > > Dave Zulis > >> > > Jeez, thanks alot. I had planned to get some things accomplished today....now > I'll be stuck reading this damn thing. > One neat aspect is that the guy sometimes includes notes on where the movies > were shot. > RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:56:34 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: new photos of old models Message-ID: <000901bf86f6$0f24a5c0$8c0156d1@default> I have just posted some photos of my early WWI models to my web page. There are two Albatri, a Hannover and a couple of Dr.1s all in dinky scale. The von Hipple 'tros spent 30 odd yrs in a box. the Udet 'tros was a recent impression of the same mold. The loss in sharpness of detail over the years the mold has been used was incredible. The scheme on the Voss tripe is my attempt to match the Airfix box (pre-List reference material). sp http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/c_gallery.htm E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:05:16 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More pics from T.Genth! Message-ID: <6d.1c51437.25f4422c@aol.com> In a message dated 3/4/00 7:29:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << I was just bookmarking Mr.Genth's site and discovered that he has added more pics to his site - specifically, the Gotha page - yet more superb material. http://members.aol.com/tgenth/Page2.html Just a heads up for the gang.... Dave Z >> I think poor Mr. Genth has been overwhelmed by all the attention- but he's glad about the reception! (and ooooooohhhhhhhh, I wish I had had his Gotha crash shot - the one that clearly shows the bottoms of the wings- when I was building the infamous model) RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:24:09 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new photos of old models Message-ID: <20000305232409.98421.qmail@hotmail.com> I'm a big fan of all the old warhorses and you've done a nice job with both of these. What are the streamers made of? Peter L ----Original Message Follows---- From: smperry@mindspring.com Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: new photos of old models Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:01:11 -0500 (EST) I have just posted some photos of my early WWI models to my web page. There are two Albatri, a Hannover and a couple of Dr.1s all in dinky scale. The von Hipple 'tros spent 30 odd yrs in a box. the Udet 'tros was a recent impression of the same mold. The loss in sharpness of detail over the years the mold has been used was incredible. The scheme on the Voss tripe is my attempt to match the Airfix box (pre-List reference material). sp http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/c_gallery.htm E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:29:55 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: new photos of old models Message-ID: <001d01bf86fa$b777f020$8c0156d1@default> > I'm a big fan of all the old warhorses and you've done a nice job with both of these. What are the streamers made of? > > Peter L Thanks Peter. The streamers are typing paper painted black. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:59:21 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mattel vacuform Message-ID: In a message dated 3/5/00 1:26:24 PM EST, dcalhoun01@snet.net writes: << My question is where does one place master to be formed? >> There should be a black plastic platform that fits into the rectangular recess opposite the heater plate, this has holes in it (for airflow) and a slot in the center IIRC, which was used as a locator for some of the molds supplied with the toy. You could probably make one from basswood if your Vacuform doesn't have one. I could give you some dimensions (hole size and spacing) if you need it. Skippy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2175 **********************