WWI Digest 2154 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution by "Lance Krieg" 2) RE: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution by Shane Weier 3) RE: "All The King's Men" by "John Glaser" 4) Re: "All The King's Men" by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: "All The King's Men" by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: "All The King's Men" by "DAVID BURKE" 7) RE: "All The King's Men" by Shane Weier 8) PMMS website address. by David Solosy 9) Re: "All The King's Men" by Ray Boorman 10) Re: PMMS website address. by "Matthew Bittner" 11) Future query No.2 by "Bob Pearson" 12) Re: "All The King's Men" by "Michael Kendix" 13) Re: Future query No.2 by Zulis@aol.com 14) Re: Future query No.2 by "Lee Mensinger" 15) RE: Future query No.2 by Shane Weier 16) RE: Future query No.2 by Shane Weier 17) Re: "All The King's Men" by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: Colour Profile by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: Future query No.2 by "Lee Mensinger" 20) RE: Future query No.2 by Ray Boorman 21) Re: "All The King's Men" by "DAVID BURKE" 22) RE: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution by "Michael Kendix" 23) RE: Future query No.2 now kero burner ;( by Ray Boorman 24) Re: "All The King's Men" by Zulis@aol.com 25) Re: "All The King's Men" by "cameron rile" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:29:15 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution Message-ID: Michael is looking for: "the Brumowski Distribution, I think. Which parts of the aeroplane do the tresses cover." Which covers the top surfaces of wings and tailplane, as well as the fuselage spine. Americal Gryphon has very complete decals to replicate this in 1/48 and 1/72... it would be very tricky to pull this off in the dinky scale. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:07:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D3C@mimhexch.mim.com.au> > Michael is looking for: > > "the Brumowski Distribution, I think. Which parts of the > aeroplane do the tresses cover." > > Which covers the top surfaces of wings and tailplane, as well > as the fuselage spine. Americal Gryphon has very complete > decals to replicate this in 1/48 and 1/72... it would be very > tricky to pull this off in the dinky scale. > Americal has Brumowski alright #56 Brumowski Distribution $ 6.50 .....but be carefull, it *isn't* the sworl camo, which AFAIK Americal have never done. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:30:54 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <000901bf7ccc$15839220$8d00000a@johnghome> *Next* took another 23 years to happen. Lest we forget the sacrifices in *both* wars. All they did was save democracy. - JG -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 3:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: "All The King's Men" DB, > who knows, if they had, then England might have > been able to win > the war without the U.S. having to step in at the end. > You should next watch the BBC (I think) production in 6 parts about WW1. In the final episode a US historian makes the *accurate* point that the US involvement from a purely military perspective was negligible. Where you guys shone was as a threat to what would happen *next*, and as a source of supply. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:09:17 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <004b01bf7ccc$d6b4a9c0$4294aec7@dora9sprynet.com> That was what I was referring to. That was the poem that talked about a corner of the field being 'forever England', IIRC. That was the one. I did not mean that there was no great poetry coming from WW1 - just that a Hollyweird moovee would cram it full of semi-hallucinogenic ranting, and I would get VERY bored. DB -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 4:51 PM Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" >In a message dated 2/21/100 5:08:46 PM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > ><< Some astonishingly *good* > poetry came from WW1, mostly English, and worth a read if you *really* want > to feel ill about it all. >> > >Russell Baker read some Siegfried Sassoon at the end of this show that was >directly on point about the "glory" of war. Sassoon to me is the best poet >to ever come out of a war. > >Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:28:26 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <004e01bf7ccc$d9af9a40$4294aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >DB, > >> who knows, if they had, then England might have >> been able to win >> the war without the U.S. having to step in at the end. >> > >You should next watch the BBC (I think) production in 6 parts about WW1. > >In the final episode a US historian makes the *accurate* point that the US >involvement from a purely military perspective was negligible. Where you >guys shone was as a threat to what would happen *next*, and as a source of >supply. > >Shane > Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to claim that the U.S. came in and won it all, but seeing as how the Allies had depleted their manpower, the French army was starting to mutiny, and the number of English, Australian, etc young men with all four limbs and combat-suitable was decreasing, and Russia had bugged off, I'd say that we were a welcome sight coming over the hill. As for the threat value: you are dead-on there, bub. Once the new and large pool of men started to arrive, the message was pretty clear to the other side: the longer U.S. troops stay over here in Europe, the more gonorrhea we'll spread on the continent (I wonder if there was any trouble with diseases re-introduced to Europe from the U.S. - if so, I'd expect that one to be trouble). DB (who has been taking a class in Napoleonic Warfare, and has learned that catching a dose of the clap was a common way to avoid combat even back in Nappy's day!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:35:19 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <004f01bf7ccc$da6fdd00$4294aec7@dora9sprynet.com> NO NO NO! Shane, re-read what I said: I was referring to what Hollywood would likely do to the subject, inflicting it with delirious ramblings - I said NOTHING about the poetry written DURING WWI, rather I think that it and the American Civil War were two conflicts that inspired the greatest amounts of literature and also poetry. I was saying that I feel that the U.K./Australian filmmakers do a better job of presenting warfare in film (i.e., lacking in drool) SINCE APOCALYPSE NOW. PLEASE, don't everybody start pointing out exceptions to this, as I probably own quite a few of them. But you mis-read me there, and if through sloppy writing I put across the view that I didn't like the stuff that came out of WWI, I hope that this straightens it out. DB -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: RE: "All The King's Men" >I said: > > >> In the final episode a US historian makes the *accurate* >> point that the US >> involvement from a purely military perspective was >> negligible. Where you >> guys shone was as a threat to what would happen *next*, and >> as a source of supply. > >..and regret the wording - it sounds as if I "dis" the efforts of the >Doughboys who did take part in the first great unpleasantness. Nothing is >further from the truth - they showed as much guts and skill as anyone else >in that awful environment. It's just a fact that by the time of Meuse the >German line had already collapsed and was being rolled back by Canadians, >Kiwis, Aussies and the remnants after nearly 5 years warfare of Great >Britains youth. The AEF's biggest contribution was as a reserve "in being" > >An aside - DB mentions *bad* poetry about warfare. Some astonishingly *good* >poetry came from WW1, mostly English, and worth a read if you *really* want >to feel ill about it all. Quite a lot was written in what we would now call >psychiatric hospitals ! > >Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:52:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D3D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Dave > NO NO NO! Shane, re-read what I said: I was referring to > what Hollywood > would likely do to the subject, inflicting it with delirious > ramblings - I > said NOTHING about the poetry written DURING WWI, Sorry, but I wasn't accusing you of anything of the sort. I KNOW you didn't say a thing about WW1 poetry. I simply read your comments about bad voiceovers and poetry, and thought of the excellent stuff written during WW1 which I'd been listening to two days ago. I wanted to tell the list that there was good OT stuff out there worth a read Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:00:24 +0800 From: David Solosy To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: PMMS website address. Message-ID: Here's URL for Perth Military Modelling Society site, for those who may be interested. Several WW1 aircraft in the Aircraft and Reviews pages, also some figures and a tank in other sections.   http://pmms.webace.com.au/   David Solosy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:04:04 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000221165639.00a84100@pop.telus.net> David, I have a feeling that everyone was far more affected by the Flu pandemic that followed on the heels of wwi. At 07:47 PM 2/21/2000 -0500, DAVID BURKE wrote: > (I wonder if there was any trouble with >diseases re-introduced to Europe from the U.S. - if so, I'd expect that one >to be trouble). Oh and just to keep the Brits side up and yes I know you didnt post this. But it wasnt just the Brits who had too many buffoons in command. I would say all sides had that problem. Your napoleonic quote reminded me of one of Boneys famous remarks 100 years before, and this would equate to Galipoli. "Some of the best fighting men in Europe, but the worst led" Supposedly a quote after watching a charge of British Cavalry........ Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:38:05 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: PMMS website address. Message-ID: <200002220140.RAA10992@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:06:45 -0500 (EST), David Solosy wrote: > Here's URL for Perth Military Modelling Society site, for those who may be > interested. Several WW1 aircraft in the Aircraft and Reviews pages, also > some figures and a tank in other sections. They need to add 1/72nd to the list of New Kit News. Pretty bad, if you ask me. ;-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:09:39 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Future query No.2 Message-ID: <200002220309.TAA05721@mail.rapidnet.net> Sprayed the gloss coat. . looks great. . now how long do I wait before decaling, and after the final gloss coat over the decals. . what can I use as a flat coat? How does Testors Flat spray work? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:16:29 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <20000222031629.79602.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" >Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:49:50 -0500 (EST) > >In a message dated 2/21/100 3:43:13 PM EST, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: > << Yes, but we needed Churchill about 25 years later, so lucky we < >Gallipoli wasn't Churchill's fault, though he had to "fall on his >sword" >for it... Tom: Maybe this is getting a bit off topic but I am uncertain about Churchill's culpability. I've read a fair amount on Gallipoli, including Churchill's "World Crisis", and what you say is true. Churchill made the mistake of believing that these men could carry out his plan. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:18:07 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future query No.2 Message-ID: <5f.1bc838c.25e359ef@aol.com> In a message dated 00-02-21 22:13:34 EST, you write: << Sprayed the gloss coat. . looks great. . now how long do I wait before decaling, and after the final gloss coat over the decals. . what can I use as a flat coat? How does Testors Flat spray work? >> I decaled only a couple of hours after applying the Future - no problems. I seem to recall that one list member even uses the Future WHILE decalling, but I am not a man of such courage. Didnt try the Testors Flat, but I doubt much can hurt that Future stuff. DZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:26:40 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future query No.2 Message-ID: <38B201EF.7AFBAA34@wireweb.net> Over future you can use most flats with an airbrush. It is an acrylic. Lee M. Bob Pearson wrote: > Sprayed the gloss coat. . looks great. . now how long do I wait before > decaling, and after the final gloss coat over the decals. . what can I use > as a flat coat? How does Testors Flat spray work? > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:24:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Future query No.2 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D40@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Bob, > Sprayed the gloss coat. . looks great. . now how long do I > wait before > decaling, I find the stuff incredibly forgiving - decal as little as ten minutes after it's touch dry *though* in hot Brisbane a few extra minutes may be equal to half an hour there. > and after the final gloss coat over the decals. . > what can I use as a flat coat? I build WW1 aircraft, so flat finishes are seldom appropriate, but Aeromaster satin, in both acrylic and enamel forms has worked just fine, so I assume their flat would be okay >How does Testors Flat spray work? You'd better ask someone else. I had a bad experience with that stuff which may have been my fault but......... Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:29:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Future query No.2 Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D41@mimhexch.mim.com.au> DZ > I > seem to recall that one list member even uses the Future > WHILE decalling, but I am not a man of such courage. Experiment. On the highly unlikely ;-) assumption that you'd have a "no step" decal for a kero burner handy, do the following. Wet the decal. When it's about ready to release, place a small drop of Future on a piece of painted scrap card - since you wouldn't have a kero burner kit would you ?. Slip the decal into the drop of Future, align as required. Sop up excess Future. As the Future under the decal dries it will pull the decal down into any engraved detail smaller than the Grand Canyon, and leave no silvering unless you truly have the decal from hell. I have done this on *matt* surfaces without the slightest problem Marvelous stuff Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:28:50 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <20000222032850.43258.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "DAVID BURKE" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" >Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:47:13 -0500 (EST) > >That was what I was referring to. That was the poem that talked >about a >corner of the field being 'forever England', IIRC. That was >the one. > David: I think that particular poem was by Rupert Brooke, not Sassoon. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:32:29 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Colour Profile Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/00 1:22:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, scho@ww1.org.uk writes: << *Ruston Camel Profile* I would appreciate any constructive criticisms - I've just spent 12 hours on the bits of artwork for the page and have decided it would have been simpler to paint the damn things with a brush ;-) Scho http://www.ww1.org.uk >> I don't know if it qualifies as "constructive" or "criticism", but you got the information across- and since that's the point, you've succeded!........and if it were me, it WOULD'VE been quicker work with a brush. Scanners are a celestial gift.....grab some paper and paint, then slop, dribble and smear..let it dry, then scan the sucker. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:41:22 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future query No.2 Message-ID: <38B20562.17AE8313@wireweb.net> You can apply the decals anytime after the initial Future coating. (I like to give it lots of time to dry first.) It will help them snuggle down and help them do a disappearing act. If you use a semi gloss coat in the first place you may not need any gloss coating but Future, and then the flat. Might help to experiment with a scrap item. Lee M. Bob Pearson wrote: > Sprayed the gloss coat. . looks great. . now how long do I wait before > decaling, and after the final gloss coat over the decals. . what can I use > as a flat coat? How does Testors Flat spray work? > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:40:19 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Future query No.2 Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000221193104.00a7f290@pop.telus.net> When you decal, if you use solvaset, Mircrosol etc. If the future goes milky coloured don't touch it, just let it all dry 30 mins or so and the milky cast goes back to clear. As to decaling with future, well it does work and I have tried it. But what scares me about this is that if the decal doesn't settle down properly first time, its too late since its been coated with acrylic. Does anyone have any solutions to this, its never happened to me but it does seem a flaw in the process and I only tried this once since it scared me too much. (Its hard enough to get to a finish point let alone take too to many risks) Oh last point you can mix most flat acrylics with future to get whichever satin effect you want. hths Ray At 10:28 PM 2/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Bob, > > > > Sprayed the gloss coat. . looks great. . now how long do I > > wait before > > decaling, > >I find the stuff incredibly forgiving - decal as little as ten minutes after >it's touch dry *though* in hot Brisbane a few extra minutes may be equal to >half an hour there. > > > and after the final gloss coat over the decals. . > > what can I use as a flat coat? > >I build WW1 aircraft, so flat finishes are seldom appropriate, but >Aeromaster satin, in both acrylic and enamel forms has worked just fine, so >I assume their flat would be okay > > >How does Testors Flat spray work? > >You'd better ask someone else. I had a bad experience with that stuff which >may have been my fault but......... > >Shane > > > > > > > >************************************************************** >The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential >and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). >If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution >or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are >requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems >to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. >E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. >************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:39:15 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <004901bf7ce6$73020de0$2e81aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Well hell. I guess that sometimes ya just can't win.... DB -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 9:32 PM Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" >>From: "DAVID BURKE" >>Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >>To: Multiple recipients of list >>Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" >>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:47:13 -0500 (EST) >> >>That was what I was referring to. That was the poem that talked >about a >>corner of the field being 'forever England', IIRC. That was >the one. >> > >David: > >I think that particular poem was by Rupert Brooke, not Sassoon. > >Michael > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:44:01 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution Message-ID: <20000222034401.78996.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Shane Weier >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution >Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:10:20 -0500 (EST) > > > Michael is looking for: > > > > "the Brumowski Distribution, I think. Which parts of the > > aeroplane do the tresses cover." > > > > Which covers the top surfaces of wings and tailplane, as well > > as the fuselage spine. Americal Gryphon has very complete > > decals to replicate this in 1/48 and 1/72... it would be very > > tricky to pull this off in the dinky scale. > > > >Americal has Brumowski alright > >#56 Brumowski Distribution $ 6.50 > >....but be carefull, it *isn't* the sworl camo, which AFAIK Americal have >never done. > >Shane > > and... >Brumowski distribution was a locally applied hand painted finish of (IIRC >without my books) little "S" shapes. Being hand applied I'd >imagine a hand >applied model finish to be appropriate. Hit Kit >*doesn't* supply Brumowski >though, they supply the AH sworl fabric >which wass actually factory >printed like German loz. Shane: Yes, the Hit Kit has the tresses or "Locken and Tupfen" (locks of hair and smudges)as described in Americal's sheet 56. The "Sworl" or "Swirl" pattern "printed like German loz" as you say, is something entirely different. That sworl is at the lower left hand corner of page 37 of the Japo book, and Mike Franklin is trying to do that. I'm talking about the tresses or locken and tupfen. As Lance says, the top surfaces had this locken and tupfen but on 153.52 the lower wing surfaces looked covered too. Is this JaPo profile and the Hit Kit box art conjectural? Should I do some non A-H stuff:) As we're on the subject, which crosses should be on the plane; white edges or not? Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:57:11 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Future query No.2 now kero burner ;( Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000221195318.00a81b50@pop.telus.net> At 10:32 PM 2/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: >DZ > > > I > > seem to recall that one list member even uses the Future > > WHILE decalling, but I am not a man of such courage. > >Experiment. On the highly unlikely ;-) assumption that you'd have a "no >step" decal for a kero burner handy, do the following. > >Wet the decal. When it's about ready to release, place a small drop of >Future on a piece of painted scrap card - since you wouldn't have a kero >burner kit would you ?. But Shane wasnt there a pre-war (1910 or1912 ) kero burner that burned itself to a crisp in paris...... I'm only half joking I'm sure I have read about a Coanda something or other that had what could be considered a jet engine. It never flew since it set fire to itself. Of course I could be dreaming.... Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:20:07 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: I am not an expert on poetry, but I am often amazed at how literate many of the fliers were. It seems as if every other guy was keeping a diary (how many do that now?) and some were exceptional writers. Yes, when you see the originals, there were many spelling and grammar mistakes - nice to see some things never change - but the point is, they were WRITING. One of the things I really like about that time in history .... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:34:06 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID:
David,

>Please pardon my omission of the ANZAC forces.  If anything, that campaign
>was theirs, and few have ever been as brave and gallant as they.

Not really. British, French and Indian troops took part in the campaign as well and
if I recall correctly the French, British and Indian numbers were greater than the number
of ANZACs. Important as Gallipoli is to Australia and New Zealand it is a bit of a shame
that the other nations, including Turkey, arent remembered as well in histories of that
campaign.

Australia was only 14 years past Federation ( self government ) and one
myth is a nation doesnt come of age until it is blooded in battle. For Australia and New
Zealand, Gallipoli was the being blooded or coming of age of the nations.

ANZAC day from the first official one in 1919 in England to today, ranks as
Australia's greatest day, greater even than Australia Day. If you ever get the
chance, watch a parade in a major city on ANZAC Day and then wonder round
the watering holes afterwards. A good page on the ANZACs in Gallipoli is
Bryn Dolans page;

   http://surfline.ne.jp/3dolans/Anzac%20Pages/Index.html
 
   Another excellent site;

   http://www.lighthorse.org.au/
   http://www.ake.quik.co.nz/phoar/

   The AFC page has more AIF and ANZAC links off of it too.

A funny story of ANZAC Day, in 1919 the King of England watched as a parade of
AIF men marched down the main street of London, they gave the AFC planes to be
a part of the parade. They spent the time dogfighting above London with each other.
Finally Cobby in a  Camel and Robertson in a Pup swooped down above the marching
soldiers heads and then realized that they were stuck between the buildings and the
telegraph wires above! They both had to fly at 25 feet until they got to Trafalger Square
where they could get to get out from under the wires and climb again. Cobby mentions
in his bio it was lucky that he was first, if the pup had of swooped down first he
would have caught it in the faster Camel with nowhere to go.



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