WWI Digest 2146

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
  2) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
	by "Bill Bacon" <wbacon@tcac.net>
  3) Re: OTF
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
  4) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
  5) Speaking of Dopes
	by "Matt Bailey" <mgbailey@my-deja.com>
  6) Re: Speaking of Dopes
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
  7) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
	by Lyle Lamboley <lyle.lamboley@juno.com>
  8) Re: Speaking of Dopes
	by Mark Shannon <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
  9) Thanks - ship and display case
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
 10) Thanks - ship and display case
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
 11) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
	by "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
 12) [Fwd: Lost aurora]
	by THOMAS SOLINSKI <tskio4@home.com>
 13) OTF Seminar info
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
 14) Re: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay
	by Pedro e Francisca <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
 15) UFAG C1
	by Pedro e Francisca <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
 16) RE: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 17) Re: OTF seminar roadtrip
	by DavidL1217@aol.com
 18) OT Masterpeice Theatre upcoming Sunday 20-Feb
	by Ray Boorman <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
 19) Old 1960's OT book info request
	by Ray Boorman <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
 20) Re: Old 1960's OT book info request
	by "Bill Bacon" <wbacon@tcac.net>
 21) SAML S.2 , Aviatik B.I and B.II
	by "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
 22) Re: Old 1960's OT book info request
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 23) RE: Old 1960's OT book info request
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 24) Swabians D VII.
	by Robert Horton <artybob@netexpress.net>
 25) RE: Old 1960's OT book info request
	by "Peter Leonard" <peter_leonard@hotmail.com>
 26) Aero Publishers-Lambertonsjer
	by Robert Horton <artybob@netexpress.net>

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:26:01 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
Message-ID: <008e01bf78a3$034f6340$1495aec7@dora9sprynet.com>

Sharon, you are right about Voss' plane, but the question was who was the
JEWISH flieger mit swastika.  Voss wasn't a Jew, IIRC.

                                                                    DB

Also, I would like to punch ANYBODY defacing a display because of their
ignorance.  Break their jaw!  They are no better than the Nazis who burned
books.  I was at the NASM shortly after those dirty, stinking hippie peace
freaks threw fake blood and ashes on the Enola Gay.  Oooh, that really
ticked me off!

                                                                Dave

                                            Spoiling for a punch-up
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Henderson <sharon@sword.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis


>>That is Fritz Beckhard of Kesta 5...that photo is in the SSW D.III/D.IV
>>Datafile and is also one of the Eduard color schemes in their SSW kit.
>>Lyle
>
>
>Aww shoot, should've looked at eBay before I began my sermon....  :-)
>
>Those who have bet on Beckhard are right as far as I can see.  <blush>
>sorry about that!
>
>BUT, Voss really DID have a swastika on his plane.  :-)
>
>Gonna go back and look at some more profiles, as part of my theological
>reading for the day....  :-)
>
>Cheers,
>Sharon
>AKA JastaElf
>
>
>



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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:43:44 -0600
From: "Bill Bacon" <wbacon@tcac.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
Message-ID: <000b01bf78a5$5f3355c0$413c32cf@tcac.net>

Amen

Bill B.
----- Original Message -----
From: DAVID BURKE <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis


> Sharon, you are right about Voss' plane, but the question was who was the
> JEWISH flieger mit swastika.  Voss wasn't a Jew, IIRC.
>
>                                                                     DB
>
> Also, I would like to punch ANYBODY defacing a display because of their
> ignorance.  Break their jaw!  They are no better than the Nazis who burned
> books.  I was at the NASM shortly after those dirty, stinking hippie peace
> freaks threw fake blood and ashes on the Enola Gay.  Oooh, that really
> ticked me off!
>
>                                                                 Dave
>
>                                             Spoiling for a punch-up
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sharon Henderson <sharon@sword.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
>
>
> >>That is Fritz Beckhard of Kesta 5...that photo is in the SSW D.III/D.IV
> >>Datafile and is also one of the Eduard color schemes in their SSW kit.
> >>Lyle
> >
> >
> >Aww shoot, should've looked at eBay before I began my sermon....  :-)
> >
> >Those who have bet on Beckhard are right as far as I can see.  <blush>
> >sorry about that!
> >
> >BUT, Voss really DID have a swastika on his plane.  :-)
> >
> >Gonna go back and look at some more profiles, as part of my theological
> >reading for the day....  :-)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Sharon
> >AKA JastaElf
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:56:14 -0800
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: OTF
Message-ID: <200002161812.KAA18928@mail.rapidnet.net>

Should be shipping soon

Bob

----------
>From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>Subject: Re: OTF
>Date: Wed, 16 Feb, 2000, 7:09 AM
>

> Speaking of OTF, whatever became of the fourth issue in 1999?  Did I miss
> it, or is it late?
>
> Lance

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:14:00 -0800
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
Message-ID: <200002161840.KAA19994@mail.rapidnet.net>

Not necessarily Jewish, but other swastikas were on:
- Hermann Gilly's D.VII at Js.40
- The headband of the Lafayette Escadrille
- an RE8
- Billik's Albatros D.III & D.V at Js.12
- Escadrille 471 or 551.
- Two H-B D.Is at Flik 41j

Undoubtedly there were others as well.

Bob


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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:50:15 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey" <mgbailey@my-deja.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Speaking of Dopes
Message-ID: <JKLFIDABPLHKNBAA@my-deja.com>

Anyone have any good methods for simulating clear doped linen and for simulating aluminum dope?  (I hope this subject hasn't been beaten to death in the past.)


Thanks,

Matt Bailey


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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:40:16 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Dopes
Message-ID: <s8aaa8c9.011@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Matt asks:

"Anyone have any good methods for simulating clear doped linen and for simulating aluminum dope?"

I personally think that aluminum dope needs to be replicated with a fair amount of light gray in the paint, to make sure it does not seem to be masquerading as metal sheet.  To that end, I mix about 40% aluminum paint with 60% gray.  

I usually prefer Floquil for general painting, but I like Testors' flat aluminum for this application.

FWIW

Lance


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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:42:46 -0500
From: Lyle Lamboley <lyle.lamboley@juno.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
Message-ID: <20000216.144247.-260415.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com>



On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:47:39 -0500 (EST) "Bob Pearson"
<bpearson@rapidnet.net> writes:
> Not necessarily Jewish, but other swastikas were on:
> - Hermann Gilly's D.VII at Js.40
> - The headband of the Lafayette Escadrille
> - an RE8
> - Billik's Albatros D.III & D.V at Js.12
> - Escadrille 471 or 551.
> - Two H-B D.Is at Flik 41j
> 
> Undoubtedly there were others as well.
> 
> Bob

And a Dr.1 in the Jasta 11 lineup...I knew about the Lafayette's Sioux
with it in his headband, but an RE8, well, you learn something new every
day here.  
Lyle

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:22:30 -0600
From: Mark Shannon <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Speaking of Dopes
Message-ID: <s8aab25c.018@tnrcc.state.tx.us>

I find that Floquil "Old Silver" from the RR paints line is good for looking like
aluminum dope.  Try toning it down with small amounts of flat white if you
think it looks too metallic.  If you want to replicate any kind of uneven
wear, drybrushing or airbrushing with a mixture of silver and white
works really well. -- I kind of like subtle hints in weathering, rather than
the war weary look some favor (especially WWII modellers)

For CDL, well, you're going to find many variations.  I like using Humbrol,
and I usually start with #76 Linen and #103 Cream as the mixing base
colors.  From there I add differing amounts of #72 Khaki Drill, #159 Khaki
Drab, #92 Iron Grey, and #34 White to give variations.

My basic British/French fresh CDL is 3 parts #76 + 1 part #34.
Slightly aged British/French its more complex, roughly 45 % #76, 40%
#103, 10% #34, and adjust the other three as whim leads.

My basic German CDL is based on  #103/#34 roughly 2:1  -- it gives a
more caramel look to the CDL, effects may also use Humbrol 84, 94, 95,
and 97 (I mean some of the yellow-tans -- Afrika Korps, British 8th Army,
Middlestone, etc. --I'm not sure I have the numbers right.)

CDL should be subtle.   Very small variations in the paint mixture can lead
to very noticable shifts in the color or effect, giving something that looks
like an unpainted cloth.

.Mark.

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:25:32 PST
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Thanks - ship and display case
Message-ID: <20000216212532.17071.qmail@hotmail.com>


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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:27:01 PST
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Thanks - ship and display case
Message-ID: <20000216212701.19102.qmail@hotmail.com>

Whoops, sorry about that.

Thanks to those who helped with information on diaplay cases and the ship 
thing.  I still have no diplay case but at least I havea few ideas now.

Michael
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:14:10 -0500
From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis
Message-ID: <B1D0944B084E3D115AA20005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com>

> Not necessarily Jewish, but other swastikas were on:
> - Hermann Gilly's D.VII at Js.40

There is also that one of the Albatros that has a washed out swastika under
a strong comical half moon smoking a pipe. Two blokes are shaking hands infront 
of the Albatros. It is part of a collage of my desktop image at work.




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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:12:20 -0600
From: THOMAS SOLINSKI <tskio4@home.com>
To: WW-I List <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: [Fwd: Lost aurora]
Message-ID: <38AB20C4.A7FA13B4@home.com>

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The attached is the article I spoke about yesterday
 I found it at http://www.starshipmodeler.com/

Tom S

LOST AURORA MOLDS NOT LOST!
Mark Dean and Aurora-owner family heir, grandson Gennaro "Jerry"
Giammarino, announced at Chiller Con that the molds long thought lost
were never really lost - they have been in the Giammarino family
possession since well before the train wreck". The accident in 1977 has
been the blame for all the missing molds that were destroyed by Aurora
and Monogram. Both companies had incentives to reclaim the material used
in the molds and sometimes destroyed molds that should
not have been. This is the primary reason why Jerry's family safeguarded
a number of molds. A new kit company called "The Lost Aurora Plastic
Company" is being formed, which will release kits Aurora did not release
thirty years ago, as well as
others. Everything will be made in the USA, like Aurora did 30 years
ago, and will be quality model kits with a very affordable price. In
order to do this they are asking us all to spread the word, and provide
questions, suggestions or feedback to the new company at
The_Lost_Aurora_Kits@prodigy.net.




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LOST AURORA MOLDS NOT LOST! 
Mark Dean and Aurora-owner family heir, grandson Gennaro "Jerry" Giammarino,
announced at Chiller Con that the molds long thought lost were never really lost
- they have been in the Giammarino family possession since well before the
"train wreck". The accident in 1977 has been the blame for all the missing molds
that were destroyed by Aurora and Monogram. Both companies had incentives to
reclaim the material used in the molds and sometimes destroyed molds that should
not have been. This is the primary reason why Jerry's family safeguarded a
number of molds.
A new kit company called "The Lost Aurora Plastic Company" is being formed,
which will release kits Aurora did not release thirty years ago, as well as
others. Everything will be made in the USA, like Aurora did 30 years ago, and
will be quality model kits with a very affordable price. In order to do this
they are asking us all to spread the word, and provide questions, suggestions or
feedback to the new company at The_Lost_Aurora_Kits@prodigy.net. (11/1 UPDATE
11/4)


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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:24:31 -0800
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@rapidnet.net>
To: ww1 mailing list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: OTF Seminar info
Message-ID: <200002162322.PAA31384@mail.rapidnet.net>

For those looking for more info on the OTF seminar, go to

http://www.overthefront.com/SiteMill.html/Register_Sem01.html

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:19:52 +0000
From: Pedro e Francisca <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay
Message-ID: <38AB1478.6A58D19C@mail.telepac.pt>



Shane  wrote:.

>
> Yes and no.
>
> Of the five colour *dopes* all except black have aluminium powder filler to
> help protect the fabric.

>
> So - yes, there are two types of paints, but not on the fabric.
>
> And no, I don't believe they used non-aluminised dopes on fabric during the
> period the XIV was in use.

Shane,

Thanks for the explanation. Quite interesting.

>
>
> The machine in the museum was probably restored without using aluminised
> dope though

But there must be some metal powder on the paint. Did you take a squizy (sp) at
the photos? My ford escort  is painted in metalized blue and it looks a lot less
metallic than those colours on the spad... Maybe I'll e-mail the museum, If I
can find an address, and ask about it.

Thanks

>
>
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Thanks for your confidence, Mate ;-).




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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:36:21 +0000
From: Pedro e Francisca <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: WW1 modeling list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: UFAG C1
Message-ID: <38AB3474.F7E40C67@mail.telepac.pt>

Gang,

anybody out there with an idea (or better yet, a photo ;-) of what the
pilot and gunner cockpits on the UFAG C1 would look like?

Michal told me the FMP A-H book (which I still haven't received.....
sigh) does not have any cockpit shots but perhaps someone has any other
reference for the type with the answer to my question...

TIA
Pedro




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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:54:05 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: French finished was Rumpler "Cross" on ebay
Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D0C@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Pedro,

> > The machine in the museum was probably restored without 
> > using aluminised dope though
> 
> But there must be some metal powder on the paint. Did you 
> take a squizy (sp) at
> the photos? My ford escort  is painted in metalized blue and 
> it looks a lot less
> metallic than those colours on the spad..

I couldn't agree more, but the discussion was about the Breguet XIV unless
(once again) I have the bull by entirely the wrong horn.

Shane



















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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:14:12 EST
From: DavidL1217@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: OTF seminar roadtrip
Message-ID: <b3.f587da.25dca564@aol.com>

Sorry, Pete, it was very late.....

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:05:21 -0800
From: Ray Boorman <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: OT Masterpeice Theatre upcoming Sunday 20-Feb
Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000216215847.00a70910@pop.telus.net>

Just saw an ad for this program its even OT, for once;)

Heres the blurb from PBS's site....  Sorry if your not in US of canada.....

"All the King's Men" (2/20) David Jason, Maggie Smith, Bill Nighy and 
Julian Glover star in the true story of the mysterious and tragic fate of 
the Norfolk Regiment, lost at Gallipoli in 1915. The regiment was made up 
of the men who worked on the royal family's Sandringham Estate; their 
disappearance has grown into the stuff of myth.

btw I just switched email clients so if I am putting lots of extra garbage 
on here can someone tell me. I turned what I think is the correct oftion of 
for all the extra stuff.




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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:05:20 -0800
From: Ray Boorman <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Old 1960's OT book info request
Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000216225339.00a69770@pop.telus.net>

I was browsing through some archives and saw a frontcover for the following 
book.
Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War by W. M. Lamberton  publisher Aero 
Pub Inc

I remember seeing this book when I was a kid in the sixties. In fact I 
think there were a few books in the series. Does anyone know whether this 
book is good, bad, really bad etc. Sorry but 10 year old kids which I was 
at the time have oppinions that tend to die a nasty death when you're an 
adult and see what you thought was really kewl.

Ray


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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:28:50 -0600
From: "Bill Bacon" <wbacon@tcac.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Cc: <REwing@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Old 1960's OT book info request
Message-ID: <000501bf7918$a34d6e80$413c32cf@tcac.net>

Ray,

I have all three books: Fighter Aircraft, Marine Aircraft and Bomber
Aircraft.
There are many photographs and a history of each a/c and 1/72 drawings for
each.  Much better drawings of many of the a/c have been done since
publication but in some cases the drawings are the only game in town.  As I
remember,  copies go for wild prices.  I bought mine new at about 10 USD.
If you contact Rick Ewing at REwing@aol.com he will arrange the loan of the
copy I donated to the list library.  As a long time member of the list you
should have no trouble.  Certain guarantees will have to be provided by you
but this to protect the library assets so others can use them.  As I
remember, the loan period is most generous.  Rick wilol provide all details.

Cheers,

Bill B.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Boorman <Ray_Boorman@telus.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 1:09 AM
Subject: Old 1960's OT book info request


> I was browsing through some archives and saw a frontcover for the
following
> book.
> Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War by W. M. Lamberton  publisher Aero
> Pub Inc
>
> I remember seeing this book when I was a kid in the sixties. In fact I
> think there were a few books in the series. Does anyone know whether this
> book is good, bad, really bad etc. Sorry but 10 year old kids which I was
> at the time have oppinions that tend to die a nasty death when you're an
> adult and see what you thought was really kewl.
>
> Ray
>



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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:20:41 +0100
From: "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: SAML S.2 , Aviatik B.I and B.II
Message-ID: <001301bf795a$8e54c180$320106c0@acasirat>

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I am trying to get pictures or drawings of the cockpit interiors of the =
above named aeroplanes. It seems very difficult to find anything about =
them.=20
My research is aimed at building the nice Joystick vac of the S.2 and =
since that aeroplane was designed by an ex-Aviatik engineer and =
designer, I suppose it is wise to assume he based his work on his =
earlier experiences at Aviatik.
Thanks to all in advance.
Alberto Casirati.

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:57:29 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Old 1960's OT book info request
Message-ID: <s8abc60c.048@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Ray wonders if:

"...Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War by W. M. Lamberton..."

is any good, to which I would respond in the affirmative.  As mentioned, the three-views have been largely supplanted by superior efforts, but the brief histories and pictures are nice to own, if one can obtain the book at a reasonable price.

There are decent capsule summaries, with pictures, of engines, armament, markings, experimental planes, and unusual circumstances, including a couple of pictures I have never seen anywhere else.

I wish I could find the Bomber and Marine editions to complete the set.

FWIW

Lance


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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:46:29 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Old 1960's OT book info request
Message-ID: <000f01bf7966$89df4880$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

My two argie pesos worth:
I completely agree with Lance. I've bought this book about a month ago and
is a good book and even when the drawings were superseded it's money well
spent. I have this and the Fokker Company book, written by a gentleman named
Hegener. The most valuable part of "Fighter..." are those engine, cockpit
and "odd airplane" sections. The marine is getting quite expensive, as I
heard, but they appear here and there from time to time.
D.


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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:09:06 -0600
From: Robert Horton <artybob@netexpress.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Swabians D VII.
Message-ID: <38AC2B32.9AAAC290@netexpress.net>

Folks. Since I am relatively new to the group, this subject may have
been thrashed previosly...apologies if it has...In the regard to colors
of the J 65 D VII's note that Swabians and U10 are only about 5 or 6
Werke Numbers apart and went to J 65..no wonder the colors are similar.
More importantly though..note issue 4, Volume 6 of OTF, pages 365 thru
367 and examine the details of the 7 Swabians dress. The men on the
right side of the fuselage are not in the same order as shown on the
left, and indeed many have swapped some items of clothing with each
other. I did this plane and hand made the decals about 6 - 7 years ago
and it was a fit and a half to figure what the colors may have been and
who wore what?  One other brief point...if you have not read the three
or four page story of the "Seven Swabians" in Grimms Fairy Tales, I
invite you to do so, it is hilarious and I wonder from time to time what
J 65's CO thought about one of his pilots applying images of the story
to the side of one of the aircraft?  An insult or poking good natured
fun?  Cheers folks...Horton


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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:14:27 GMT
From: "Peter Leonard" <peter_leonard@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: Old 1960's OT book info request
Message-ID: <20000217171427.77926.qmail@hotmail.com>

And here's my 2d worth. I have the three books mentioned, plus the other OT 
works in the series on Sopwiths, Fokker, and MvR. Have most of the drawings 
been superceded? Yes. Would I be without my copy of any of them? No. A bad 
drawing is preferable to no drawing at all, it can be corrected, and some of 
them are still the only game in town.

Peter L
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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:25:42 -0600
From: Robert Horton <artybob@netexpress.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Aero Publishers-Lambertonsjer
Message-ID: <38AC2F16.AF60FCD0@netexpress.net>

Sorry. barely got the Swabians off my back and read the
mail...especially about the Aero Publsihers..to put my two bits worth
in...they published at least 6 titles in the "60's...three were
"Fighters"..."Marine and Naval" and "Bombers". Others were on "Aircraft
Camoflage" up into the 60"s,  "Air Aces of the 1914-1918 War" and one on
the Red Baron and there possibly were others. There is a paper back
version of "Fighters" which is still available around and about...the
other two aircraft series go for about $100.00 and may or may not really
be worth it...to me they are. Hope that helps...Horton


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