WWI Digest 2149 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: A-H sworl in 1/48? by Matthew Zivich 2) Re: A-H sworl in 1/48? by "Lance Krieg" 3) Re: Dabbling in the dark side by "David C. Fletcher" 4) Re: Nungesser's Nieuport 25 by "David Calhoun" 5) RE: Dabbling in the dark side by "dfernet0" 6) Nieuport 17, again by REwing@aol.com 7) Re: Dabbling in the dark side by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Re: Nieuport 17, again by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 9) Re: Dabbling in the dark side by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Re: Aurora Rebirth by "DAVID BURKE" 11) Re: Nieuport 17, again by Mark Shannon 12) A-H sworl in 1/48? by "Nigel Rayner" 13) Re: Nieuport 17, again by "Lance Krieg" 14) Re: UFAG C1 by Pedro e Francisca 15) Re: Dabbling in the dark side by Pedro e Francisca 16) Re: UFAG C1 by "Lance Krieg" 17) DH4 by "Paul E. Thompson" 18) Re: DH4 & Aurora Tripe by Matthew Zivich 19) Model Expo's 1:16 Nieuport 28 by BEN8800@aol.com 20) Re: DH4 by "Lance Krieg" 21) Re: Dabbling in the dark side by "Matthew Bittner" 22) Re: DH4 & Aurora Tripe by "Peter Leonard" 23) Fokker Dr.I color question by "Matthew Bittner" 24) Houston Show, VLE Question, and April FSM by "Richard Eaton" 25) Re: Model Expo's 1:16 Nieuport 28 by DavidL1217@aol.com 26) Re: Resurrected Aurora models by Zulis@aol.com 27) Re: Model Expo's 1:16 Nieuport 28 by BEN8800@aol.com 28) Re: Resurrected Aurora models by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Re: Fokker Dr.I color question by skarver@banet.net 30) Nieuport 17: Again & again by skarver@banet.net 31) Re: Resurrected Aurora models by DavidL1217@aol.com 32) RE: Old 1960's OT book info request by "Graham Nash" 33) RE: Dabbling in the dark side by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:09:27 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A-H sworl in 1/48? Message-ID: <38AD6EB7.C33155E@svsu.edu> The JaPo book on the Oeffag Albatros D series is very good in describing AH camo styles. The sworl pattern got a lot of attention on the list about a yr or so ago. In any case the sworl pattern existed only on the Alb DIII Oeffag 253 series, I believe, according to the above book, and I'm not aware of any 1/48th model available of that aircraft. MZ Lance Krieg wrote: > Stef asks about decals: > > Also, were the "Autumn" > and "Spring" (?) schemes > paint jobs or also > pre-printed fabricitems? > > I believe these to be paint jobs, along with the "Brumowski Distribution", but the surest way to find out is obtain the Americal/Gryphon decals for all of these. > > I DO wish A/G would produce the AH sworl, or that Mike Franklin would return my post and let me know what he wants for HIS version. I have never seen the Pegasus sworl and do not believe it is in production. > > Somebody fill me in, please... > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:27:48 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: A-H sworl in 1/48? Message-ID: Matthew notes: "In any case the sworl pattern existed only on the Alb DIII Oeffag 253 series, I believe, according to the above book, and I'm not aware of any 1/48th model available of that aircraft." But the new BM offers the 253 series, as did the Glencoe, and in all events it was a pretty straightforward conversion from ANY D.III. Is the sworl 3 colors or four? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:04:21 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dabbling in the dark side Message-ID: <38AD6D85.37A35B3A@mars.ark.com> "Guilt, being primarily a judaeo/christian affliction..." Funny, I don't feel at all guilty and I'm building a 1/48th Luftwaffe WWII monoplane - but the designer was a WWI pilot, so I'm still sort of "OT". Besides, it is good practice with fiddly brass-etched bits. It has a propeller and a fixed undercarriage, so it meets the essential criteria. Now the real dark side is scale related... whoever came up with one inch equals six feet! That must be terrible for the metric folks to understand. Back to unrepentently fondling plastic and taking a break from rigging, Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:30:57 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Nungesser's Nieuport 25 Message-ID: <005001bf7be1$6653f6e0$8d0c3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Witold, Nungesser's N.25! another sole like me. I built one a few years back using Tom's Modelworks Nie 24/27 vac kit. The main difference is the longer cowling to house the 11 cylinder clerget (i modified a eduard Siemens schunkert engine - right # of cylinders and all). The landing gear was made of much wider faired struts - I used contrail airfoil struts for that. I painted the stripes on upper wing and lower wing at the same angle, but am not sure if it is correct. the fuselage stripe I painted at a 45% angle with the blue starting at the right hand front corner (does this make any sense?) entire plane was aluminum. I made some home made decals of the skull & coffin, and serial # 1895 (he overpainted this # on the N.25 or else had 2 diff ones. If you would like this sheet e-mail me offline and I can send you a scan. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, February 18, 2000 12:50 AM Subject: Nungesser's Nieuport 25 >Hi >I am drinking coffee and I recollect that I wanted to ask you about >Nungesser's Nieuport. >I have found picture of this plane in Squadrons Nieuport Fighters on p. >42. It's N5324. I was inspired by this picture and I want to build this >kit. Could you tell me something more about this plane, maybe somebody >has colour drawings of this one? I get Tom's conversion set for Eduard's >Nie.17, I probably buy profipack with Nungesser black heart (I also have >one set from Aeromaster SPAD but it is reversed). As I see on photo I >should paint blue, white, red stripes on upper and lower wing and on >topside of fuselage. And question - was it V-shape or was going straight >from stabilizer across fuselage from left back to front right? And could >you help me with undercarriage struts and cowling, they were different >in Nie.25, any drawings >Any help will be appreciated. >Thanks >-- > Witold Kozakiewicz > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:24:53 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Dabbling in the dark side Message-ID: <006401bf7a35$11a75ea0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > Now the real dark side is scale related... whoever came up with one inch > equals six feet! That must be terrible for the metric folks to > understand. Not too difficult. One centimeter in my model represents exactly 72 centimeters in the real thing. D. but when we're talking about altitude... sometimes is very confusing. (Gliders - meters, airplanes - feet). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:25:52 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport 17, again Message-ID: <13.19f91df.25dee8b0@aol.com> Hi all, Since this has been a recent thread for many, I have a few questions of my own. I was looking over Eduard's 1/48 rendition and hope all you learned folks could satisfy my couriosity. 1.How wide are the silver borders on the top of both wings on the camoflaged versions...scale wise for 1/48? 2.Has anyone drilled out the slots in the horizontal stabalizer for the rigging to pass through or did you do something different? Did it line up correctly or were there adjustments to be made? 3.The open center section was covered on the original with celluloid, I believe. Has anyone covered this on their own models? Was it covered top and bottom or just the top? I appreciate any and all help in these matters, since I have very limited sources on the Nieuports. TIA. -Rick- "Why pay money to have your family tree traced? Go into politics, and your opponents will do it for you." Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:33:26 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Dabbling in the dark side Message-ID: <001301bf7a3e$aec57380$9b84aec7@dora9sprynet.com> How about a half-zoden? DB >Focus people....I don't really want to see zodens of posts about what non >WWI models people are building. We all do it, but please talk about it >elsewhere. > >Thanks for your kind consideration, >Allan > >> >> >From: Albatrosdv@aol.com >> >> >Anybody else want to unburden themselves? I have seen your traces, >those >> >little virtual shadows slipping through the cyber-cracks at >those Other >> >Sites. You know who you are, and what's more you know I >know. :-) >> > >> >> Tom: >> >> Yes, before I'm exposed, I admit that I've been doing Japanese WW2 kits; a >> Fujimi "Pete" and a Hasegawa A6M2 Type 21 Zero, both in 1/72nd scale, or as >> they say on the j-aircraft.com page "The Divine Scale". In mitigation, I'm >> doing this because the Dept. of the Navy asked our IPMS club to build kits >> to display at a Battle of Midway celebration later this year. When yor >> country calls.... Also, in mitigation, the "Pete" is a biplane with >> rigging, and the kit itself is brilliantly engineered. This has piqued my >> interest in Japanese stuff; I may build that MPM "George" hiding in the >> closet - I "won" it in my IPMS club raffle, honest! >> >> I am returning to OT (almost) and thereafter a WW1 vac; hopefully, the DFW >> "Mars" vac. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> >C'mon, confession really is good for your soul. >> > >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >=========================================================================== ==== >Allan Wright Jr. | "Without love, life's just a long fight" - SSJ >University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- >Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu >=========================================================================== ==== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:37:36 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17, again Message-ID: Rick, >> 2.Has anyone drilled out the slots in the horizontal stabalizer for the rigging to pass through or did you do something different? Did it line up correctly or were there adjustments to be made? << I drilled mine out, and carefully enlarged them with a #11 X-Acto blade, with a slight slant at the front and back so the "wire" would pass through in a straight line. The cross section might appear such as: _____ Front /_____/ Back I left the upper wing opening intact. No idea as for the actual dimensions of the borders. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:31:45 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Dabbling in the dark side Message-ID: <001201bf7a3e$ad7748a0$9b84aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Man, I KNOW you ain't talkin' 'bout New Orleans - Must be talking about LA. DB >Spoken by a resident of the most guilt-ridden judeo-christian city in North >America!! You look suspiciously like the King of de Nile, sir! :-) > > >Tom C ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:37:55 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Aurora Rebirth Message-ID: <007f01bf7a3f$c45caf00$9b84aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I agree that the Aurora quality is a dead issue - and it died many a year ago. The only apparent benefit is the prospect of the kit collectors going belly-up and jumping en masse off of buildings. DB -----Original Message----- From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, February 18, 2000 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Aurora Rebirth >Let's say for the sake of argument that: > >1.) The family will find the cash to re-launch Aurora >2.) Playing Mantis hasn't eaten their lunch >3.) The WWI kits are actually re-released. > >What do we think the new pricing will be? I doubt we will see the $0.79 >range of our youth. By the time they do what they need to do, I suspect they >will not cost any less than an Eduard release & those WWI kits are vastly >inferior in terms of quality. Yes I bought a Gotha a few years ago & I will >buy the Glencoe re-release of the DH4, but I hope the Auroras stay buried >and all move on to modern renditions of some of these subjects. > >$0.02 worth, >Cyg. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:16:30 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17, again Message-ID: Rick asked: > 1.How wide are the silver borders on the top of both wings on the >camoflaged versions...scale wise for 1/48? Don't know about authentic exact measurements, the appearance looks like 2mm is about right. > 2.Has anyone drilled out the slots in the horizontal stabalizer for the >rigging to pass through or did you do something different? Did it line >up correctly or were there adjustments to be made? Adjustments. The position of the etched oval shapes for thses pulls the control wires in and down from the straight run. they should be between 1 and 2 mm further forward in the tailplane and just a hair farther out. > 3.The open center section was covered on the original with celluloid, >I believe. Has anyone covered this on their own models? Was it >covered top and bottom or just the top? It was covered top and bottom. Be sure you add the battens between the center piece Eduard gives you and the edges. Properly, the front spar should be visible in the opening with a narrow gap between it and the front of the opening. To cover the Cellon section, I used cellophane from the wrapper of a deck of Pokemon cards. -- that or cigarette pack cellophane are of a nice heft (just throw away the 20-25 useless things in the cigarette pack once you have gotten the valuable foil and cellophane off of the pack -- buy the right brand, and you can get important poster material for dioramas) and can be tacked down at the corners with CA, then 'glued' with Future. As you do the glossing, you can add a thicker coat along the edges to fair them smooth. >TIA >-Rick- You're very welcome. You'll probably find a way to return the favor on this list. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:29:08 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: A-H sworl in 1/48? Message-ID: <000e01bf7a46$6df47560$2c45883e@nigelr> Lance asked: >I DO wish A/G would produce the AH sworl, or that Mike Franklin would return my post and let me know what >he wants for HIS version. I have never seen the Pegasus sworl and do not believe it is in production. FWIW, Pegasus never did A-H Sworl, at least in 1/72. The sworl that was available with some of the 1/72 Oeffag DIIIs was by Blue Rider. This is still in production and is very nice, although it's 3 colour. Resident list experts (such as Dr. Philip Anz-Meador) reckon A-H sworl should have four colours in it. Doesn't worry me however. I'm going to plaster it all over a Pegasus DIII. DIA (Dicta Ira Applies). And may I take this opportunity to compliment you on your photos in the gallery? Excellent work all round. I've got the Nie 17 in my next up pile, and yours is most inspiring. Cheers, Nigel still building: Toko DXII and HB D1. Not much progress, although I did just finish a Milicast resin A7V. Highly recommended for those who want a bit of a change but don't want to go ot. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:30:23 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 17, again Message-ID: Rick has asked, among other things: " 3.The open center section was covered on the original with celluloid, I believe. Has anyone covered this on their own models?" And is already getting plenty of help. I used transparent tape, cut to size, to cover this section, then sealed the edges with Fuure and dressed the whole thing up with aluminum-colored tapes; it is very straightforward. Note that the kit-supplied opening is simplified and too small. I believe there is an in-progress shot of my version on Alan's web site that shows how I dealt with it, if you are interested; the only thing missing is the bracing wires that were added after painting and before the "celon" covering went on. Hope that helps... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:47:15 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: UFAG C1 Message-ID: <38ADA1C3.14C3AA91@mail.telepac.pt> Matthew Bittner wrote: Unfortunately I have nothing in the database, but if I understand > it correctly, there are pics of the C.I in 18/3 of C&CI. > However, I do not have that year. > Thanks Matt. C&C Int. Is that the British or the American pub.? > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:57:58 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dabbling in the dark side Message-ID: <38ADA445.6B94C016@mail.telepac.pt> Matthew Bittner wrote: Only for those truly guilty. Currently working on a late '30's > VVS *biplane* - a heck of a lot closer to the True Calling than > those blasphemous 10thingies. > > However, at the same time that I rig this *biplane*, I'm also > working on a pair of Fokkers - D.VI and Dr.I. Plus, for the next > four months or so, nothing but on topic. Uh..... I seem to remember you saying that for 2000 it would only be twins...., so are you putting together a mistel DR1/DVI or do twin wings count too? :-) Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:13:49 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: UFAG C1 Message-ID: Pedro: You asked for Matt, but I've got the answer and am on line... the British publication. Lance >>> Pedro e Francisca 02/18 2:13 PM >>> Matthew Bittner wrote: Unfortunately I have nothing in the database, but if I understand > it correctly, there are pics of the C.I in 18/3 of C&CI. > However, I do not have that year. > Thanks Matt. C&C Int. Is that the British or the American pub.? > > Matt Bittner > http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:08:17 +0000 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DH4 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000218210817.007be440@pop.xs4all.nl> De-lurking to say hello and place a possibly naive request... To the barely suppressed sniggers of the staff of the local plastic emporium, accompanied by comments of "You a collector, then?" and "Don't expect to make that do you, sir?", I recently bought an AMT 1/48 DH4. Given the age I had expected it to be a load of raw material, but despite the heavy external detail and usual overthick components it seems a good basis for a model. I've not yet acquired any documentation for this type and so wondered, can anyone tell me how innacurate or otherwise this kit is? BTW, this shop has also started occasionally having the odd Aurora kit on its shelves. FWIW the last was a Sopwith Triplane (1972) for 70 guilders (about 3.5 guilders to the pound at the moment). Cheers Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:30:52 -0500 From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH4 & Aurora Tripe Message-ID: <38ADABFC.66DEC9FF@svsu.edu> I paid $30US for an Aurora Tripe about 4 yrs ago. That and the price of an Eduard Hannover were the most I've ever paid for WWI models. MZ "Paul E. Thompson" wrote: > De-lurking to say hello and place a possibly naive request... > > To the barely suppressed sniggers of the staff of the local plastic > emporium, accompanied by comments of "You a collector, then?" and "Don't > expect to make that do you, sir?", I recently bought an AMT 1/48 DH4. > Given the age I had expected it to be a load of raw material, but despite > the heavy external detail and usual overthick components it seems a good > basis for a model. I've not yet acquired any documentation for this type > and so wondered, can anyone tell me how innacurate or otherwise this kit is? > > BTW, this shop has also started occasionally having the odd Aurora kit on > its shelves. FWIW the last was a Sopwith Triplane (1972) for 70 guilders > (about 3.5 guilders to the pound at the moment). > > Cheers Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:44:49 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Model Expo's 1:16 Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <7d.1544146.25df0941@aol.com> I had advised that I would be doing the instructions for the Nieuport as I did for the Albatros (both Italian designs). However, with my work load on the Jenny and ship projects for Model Expo I talked Ken Goldman into doing the job. Maybe Ken will keep you informed of progress. Ken is also will be doing the proto model of the Jenny. For the Nieuport, the Italian designer did the model. I believe all work is complete except for the instructions in English. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:45:59 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: DH4 Message-ID: Paul has been abused for wondering if the AMT kit is: "...a good basis for a model. I've not yet acquired any documentation for this type and so wondered, can anyone tell me how innacurate or otherwise this kit is?" If nobody else pipes up, I'll lay the parts on the plans this weekend and let you know on Monday. It is kitted as the US version with a Liberty engine, right? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:42:20 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Dabbling in the dark side Message-ID: <200002182145.NAA01514@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:13:49 -0500 (EST), Pedro e Francisca wrote: > Uh..... I seem to remember you saying that for 2000 it would only be > twins...., so are you putting together a mistel DR1/DVI or do twin wings > count too? :-) Caught me...ugh, wait. Yea, that's it! Wings count! So do guns. And tires! :-) Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:26:55 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH4 & Aurora Tripe Message-ID: <20000218222655.10669.qmail@hotmail.com> FWIW at the UK Nats in '95 there was an excellent model of a DH9 based on that kit by a Greek modeller whose name I do not know. I tried to persuade him to enter it in the 1/48 Mannock rather than the converted class amongst all the P fiftythingies and 1 oh whatsits but he declined. It would have been a certain winner, I know coz I won it that year;) If this proves anything it's that the kit is buildable, but aren't they all? Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:05:34 -0600 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Fokker Dr.I color question Message-ID: <200002190008.QAA11877@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> Minor Fokker Dr.I color question. I understand the seat was overlaid with leather. However, what color should the belts be? There's a photo in the Datafile Special with part of the harness hanging over the cockpit opening, and it appears the belt is close to the color of the coaming, leading one to believe in leather, as well. Steve Hustad always paints his a CDL-type color. I don't think so, because on the same page in the Special is a pranged Dr.I showing the upper connection of the back harness, and it's not even close in color to the fabric rear panel of the cockpit. Ideas? Matt Bittner http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/ww1fr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:12:30 -0600 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Houston Show, VLE Question, and April FSM Message-ID: <001c01bf7a6e$0435f720$ad305d18@austin.rr.com> I had the pleasure of running into Doug today at the local shop. Always a pleasure. I'll share with the group the answers to a couple of questions. 1. Houston IMPS Show Place and Date: Humble, TX March 25, 2000 (according to FSM) 2. URL of VLE Models (maker of the notorious 1/72 Foffer Spinne) http://members.tripod.com/~vlemodels/main1.htm Speaking of FSM, I just got mine today and I have to congratulate Alberto Casirati on the great job on the Ne 17 article! Regards, and see you in San Antonio Doug! Richard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:25:01 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Expo's 1:16 Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <50.1c3dbda.25df3cdd@aol.com> Albatros DVa, Jenny, N28? They aren't taking the Proctor RC models and scaling the parts down? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:26:28 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Resurrected Aurora models Message-ID: << ... from Jimi Hendrix to Raoul Lufberry >> wow... those are two names I never expected to see in the same sentence.... As for my thoughts on the Aurora thing, Cyg said it all for me. These things always sound better at this stage than they really are. Much as I'd like to see the collectors who have been driving model prices through the ceiling take a huge hit, I think the Auroras are a thing of the past and probably should stay there. Dave Z. ps - my ot activity avoids those ME thingies... I like 1/43 scale metal models of 1950s and 1960s era formula one cars. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:38:35 EST From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Expo's 1:16 Nieuport 28 Message-ID: <6b.1c19ec4.25df400b@aol.com> In a message dated 2/18/00 7:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, DavidL1217@aol.com writes: << Albatros DVa, Jenny, N28? They aren't taking the Proctor RC models and scaling the parts down? >> NO WAY. These models are from factory plans. They don't fly. They just sit on a LARGE mantle where your cat can chew on the rigging. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:16:34 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Resurrected Aurora models Message-ID: <65.1c69397.25df48f2@aol.com> In a message dated 2/18/00 4:28:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << As for my thoughts on the Aurora thing, Cyg said it all for me. These things always sound better at this stage than they really are. Much as I'd like to see the collectors who have been driving model prices through the ceiling take a huge hit, I think the Auroras are a thing of the past and probably should stay there. Dave Z. >> As scale models, the Auroras (for the most part) don't make it. But aside from any nostalgia, my personal selfish interest in them is as a source of parts for scratchbuilding- just because the box says "Albatros" doesn't mean those wings can't REALLY be from some odd Sopwith that's hiding within the Aurora plastic. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:33:03 -0500 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Matt Bittner Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I color question Message-ID: <38AE00DE.5E1E77CD@banet.net> Matthew Bittner wrote: > Minor Fokker Dr.I color question. I understand the seat was > overlaid with leather. Black leather is, I believe, the agreed covering material, contrary to some insturctions or builder preferences for a metal seat. > However, what color should the belts be? > There's a photo in the Datafile Special with part of the harness > hanging over the cockpit opening, and it appears the belt is > close to the color of the coaming, leading one to believe in > leather, as well. A very--that's very--clear overhead directly into the cockpit in "Fokker Dr. I Datafile Special" (no. 62) shows the shoulder harness straps as very dark--but not black--but with the cross-piece light, probably natural fabric a la WWII American type. However, as in all things ot and OT, kinks are always possible. Photo 11 shows the right-hand postion of the *lap* belt lying on the coaming. First off, it is very wide. Like a number of pre-war types, 'tween-war civil types, or even early USAAC (see Kinzey's D&S F4F). And it is definitely lighter than the shoulder straps. Sort of in the dirty belting/webbing tonality. Oh, it has the 'pin' type fastener. HTW & regards, Stef PS. BTW, don't you just bet that a lot of pilots just cut off that pesky cross piece on the shoulder straps? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:32:57 -0500 From: skarver@banet.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Nieuport 17: Again & again Message-ID: <38AE0EE9.38B20471@banet.net> To the list of Nieuport modeling minutiae lately broached by Paul Schwartzkopf, I would like to add: 1. What is the centerline oil filler port on the top of the cowling like? Is there a cap, a hole, a what? 2. How does the cowl strap work? Where exactly does it attach to? We'll nail this puppy, or go crazy trying! Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:07:31 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Resurrected Aurora models Message-ID: <63.1fba45a.25df7f13@aol.com> Actually if the Aurora kits were to come back like Rip Van Winkle, they would have a worthy purpose: Kits to give our kids to build! Kid fodder kits are hard to come by.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:00:39 -0000 From: "Graham Nash" To: Subject: RE: Old 1960's OT book info request Message-ID: Those of you who are going to get the Aerodrome Modeller CD might be in for a pleasant surprise... Uncle Sniffy -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Sandy Adam Sent: 18 February 2000 10:29 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Old 1960's OT book info request Owen Thetford previously did a Harleyford (or Harborough - another variation on the name) smaller soft cover title, in colour, in the late forties on Camouflage and Markings 1914-1918 which started it all off. Much of this was later reused in the 50's book. I have Thetford's own original copy of this and a spare. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:13:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Dabbling in the dark side Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D1D@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Tom wheedles: > Anybody else want to unburden themselves? > > C'mon, confession really is good for your soul. > Never ! Not even with wild 'orses.... Shane (at club today I was sorely tempted by the dark side - yeah, you got it, a *1/72* Albatros) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2149 **********************