WWI Digest 2145 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Voss & the Nazis by a1b73869@telus.net 2) RE: Voss & the Nazis by Shane Weier 3) Re: Voss & the Nazis by Lyle Lamboley 4) Re: Voss & the Nazis by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: Voss & the Nazis by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) OTF seminar roadtrip by "Bob Pearson" 7) W色情图库索引 by "sexlove" 8) Re: Display cases by THOMAS SOLINSKI 9) Aurora Molds and the train wreck by THOMAS SOLINSKI 10) Re: OTF seminar roadtrip by "Bill Bacon" 11) Re: Aurora Molds and the train wreck by "Bill Bacon" 12) Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis by Fernando Lamas 13) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis by "David C. Fletcher" 14) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 15) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis by Lyle Lamboley 16) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis by Fernando Lamas 17) Re: OTF seminar roadtrip by DavidL1217@aol.com 18) Nieuport Ni. 17 questions by "Alberto Casirati" 19) More dopes by "D Charles" 20) Re: Aurora Molds and the train wreck by "Peter Leonard" 21) Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny by skarver@banet.net 22) Re: OTF by "Lance Krieg" 23) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis by Sharon Henderson 24) Ships of WW1 by "Michael Kendix" 25) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis by Sharon Henderson 26) Re: Ships of WW1 by Mark Shannon 27) Re: Re: Aurora Molds and the train wreck by GRBroman@aol.com 28) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis by Fernando Lamas 29) FMP Air Aces book on sale by Zulis@aol.com 30) Re: OTF seminar roadtrip by fedders 31) Re: Aurora Molds and the train wreck by "DAVID BURKE" 32) Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:45:44 PST From: a1b73869@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <38a9c908.46c2.0@telus.net> I knew Voss wasnt Jewish, in fact its been discussed here about every 6 months or so ;) However was Josef Jacobs Jewish? I am at work now, but either I am imagining it or with Jacobs there was a bit more to the story as well, he was staunchly anti Fashist (sp). Or am I having a pre lunch food denial halucination?? Ray >In a message dated 00-02-15 16:05:52 EST, you write: > ><< The question of Voss being Jewish comes > up every year or so on the list. Voss was not Jewish but Lutheran. I have > a copy of his sevice record which lists his religion. I guess I am on a > crusade to straigvhten out the record. >> > >You and Peter Kilduff. When reading the archives, at least twice I came >across PK's comments on this matter, and his rather strong feelings about the >entire topic. It is amazing how stories like that can just hang on.... > >DZ > > ================================================================= Internet service provided by telus.net http://www.telus.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:58:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <65C968E11318D311B0BD0060B06865CDBD1D04@mimhexch.mim.com.au> Matt > Though I do not know that much about Judaism in Germany I > have read that some > secular Jews were integrated into German society at the time > of W.W.I, and that > probably some Jewish converts could indeed be practicing > Lutherans which later > made no difference to the Nazi. That may be so, but Peter Killduf made a pretty strong case that it wasn't so with Voss - that the whole story is in fact a load of cobblers> I imagine it's probably a case of mistaken identity which has become "received wisdom" by virtue of endless repetition and circular quotation - something not unknown in this field. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Help Desk. E-Mail: helpdesk@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:40:12 -0500 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <20000215.174013.-288243.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:51:15 -0500 (EST) a1b73869@telus.net writes: > I knew Voss wasnt Jewish, in fact its been discussed here about every > 6 months > or so ;) However was Josef Jacobs Jewish? I am at work now, but > either I am > imagining it or with Jacobs there was a bit more to the story as > well, he was > staunchly anti Fashist (sp). Or am I having a pre lunch food denial > halucination?? Ray, Josef Jacobs was not on the active Luftwaffe list, but he was commissioned a Major in the reserves. This is surprising, considering he was no friend of the Nazis. If he were Jewish then he would never have been considered in any way for any military service, in spite of his abilities. Willy Rosenstein was an example of this. Being banned from flying he decided to emigrate after the situation deteriorated, but was denied a visa time and time again until the supposed intervention of Hermann Goering. Perhaps it was their association in Jasta 27 that got Rosenstein some doors opened to him. Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:00:43 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <72.18a56aa.25db349b@aol.com> In a message dated 2/15/100 3:13:04 PM EST, mzivich@svsu.edu writes: << The chapter went on to mention that another well-known German-Jewish pilot however did have his record purged from Nazi records. This other pilot was not mentioned and since I was just browsing I didn't find out who he was. Anybody know? >> You might read the piece that accompanies my Fokker Triplane in the site. I believe that would have been Ltn. d. R. Hermann Becker. He's the great-grand-uncle of a friend of mine. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:16:22 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: There is a good piece about how Christensen saved Jacobs during WW2, in the article that accompanies my W.29 over at the site. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:30:40 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: OTF seminar roadtrip Message-ID: <200002152328.PAA19237@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, I've been talking with my pilot for this trip and so far it looks like we will be leaving Toronto on the 8th of April headed for Columbus . .. . .. Nashville. . ... Montgomery and then Pensacola.. . is anyone on this route who would like to get together with Dave Zulis and myself for an afternoon .. evening .. join the caravan? . This schedule leaves one day up for grabs if anyone has any other ideas.. actually all of these are just basic ideas. The intention is to be in Pensacola on Wednesday the 12th. .. is anyone planning on being there before that. The return trip should see us heading along a more coastal route still to be determined. regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:09:45 +0800 From: "sexlove" To: a@mail.fsptt.ln.cn Subject: W色情图库索引 Message-ID: <200002152319.HAA07747@mail.fsptt.ln.cn> http://www.blondecity.com/wangsibo/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:12:50 -0600 From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Display cases Message-ID: <38A9EB81.CF908E24@home.com> Try IMEX models through Phoenix hobbies at http://www.phoenix-model.com/Default.htm They make small ones designed for cars and another sized to fit most 1/48 fighters. Tom S Michael Kendix wrote: > I need to buy a display case for my models. Does anyone know of sources for > these? > > Michael > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:19:42 -0600 From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: WW-I List Subject: Aurora Molds and the train wreck Message-ID: <38A9ED1E.6F706125@home.com> I was surfing a Sci Fi site at lunch. (MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA MAXIMA CULPA) but an interesting tidbit turned up. The site said the legal heir to the Aurora bussiness still has ALL of the dies that the company owns! The ones in the swampy train wreck were the spares. They also state that he intends to revive Aurora starting with all of the kits that were scheduled for '78. Man if he has the WW-I line I know a few collectors that may shoot themselves. Sorry but I forgot to bookmark the site, I'll check my history tomorrow Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:36:43 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: OTF seminar roadtrip Message-ID: <001501bf7815$e62cb840$413c32cf@tcac.net> Bob, Great news. Pat and I plan Wed Arrival and Ricki will try. Bill C. and Mike, what are your plans. I look forward the a greaqt list meeting Wed night. See you there. Cheers, Bill B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: OTF seminar roadtrip > Greetings all, > > I've been talking with my pilot for this trip and so far it looks like we > will be leaving Toronto on the 8th of April headed for Columbus . .. . .. > Nashville. . ... Montgomery and then Pensacola.. . is anyone on this route > who would like to get together with Dave Zulis and myself for an afternoon > . evening .. join the caravan? . This schedule leaves one day up for grabs > if anyone has any other ideas.. actually all of these are just basic ideas. > > The intention is to be in Pensacola on Wednesday the 12th. .. is anyone > planning on being there before that. > > The return trip should see us heading along a more coastal route still to be > determined. > > regards, > Bob Pearson > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:39:40 -0600 From: "Bill Bacon" To: Subject: Re: Aurora Molds and the train wreck Message-ID: <001f01bf7816$50255220$413c32cf@tcac.net> Maybe they deserve to. Cheers, Bill B. ----- Original Message ----- From: THOMAS SOLINSKI To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: Aurora Molds and the train wreck > I was surfing a Sci Fi site at lunch. (MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA MAXIMA > CULPA) but an interesting tidbit turned up. The site said the legal > heir to the Aurora bussiness still has ALL of the dies that the company > owns! The ones in the swampy train wreck were the spares. They also > state that he intends to revive Aurora starting with all of the kits > that were scheduled for '78. Man if he has the WW-I line I know a few > collectors that may shoot themselves. > > Sorry but I forgot to bookmark the site, I'll check my history tomorrow > > Tom S > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:03:33 -0800 From: Fernando Lamas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000215200333.0096d100@olympus.net> Here is one German book on eBay that might answer some questions: Jewish Flyers of the World War. It may be of interest to those who read German. Where is "jastaelf"? Who was the German Jewish flieger with the swastika emblem? It is ironic that his aircraft graced the cover of this 1924 book. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260932501 Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:26:30 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <38AA26F6.8AB0B128@mars.ark.com> Fernando Lamas wrote: "Where is "jastaelf"?" That's Jasta 11 the way it is pronounced in German. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:40:03 -0800 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <200002160439.UAA26850@smtpout.telus.net> For my million dollars that would be Vzfw Beckhardt of Kest 5 On 15 Feb 00, at 23:22, Fernando Lamas wrote: > > > > Who was the German Jewish flieger with the swastika emblem? It is > ironic that his aircraft graced the cover of this 1924 book. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260932501 > > Fernando Lamas > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:39:34 -0500 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <20000215.233935.-246007.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:22:23 -0500 (EST) Fernando Lamas writes: > Who was the German Jewish flieger with the swastika emblem? It > is > ironic that his aircraft graced the cover of this 1924 book. That is Fritz Beckhard of Kesta 5...that photo is in the SSW D.III/D.IV Datafile and is also one of the Eduard color schemes in their SSW kit. Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:32:17 -0800 From: Fernando Lamas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000215203217.007fb100@olympus.net> At 11:31 PM 2/15/00 -0500, you wrote: >Fernando Lamas wrote: > >"Where is "jastaelf"?" > >That's Jasta 11 the way it is pronounced in German. > >Dave Fletcher True. But it is also the eBay "nom de guerre" of one of our German speaking List members. (Female-type) Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:43:27 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OTF seminar roadtrip Message-ID: <9b.18a6dd2.25db92ff@aol.com> Pete Fedars & I will be flying down. I will get in late Wed and Pete around noon on Thur. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:51:08 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Nieuport Ni. 17 questions Message-ID: <000f01bf7852$9647c300$320106c0@acasirat> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF785A.F742C080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Paul, just a few lines, as Matt and Mike are certainly more knowledgeable than = me on this topic. I believe the front fuselage inspection panels were of wood, like the = rest of the forward fuselage covering and like the rear top decking. The drum on the port side of the fuselage is accurate: it is shown in = one of the contemporary pictures in my modest collection. The smudging of the forward panels is more probably due to castor oil = from the engine than to the dope being worn off. Looking forward to seeing your model completed ! All the best, Alberto Casirati. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF785A.F742C080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Paul,
just a few lines, as Matt and Mike are certainly = more=20 knowledgeable than me on this topic.
I believe the front fuselage inspection panels were = of wood,=20 like the rest of the forward fuselage covering and like the rear top=20 decking.
The drum on the port side of the fuselage is = accurate: it is=20 shown in one of the contemporary pictures in my modest = collection.
The smudging of the forward panels is more probably = due to=20 castor oil from the engine than to the dope being worn off.
Looking forward to seeing your model completed = !
All the best,
Alberto Casirati.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF785A.F742C080-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:44:51 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: More dopes Message-ID: <001801bf7862$bcbe9d00$397408d2@charles> Shane says: >Of the five colour *dopes* all except black have aluminium powder filler to >help protect the fabric. Black doesn't need it, since it gives better >protection than the other colours do even *with* the aluminium. > >These *dopes* are shrinking acetates used only on the fabric surfaces. > >There are also fatty paints (ie, IIRC they use linseed oil and/or some form >of turpentine base) used on metal surfaces where you *can't* used shrinking >dope - because the dope will shrink on drying and peel off. These paints did >*not* contain the aluminium, because it wasn't needed. > >So - yes, there are two types of paints, but not on the fabric. >Shane > >(most of the above is my failing memory of Proj. Butterfly -if wrong, RATS I reckon you're correct. The fabric would be sealed with coloured dope. And the metal coated with paint. The paint and dope are two different substances and often result in different surface sheens. Tautening dope with aluminium paste well mixed in (for ultra violet protection) is still used for the first coats of cotton fabric. Non-tautening dope with al paste is used for some of the modern synthetic fabrics. David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:20:25 GMT From: "Peter Leonard" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aurora Molds and the train wreck Message-ID: <20000216112025.21545.qmail@hotmail.com> I don't say the train wreck story is an urban myth, but I heared a more beleivable tale. It's simply that when Monogram got the molds some of them were is such a poor state they were fit only for scrap. FWIW Peter L ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:37:46 -0500 From: skarver@banet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Avro 504 and Curtiss Jenny Message-ID: <38AA9A19.61AF9620@banet.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote about his diorama: >>The [snip] bovine deposits are all scratch built.<< Shouldn't that read 'scratch-flopped'? Very imaginative work. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:55:54 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: OTF Message-ID: Speaking of OTF, whatever became of the fourth issue in 1999? Did I miss it, or is it late? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:11:55 -0500 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: Hi y'all, jastaelf's bin hier! :-) The deutsches Flieger with the hakenkreuz was Werner Voss. He put it on his plane for the same reason many other flyers did during that era: for good luck, not political association. :-) There's an exhibit in the Smithsonian Air & Space museum, here in the Greater Washington D.C. Co-Prosperity Sphere, that features folks involved in the early days of aviation. There's a photo and a standup full-size of aviatrix Harriet Quimby -- who wore a little gold swastika around her neck as a good luck charm when she flew. Some clueless manky git has scratched the emblem off time and again, because he/she/it/they are unaware of the pre-NSDAP symbolism. The hakenkreuz was a good luck symbol way back in time, to the Hindu peoples, and (utterly separately generated, due to lack of contact between the peoples) to the Anasazi indians. Sometimes it is depicted with a slight difference in direction: take the standard image and reverse it. The Nazis used both, and the Hindi/Anasazi used both. It was called a sun cross; in Medieval heraldry, where it also occurs for luck purposes, it was known as a Fylfot (there's another name for it, a "cross something", but I'm at work and my books are at home. :-) Alas, when it comes to this emblem, Hitler won. :-( Now it is indelibly associated with Nazism, and probably always will be. Thanks for calling this book to my attention; it will make me feel better (should I get it) that someone got to the German Naval planes book and the RFC/RAF rigging guide before I did. :-( I thought it might be a list member, so I didn't bid.... Anyway, all that blather aside (sorry, can't resist a sermon! ), Voss had a black swastika and a flowery wreath of some sort on his Jasta 2 mount. If someone would like to preach a sermon on the text of the flowery wreath (Wreathes, Chapter 2, vss. 13-27?) please feel free to mount the pulpit. :-) Cheers, Rev. Sharon >Here is one German book on eBay that might answer some questions: >Jewish Flyers of the World War. It may be of interest to those who read >German. Where is "jastaelf"? > > Who was the German Jewish flieger with the swastika emblem? It is >ironic that his aircraft graced the cover of this 1924 book. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260932501 > > Fernando Lamas > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:39:32 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ships of WW1 Message-ID: <20000216153932.28146.qmail@hotmail.com> At last night's DC chapter of IPMS meeting, Ken LaSala of KPL Systems told me that ICM would be releasing its WW1 ships in April 2000. One of these is the "Konig". I assume this is not te "Konigsberg" that saw action in the East African theatre? BTW, for those interested in the African theatre, I recommend Byron Farwell's "The Great War in Africa". Chapter 18, describing Spicer-Simpson's eccentricities is most amusing. Michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:38:28 -0500 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: >That is Fritz Beckhard of Kesta 5...that photo is in the SSW D.III/D.IV >Datafile and is also one of the Eduard color schemes in their SSW kit. >Lyle Aww shoot, should've looked at eBay before I began my sermon.... :-) Those who have bet on Beckhard are right as far as I can see. sorry about that! BUT, Voss really DID have a swastika on his plane. :-) Gonna go back and look at some more profiles, as part of my theological reading for the day.... :-) Cheers, Sharon AKA JastaElf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:54:58 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ships of WW1 Message-ID: No, this is the Dreadnought Battleship Kaiser -- lead ship of a class of four (five?). Served at Jutland, and was one of the most damaged of the battleship line, though not all that roughly handled compared with the battlecruisers. I believe that there is a resin kit of the Konigsberg available or announced, however, Check the White Ensign Models website, which I am lacking the URL for at the moment (at work, don't ya know.) .Mark. Michael Kendix Wrote: >At last night's DC chapter of IPMS meeting, Ken LaSala of KPL Systems >told me that ICM would be releasing its WW1 ships in April 2000. One of >these is the "Konig". I assume this is not te "Konigsberg" that saw >action in the East African theatre? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:07:35 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Aurora Molds and the train wreck Message-ID: In a message dated 2/16/70, 5:24:42 AM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: <> FWIW, both are correct. FSM published a book on the History of Aurora. It's well written, well researched and has lots of pictures for us linguistically challenged folks. The train wreck is true, a few molds were damaged. Many more wher in bad shape and discarded. It appears that a number are still serviceable, but other required molds are missing. I believe that we saw this when Glencoe re-released one of the kits and had to make a new mold for some of the pieces. Can't remember which one off the top of my head. I've also heard, both from RM reps and from AMT/ERTL, that they aren't really sure what they have on the shelves. Of course, I would bravely volunteer to led an expedition to find out. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:04:45 -0800 From: Fernando Lamas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000216080445.00a275a0@olympus.net> At 10:41 AM 2/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi y'all, > >jastaelf's bin hier! :-) >........ >Thanks for calling this book to my attention; it will make me feel >better (should I get it) ....... >Cheers, >Rev. Sharon > If you do get the book, jastaelf, please let us know if this 1924 Jewish writer considered Voss Jewish. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:46:05 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: FMP Air Aces book on sale Message-ID: <42.1c0f6ea.25dc2e4d@aol.com> Greetings! I just received my catalogue from "The Scholar's Bookshelf" in the mail today and found the FMP book, "Air Aces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, 1914-1918" on sale for $29.95. If I am not mistaken, this book came out a few years ago with a price of about $70, then recently settled around $49. Cant imagine that it will ever be available for less than $29.95, and it is an excellent quality book. If interested, they can be reached on-line at www.scholarsbookshelf.com I have ordered form these guys before and was very pleased with their service. Not affiliated with them in any other way, etc.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:54:45 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OTF seminar roadtrip Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 DavidL1217@aol.com wrote: > Pete Fedars & I will be flying down. I will get in late Wed and Pete around > noon on Thur. > David has butchered my name! Peter Fedders ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:11:20 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Aurora Molds and the train wreck Message-ID: <001001bf78a0$dc9f6f80$1495aec7@dora9sprynet.com> Ditto. DB -----Original Message----- From: Bill Bacon To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Aurora Molds and the train wreck >Maybe they deserve to. > >Cheers, > >Bill B. >----- Original Message ----- >From: THOMAS SOLINSKI >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:27 PM >Subject: Aurora Molds and the train wreck > > >> I was surfing a Sci Fi site at lunch. (MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA MAXIMA >> CULPA) but an interesting tidbit turned up. The site said the legal >> heir to the Aurora bussiness still has ALL of the dies that the company >> owns! The ones in the swampy train wreck were the spares. They also >> state that he intends to revive Aurora starting with all of the kits >> that were scheduled for '78. Man if he has the WW-I line I know a few >> collectors that may shoot themselves. >> >> Sorry but I forgot to bookmark the site, I'll check my history tomorrow >> >> Tom S >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:18:18 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis Message-ID: <004d01bf78a1$d3782f40$1495aec7@dora9sprynet.com> I noticed this thread. Vzfw. Fritz Beckhardt flew a dark green SSW D.III with big white swastikas on it. And yes, he apparently was a Jew. Voss' swastikas were just like Beckhardt's: they were good-luck symbols. I'm building Beckhardt's plane now. Nice paint sceme. DB -----Original Message----- From: Fernando Lamas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Jewish Flieger with swastika emblem/Was: Voss & the Nazis >At 10:41 AM 2/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi y'all, >> >>jastaelf's bin hier! :-) >>........ >>Thanks for calling this book to my attention; it will make me feel >>better (should I get it) ....... >>Cheers, >>Rev. Sharon >> > > If you do get the book, jastaelf, please let us know if this 1924 >Jewish writer considered Voss Jewish. > > Fernando Lamas > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2145 **********************