WWI Digest 2153 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Osprey books by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) Re: "All The King's Men" by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: Osprey books by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: "All The King's Men" by Robert M Farrar III 5) Was Re: DH4 now MAP plan packs by "Paul G." 6) Plan DH4 from outer space by "Paul E. Thompson" 7) RE: Plan DH4 from outer space by "dfernet0" 8) Future tense? by "Bob Pearson" 9) Re: Has Anybody tried this??? by Ray Boorman 10) Re: "All The King's Men" by "Michael Kendix" 11) Re: Future tense? by "DAVID BURKE" 12) Re: "All The King's Men" by "DAVID BURKE" 13) Colour Profile by "Steven Schofield" 14) Re: Future tense? by "Peter Leonard" 15) RE: "All The King's Men" by Shane Weier 16) RE: "All The King's Men" by Shane Weier 17) Re: Aviatik B.I and B.II kits by "John Sharp" 18) Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution by "Michael Kendix" 19) UK VCR Alert by "John Sharp" 20) RE: "All The King's Men" by Shane Weier 21) RE: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution by Shane Weier 22) Re: Spad help needed by BStett3770@aol.com 23) Re: Colour Profile by THOMAS SOLINSKI 24) Re: "All The King's Men" by Albatrosdv@aol.com 25) Re: "All The King's Men" by Albatrosdv@aol.com 26) Re: Colour Profile by "Bill Bacon" 27) RE: "All The King's Men" by Shane Weier 28) Re: Future tense? by "Bob Pearson" 29) Re: "All The King's Men" by "Bob Pearson" 30) Re: Colour Profile by Ray Boorman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:26:46 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Osprey books Message-ID: <90.f88de6.25e2dd66@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/100 1:16:44 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << Pretty much all of it sounds right enough to me without any deafening 'clangers'. Not as bad as some magazines and books I've read. >> It is a well-done series, since to my knowledge most of the clangers are very obscure, some of which only pop out on a second or third reading - like recently discovering a statement that a one-oh-G-6-thingie was powered by a DB601E. Minor but telling, and could have been an unspotted typo (I know I have certainly been guilty of those). As regards name-dropping, it's a very small world, and if you are living where most of them either live (Henry) or visit frequently (Barrett), you're going to run across them. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:29:21 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <00a201bf7c99$93faf040$f487aec7@dora9sprynet.com> For the next WWI pic, I nominate Michael Palin to do his 'Sergeant Major' bit similar to Python's 'Meaning of Life'. Apoplexy has never been totally demonstrated as well. I thought that I recognized a few faces in the show. If I may be indulged for a second here, I realize why I really liked "All The King's Men", as well as many Masterpiece and U.K./Australian pics on WWI (and war in general), and that is that they are not as heavily infected with Viet Nam-itis in their screenwriting departments. For instance, there's such a demand for the gorey blood-and-brains-and-happy-natives-and-disembodied-voice-spouting-prose-abou t-the-futility-of-man's-existence that popped up in that cinematic bowel movement, 'The Thin Red Line'. Now, I realize that some will say, 'now Dave, get back on topic'. I'm getting there. Ever since 'Apocalypse Now', every U.S. war picture, from our Revolution to Desert Storm, has had the disembodied voiceover that is supposed to make us feel the depth of the characters, and feel the insanity of war. Let me tell you what this device has become: a SUBSTITUTE for ACTING. In 'Apocalypse', it was a skillfully utilised device. Then everyone felt that it applied to every war. That's right, in every war, there were scores of terrible poets on LSD decrying the scream of shells and whine of bullets as they sat on the edges of their foxholes in the act of writing home. Of course, they don't write any of this mush down - they get killed while musing: all of their mates have dived for cover by now. My point is that in the U.S., they try to make Viet Nam out of WW2. I fear what they would do to a WW1 pic produced in this country. There should be a law: no Hollywood pics about any of the historic wars - they should stick to robots and aliens and gangstas. And here's an idea: if there's gonna be any philosophical musing, do it while the soldiers are on the latrine, or washing their feet, or eating chow - no more montages of battle with the calm poetry in the background. I agree with the dude on the tube too: the poem that was read at the funeral scene says it all, and man, it was heavy. If 'AtKM' would have been produced in the states, it would have been read by a stoned Dennis Hopper. Think about it. Laundry. DB -----Original Message----- From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:06 PM Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" >In a message dated 2/21/100 7:44:10 AM EST, peter_leonard@hotmail.com writes: > ><< > I wonder how many North American viewers will realize that the lead actor, > David Jason, is in fact one of this country's most successful comedy actors. > Quite a change of pace from the cockney wideboy he usually plays > >> > >Doesn't he also play "Inspector Frost"? I have seen him many times in >Masterpiece Theatre stuff here. If he is well-known for comedy, it's further >proof of the versatility of British actors. > >Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:31:07 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Osprey books Message-ID: <00a901bf7c99$d3b8b000$f487aec7@dora9sprynet.com> >It is a well-done series, since to my knowledge most of the clangers are very >obscure, some of which only pop out on a second or third reading - like >recently discovering a statement that a one-oh-G-6-thingie was powered by a >DB601E. Minor but telling, and could have been an unspotted typo (I know I >have certainly been guilty of those). Uh yeah. That's probably a typo. > >As regards name-dropping, it's a very small world, and if you are living >where most of them either live (Henry) or visit frequently (Barrett), you're >going to run across them. > >Tom Or if you have the Devil's own luck. DB (envious) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:53:48 -0600 From: Robert M Farrar III To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <38B189BB.F717E53@airmail.net> I reciognized David Jason. I've seen him in Open All Hours with Ronnie Barker; funny show! Also have seen him in Only Fools and Horses with Nicholas Lynhurst (a most talented one himself). I'm sure I've seen others. Bob Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/21/100 7:44:10 AM EST, peter_leonard@hotmail.com writes: > > << > I wonder how many North American viewers will realize that the lead actor, > David Jason, is in fact one of this country's most successful comedy actors. > Quite a change of pace from the cockney wideboy he usually plays > >> > > Doesn't he also play "Inspector Frost"? I have seen him many times in > Masterpiece Theatre stuff here. If he is well-known for comedy, it's further > proof of the versatility of British actors. > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:18:10 -0500 From: "Paul G." To: Subject: Was Re: DH4 now MAP plan packs Message-ID: <00cf01bf7ca0$649ebf00$c5dd9bce@oemcomputer> Lance wrote: > I compared the kit - and the Aurora version, too, just out of curiosity - to MAP plan pack 2735. Does anyone have a point of contact for a current retailer of MAP plan packs? Paul G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:31:08 +0000 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Plan DH4 from outer space Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000221203108.007bd2f0@pop.xs4all.nl> Okay, thanks for the information gentlemen. I think it's going to be what they call a 'learning experience'. Anyway, it'll speed up the Glencoe re-release if I convert it back. BTW, at least the alien crew still appear to be living. The creature included with the Monogram and Smer SE5a kits has a hole through his midsection that just has to hurt. Thanks again, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:43:27 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Plan DH4 from outer space Message-ID: <024f01bf7ca3$ec2abac0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul E. Thompson >The creature included with the Monogram and Smer SE5a kits > has a hole through his midsection that just has to hurt. Talk about the evil effects of the castor oil on the organism... That's why they transferred him to a Hispano Suiza powered fighter! ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:52:10 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Future tense? Message-ID: <200002211955.LAA21495@mail.rapidnet.net> Okay, I know this has been flogged to death. but I have never asked on it before. As a faithful user of ceramcoat and as Testors gloss is just too expense and erratic, I broke down and bought a lifetime supply of Future (unless it gets noticed and a floor needs covering). Anyway, sometime ago someone posted a long treatise on its myriad uses .. I had saved it for 'future' (hahaha - sorry) use, but lost it in my email crash of last year. Could someone please send it off-list. thanks, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:02:39 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Has Anybody tried this??? Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000221115239.00a6ecc0@pop.telus.net> Roger, On the correct scale Fokker EV and Sopwith Baby that I built, that had etch struts. I first tried the putty method. The drawback I found for me, was that it was way too easy to bend the etch struts. The white glue or bottom of the paint pot methods tend to not do this. I was pretty happy with the results. After working on my sierra scale DFW I would also suggest that you can use the etch struts as templates and carve/sand bamboo ones. Takes very little time and they tend to be more forgiving at least in my hands anyway. 1/48th I would say defineately use bamboo. Thats my two cents worth. Ray At 11:44 AM 2/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Roger asks: > >"... let me know what you have done to overcome the thinness of the Brass >etchings" > >I believe Pedro reported using white glue. > >Personally, I use any sort of body putty - usually Squadron's white or >green, tho now I'm partial to Stucco. I thin this to a weak paste by >adding liquid styrene cement and paint the components that I want to beef >up. The surface tension that creates an airfoil shape with the white glue >does the same with the thinned putty, and of course, it is sandable. > >HTH > >Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:40:24 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <20000221204025.64777.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "DAVID BURKE" >Too bad that not enough survivors of that stupid operation didn't >get back >and slaughter the British War Ministry Yes, but we needed Churchill about 25 years later, so lucky we didn't. >- who knows, if they had, then England might have been able to win the war >without the U.S. having to step in at the end. > Yes, of course, but it would have been easier in the first place if the U.S. had come in a little earlier. BTW is wasn't "England" was not alone, even at Gallipoli, we had the ANZACS for one. Excellent film. I even managed to identify the 504 aeroplane; nice touch with all the cheering as it flew over. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:04:51 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Future tense? Message-ID: <003701bf7caf$ae2d7940$8684aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Hi Bob, If that was me you're talking about, I'll see if I still have it. Otherwise, I'm always happy to rant and rave. DB -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: Future tense? >Okay, I know this has been flogged to death. but I have never asked on it >before. As a faithful user of ceramcoat and as Testors gloss is just too >expense and erratic, I broke down and bought a lifetime supply of Future >(unless it gets noticed and a floor needs covering). > >Anyway, sometime ago someone posted a long treatise on its myriad uses .. I >had saved it for 'future' (hahaha - sorry) use, but lost it in my email >crash of last year. Could someone please send it off-list. > >thanks, > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:07:07 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <003901bf7caf$b1319180$8684aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Please pardon my omission of the ANZAC forces. If anything, that campaign was theirs, and few have ever been as brave and gallant as they. DB -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 2:43 PM Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" >>From: "DAVID BURKE" >>Too bad that not enough survivors of that stupid operation didn't >get back >>and slaughter the British War Ministry > >Yes, but we needed Churchill about 25 years later, so lucky we didn't. > >>- who knows, if they had, then England might have been able to win the war >>without the U.S. having to step in at the end. >> > >Yes, of course, but it would have been easier in the first place if the U.S. >had come in a little earlier. BTW is wasn't "England" was not alone, even >at Gallipoli, we had the ANZACS for one. > >Excellent film. I even managed to identify the 504 aeroplane; nice touch >with all the cheering as it flew over. > >Michael > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:24:33 -0000 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Colour Profile Message-ID: <000501bf7cb2$0ce1a2c0$2fab93c3@oemcomputer> Now, despite numerous distractions, I haven't been entirely idle - I've just completed what I HOPE will be the last word on the special dope-scheme on Ruston Proctor's camel no.1000. From the menu page, click on *Ruston Camel Profile* I would appreciate any constructive criticisms - I've just spent 12 hours on the bits of artwork for the page and have decided it would have been simpler to paint the damn things with a brush ;-) Scho http://www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:28:13 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future tense? Message-ID: <20000221212814.28484.qmail@hotmail.com> Dave. I figured it was too good to trash so I saved it. I've forwarded it to Bob cheers Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:33:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D32@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Pter says: > I wonder how many North American viewers will realize that > the lead actor, > David Jason, is in fact one of this country's most successful > comedy actors. > Quite a change of pace from the cockney wideboy he usually plays ....or ferocious copper ? I add my voice to those suggesting this is a well above average production. It aired in Australia last year - I was unable to watch it then but taped it and was later damned happy I had. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:51:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D33@mimhexch.mim.com.au> DB, > who knows, if they had, then England might have > been able to win > the war without the U.S. having to step in at the end. > You should next watch the BBC (I think) production in 6 parts about WW1. In the final episode a US historian makes the *accurate* point that the US involvement from a purely military perspective was negligible. Where you guys shone was as a threat to what would happen *next*, and as a source of supply. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:09:05 -0000 From: "John Sharp" To: Subject: Re: Aviatik B.I and B.II kits Message-ID: <20000221220102.91695.qmail@hotmail.com> Oh no - every time Peter starts digging in his collection, the Wirral gets covered in bits of old sprue and etch frames. Take Cover! PS Somebody was correction in mentioning that Geoff has got the 2 Harleyford books in his second hand box at Aces High - GBP60 the pair. http://www.bigfoot.com/~AcesModels John Sharp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:03:42 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution Message-ID: <20000221220342.42155.qmail@hotmail.com> Page 35 of the Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag JaPo book shows a profile of 153.52. The tresses are known as the Brumowski Distribution, I think. Which parts of the aeroplane do the tresses cover. Hit Kit doesn't provide enough to cover the entire surface. Maybe it's time for watercolour pencils. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:15:52 -0000 From: "John Sharp" To: Subject: UK VCR Alert Message-ID: <20000221220412.20642.qmail@hotmail.com> UK Hostory channel are broadcasting 4 Years of Thunder at 4pm this week (started today sorry - I missed it too) Wednesday 3.30 also has OT title. John Sharp For more details see http://www.bigfoot.com/~AcesModels http://www.merseyworld.com/mcc http://members.tripod.co.uk/John_Sharp/SOHome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:08:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D34@mimhexch.mim.com.au> I said: > In the final episode a US historian makes the *accurate* > point that the US > involvement from a purely military perspective was > negligible. Where you > guys shone was as a threat to what would happen *next*, and > as a source of supply. ...and regret the wording - it sounds as if I "dis" the efforts of the Doughboys who did take part in the first great unpleasantness. Nothing is further from the truth - they showed as much guts and skill as anyone else in that awful environment. It's just a fact that by the time of Meuse the German line had already collapsed and was being rolled back by Canadians, Kiwis, Aussies and the remnants after nearly 5 years warfare of Great Britains youth. The AEF's biggest contribution was as a reserve "in being" An aside - DB mentions *bad* poetry about warfare. Some astonishingly *good* poetry came from WW1, mostly English, and worth a read if you *really* want to feel ill about it all. Quite a lot was written in what we would now call psychiatric hospitals ! Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:12:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatros D.III (Oef.) Brumowski Distribution Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D35@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Michael, > Page 35 of the Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag JaPo book shows a > profile of > 153.52. The tresses are known as the Brumowski Distribution, > I think. > Which parts of the aeroplane do the tresses cover. Hit Kit > doesn't provide > enough to cover the entire surface. Maybe it's time for watercolour > pencils. Brumowski distribution was a locally applied hand painted finish of (IIRC without my books) little "S" shapes. Being hand applied I'd imagine a hand applied model finish to be appropriate. Hit Kit *doesn't* supply Brumowski though, they supply the AH sworl fabric which wass actually factory printed like German loz. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:21:48 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spad help needed Message-ID: In a message dated 02/21/2000 12:35:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcalhoun01@snet.net writes: << Did you ever see the Atlee resin seat for the SPAD? He made one in 1/28 and 1/48, both well done. I don't know if these are still available >> Both out of production at this time. I'm not sure if Gary Atlee still has the masters for them. We have some of his master , but he never sent us these. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:29:31 -0600 From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Colour Profile Message-ID: <38B1BC4B.7505C57E@home.com> > I would appreciate any constructive criticisms Green with envy doesn't quite convey it. I'm jealous of your skills and talent? Yea, that's it! VERY WELL done Steve Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:45:29 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <79.1a22b0e.25e31a09@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/100 3:43:13 PM EST, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << Yes, but we needed Churchill about 25 years later, so lucky we didn't. >> Gallipoli wasn't Churchill's fault, though he had to "fall on his sword" for it. The original plan was imaginative and likely to have worked, had not the War Ministry in its wisdom put a Moron in command (although finding a command-level Brit betwen 1914 and 1917 who wasn't a moron would have been quite a feat). The guy had no drive, and sat there, just like the American moron at Anzio who could have taken Rome in two days had he not decided to sweep up the beachhead and leave it looking all nice. The Turks were totally surprised by the Gallipoli operation, and Constantinople lay almost completely undefended for the four days Churchill had estimated it would be and could be taken in. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:48:39 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <6d.1759f8f.25e31ac7@aol.com> In a message dated 2/21/100 5:08:46 PM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Some astonishingly *good* poetry came from WW1, mostly English, and worth a read if you *really* want to feel ill about it all. >> Russell Baker read some Siegfried Sassoon at the end of this show that was directly on point about the "glory" of war. Sassoon to me is the best poet to ever come out of a war. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:01:59 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: Colour Profile Message-ID: <000901bf7cbf$a8d82ac0$413c32cf@tcac.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Colour Profile > > I would appreciate any constructive criticisms > > Green with envy doesn't quite convey it. I'm jealous of your skills and > talent? Yea, that's it! > VERY WELL done Steve > > Tom S > Tom said it all. WOW!!! WOW!!!! Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:12:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D39@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Tom, > Sassoon to me is > the best poet to ever come out of a war. That's who I was talking about (in the Psych ward) The doco I just finished watching spends a full hour talking about the period of mutinies and disillusion in 1917, and Sassoon is the focus of their showing how the soldiery were affected, and coped (or not) with the apparently endless slaughter Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:54:41 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Future tense? Message-ID: <200002212317.PAA29086@mail.rapidnet.net> Dave, Yup, 'twas you I was thinking of. .. Charles Duckworth has forwarded it already Bob ---------- >From: "DAVID BURKE" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Future tense? >Date: Mon, 21 Feb, 2000, 1:21 PM > > Hi Bob, > > If that was me you're talking about, I'll see if I still have it. > Otherwise, I'm always happy to rant and rave. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:17:03 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "All The King's Men" Message-ID: <200002212317.PAA29089@mail.rapidnet.net> I agree with almost all Tom says here. Gallipoli was an imaginative operation that could have worked. There were numerous what-ifs to it. First is if the navy had followed through with the original plan to force the Dardenelles. . but fear of losing ships put an end to that ... and they withdrew for some time, alowing the Turks to reinforce the area. The actual assault may have worked. . Hamilton had a decent plan .. but made the mistake of trusting his subordinates to show initative. . sadly he was wrong and this I feel is his major fault - not in being a moron. I would say that the biggest and most famous piece of neglect is Stopford's landing at Suvla. While the Anzacs are getting slaughtered at Lone Pine in a diversionary assault (see the movie Gallipoli), his troops are sitting onshore brewing tea and swimming. He took his orders to just be get onshore and not proceed inland, and no prodding from Hamilton would sway him. At the time he landed there was just a few lookout posts in the hills above his beach. By the time he moved, they had been heavily reinforced. The one thing that went right was the evacuation. ... BTW All The King's Men is based on the book "the Vanished Battalion by Nigel McCrery. His name pops up in some other books on the subject. the WW1-L list had a long thread on the merits of the series a few months back. . I have deleted all their messages so forget exactly what it amounted to. . but I seem to recall they weren't as enamoured of the show as those on the 'true' list ... coulod be why I dropped that one. Anyone interested in more info on Gallipoli contact me offlist and I will provide a list of books on the subject. Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:29:12 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Colour Profile Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000221152444.00a7ee30@pop.telus.net> Scho, You have way too much time on your hands;) That page and profile are great, almost makes you want to get a camel out to build it. Who said the pc10/12 side where dull...... Ray At 04:28 PM 2/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Now, despite numerous distractions, I haven't been entirely idle - I've just >completed what I HOPE will be the last word on the special dope-scheme on >Ruston Proctor's camel no.1000. From the menu page, click on *Ruston Camel >Profile* I would appreciate any constructive criticisms - I've just spent 12 >hours on the bits of artwork for the page and have decided it would have >been simpler to paint the damn things with a brush ;-) >Scho >http://www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2153 **********************