WWI Digest 2160 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 1/48 Ace Markings by "Bob Pearson" 2) Re: Louvers ?? by "Peter Leonard" 3) Re: Louvers ?? by PolTexCW@aol.com 4) by ERIC HIGHT 5) Re: (null) by "Matthew Bittner" 6) Re: Louvers ?? by "Lance Krieg" 7) Roundel Colors by "Lance Krieg" 8) Squadron Mail Order by "Lance Krieg" 9) Re: Roundel Colors by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: Squadron Mail Order - Hi Tech Roland by BStett3770@aol.com 11) Kits for beginners/ was: Louvers ?? by "Michael Kendix" 12) OTF Seminar room rates by "Bob Pearson" 13) Re: 1/48 Ace Decals AND NEW mailorder site!!! by THOMAS SOLINSKI 14) Re: Louvers ?? by THOMAS SOLINSKI 15) Re: Roundel Colors by ERIC HIGHT 16) Re: Louvers ?? by "Bob Pearson" 17) RE: Roundel Colors by Shane Weier 18) Re: Re: Louvres by PolTexCW@aol.com 19) RE: Roundel Colors by "Michael Kendix" 20) Re: Roundel Colors by KarrArt@aol.com 21) RE: Roundel Colors by Shane Weier 22) RE: Roundel Colors by Shane Weier 23) 1/48th Liberty engine - DH10 by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 24) Re: Roundel Colors by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Roundel Colors by THOMAS SOLINSKI 26) Re: 1/48th Liberty engine - DH10 by Ernest Thomas 27) Re: by "David Calhoun" 28) Re: Roundel Colors by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: Louvers ?? by Al Superczynski 30) Re: Roundel Colors by "Matthew Bittner" 31) Re: Louvers ?? by PolTexCW@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:25:26 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Ace Markings Message-ID: <200002241835.KAA21429@mail.rapidnet.net> For Ball's SE5, I did a conjectural profile of it for the FMP VC book that Alex Revell decided was just too speculative. This had red wheels and nose to the front u/c strut; Vickers gun above the cowl, not inside it; and 'A1' on the fuselage side below the cockpit. .. unfortunately someone lost this profile so I don't recall exactly what it was like ... but it was one of my favourite ones for the book. For the Eduard Sopwith Triplane, please note that they have the markings assigned to the wrong person ... CD Booker regularily flew 'Maud', while RR Soar flew 'Hilda'. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:53:20 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Louvers ?? Message-ID: <20000224185320.21493.qmail@hotmail.com> Crumbs! You must go even further back than me!!! A good way of modeling louvres in plastic is Evergreen 1/4 round rod. Just cut it to length and round off the ends, please yourself whether you hollow them out or suggest that with paint. hth Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:31:09 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Louvers ?? Message-ID: <4d.19d5f80.25e6e0fd@aol.com> In a message dated 2/24/00 1:56:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, peter_leonard@hotmail.com writes: << A good way of modeling louvres in plastic is Evergreen 1/4 round rod. Just cut it to length and round off the ends, please yourself whether you hollow them out or suggest that with paint. >> Of Course! What is available now is truly amazing. Super glue, plastic structural shapes, epoxy, cast resin accessories etc. I built my first kit in 1948 - made by Comet, cost 10p American - a set of 3-view drawings, a block of balsa for the fuselage, 1/8" sheet for the wings, 1/16" sheet for the tail surfaces and 2 turned wheels. Model paints were available in as many as 6 colors. It is unfortunate though, that there is so little available now that might attract a beginner. Thank you very much, John Biskupski ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:38:44 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000224123844.0095aed8@pop.amug.org> hey list, i could use some color help. this for the mos ai. any good matches for the roundel red and blue besides methuin numbers. any kits have good color to their decals? on shaffer's mount there are 2 birds on a back round. the birds look to be blue and the backround is yellow, what color yellow? on belguim rondels they are (out to in) red,yellow,black? again what color red and yellow. major thanks in advance. you guessed it i am working on the decal sheet for the ai. regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:53:07 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: (null) Message-ID: <200002241953.NAA26313@mail1.neonramp.com> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:50:01 -0500 (EST), ERIC HIGHT wrote: > i could use some color help. this for the mos ai. any good matches for > the roundel red and blue besides methuin numbers. any kits have good color > to their decals? Depends on the theory you subscribe to. If you like the "subdued" blue, then Pegasus, Americal and Blue Rider roundels are good. If not, then kit decals are what you want. There's a Polly Scale/Aeromaster acrylic paint I use for the "subdued" blue, but I'm at work away from my paints. Check my French web site for the actual paint (which is in my sig). > on shaffer's mount there are 2 birds on a back round. the birds look to be > blue and the backround is yellow, what color yellow? All of the color profiles I have seen suggest a mustard yellow, maybe going a little toward brown. Don't forget the white "surrounds" to Shaffer's number '11'. One decal I know of that recently came out left those off. ;-) > on belguim rondels they are (out to in) red,yellow,black? > again what color red and yellow. > > major thanks in advance. you guessed it i am working on the decal sheet > for the ai. Beautiful aircraft! I hope to finish my kit one of these days. Too bad Escadrille references for the type are scarce. Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:56:55 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Louvers ?? Message-ID: Peter has already provided a solution that simulates louvers, and I am prepared to endorse this approach as the most sane. If, however, you enjoy torturing yourself you can create fully functional louvers using either of these techniques: 1. Create a simple jig by slicing a louver-sized notch in the edge of a wooden sheet; a popsicle or craft stick works fine. Line up the edge of .010 or .005 plastic over the void, and emboss with a rounded tool, creating a single louver. Slice off the louver, advance the plastic to line up with the notch, and repeat until a sufficient pile of single louvers are accumulated. Ala: | | | C | | Glue together as many as are needed for the application on a sheet of glass, using liquid cement. Cut out the area of the model where the louvers are to go, and install the assembled louvered panel. Fill/sand the area to hide the joints. 2. Alternatively, vacuform the louver shapes, and slice them off, repeating the steps above. This is George Lee's method from the book "Scratchbuilt", and gives a more uniform shape than is possible by embossing. It works, and I am using it on the very pronounced louvers of a Hansa-Brandenburg W.12 that are visible from both sides. Is it worth the effort? Good question.... Sorry for the long post... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:21:24 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Roundel Colors Message-ID: Eric seeks: "the roundel red and blue besides methuin numbers..." and Matt responds: "Depends on the theory you subscribe to." I was unaware that there is a theory to this. The most respected decal makers and the Musee de l'AIr all show (fundamentally) the same colors: what Matt terms as "subdued". Is there another school of thought? Or just careless kit manufacturers? I, too, am at work, but seem to recall that the MS AI Mini-datafile has color renderings of the two escadrilles that used the craft operationally. I think I would call that background color "orange". Eric, does your message indicate that you do NOT want Methuen references? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:54:14 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Squadron Mail Order Message-ID: In addition to Alberto's outstanding article, the latest Fine Scale Modeler carried Squadron's advertisement for the Hi-Tech LFG Roland D.II in 1/48. This is the second month in a row, and the kit is marked down. However... They don't have any, and have never had any, and won't take orders for them. When I asked how I should go about buying one, they suggested I call back. I actually have a much better idea, and it involves not buying from Squadron at all. Are these kits available? Barry, when will Rosemont get any? TIA Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:01:13 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roundel Colors Message-ID: In a message dated 2/24/00 12:23:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << Eric, does your message indicate that you do NOT want Methuen references? Lance >> Forgetting whether it was Windsock, WW I Aero or just where, maybe some art mag, but I came across an article that seems to have slipped under the radar- the gist of which was that the Methuen books themselves don't match from copy to copy. Several copies were compared side by side, and nothing like uniformity appeared. This has thrown doubts about any color's description based on this supposedly uniform guide. Enjoy! RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:42:37 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squadron Mail Order - Hi Tech Roland Message-ID: Hi Lance Problem is the MMD - Squadron is he US supplier. I sent a Fax to HiTech about a week ago. Haven't received a reply yet, but understand they only speak French - so the reply will be a few day. I'll post to the group as I get information. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:49:54 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Kits for beginners/ was: Louvers ?? Message-ID: <20000224214954.35657.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: PolTexCW@aol.com > >It is unfortunate though, that there is so little available now that >might >attract a beginner. > John: I don't understand. Surely there are a large number of plastic kits suitable for young children. Perhaps not WWI but all those SnapTite and other simple kits? Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:46:51 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: OTF Seminar room rates Message-ID: <200002242247.OAA31166@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, For those who are planning on attending, but have yet to reserve their rooms, I have had the following from Jim Streckfuss ... "Go ahead and reserve your hotel room too so you don't miss the discounted rate. The cut off for that is 14 March." Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:29:07 -0600 From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Ace Decals AND NEW mailorder site!!! Message-ID: <38B5BEC2.1CFE00AE@home.com> > Just to add that the Glencoe French SPAD has a killer decal sheet which > includes a Guynemer option and is IMO worth the price of the kit But unfortunately with out other references the poorly copied instruction sheet doesn't quite tell you how to properly paint each of the associated airplanes. Roll models still lists the kit and the book w/ decals as available. And I found this as a US source of harder to find forign kits http://www.importedspecialties.com/ Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:56:43 -0600 From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Louvers ?? Message-ID: <38B5C53B.EBD5BFB6@home.com> > John Biskupski Hey Guys!!! Tom Gronczewski Maciej Szymanski Thomas Solinski John Biskupski Al Superczynski John Cyganowski We're catching up with the DAVES!! We'll have to start a section dedicated to SKI's!!! Tom Solinski P.S Welcome to the list John!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:59:19 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roundel Colors Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000224165919.0095fbb4@pop.amug.org> lance and matt, thanks. yes, i am NOT looking for muthen numbers as i already have them and they are kinda useless since noboby has these books. i'll duck as i ask this but how are the colors on the eduard n17.(profipack) i don't have any of the other decals or paint mentioned. i have the white outlines for the numbers. so the color on the back of the data file,a mustardy yellow brown, is correct. all that's left is the belgium one any takers? thanks again. eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:01:28 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Louvers ?? Message-ID: <200002250102.RAA03764@mail.rapidnet.net> > We'll have to start a section dedicated to SKI's!!! > And then the kids and their snowboards will com and take it over ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:06:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Roundel Colors Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D5F@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > Forgetting whether it was Windsock, WW I Aero or just where, > maybe some art > mag, but I came across an article that seems to have slipped > under the > radar- the gist of which was that the Methuen books > themselves don't match > from copy to copy. Several copies were compared side by side, > and nothing > like uniformity appeared. This has thrown doubts about any color's > description based on this supposedly uniform guide. You have to take account of the reason these books were published. They are intended to provide a method which any colour can be described to another person with the same book. The assumption here, is that the books will be bought in multiples by companies/universities with such a need. It *must* be so, because the samples are printed, and suffer from fading like any other inks - so long as you have two (or more) purchased and handled similarly the colours will remain close enough to allow comparison *between books*. This incidentally allows Methuen to produce more than one edition, and not have to have the colours match between runs - a difficult task in any case. Methuen tells you that the different printings don't match and were never expected to if you ask - I did this four or five years ago. The problem is that we are using the books for a purpose they were never intended to fill. I'd be more astonished if a copy of Methuen held in Australian heat and light for 10 years bore much relationship to one held in cool and clammy England than if they differed markedly. What we *really* need is a series of colour fast paint chips matched to "known" (yeah, right) WW1 colours and sold in a handy dandy fan pack that can be used to beat sh*t out of any member of the colour police waving it at a model. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:20:21 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Louvres Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded - all the suggestions have been of a great help. John Biskupski ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:33:07 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Roundel Colors Message-ID: <20000225013307.39441.qmail@hotmail.com> Shane: My meagre knowledge of physics (SCHOFIELD, SCHOFIELD help here), lead me to think that any colour can be defined by its wavelength or point on the electromagnetic spectrum. I believe that the technology exists for this type of measurement, so what we need is a sort of "Light" gun. You point the gun at the paint and the display on the gun gives a wavelength reading. Add different colour paints until you get the desired reading. Michael >From: Shane Weier >What we *really* need is a series of colour fast paint chips matched >to >"known" (yeah, right) WW1 colours and sold in a handy dandy fan >pack that >can be used to beat sh*t out of any member of the colour >police waving it >at a model. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:40:44 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roundel Colors Message-ID: In a message dated 2/24/00 5:16:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Methuen tells you that the different printings don't match and were never expected to if you ask - I did this four or five years ago.>> well aren't we special? The point is that it's become to so easy to speak of Methuen this and Methuen that, when Fred's copy isn't going to match Elmo's's copy. <> I completely agree that such a "weapon" would be dandy! And if these color chips are in the form of the ceramic color plates made for the USAAC in the 'tween the wars period, so much the better. RK Shane >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:20:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Roundel Colors Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D61@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Michael > My meagre knowledge of physics (SCHOFIELD, SCHOFIELD help > here), lead me to > think that any colour can be defined by its wavelength or > point on the > electromagnetic spectrum. I believe that the technology > exists for this > type of measurement, so what we need is a sort of "Light" > gun. You point > the gun at the paint and the display on the gun gives a > wavelength reading. > Add different colour paints until you get the desired reading. > The obvious benefit being that you could pistol whip the colour police instead. I like it ! In any case - nope, colours are *not* able to be defined at "its wavelength or point on the electromagnetic spectrum" An analysis of a colour gives a nice graph with a bunch of peaks and valleys representing different intensities at different wavelengths, rather than some simple co-ordinate. This is one reason why matching colours in a way that is meaningfull under any light is bloody difficult. Pigments have characteristic spectra which may vary even in pigments which (alone) appear identical. Mix each of these two with a third pigment and the two resulting colours may differ, or may differ under certain conditions. Incidentally, your "gun" would also be at the mercy of surface texture, coatings, dust, reflections, ambient lighting and so on *and* need calibrating like any other electronic instrument or it too will be subject to the digital equivalent of fading. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:27:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Roundel Colors Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D62@mimhexch.mim.com.au> RK, > well aren't we special? The point is that it's become to so > easy to speak of > Methuen this and Methuen that, when Fred's copy isn't going > to match Elmo's's copy. Yup. It's why we should take a big grain of salt with these notations *and* also why I stopped looking for a copy. Now, if I could get *two* identical copies, and send one to Len to compare with the SE-5a at the RAFM and send me the results - I'd be using the books how they were intended. > I completely agree that such a "weapon" would be dandy! And > if these color > chips are in the form of the ceramic color plates made for > the USAAC in the > 'tween the wars period, so much the better. Mmm. Something really colourfast. I also have a vision of "ceramic plates" which surely doesn't match yours but puts an entertaining picture into the minds eye of a colour policeman fleeing a contest hall trailed by flying plates, invective and the sound of smashing ceramic. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:55:33 -0600 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1FAQ" Subject: 1/48th Liberty engine - DH10 Message-ID: <002d01bf7f3b$cd9bc8c0$ae2c57d8@cnlduckwor> Work has consumed much time lately so I've generally been it a 'lurking' mode but I am still doing some modeling. FB Berg D.I is done up to the point of rigging. I recently picked up an K&B/Aurora 1/48th DH-10A and armed with the Datafile I want to build aircraft F1867 that made the operational sortie on 11/10/18 with No. 104 Squadron against Sarrebourg aerodome. I need to redo the DH-10A model back to an DH-10 with the engines mounted on struts vs directly on the bottom wing. While I'm redoing the engine nacelles does anyone recall a source for Liberty engines in 1/48th either in white metal or resin? Also I haven't seen many comments from members discussing the pro/cons of the second volume on the Fokker DVII anthology is it worth the $35.00 for 64 pages of material? Thanks, Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:56:39 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roundel Colors Message-ID: <4d.19fb612.25e74967@aol.com> In a message dated 2/24/00 6:35:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Mmm. Something really colourfast. I also have a vision of "ceramic plates" which surely doesn't match yours but puts an entertaining picture into the minds eye of a colour policeman fleeing a contest hall trailed by flying plates, invective and the sound of smashing ceramic. Shane >> I LIKE it! A storm of shattering crockery! Plus an episode like this might make the evening TV news, and publicise our little nook of the "hobby" world. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:14:04 -0600 From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roundel Colors Message-ID: <38B5F37C.1C3ABCF9@home.com> > but puts an entertaining picture into the minds eye of a colour policeman > fleeing a contest hall trailed by flying plates, invective and the sound of > smashing ceramic. Honest Constable, I was just trying to match authentic blood stain colo(u)r :-) TomS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 21:17:21 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48th Liberty engine - DH10 Message-ID: <12D56BC0.E8EE5625@bellsouth.net> Charles and Linda Duckworth wrote: > While I'm redoing the engine nacelles does anyone recall a source for > Liberty engines in 1/48th either in white metal or resin? Charlie, Aeroclub does a white metal Liberty. Looks good. I've got two for my DH-10, which I hope to build one of these days. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:20:29 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Message-ID: <00ef01bf80ea$bfb6e400$2dd33ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Eric, I have been using the Americal French roundels for quite a while, and I am told Pegasus uses the same color red and blue in their French decals. An almost perfect match for this blue is Testors Intermediate blue (used on WW2 navy aircraft). The red is darker than insignia red, I add a little black to get a good match. I had to hand paint the markings on my 1/24 scale Nieuport 17 and used these colors, matching the Americal 1/48 scale Lafayette Escadrille decals. Hope this helps, since I have seen many different colors for the French - some really light, and some matching U.S. insignia blue, since I haven't seen actual fabric samples, who knows which is correct. I guess you will have to study photos of aircraft at the French air museum, remembering that these colors have faded over the last 80 years. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: ERIC HIGHT To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:50 AM >hey list, >i could use some color help. this for the mos ai. any good matches for >the roundel red and blue besides methuin numbers. any kits have good color >to their decals? > >on shaffer's mount there are 2 birds on a back round. the birds look to be >blue and the backround is yellow, what color yellow? > >on belguim rondels they are (out to in) red,yellow,black? >again what color red and yellow. > >major thanks in advance. you guessed it i am working on the decal sheet >for the ai. >regards, >eric > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 21:20:51 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roundel Colors Message-ID: <12D56C92.24A6D953@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > I LIKE it! A storm of shattering crockery! Plus an episode like this might > make the evening TV news, and publicise our little nook of the "hobby" world. I've always said, "Bad press is better thatn no press." This would difinitely test that theory. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:45:42 -0600 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Louvers ?? Message-ID: <3p1cbs0m6la79d9u34u730v2tv4a2fhg1c@4ax.com> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:09:50 -0500 (EST), Tom Ski wrote: >Tom Gronczewski >Maciej Szymanski >Thomas Solinski >John Biskupski >Al Superczynski >John Cyganowski >We're catching up with the DAVES!! > >We'll have to start a section dedicated to SKI's!!! Ssshhh! The Underground Polish Modelers Society/USA Branch (UPMS/USA) is supposed to be a *secret*, knucklehead. Dagnabbed big mouth Polack. Years of infiltration gone to waste. Sheesh........ ;-p Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:29:15 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Roundel Colors Message-ID: <200002242029.OAA27362@mail1.neonramp.com> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:26:36 -0500 (EST), Lance Krieg wrote: > I was unaware that there is a theory to this. The most respected decal makers and the Musee de l'AIr all show (fundamentally) the same colors: what Matt terms as "subdued". Is there another school of thought? Or just careless kit manufacturers? Some adhere to a much "bluer" blue in the roundel. You sometimes get this with kit decals. In fact, most kit decals I have seen has this "blue" color. > I, too, am at work, but seem to recall that the MS AI Mini-datafile has color renderings of the two escadrilles that used the craft operationally. I think I would call that background color "orange". Yes, the M-D does have color profiles of both, as does a certain list member whom forgot the white surrounds to the '11' on Shaffer's aircraft. ;-) It's not orange as one would think of pumpkins, but definitely a "yellow-orange" color. Not yellow, not orange, but somewhere in between? Is this specific enough for ya? ;-) Matt Bittner http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:15:25 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Louvers ?? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/25/0 12:48:13 AM, modeleral@up-link.net writes: <> Podziemne Polskie Towarzystwo Modelarskie? How do I join? Do I get to take part in conspiracies? Do not reveal this to the List, for I am sure that I shall condemned for heresy, but I am NOT doing WW I stuff, rather building the entire Polish Army as of September, 1939 in 1/35th. I lurk, hoping to scavenge tidbits, in that some Polish equipment of that time - especially artillery - was of W.W.I vintage. Thus far, I have scrounged some very good stuff. John Biskupski PS: What, exactly, are we infiltrating? Do I get to be a Terrorist? Do I get a uniform? ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2160 **********************